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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whels on October 07, 2002, 01:13:25 PM
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HT,
can or will u reduce the damage done to u when u hit a friendly?
today i was trying to clear friendles 6, as i was shooting the enemy plane, they both turned. i hit enemy with about 40 hit flashes, 1 ping went to the friendly and i lost , tail, both wings.
i lose all that to 1 50cal friendly ping on a undamged plane, yet enemy plane took 40 hit flashes and kept going? thats bullcrap.
id rather see my ammo zeroed out or no damage done, compaired to the mega damage multiplied as it is.
whels
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Rarely will I get a Killshooter, but I did today!. It would be nice to get an announcement that that's what happened. In clearing another's six I must have pinged them (pretty lucky shot!).
Before I knew what was happening, the plane was on fire with no wings. I know pony's are fragile, but 50 cals don't do that much damage. Killshooter with no effect would be best, but reducing the damage to 'normal' would be an improvement.
I don't remember killshooter being this 'harsh'. Could this be a server issue?
Malta
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With actual system defending buffs is almost as dangerous as attacking them:
Enemy tracking a friendly buff and u tracking the enemy, u fire a concentrated burst and the enemy explodes, but some of your bullets pass through the enemy explosion and hit the buff -> you are dead.
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<--- killed himself in a 262 today, stupid B26 flew in the way of my "soon to be victim" F4F.
30mm BOOOOOM! Down wilbuz Went in flames and screamin and cursing the killshooter system, then cursin his 10 FPS.
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also killed few days ago on a 6 kill run by some idiot flying THROUGH me to shoot a guy id been chasing for 2 minutes.
As i fired at 400 suddenly bang bang pitch upwards as i see a p51 go straight through me.
This is too annoying for words! perhaps it would be a good idea to have some other kind of killshoot damage?
or perhaps it could hit your fuel tank or engine oil? at least then i would have had a chance to land.
with so many dweebs online these days this is becoming an all to common occurance!. You have a decent 1 on 1 then as you work the enemy into a kill position some idiot tries to finish it and generally ignores all around to do it.Blinkin' morons! :D
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i don't like killshooter , but i have never been killed by killshooter, i have had a friendly fly into my fire but all i got was a few "pings" never any damage, so i don't know what you people are talking about "losing wings etc", of course i'm not lobbing 30mm potatos at them
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How about no killshooter...
but anyone shooting DOWN 2 friendly planes in half an hour or landing more than 40 bullets within 20 seconds on a single plane will get ejected and banned from the arena for 24 hours.
This doable?
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Much more easy solutions:
1 - You ping a friendly once and your ammo is halved. You ping a friendly twice or more times and your ammo counters are set to 0.
2 - You ping a friendly two or more times and the server stops processing your hits until you land and are back to the tower.
3 - You ping a friendly two or more times and your guns get jammed for the next five minutes.
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Mandobles number 3 is best.
Tac, think there are too many newbies around to do that, would be nice though.
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hell, It would make more sense for killshooter hits to do LESS damage than normal. The current 10x or so damage multiplier is a horrible punishment for a minor infraction.
If killshot damage was only 25% or something the problem of killshooter would be much reduced, without eliminating it's effectivness.
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I always thought there was just something wrong with MY FE Whels when I would hit a wingy with one ping and go boom. Glad to see others have experienced this, and I would also like to see at the very minimum the damage caused be reduced to the normal damage window (assuming it is set differently with the killshooter).
RASCAL
btw....thanks for the engine sounds on the F4's....very nice sir !!
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Originally posted by Innominate
hell, It would make more sense for killshooter hits to do LESS damage than normal. The current 10x or so damage multiplier is a horrible punishment for a minor infraction.
If killshot damage was only 25% or something the problem of killshooter would be much reduced, without eliminating it's effectivness.
There is no damage multiplier you whiny little girl.
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Originally posted by Fatty
There is no damage multiplier you whiny little girl.
I never noticed my .30 cal class mg's blast a plane in half with only a couple of hits.
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what Fatty said
As I recall it's just that all the damages you have inflicted to your "target" is applied on one single spot on your plane.
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You should participate more when we have killshooter duels in ma. A larger sample size and the rare occasions don't stand out as much.
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All I know is that that damn killshooter is funny stuff. I blew myself to smithereens last night trying to steal a kill from Furious. Of course, the real funny part was that I was in a 262.
Leave the killshooter the way it is. Its the only fun I have in the game anymore (other than listening to the non-stop whine and chat room that is channel 1).
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I hit a Lanc with a Hispano round that missed the La-7 I was blasting off his tail. Didn't hurt my Mossie at all.
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straffo is correct.
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leave kilshooter alone, it the only deterent (a small one) to having guys firing over your shoulder in an endless burst of spray and pray.
You are the one responsible for knowing what you are shooting at. If you hit a friendly its your fault.
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at least I would see a configurable killshooter ...
I see no reason to protect Saw (my wingman) to my hispanos ! it's not fair :p!
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If HTC can have friendly planes fly thru each other but collide with the ememy then they can have nothing happen when you shoot a friendly but still have the kill affect on bogies.
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Killshooter works fine the way it is.........
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Originally posted by Wotan
leave kilshooter alone, it the only deterent (a small one) to having guys firing over your shoulder in an endless burst of spray and pray.
You are the one responsible for knowing what you are shooting at. If you hit a friendly its your fault.
Ks doesnt stop that Wotan. i see it happen all the time.
they way KS is implemented right now is too over the top
damage wise.
whels
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sure it does,
If you think spray and pray is bad now get rid of killshooter. Its the only deterant we have to the 50 hosers.
Damage from killshooter is the same as damage from an enemy. Just when you score multiple hits on a friendly the ks damage is focused on 1 spot on your plane.
We screw around all the time while in formation.
We shot each other with mg and never get damage. If you put a burst into a friendly all that damage will hit 1 spot on yourt plane.
You just have be carefull.
I sprayed lotsa rounds into guys in my squad. I never get 10x damage.
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I put a few rounds from the pintle mg of a pzr into the tracks of a friendly flakpzr next to me one day. On the 3rd or 4th hit I was back in the tower... KS does weird stuff.
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Originally posted by Wotan
sure it does,
If you think spray and pray is bad now get rid of killshooter. Its the only deterant we have to the 50 hosers.
Damage from killshooter is the same as damage from an enemy. Just when you score multiple hits on a friendly the ks damage is focused on 1 spot on your plane.
We screw around all the time while in formation.
We shot each other with mg and never get damage. If you put a burst into a friendly all that damage will hit 1 spot on yourt plane.
You just have be carefull.
I sprayed lotsa rounds into guys in my squad. I never get 10x damage.
in a KS there are 2 people involved and 2 responsible. but as it is right now only 1 is punished, the other 1, just as at fualt , if not
more so, goes on totally unpenalized for his/her action. either
do it to both partied responsible or niether.
whels
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No, every person has total control over whether or not they die from killshooter. Nobody else does.
Should they get stuck in tunnel vision and disregard their ability to prevent it, too bad.
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the only problem i have with killshooter is when someone flies directly into your bullets and you have no chance to stop.
1) straffing a groundtarget
2) some idiot flying through you from behind
3) someone cutting accross your bullet stream from outside your veiw
It works as a deterrent for players shooting over your shoulder
It works as a deterrent for idiots shooting teammates.
surely theres a way to come to a compromise so we dont get punished for the odd freak occourance like 1,2 or 3??
must say i like the loss of ammo thing.that would really piss off the kill stealers or team killers :D
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from Fatty
No, every person has total control over whether or not they die from killshooter.
Absolutely not true. How do I have control over some dkhead who flies thru me or zooms perpendicular to me and my target? The majority of the killshooters come from diving on a target and someone coming from a 90 degree direction OUT OF VIEW or (like what happened to me yesterday) when a plane flies thru me and I shoot his wing and I die. All of you who say the killshooter works fine seem to want to put the blame on the shooter rather then the piloting skills of others. Like in real life the person who should get shot down is the person who flies in front of another engagement. Either get real or can it.
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Been flying for almost 2 years now. Think I've only KS twice the whole time. Once was for dropping eggs on a VH that had a friendly a/c flying over it when the bomb went off.
KS works fine the way it is
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you have control over your trigger. You also can check around before you fire. SA aint just about where the bad guys are.
you only die in ks when you pull the trigger. Either learn better SA or learn to live with dieing in ks.
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Originally posted by Wotan
you only die in ks when you pull the trigger. Either learn better SA or learn to live with dieing in ks.
Precisely. A little fire discipline works wonders.
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Viking it is not possible for someone to get in front of your plane without having at some point been within your range of view.
Because you did not look does not mean they were out of view.
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Originally posted by runny
Precisely. A little fire discipline works wonders.
next time im clearing ur 6, ill hold my fire cause ur in my firing line. oh well enemy kills u cause i had to discipline my fire, so i wouldnt hit u and kill me.
whels
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Originally posted by Fatty
Viking it is not possible for someone to get in front of your plane without having at some point been within your range of view.
Because you did not look does not mean they were out of view.
Not true!
I've lost a 262 once to something which was impossible to avoid, short of ignoring the con.
A P-38 is entering the fight, nobody on him, a couple thousand feet below me. I dive pick up a lot of speed, and pull up on the edge of blacking out.
500 yards
400
300
250
Squeeze off a few rounds.
At precisely this moment, a friendly 109 had zoomed directly in front of me, and was in my front view for about a fifth of a second, as he passed above me.
Naturallly one of those already airborn rounds hits him, and a second later I'm back in the tower.
MURPHY IS A MOTHER******.
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You've got to be kidding. Again, Fatty, Wotan and others, why is it my resposibility to watch my fire and look around a half a second before I pull the trigger? The resposibility lies with the piloting skills of the other pilot to watch out where he flies!
If I can fly thru a friendly then I should be able to shoot thru a friendly. Get consistant HTC!
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You're right, why should you be asked to have a clue what is going on around you when you can blame someone you didn't even see fly thru you (?).
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Originally posted by whels
next time im clearing ur 6, ill hold my fire cause ur in my firing line. oh well enemy kills u cause i had to discipline my fire, so i wouldnt hit u and kill me.
whels
And without KS, you'd be saving me from the enemy and shooting me down yourself in your scenario -- I don't see how I'm any worse off now.
Besides, since the Skulls are no more, I don't see that either of us is obligated to clear the other's 6, especially when the other has allowed an enemy to fly so far up his butt that a clean shot is impossible. The enemy on my butt is my problem, or my wing's.
That said, I've done plenty of 6 clearing, and have never ever killed myself accidentally with killshooter. I suspect it's because I'm firing to scare the enemy off, rather than for the kill per se. This means that I take short bursts at long range; the bullet drop makes it unlikely that fire hitting the enemy will also hit the friendly, and the short burst limits my exposure to KS.
I think I have died to KS twice, maybe, and both times I was fooling around shooting at squad mates -- intentional KS death.
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Haha, ya I'm sure, Fatty, that when your 300ft behind a bogie while he's jinking back and forth and you're using throttle, flaps or whatever to get in position for the kill that you stop and look around to see that no one flies between you or from behind. Please be on my six when you do that. When you go to reaquire me, I will be positioning myself on your 6.
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I'm sure that I do as well, Viking. Because when I don't I am usually shot by an enemy plane.
I'm sure when that happens to you it's because someone didn't give you a check6 call though, not because you didn't look around.
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Fatty,
You poop eater!
Haven't you learned the first rule of Aces High? When you are shot down or die, it is never your fault. It is always one of the following (or a combination)
1) warper/lagger/bad connection
2) cheater/hacker/engine toggler
3) gangbang
4) killshootered b/c some tard flew into your bullets while trying to steal your kill
5) nobody gave you a check 6
6) the person that got you was in a dweeb plane
Man, I would have thought you would have known this by now.
I would say that my respect for you was further diminished by your idiocy, but that would be impossible. I never had respect for you in the first place.
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Originally posted by Fatty
I'm sure that I do as well, Viking. Because when I don't I am usually shot by an enemy plane.
I'm never as scared as I am when there's an enemy in front of me flying straight and level -- I assume I'm being suckered until I know I'm not.
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Sometimes I lament the fact that there are very few woman playing AH.
Then, I read threads like these and realize that I am wrong in the above supposition.
Have a nice day.
F.
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Ya, Fatty, I've given up on six calls except when I'm flying with just my squad. Although the other day I didn't even get one from my squad members. Hmmm, maybe there's a message there. lol
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I agree with Whels. KS is a joke and a bad one. It's only happened to me 3 times. All 3 times was a long me vs 1 other plane fight where I almost had him. In for the kill from 400' and some dweeb comes up from under us. I get to see the nose of the plane coming up and boom I'm in the tower. Fair? NO. Cool? NO. Stupid? YES.
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I think almost half of you are MORONS
I hate you diddlying people
KIL SHOTER IS diddlyING STUPID..PLANE And SIMPLE....
YES If you have soem Ahole coming fromn another countyr and shooitn down friendlies..we need somthing to stop this....
BUT u do nat have control of som guy comn up underneath u and hiting him...
And fatty i guess it sjust your"invisble cockpit" that lets you know where every one is all the time...You are so dam good!!!!
OK ANSWERS THIS everyone who says KS works fine....
IS there a bettr way to administer the KS...?..No-Yes?
Thats it..we can work on details later...
IF you jump in front of som1 guns..its UR ASSSSSS
Plain and diddlying simple..I hate you diddlying people.....
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
P.S. I also think collsions should be on..after 500 feet AGL or above airfiled rnwys.
And screw u .. u spelling BEe Queens
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Your cockpit is not invisible?
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lolol only the floor is...
I still have wings..it suks...
But i have gotn it so i never blak out ,,and pilot wounding..lololo I got 3 extra gallons of blood under my seat..
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Wotan
sure it does,
If you think spray and pray is bad now get rid of killshooter. Its the only deterant we have to the 50 hosers.
Damage from killshooter is the same as damage from an enemy. Just when you score multiple hits on a friendly the ks damage is focused on 1 spot on your plane.
We screw around all the time while in formation.
We shot each other with mg and never get damage. If you put a burst into a friendly all that damage will hit 1 spot on yourt plane.
You just have be carefull.
I sprayed lotsa rounds into guys in my squad. I never get 10x damage.
KS is also what keeps some folks from clearing your 6. A couple stray bullets and the friendly jinking in just the right direction and yer toast seconds before the friendly dies. Been several times I didna fire soon enough to save a countryman because the chance of KS'in myself was too great.
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Good. Maybe that'll teach em to pay attention to their surroundings if killshooter doesn't.
In other words you'd take a shot that might hit a friendly, but you wouldn't take that shot if that damage hit you instead?
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fwiw, i think ks should affect both shooter *and* shootee...
that'll learn all involved!!
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Originally posted by Fatty
Good. Maybe that'll teach em to pay attention to their surroundings if killshooter doesn't.
In other words you'd take a shot that might hit a friendly, but you wouldn't take that shot if that damage hit you instead?
I'd risk a few hits on a friendly if killshooter weren't such a pain in the ass. Guarantee I'd do less damage to him than the bandit tryin to kill him :D
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and...as HT said...if u hit a friendly...no matter where ur spray and pray bullets hit....Tehy cincentrate on 1 spot on your craft...thts why a few 50 cals hitiing your friend ..breks ur wing off.....
so......If KS was off..ya you would damage ur friend..but atleast its not going to kill...or dam near kill u....
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Aim carefully.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
and...as HT said...if u hit a friendly...no matter where ur spray and pray bullets hit....Tehy cincentrate on 1 spot on your craft...thts why a few 50 cals hitiing your friend ..breks ur wing off.....
What about the single-ping kill Whels was mentioning?
Sounds to me like that one ping was enough to knock something off.
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weellll
I would need to see film ...to see if he could really tell it was just "1 ping" and he lost both wings and tail....
YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THIS HAPPENS IN ah...HELL I WACTHED A b-17 LOSe all 3 planes to a single pass by a Spitfirre!!!???? WTF i sthat Bulshit......stupid caps lok
But...what caliber was he firing?? 20 mils??
Yes one ping can hurt you..but is it Very comn in ftrs ...no
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
I will be in the skies in 1 hour....Please look for me...I need targtes:)...