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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fester' on September 27, 2001, 10:40:00 PM
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its getting bad :)
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I've got the shakes too.
:)
eskimo
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I was at a point last week where I really thought it would be out. Now I am more resigned.
I'm still hopeful when I check each day.
Please, oh please let 1.08 be released soon.
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I have it worst!!! GIMME GIMME NOW
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"Hes dead Jim"
"Bones! What killed him?"
"1.08 syndrome, its been wiping our redshirts all over lately..."
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jim) bones....i .....need ....108.....hurry
bones) damit jim , i'm a docktor not a programer
scotty) she canna go na faster captin, she canna take it
[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: john9001 ]
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spock: Captain, I have calculated that 1.08 will be ready in precisely one million, two hundred and nine thousand, six hundred seconds.
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I'm ok
It's true, I'm ok
I'm O.K.
I'm tellin you, I'm O.K.
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I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed it!
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freaking... I am up at night because of it.. wtf.. :(
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I couldn't care less when 1.08 comes out!!!!!
muuuuhahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha :D
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one word, Con............
Dog out.......
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I can't find anything bad to say about AH. Really.
I don’t find any plane way out of whack although the LA7 gives me fits (no wonder the Russians kicked ass, never heard of the thing till AH) and I think HTC implements most things very well balancing game play and a WWII flight sim extremely well considering.
However, the only question I have is, just what is 1.08 from the players perspective going to provide considering the seemingly huge amount of time it's taking to get released?
New planes? Nope, they seem to add them with great effort but not so much considering their development in the past.
Strat? Could be. Is there besides trains a big game play feature coming?
I know, I read the early reports, but even as a avid player and reader of the BBS, I’m still wondering just what’s in store.
I'll admit I’m not exactly missing my NFL Sundays, and not out on the town Monday Night Football parties waiting for the release, but what in the heck are they working on?
Must be big.
My guess is new terrain. I think Nash eluded to a whole new looking concept that induces a felling of “speed” or something like that. Coupled with a new strat concept, that would be a major rework. But if it’s new aircraft, and just a train route that changes maps and a few supply game play considerations, I must say I don’t get it.
The last update that took awhile changed the ENTIRE FM. What am I missing to anticipate on this one?
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good guess is December 23 :D christmas gift to us haha.
airguard
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I ve also heard it been cancelled,,HTC gonna shut down,cause of the competition from WWII
online :D
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Naw, it will be out before AH Con. Trust me, they want to party too!
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When is the AH con,,,,,in 14 days? ;),,,Ill bet it will be out this weekend,or the next
or the,,,,,,,,,,,,
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However, the only question I have is, just what is 1.08 from the players perspective going to provide considering the seemingly huge amount of time it's taking to get released?
The "2 weeks" responce from the humor challenged crowd prevails, and so I still wonder whats in stored for the AH arena.
Must be pretty big.
If it's going to be a big release, the HTC responce would be appreciated. :)
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FM changes but certainly not an entire one ie flaps and some e retention on several planes?
Strat... we get convoys, and trains...(wonder if they'll have mobile AA with them?)
Several new planes
DirectX8 game ie the game will feature the new sounds and sights of the beta.
Free beer and lewd women from the cover of Maxim for all subscribers.
xBAT
[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: batdog ]
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Sounds...right, forgot about that.
Yup, good reminder. Beta is a preview of progress, and I took it for granted. Damn they rock hard, and the realism crowd digs em too. Thank Gads, I thought that was one thing IL2 did for me in beta, and HTC just had them ready.
Maxium girls? Damn Im slippin, good call.
The FDB get Rocky porn if all goes well… (sorry classified)
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Also a gun-range/dispertion tester.
The Beta version will still be a separate executeable (untill DX8 can be fully supported I heard...)
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<- trying not to get caught up in the hype
i still have this feeling it's not going to be this week. something just doesn't feel right with the force or somethin.
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*Smaks moose upside his head* SNAP OUT OF IT. IT GOING TO BE TODAY!!! :)
actually its 2 WEEKS :D
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Creamo... Rocky Porn? As in Bullwinkel giving it his whittle furry buddy? Thats...well thats sick even for the FDB's :eek:
P.S. You guys scare me... I think I see a trend here...Fatty, Animal and Creamo... its like hitting one of THOSE sites. :p
xBAT
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what Moose said... it's the feeling in the air.... or sumpthin'.
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Well its not going to be DirectX 8 viable,.. they said that they were having troubles getting the features of 8.0 to work.
Idunno, if they are unable to work with the api correctly, or the api doesnt work correctly for them.
I would hope that 8.0 would be able to be used, could possibly get more visuals along the lines of IL2? hmm..
just waiting... 2 weeks.. have come and gone.. Hopefully its comming out soon.. (today) :eek:
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The visuals of a game have zero to do with the API that is used. Just wanted to dispell that rumor.
The only thing a newer API brings is exposinig some features in later generations of video cards. Some software can use them, and with some it makes no sense to try to use them. It all depends on what is to be accomplished in the software as to how it should be done.
There are some known bugs in the current version of DX8.0a, not many, most can be worked around, some can't. DX8.1 fixes those bugs, adds more features, and probably will introduce some other bugs.
DX8 really did not add much above DX7. It's main changes were/are centered around the sound system, and the way input is done. Video wise, not much was changed other than the way to init DX, which is now simpler.
Most properly written game software will always do everything it can on its own, using a minimal set of calls in an API to get the graphics displayed. Software that relies heavily on any API to do the work for it is open to comptibility issues when the supplier of the API updates the code.
But, in no way, shape or form does the API affect what you see on the screen. The API only does what it is told to do.
Please do not spread misinformation about topics, it creates more problems for us that support these products. If you want a detailed discussion of how it all works, then start a thread in the Off-Topic forum, and I will be happy to capitulate.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy:
I will be happy to capitulate.
You are going to overthrow the government???
;)
-SW
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I could easily be totally wrong, but...
I get the sense that the reason for 1.08's long delay is trying to get the bugs in the DirectX beta worked out. I don't think it's being held up because they need to finish a cockpit or two or the trains need more work etc.
My question is kinda... Why couldn't they release the new version sans the DirectX features, then add that afterwards as another layer over top? Is everything now integrated and hence must be released together in one package?
I'd be perfectly happy to have all the goodies 1.08 will bring without having the DirectX features... They're nice - no doubt... but flying around in the Mossy will make the wait for any DirectX patch bearable. :)
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Don't forget guys that based on the Dogfighter (http://www.dogfighter.com) interview, Pyro stated that this new version of Aces High is the largest change yet for the sim. Based on how much they are changing, I am surprised they are referring to it as AH 1.08 and not AH 2.0.
Having said that, I can't wait to fly the Mossie! :)
[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: Sundog ]
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Still think that they should use OpenGl as the Api, as its more efficient and time and time over, you get higher smoother frame rates.
HTC did say that they were having issues with getting dx to work for them on some issues awhile back.
I dont know what issues they are having, because for the most part all games now a days have moved over to 8.0 or/and Opengl.
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OpenGL requires more extensions and direct programming of various video cards. It's easier to support a broader range of video cards with DirectX.
-SW
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hmmm it looks lost for tonight , maybe next week ??????????????????
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Opengl has been around FAR LONGER than DX.
OpenGL is a HIGH Quality interface, used for High quality graphics.
It is more diverse and compatible across the board for ALL COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD.
Anything from DEC alphas, Mac's, TO PC's running any thing from Beos, to Linux to Win32.
hehe, ask John Carmack what Graphics API is the best for games. He will shout with ASTOUNDING "OPENGL"
Ask any 3D computer animation artist, Lightwave, maya, softimage etc.. what interface is used for graphics due to its efficiency, quality, and ability to compatible across the Board. ;)
DX is just another Microsoft product.. thats all.
Opengl is an ever evolving open set of ideas shared around the world by professional Hi-End 3D graphics.
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geez guys to weeks!! no i really had the feeling it would be out today but im probably wrong i was getting shivers all day saying 1.08 should be out today..cant wait for that me262!!!
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Yeah, but ask John Carmack how to get to the moon, and he'll show you this:
armadilloaerospace.com (http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/Updates/sep22_01.htm)
(and yeah, it is the same Carmack)
:)
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ROCKY PORN for the FDB's!!
Now; that'll be WORTH the wait.
:D
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Originally posted by highflyer:
Opengl has been around FAR LONGER than DX.
OpenGL is a HIGH Quality interface, used for High quality graphics.
It is more diverse and compatible across the board for ALL COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD.
Anything from DEC alphas, Mac's, TO PC's running any thing from Beos, to Linux to Win32.
hehe, ask John Carmack what Graphics API is the best for games. He will shout with ASTOUNDING "OPENGL"
Ask any 3D computer animation artist, Lightwave, maya, softimage etc.. what interface is used for graphics due to its efficiency, quality, and ability to compatible across the Board. ;)
DX is just another Microsoft product.. thats all.
Opengl is an ever evolving open set of ideas shared around the world by professional Hi-End 3D graphics.
HT, read this! ^
This guy is a genius. I'm sure HT has never thought of the reasons he uses dx. :rolleyes:
He's posted his reasons for doing it the way he's doing it a few times. I trust that he has a clue what he's doing. ;)
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Ok,..I tried to be nice about it, but highflyer,...you have no idea what you are talking about.
Again, the API has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of grahics as they appear on the screen. Zero, nada.
You obviously have not programmed to the either of the API's. Every API has pluses and minuses, period. What John Carmack thinks is irrelevant. Every programmer choses an API based on thier needs, for thier code. Nice and simple.
I have stated this before and you still harp about it. Maybe you know more than you are letting on? Maybe you have written a few million lines of 3D programming and just are too shy to say so? If so, please enlighten me, as I have been working on some stuff for some time now and could use some expert advice on some 3D issues. Oh, I am using DX as the API. Why? Because there is not enough support in OpenGL, for all video cards, to support what I am attempting to do. Note the key phrase, "all video cards". To be sure, all have an OpenGL driver, but not many support the entire API. Of course, in your expert opinion, should I not support cards from those vendors and force anyone that wants to run my software to purchase another video card?
Or, should I continue to use DX, as all video cards support the features I need in DX?
You seem to have such an insight, maybe you can help. Oh, a few of those applications you mentioned also include a list of video cards that must be used with them. For a Windowed app, OpenGL is easier to program to. DX is designed to be a virtually self-contained application. In other words, you cannot use the built-in Windows tools to display a window. If you use DX, you have to write all the code to be able to handle context switching, windows, toolbars, buttons and such, but you must have known that already.
[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: Skuzzy ]
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Originally posted by highflyer:
Opengl has been around FAR LONGER than DX.
OpenGL is a HIGH Quality interface, used for High quality graphics.
It is more diverse and compatible across the board for ALL COMPUTERS IN THE WORLD.
Anything from DEC alphas, Mac's, TO PC's running any thing from Beos, to Linux to Win32.
hehe, ask John Carmack what Graphics API is the best for games. He will shout with ASTOUNDING "OPENGL"
Ask any 3D computer animation artist, Lightwave, maya, softimage etc.. what interface is used for graphics due to its efficiency, quality, and ability to compatible across the Board. ;)
DX is just another Microsoft product.. thats all.
Opengl is an ever evolving open set of ideas shared around the world by professional Hi-End 3D graphics.
...and would totally screw me over. Sorry, I have a Voodoo 3. It has been proven time and time again to me that I cannot get OpenGL to work with my card. DX does. For me, that's case closed.