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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on October 07, 2002, 12:36:21 PM
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http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Partridge100302/partridge100302.html
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Hmm...I gave up after about three lines or so...
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So Jesus would selectively quote scripture in a troll? :confused:
-Sikboy
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and take a baseball bat and dish out frontier justice upon the neighbor's dog for mauling his cherished Toyota 4Runner. :mad:
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Originally posted by gofaster
and take a baseball bat and dish out frontier justice upon the neighbor's dog for mauling his cherished Toyota 4Runner. :mad:
LOL...
You forgot... hand-made baseball bat. :)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
So Jesus would selectively quote scripture in a troll? :confused:
-Sikboy
ROTFLOL! Thanks for todays chuckle! :)
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Originally posted by Sikboy
So Jesus would selectively quote scripture in a troll? :confused:
-Sikboy
I'm just not hitting it square lately... When I purposely troll I can't get a hit... when I throw out an interesting perspective, I'm "trolling". :)
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delete this garbage post and get down to some serious revenge on the evil bandwith stealers.
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Originally posted by vorticon
delete this garbage post and get down to some serious revenge on the evil bandwith stealers.
That would require a 34-inch Easton aluminum bat with rubberized grip. :mad:
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Forgotten by the author, or simply unknown, was his claim of always checking WWJD was one of the main reasons I voted against a seminary dropout named Gore.
As far as the war goes I'm pretty strongly against it, but the democratic party isn't showing much of an alternative as it lines up as fast as possible to sign on. Was sorry to see Dick Armey roll over today.
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The difference between a troll and an interesting topic is just 1/8"...
Wait a minute, thats the difference between a homerun and a foul ball.
nevermind.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The difference between a troll and an interesting topic is just 1/8"...
Wait a minute, thats the difference between a homerun and a foul ball.
nevermind.
and both involve a baseball bat at some point.
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He seems like a no strike your never out kinda fella to me but then I dont think they ever had baseball back then. Hayzeus dont play baseball but the Jews and the hookers did play rock tossing though, an ancient form of baseball still prevailent in some parts of the world.
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Jesus Alou!
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Even better!
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Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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Come on, you can quote parts of the bible to fit anything you want. Don't like homosexuals? Bible says kill'em! Your brother die? Sorry, bible says you have to have sex with his wife.
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"Nobody f**ks with the Jesus"
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Jesus said "beware the liberals , for they will twist truth into lies and lies into truth"
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From the Catholic priest "sweaty and excited" series...
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Heh, cool link.
As to all you who critizise sandman for posting it:
People are equally horrified at hearing the Christian religion doubted, and at seeing it practiced.—Samuel Butler
A fundamentalist is someone who hates sin more than he loves virtue.—John H. Schaar.
:D :D
And sure, you can take quotes from the bible and use it - it's what preachers do. They just go on and on about their own interpretations of it later on.
The bible is actually very good for argument. if you cannot find a verse to support your argument in the new testament, go to the old one and you'll have the opposite view :).
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There's nothing like a quote (or scripture) taken out of context:
Let he who has no sword, go and sell his garment, and buy one.
Regards, Shuckins
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"Let it be known that Atheists will be the first to attack religion on any given BBS for thy has lack of self confidence, and so it is told"
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LOL, that's great. Anyone who posts anything or discusses anything that is religious in context and says anything that is less than flattering lacks self confidence. And what's the reasoning behind that? :D
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
LOL, that's great. Anyone who posts anything or discusses anything that is religious in context and says anything that is less than flattering lacks self confidence. And what's the reasoning behind that? :D
SOB
Same lack of self confidence that a Bible thumper has thats ringing your doorbell.
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SOB: And what's the reasoning behind that?
You are expecting reasoning from a religious person (the author of the quote) on religious matters? I think you should be demoted from an atheist to a plain unbeliever for such ignorance. :)
miko
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Miko, define "Religious person". Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with.
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Heh rip, I don't attack religion, nor am I insecure about something I don't have :).
If you see the bible as an amusing book, you got my perspective on things - and one does not attack amusing books.
But contradictions are amusing :).
post may seem like blasphemy. Then again, one has to remember that for the non theist, blasphemy is a victimless crime.
So do not take offence chaps, coz none is intended :)
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Jesus said "beware the liberals , for they will twist truth into lies and lies into truth"
lol! Jesus was a liberal, and a radical one too, given the times he lived in.
And he died for it. It was the conservative in his society that did him in!
(BTW, I'm not actually a Christian, but I believe he did exist and his teachings are valid in some cases. There is no Christian god.)
Ripsnort - and it's no surprise you trot out that 'You atheists must be all insecure for criticizing my religion' crap. You'll be rolling out the 'You'll all be praying to my god, on your death-beds' toejame soon. Which is euqally insulting/patronizing.
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I believe in evolution
to many proof for that
adam and eva ??
lol must have been incest!!
and yes earth dies about some milion years (when our sun burns out)
and of life ?
i guess not where not the only one in the universe
paradise ?
It's here on earth and u have to make it urself
hell ?
that's to be found on earth to
spirit
yeah i might believe that
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Miko, define "Religious person". Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with.
I am not sure what does background info have to do with it. You posted a quote - whether true of fictitious - that reflects the common line of reasoning by some religious persons.
Neither SOB's nor my posts refer personally to you but to supposed religious author of the words.
Upon a thorough reading, I see the problem - SOB is asking you and I do say "You are asking a religious person" in my post, so it implies you. You are correct - a better wording would be "You are expecting a reasoning from a religious person...". That would clearly distinguish between you as a party to the discussion and an author of an opinion questioned by SOB and explained by me without attributing it to you.
Will edit my post for clarity.
miko
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Religion is nothing more than mankind's attempt to find meaning in life that extends beyond our few years of indvidual existence. Many have speculated over the centuries as to why so many feel that need.
If you're content and satisfied with only the 70 odd years you may have here then I'm happy for you. However, I'm not. Especially when I consider how vast physical space may be. No proof here but I suspect that from our perspective the Universe may be as infinitely small as it is large. Kinda makes me feel insignificant. I need to believe that my existence doesn't end when I die. Suspect many of you doubters may feel the same way when your time nears.
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Anyone else notice Rip is trying to sound like Confucious?
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These words of Christ are good in theory, bad in practice. Subsitue the word cherish for the word love. That is the original Greek, so I am told.
I can cherish others, until they do me harm. Then I will remove them from the oxygen consumption cycle.
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Midnight Target,
Yes, I've noticed. The question is "Is he succeeding?"
Regards, Shuckins ;)
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According to Ripsnortus - "Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with."
I don't know. Kinda leans more toward Charlie Chan actually.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I need to believe that my existence doesn't end when I die. Suspect many of you doubters may feel the same way when your time nears.
Probably those of us should engage in consumption of substances that are harmfull to brain - impure alcohol, sniffing solvents etc. That way we would not depend on accident of genetics causing our reasoning abilities to diminish with age.
With reasoning abilities impaired the self-delusion would reign supreme and ensure the last few years are happier because of newly-acquired religious beliefs.
Unless those years become living hell of fear - if some kind of scary vengefull deity worship gets inflicted on victims (that will also cause them to send their retirement money to some scoundrel promising salvation).
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
Probably those of us should engage in consumption of substances that are harmfull to brain - impure alcohol, sniffing solvents etc. That way we would not depend on accident of genetics causing our reasoning abilities to diminish with age.
With reasoning abilities impaired the self-delusion would reign supreme and ensure the last few years are happier because of newly-acquired religious beliefs.
Unless those years become living hell of fear - if some kind of scary vengefull deity worship gets inflicted on victims (that will also cause them to send their retirement money to some scoundrel promising salvation).
miko
Somehow it seems that you are saying your reasoning ability prevents you from believing in that with which you have no experience. Is that a correct assumption on my part?
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BTW, I'm not actually a Christian, but I believe he did exist and his teachings are valid in some cases.
The question isn't if he existed or not. Jesus did exsist. And he was crucified. That is recorded history. The question is, if you believe he was the son of God or not.
There are lots of things in science that don't appear to hold up in the Bible (mostly the creation and old testament) but the old testament, I believe, was oral tradition for thousands of years before it was written down. The new testament (the story of Jesus and the birth of Christianity) is much much better recorded in history. The first of the gospels was only a few decades after his death.
Anyway, back to the old testament. There is an incredible amount of interpretation from different translations and lots of symbolic meaning that shouldn't be taken literally. I find the old testament very hard to read and understand.
I believe that the Bible and science can live in harmony. No where does it state that humans did not evolve, or that there isn't life outside of the Earth, etc..
The generally accepted big bang theory sounds a whole lot like the story of creation. Scientists believe that before the universe there was nothing. Null. Then, in an instant, BAM something came into being. Even in this gigantic explosion there was no light. Then, BAM!, light!
There is no Christian god.
I'm interested in hearing what god you think there is.
Anyone who doesn't believe, try reading a gospel. Not to make you a believer, but at least to see what all the fuss is about. The first gospel recorded, Mark, is the shortest, and has a rough literal style, but it's written by someone who has seen first hand the enormity of what happened.
Jesus was a great person, without equal then and now. Whether you believe he was Christ or not is totally up to you.
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Ok but who made god and who made him and so on.
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vort no like aluminum none vort like maple bats
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Originally posted by AKIron
Somehow it seems that you are saying your reasoning ability prevents you from believing in that with which you have no experience. Is that a correct assumption on my part?
I am not sure what you mean by term "experience" in that particular question.
If it refers to specific knowlege of religion - it's tenets, texts, rituals and close association with religious people, including multiple presence during rituals - then I do have it and quite a lot with at least three religions (greek-ortodox, catholicism and judaism) and fairly familiar with several more.
So your question would not be valid and you would have to rephrase it.
If you mean that I have not experienced religious belief - that would be mostly correct. I say "mostly" because in my younger years I did have certain superstitions which in my view qualify as a religious experience.
Let me state my position as clear as I can. I do believe that being religious would potentially make person's (my) life happier - especially if I encounter some devastating experience or my level of anxiety goes up significantly for some reason. I do see some survival disadvantages in being a religious person but they probably do not outweight the advantages imparted by faith.
So if offered a way to acquire faith, I would seriously consider it and at some times during my life I would probably have accepted it readily.
I certainly gave people (and authors) many opportunities to convince me in the validity of their beliefs and so far they have failed. I believe more reasonable natural explanations exist or may exist for the phenomena they claim to explain by divine intervention.
It is not possible for a person to acquire faith in something he/she did not believe in before just by the act of volition, no matter how much he/she appreciates the utility of such acquisition.
Incidentally, I (curently) do not have a slightest issue with comprehension of my mortality. I am pretty happy right now and my life has been so full that I am getting bored with things and even a bit tired.
Some times I catch myself thinking "oh, well, it's only about thirty more years of that stuff and responcibilities and then the welcome oblivion...". Not in any kind of negative meaning but very similar to a thought "I've had a great day but now I am looking forward to going to sleep". Not yet but I keep that in mind.
Oblivion does not scare me. Why should it? It's like a dreamless sleep or unconciousness, only without end.
BTW, somehow most people who are afraid of death (most of them belong to religions with quite pleasant afterlife, which is very illogical of them) are wasting most of this life with time-killing (in)activities and spend the other part worrying about it being too short.
You may be surprised how much people differ that claim to belong to the same religion. Most of those I met just claim to be religious, participate in some rituals and hope for good afterlife but their actions - and mostly inactions - completely contradict their beliefs. Not used to employ reason, they do not even try to reconcile that and get upset when I bring up inconcistencies in their behavior.
I found a huge difference between precious few people who believe in a word of Christ and those who believe in a word of their preacher. Both kinds claim to be christians but they could not be more different.
miko
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What would Ozzy do?
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WWJD? probably slap u around then say something to the effect of "WHAT ARE U THINKING "OH OK LETS BASE OUR LIFE ON 4 LETTERS" handsomehunk":D
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Originally posted by SunKing
What would Ozzy do?
Continue to let the dog crap on the floor, and continue to abuse drugs hidden from wife and children...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Same lack of self confidence that a Bible thumper has thats ringing your doorbell.
Door to door bible thumpers are promoting their religion. So, are you saying that you equate the spoofing of something amusing that happens to be religious in context with promoting atheism?
SOB
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No, as I posted earlier, its a sign of insecurity. What part of that don't you understand? Pay for some college psych courses like I did, don't try to get free schooling from me! :D
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IIRC the Bible actually encourages "witnessing". How does the act of following the tenents of your religion equate to insecurity? I think you need a Nyquil Rip. :)
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Nice dance. You said it showed a lack of self confidence. I asked you why. You said it was for the same reason promoting religion door to door shows a lack of self confidence. From that vague reference, I could only deduct that you found a correlation between promoting religion and promoting atheism (by making jokes about religious topics) and the lack of self confidence that you feel is found in anyone participating in these activities. Now here we are, and still no closer to making any sense of what you said.
What don't I understand? How do you make the leap in logic from someone spoofing on something rediculous (that happens to be religious in context) to that person lacking in self confidence or being insecure?
Although I'm sure you're intimately familiar with the inner workings of the human mind from that PSY101 course you took 20 years ago in college, I don't care for a lesson. You are either making a huge leap in logic or you're generalizing. Either way, you are wrong, and I was just hoping you'd have the balls to admit it.
SOB
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Originally posted by midnight Target
IIRC the Bible actually encourages "witnessing". How does the act of following the tenents of your religion equate to insecurity? I think you need a Nyquil Rip. :)
True... but what does "witnessing" mean?
Does it mean peddling your faith from door to door like a salesman?
Or... does it mean becoming an enviable example?
True believers never bothered me. The ones that are truly faithful without reservation. The ones that can peacefully coexist with others that don't share their faith, content in the knowledge that their faith or lack of it is all part of God's plan.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
True... but what does "witnessing" mean?
Does it mean peddling your faith from door to door like a salesman?
Or... does it mean becoming an enviable example?
True believers never bothered me. The ones that are truly faithful without reservation. The ones that can peacefully coexist with others that don't share their faith, content in the knowledge that their faith or lack of it is all part of God's plan.
We agree completely. I was just pointing out the fallacy of Rips contention. The door to door Christians THINK they are doing the right thing. Has nothing at all to do with insecurity.
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Originally posted by SOB
Nice dance. You said it showed a lack of self confidence. I asked you why. You said it was for the same reason promoting religion door to door shows a lack of self confidence. From that vague reference, I could only deduct that you found a correlation between promoting religion and promoting atheism (by making jokes about religious topics) and the lack of self confidence that you feel is found in anyone participating in these activities. Now here we are, and still no closer to making any sense of what you said.
What don't I understand? How do you make the leap in logic from someone spoofing on something rediculous (that happens to be religious in context) to that person lacking in self confidence or being insecure?
Although I'm sure you're intimately familiar with the inner workings of the human mind from that PSY101 course you took 20 years ago in college, I don't care for a lesson. You are either making a huge leap in logic or you're generalizing. Either way, you are wrong, and I was just hoping you'd have the balls to admit it.
SOB
JEEEEZUS H. CHRIST (fits nicely here don't it?)
Who'd have thunk it? This kinda articulate reply from a FDB?
:)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
True... but what does "witnessing" mean?
Does it mean peddling your faith from door to door like a salesman?
Or... does it mean becoming an enviable example?
I don't know, but if I witness a dog going after my cherished 1998 Toyota 4runner again, I'm gonna mete out justice of biblical proportions! :mad:
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LOL :D
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I must be way off, I was thinking Tarzan
Originally posted by midnight Target
According to Ripsnortus - "Me thinks you open mouth and engage without much background on the person to engage with."
I don't know. Kinda leans more toward Charlie Chan actually.
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Originally posted by Kanth
I must be way off, I was thinking Tarzan
No, no. Its Frankenstein!
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for SOB
(http://www.jesuschristsuperstore.net/JCSimages/figures/lfjesus.jpg)
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Hey all, look who is here!!!!
Buddy Christ!
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LOL Sunking..."He's been resurrected and now he's pissed, watch out for Jesus Part II, The Christinator!"
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Originally posted by milnko
JEEEEZUS H. CHRIST (fits nicely here don't it?)
Who'd have thunk it? This kinda articulate reply from a FDB?
:)
Must've been ghost written. ;)
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Originally posted by Mathman
Hey all, look who is here!!!!
Buddy Christ!
Who's your buddy?! A pic from my desk...
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What Did Jesus Do When Someone Said To Him "Jesus Christ, Are You Some Kind Of Jesus Freak?"
Jesus explained to the man that he wasn't a "freakazoid religious nutcase scumbag," as the man called him, but rather he was a man of peace. A man put on this earth to bring others together in a shared, unified mission of hope and prosperity. And when the man listened to Jesus and then spit on his feet, Jesus blinked and the guy was struck by lightning and turned into a pile of dust.
The moral: Maintain control at all times. And then, if need be, reckless violence is acceptable.
:)
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lol, I knew it, Jesus is everybodys friend. Especially in times of need like when your car is under a collapsed bridge or when your in the middle of the ocean and you see a shark fin or when that 18 wheeler is 10 yards away or when that 7.62 mm round is 50 meters out and you see its tracer or if you have HOT date and its not your hair day or ...
:D
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What Did Jesus Do When Someone Said To Him "Jesus Christ, Are You Some Kind Of Jesus Freak?"
Jesus explained to the man that he wasn't a "freakazoid religious nutcase scumbag," as the man called him, but rather he was a man of peace. A man put on this earth to bring others together in a shared, unified mission of hope and prosperity. And when the man listened to Jesus and then spit on his feet, Jesus blinked and the guy was struck by lightning and turned into a pile of dust.
The moral: Maintain control at all times. And then, if need be, reckless violence is acceptable.
:)
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I don't wonder what Commander Adomma would do.
Launch all Vipers is what he'd do.
:)
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Originally posted by NUKE
I don't wonder what Commander Adomma would do.
Launch all Vipers is what he'd do.
:eek: OMG:eek: I have found my new personal moral compas! Thanks Nuke!
-Sikboy
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Originally posted by SunKing
What would Ozzy do?
Snort a line of anthrax.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
True... but what does "witnessing" mean?
Does it mean peddling your faith from door to door like a salesman?
Or... does it mean becoming an enviable example?
True believers never bothered me. The ones that are truly faithful without reservation. The ones that can peacefully coexist with others that don't share their faith, content in the knowledge that their faith or lack of it is all part of God's plan.
Best way to expalin it is straight from the Bible--
Matthew 28
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Luke 24
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
and on a note that befits this thread--
2 Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
And here is another passage. You ask the question WWJD?
Revelation 19
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
I love Jesus.
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Everything I needed to know about religion I learned from Jack Chick (http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp) Spacemoose (http://www.spacemoose.com/archive.htm).
WARNING! neither site is for the faint hearted or tight assed :)
Charon
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Jesus? thats SOOO 1400AD
Now its all abou Cthulhu baby!
http://www.cthulhu.org
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All religous beliefs require a leep of faith, since the Diety is not talking to you. Or maybe he is and that is why one is on psychotropic drugs.
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AKIron wrote:
I need to believe that my existence doesn't end when I die. Suspect many of you doubters may feel the same way when your time nears
Bingo. You'd be right, in many cases.
On the other hand, this is one VERY good reason to being skeptical. We want it so bad we'll accept something with little evidence, with close to no logic.
I'd love for there to be a heaven, for there to be something after life. Very much. But, I am a skeptic, and I am a realist. I understand that my desires for it may skew my reasoning (as desire has before). And I cannot (unfortunately) live believing in somethi9ng I consider highly unlikely or unproved.
The reason that you want something is also one of the better reasons for why you should question it.
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Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Even twice!
Heh and someone wrote that the gospels are truth because they were written "only a few hundred years after the incidents took place".
Yay. Let's wait 200 years and see what they think about, say, a Rebel insurgent in Guatemala :).
Oh here's a funny thought: would the Bible be considered an 'idiot card' as in the post about US soldiers response to the press?
Here we are, the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, out to get the shovel under the righteous, but then they pull out the Big Answers book?
Ok, that was a below the belt. Ammo: forgive me, for I know not what I am doing :).
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What would Jesus do is irelevent...Hes not here you are.. Jesus was god and so are you and I. Or Goddess if you prefer. Anyway we are all made out of the same stuff, as everything else that is, or will ever be in the universe. We are the universe, the universe is god, we are god. We are not sheep that need to be led.
We are NOT children that should believe everything the church tells us to with blind faith. We should investigate everything and come to our own conclusions, we are god.
We were never kicked out of the Garden we still live there if we would open our eyes and see it.
Don't assume because someone doesn't believe in The Christian Faith that they are Atheist.
What would Jesus do if he was here today? He'd be a Pagan!!
Blessed Be and Never Thirst:)
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Originally posted by Mathman
Hey all, look who is here!!!!
Buddy Christ!
(http://www.selinadesire.com/ww8/IMAG0000.JPG)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
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Wow!! jesus has a hot chick:}
Christians are just jews gone bad:}
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damn
for both buddy christ and wonderwoman....
anyone everplay YDKJ? (you don't know jack)
Had commercials in it... funny stuff. like "wwsd" what would satan do.. was quite often better than "wwjd"
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.33333... would smite them with fire and brimstone,
.33333... would kill their first born sons, and
.33333... would forgive them.
Result, .666666... majority for violent action.