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Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Modas on October 09, 2002, 04:49:33 PM
I think it would be awfully cool to see the engine exhaust from a/c especially if there could be a difference between when the engine was running on WEP and when not.  Exhaust stack flames would be cool too :D

I also would like to put in another plug for being able to burn up the rifling in the gun barrels if to long of a burst is fired.  I wanna see lead spiraling all over the sky


Just as a question to all you virtual sticks regarding gun time...  

How many out there actually fire in controlled bursts, or just pull the trigger and hold it until hits are achieved?
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: J_A_B on October 09, 2002, 04:51:59 PM
I always fire in relatively short bursts.  

J_A_B
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Modas on October 09, 2002, 04:55:59 PM
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I always fire in relatively short bursts.  

J_A_B



Define short... (if that is possible)...

I find that I shoot bursts of about 1 to 1 1/2 seconds, with minor pauses between bursts.  I'm curious to see if I'm a little to quick to release the trigger....
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: silentdragon on October 09, 2002, 05:15:02 PM
I try to fire in very short controlled bursts (on the order of .5 ~.75 s).  I guess this is because I fly LA-7 and NIKI a lot, so I don't exactly have an over abundance of ammo to blow.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Karnak on October 09, 2002, 05:46:48 PM
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Originally posted by silentdragon
I try to fire in very short controlled bursts (on the order of .5 ~.75 s).  I guess this is because I fly LA-7 and NIKI a lot, so I don't exactly have an over abundance of ammo to blow.


You're joking, right?

The La-7 has about average ammounts of ammo and the N1K2 is practically made of ammo its got so much.


I fire in short bursts of a quarter second unless I'm shooting at a big target or have a very good shot on a fighter.  If that is the case I'll fire maybe a second and a half of ammo.  If I'm getting hits on a bomber I'll keep firing until it is fatally damaged.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: MANDOBLE on October 09, 2002, 06:25:49 PM
Modas, it depends a lot on the gun type, number of guns, convergence selected, range of the target, etc.

In my case, most of the time firing two or four MG151/20 guns for one or two seconds at very short range. I like the big BOOMs more than the smoke ;)
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Wilbus on October 09, 2002, 06:40:29 PM
Karnak beat me to it.

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 I guess this is because I fly LA-7 and NIKI a lot, so I don't exactly have an over abundance of ammo to blow.


ALmost made me fall of my chair.

I fire controlled, short burst, I make alot of delfection shooting, can't afford to just waste the ammo in the air although all 190's carry alot of 20mm.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Kweassa on October 09, 2002, 07:10:13 PM
My gunnery sucks, and I usually fly the 109, too.

 "Short burst" is something like 20 rounds of MG and 2 rounds of 30mm at single trigger.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: fffreeze220 on October 10, 2002, 02:58:43 AM
I press the trigger long enough to get the bad boy in my sight down :) :)
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Dowding (Work) on October 10, 2002, 05:17:58 AM
If you think La-7 and Niki have little ammo, you ought to check out the Yak-9U. :p Or for that matter, the -9T.

Short bursts are all I use and nearly always at less than d150. You've got to make sure every round counts in the Yak.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Modas on October 10, 2002, 07:53:04 AM
cool, thanks for the replies guys.  Sounds like I'm not under shooting my bursts at all.  :)

As far as the ammo load on the niki and La7, I wasn't going to touch that one.  Too easy.  :p I need more of a challenge hehehehehhe
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Widewing on October 10, 2002, 08:29:18 AM
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Originally posted by silentdragon
I try to fire in very short controlled bursts (on the order of .5 ~.75 s).  I guess this is because I fly LA-7 and NIKI a lot, so I don't exactly have an over abundance of ammo to blow.


Lol-

That N1K2 carries 800 rounds of 20mm!!! If you think that's a short clip, try the Hurricane IIC with something like 82 rounds per gun!!! Try the Yaks, try the A6M2. Only then will your appreciate the huge ammo loadout in fighters like the N1K2 and CHog, or even the C.205 or Dora.

Tell ya what, fly the SBD with two little MGs and a modest amount of ammo. It will teach you how to kill with minimal ammo expenditure like nothing else can (including the Yaks, which have the advantage of having one cannon). That is if you live long enough! ;)

As to the original question: I learned to shoot in short bursts in the military. Consequently, I do so here except where a huge volume of rounds is required, such as when strafing dangerous targets such as PTs or GVs. In this case, bursts up to 2 seconds in duration are used.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Pongo on October 10, 2002, 10:33:16 AM
I have watched Nikis fire 10 second bursts at me from 800 yards...
I think they have 20 or more seconds of fire..40 seconds if they use one bank at a time.

The la7 has 12-15 seconds fire without any way to extend it. but of course it hits hard
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Ring on October 10, 2002, 05:11:44 PM
FYI

none of these planes have enough ammo to "shoot out the rifeling"

that and the fact thet you have air moveing at 250 to 500mph past the guns cooling them, sorta fixs the problem..
Title: Re: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: DmdMac on October 12, 2002, 05:33:08 PM
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Originally posted by Modas

I also would like to put in another plug for being able to burn up the rifling in the gun barrels if to long of a burst is fired.  I wanna see lead spiraling all over the sky


Just as a question to all you virtual sticks regarding gun time...  

How many out there actually fire in controlled bursts, or just pull the trigger and hold it until hits are achieved?


I have my stick programmed for 1 sec bursts. I'm considering a 1/2-3/4 sec burst on a diff button as well.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Tumor on October 13, 2002, 10:00:01 AM
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Originally posted by silentdragon
I try to fire in very short controlled bursts (on the order of .5 ~.75 s).  I guess this is because I fly LA-7 and NIKI a lot, so I don't exactly have an over abundance of ammo to blow.


Try flying a 202 for awhile, you'll get used to the muslce strain on your trigger finger after awhile.
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: Betown on October 14, 2002, 05:44:38 AM
I fly the spit9 a lot and also the La7. The LA7 is not really that sort of ammo, the spit ain't either. I usualy fire in short 1.5 second bursts usualy. Although on a bad day I will repeat that 1.5 second burst ever 2-5 seconds depending on exactly how crappy I am :)
Title: Engine Exhaust effect
Post by: NOD2000 on October 14, 2002, 12:33:04 PM
well i flyt the 26 so i just put the site on so it will arc and hit em then i just squeeze till there sing breaks off (usually less than 1 sec total) and if they pissed me off then i follow them down and shoot em with manual nose gun.......... i really don't see y ppl would try and use the manual one against HO attacks in AH y not just use the rudder and use the 5x .50cals mounted on the sides and in the front............