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Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Grimm on October 07, 2002, 05:14:55 PM
As Many of you know,  Midway Scenario is Starting the First Saturday in November.

What a perfect opertunity to put your Art Skills to work making new Skins for the Planes for Midway.

If we can get a set of skins in the next couple weeks,  There is a strong possibility that they would be used.

Im Wondering is there anyone or a couple guys that would like to take on the task????

(since the TBM is both sides, it would have to be a generic)
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 07, 2002, 05:26:09 PM
Grimm, what is the color scheme for allied? I'm working on a 3-color Hellcat right now, circa 1943.

Got any links to good websites for reference?
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Grimm on October 07, 2002, 05:37:52 PM
The Best I can do is The Midway SAC Files from the Scenario AirCraft Changer from AW.

This will have Bmp Skins of the midway set.

It might give some ideas.

Ill try to attach the Zip File,  If it doesnt work,  I can Email it you

(Didnt Work)

Ill attack the Wildcat,  No Hellcats at Midway
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 07, 2002, 06:42:49 PM
No Hellcats at Midway... :eek:  Hollywood LIED!!!

Lol... I'd be happy to work on it.

So which planes exactly are we looking at?
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 07, 2002, 08:31:07 PM
hi Grimm,

u can count on me

correct me if m wrong
As i saw Zeke have only different colour strips/numbers on  tail panitng depends from carrier.
We cannot use couple skins same time, so current is correct imho

Val same story

As i think we cant use diferent skins on TBM for US and JPN forces
And only TBM need reskinig for US
all used planes wes painted right to Midway Scenario.

Custom skin can be add only if each side download map witd 2 different skins array


ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: gatso on October 08, 2002, 08:00:05 AM
Just something that occured to me. Might be a good idea to standardise the colour palet if your going to have lots of people working on aircraft for the same map.

Looking at my Trop G2 and Kweassa's Trop F4 the variation is quite large. Either looks good on it's own but if your going to have a bunch of reskinned aircraft flying round in the same area it would look good to have them all painted the same colours.

Just a thought.

Gatso
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 08, 2002, 08:46:47 AM
We also have some B17's based at Midway and the C47 acting as a PBY.

Thanks all !
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 08, 2002, 11:08:47 AM
Ok i make custom skin for b17 and C47
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 08, 2002, 11:16:28 AM
What is the list? so far I've read...

Wildcat
TBM
C-47
B-17
Val
Zeke

Dauntless?
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 08, 2002, 11:26:57 AM
Yes the SDB.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 08, 2002, 12:00:25 PM
Just did some reading up...

will you be doing the Midway Marauders?
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 08, 2002, 12:16:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dux
Just did some reading up...

will you be doing the Midway Marauders?


Not this time around.

There were not enough there once we Scaled down the total plane set to include them in.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Wotan on October 08, 2002, 12:38:47 PM
US colors

http://www.concentric.net/~Rojo1/camocolors.html

LW

http://www.cty-net.ne.jp/~connellj/german-w.htm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgrlm.htm

I lost the link I had to Japanese colors I will see if I can find it.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 08, 2002, 04:05:46 PM
her u have all
AXIS (http://www.modelarstwo.org.pl/lotnicze/dokumentacja/malowanie/kolory/os_39-45.html)
Allies (http://www.modelarstwo.org.pl/lotnicze/dokumentacja/malowanie/raf/index.html)

If somone have color schema profile from unit's fighting on Midway
any link will be pleased

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 10, 2002, 12:55:19 PM
Bump - Anyone ?
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 10, 2002, 02:51:30 PM
Im still loking for color profile/squadrons marking for PBY, friend promice me send a colour photo of b17 from 19th BG
I hope skin foer goon will be ready friday night. B17 saturday or sunday.
I repainting all lines on aircraf for template . That give possibilyty to easy make other skins for that plane /RAF c47, euro b17/

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 10, 2002, 04:04:19 PM
THANKS !
Title: SBD-5 Skin for Midway (almost) ready...
Post by: Dux on October 10, 2002, 11:23:36 PM
... apart from a couple of minor details, this one is ready. Jordi, e-mail me if it looks like something you'd use. Next on deck is the TBM and Wildcat.
Title: Re: SBD-5 Skin for Midway (almost) ready...
Post by: jordi on October 10, 2002, 11:42:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Dux
... apart from a couple of minor details, this one is ready. Jordi, e-mail me if it looks like something you'd use. Next on deck is the TBM and Wildcat.


I will let sundog look at it to be inserted into the Midway terrain.

THANKS and keep them coming !

Jordi
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Voss on October 11, 2002, 12:28:44 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
US colors

http://www.concentric.net/~Rojo1/camocolors.html


Heh, a lot of mystique about aluminum. Apparently, the author didn't recognize the reflective properties and off color print problems.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Grimm on October 11, 2002, 05:11:32 PM
Nice looking PBY/C47  I got it in your Mail.  I forwarded that mail to Jordi to see.

Between all you Skin Guru guys, We will have some cool planes for Midway :)

Thanks to all that have stuff done, or in the works.

Grimm
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 11, 2002, 09:48:38 PM
im still loking for b17 color schema

now working on VAL skin /green/, finish time saturday if im back from paretnts citty, if not sunday.

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: jordi on October 11, 2002, 11:27:01 PM
skins previes for PBY/goon are ready/

Im not finde any dravings with sure historical markings
And decide to use only standart scheme for USNY.

NO squad markings, no serial number, no tac number.

To not make bigger historical mistakes;)

pictures are here:

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/PBY/goon_PBY.gif)


(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/PBY/goon_PBY1.gif)


(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/PBY/goon_PBY2.gif)

skins:
http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/PBY/C47A2.bmp
http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/PBY/C47A1.bmp

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 12, 2002, 09:42:17 PM
LT Kobayashi Michio's
Aichi D3A1 Type 99 "Val"
Hiryu Kanjo Bakugekikitai



(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/Val1.jpg)

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/Val2.jpg)

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/Val3.jpg)

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/Val4.jpg)




This plane flown by LT Kobayashi Michio, Commander of Hiryu's Bombing Squadron on June 4, 1942. Kobayashi, flying BII-201, along with his gunner, WO Ono Yoshinori, led the first counter attack by Hiryu against Yorktown on the afternoon of June 4. This strike composed of 18 D3A1s, divided into two nine plane Chutai (the rough equivalent of US divisions) and six A6M2 Zeros.

Only one bug /or mby not bug/, elevators top/bottom cannot by paint separatly, so i live all green.

Big for man/woman who make skins for last update, looks much better then early HTC skins

skins:
http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/D3A1.bmp
http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/Val/D3A12.bmp

ramzey

ps. im still loking for b17E midway paint schema, so farr have only one from AW scenario
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 12, 2002, 09:49:17 PM
me, once again;)

if u need more skins, pls finde me colour painting shcema , or pictures/in color/ of aircraft or scale model .
Much more time i spend searching historical data, then rework skins, and my modem burs;)

ramzey
Title: TBM for Midway is ready...
Post by: Dux on October 14, 2002, 01:35:32 AM
As best as I could considering the original mapping. You'd be surprised how much wasted "whitespace" is on this skin.
Title: Re: TBM for Midway is ready...
Post by: Epsilon 5 on October 14, 2002, 02:24:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dux
As best as I could considering the original mapping. You'd be surprised how much wasted "whitespace" is on this skin.


Umm he said the TBM is for both teams. maybe you should remove the logo, since he asked the tbm to be generic.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 14, 2002, 02:37:53 AM
Ummm maybe I will wait and see if they actually use the skins first, then I can easily remove the roundels if they ask me to.

Ramzey, have you started the B-17 yet? If not, would you like me to? I was going to do the Wildcat next, but after looking at it closer, I realized it is already in Midway-era scheme... so one less skin to work on.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 14, 2002, 01:11:09 PM
Dux,
i chk b17 skinning possibilyty and finde colour schema
but HTC make couple errors skining b17, all markings have alpha channel which one cannot be removed from skinning leve.
And som white holes on elevator and wing ruine green camuflage .

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66942

So i think this b17 model cannot be repainted to 1942 army schema.:(

So its end  of list skins, Zeke can be repainted but i dont see reason to do that. Now schema are correct, and we can change only carrier markings on the plane

Jordi, Grimm any other requests?

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on October 14, 2002, 02:00:15 PM
Hey Ramzey, I found a trick for those Alpha-channel markings...

One of the "blue" planes that I exported from the Terrain Editor (don't remember which now) had 2 extra files, in addition to the normal skins; these 2 files were called MARKING.bmp and MARKING_a.bmp. The first file is a skin of a couple styles of blue & white stars, a Russian star, and a Canadian oak leaf. The second file is the alpha for the first, which clips the silhouette of the markings.

Check your Savedtex folder to see if you have these files already. If not, export a bunch of Blue planes and they will show up.

All you have to do is open the Alpha file, and black out the hole for the unwanted marking. When you compile the shape, the old marking becomes invisible. That's how I did the SBD and TBM.

Only drawback is... any planes that are used in this terrain AND use that markings file will have to have their markings painted directly onto the skins. Not a big problem though.

As for the mystery panels on the B-17...? I think having a 95% green B-17 is still better than not having one. I'm planning to work on this plane regardless of Midway, so if I find any solutions, I'll pass them on.
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 14, 2002, 02:51:26 PM
hi
Dux i have suspicion about markings, and now realise how that works:)
But if u do that we must rework all skins whichone use this files;)

by the true for me 95% its still not enough, HTC make to error in 3D model, i see no reason now to change that for 8 planes on scenario, mby somday HTC give  us better b17 v? model.

Lets try to stand on historical markings  far as we can.
Or TE hedquater have other opinion?

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Grimm on October 16, 2002, 03:36:07 PM


Any more coming???
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: ramzey on October 16, 2002, 04:20:27 PM
hmmm what more?

goon , Val, SDB

Zeke, F4F, B26 allready painted good

B17 cannot be repainted, bug in UV mapping

what else?, show what to do , we do that

ramzey
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Yeager on October 18, 2002, 07:33:47 PM
Damn!  You fellas are doing some fantasic work!

Looking forward to it!!!  

VS3
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Sky Viper on November 10, 2002, 09:45:12 PM
Dux,
Are you going to release the skin files?
Please!

Viper
Title: NEEDED - Skins for Midway
Post by: Dux on November 10, 2002, 11:12:36 PM
Sky viper, I only have those two skins so far (Midway SBD and TBM... well, three if you count the reworked CV deck) but I'd be happy to share them. Let me just double-check with the CMs to make sure there are no conflict-of-interest issues.