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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: NewNuke on December 30, 2001, 08:08:00 AM
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Hello am just testing if it works =).
And I wanted to say a little hi to everybody.
We need some new bombers in here personnaly
I would like a perked B29 (50 perks should be good) with 4 turrets...dreaming about it.
Tell me what you guys want and E-mail me or ICQ me has you want =).Later guys :eek:
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HI NewNuke!.. :D
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I'd like to see the Mosquito bomber variant in the next version. A B24 variant would be a nice addition too.
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I would like the B17 refurbished, that old beta paintjob is wearing thin.
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Give us an A20 instead; far more useful, nonperkable, and ubiquitous throughout the war.
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Award 20 PERK POINTS to Kieran for appliance of the word "ubiquitous"!!
;)
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I wouold like to see all the bombers in AH but their bombs should only damage bomber hangers and GV's.
lazs
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ROFL!
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How about we add some Buffs for other countries before we add more stuff to the US plane set?
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Westy-
40 points to whoever defines it!
Brady-
Agreed, I simply would prefer an A-20 to a B-29 for gameplay reasons.
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I think LW/russian/japanese/italian all deserve a decent bomber before we see ANY US bombers.
Plus B24 liberator did most of the US's work in bombing so that should really be introduced before a b29 or a20
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Well, if Kieran gets 20 points for using it he should lose 10 of them for actually spelling it right!
It is bad enough to use such an underused word when there are perfectly good other words we could all understand and a few of us could spell without resorting to a dictionary....and someone who knew how to use it, but to add to our humiliation by spelling it correctly is way over the top.
Jeeze Kieran, ya coulda just said there were lots of them.
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Hey, it's one of the perks of being a teacher- every communication is an opportunity to expand minds. ;)
BTW, you got 40 points for defining it! :D
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To add German,Japanese,Italian,or Russian bombers would be good for nostalgia.Unlesss they super "ubered" them,thats about all they'd be good for!
Fact is, only the Brits and Yanks had enough foresite to produce effective long range bombers.
The IL-2 should be improved to it's real capabilities,and I feel a couple of night fighters would be nice.The P-38L is unfairly
modeled,as the compression problem was pretty much taken care of in that model.
What we really need is a "Washing Machine Charley",or a Fairey Swordfish :D
Dobe
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Originally posted by Sunchaser:
I would like the B17 refurbished, that old beta paintjob is wearing thin.
I would also like to see this
How about a medium brit bomber (wot was it? a wellington?),
As for russian bombers...all they realy had was il-2 and their version of the c47(li-2), which would be cool to have cos it has guns, weak guns, but guns none the less.
A 'HE-wot ever the hell its name was' for the germans
Italians had bombers??
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i'd like to see the beaufighter very fast for it's time,bomber.torp,night fighter etc
plus co pilot could reload its cannons in flight.or the ju88 with the 20mm cannon cos at the moment it's defensive capabilities are causing some attacking fighters to get their paint jobs scratched.b17 and 38 should have camo paint not that ali baking foil colour they have at the moment.was thinking about the swordfish but maybe not lol.
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SM79 was one of the best torpedo bombers of the war, and it was Italian.
The Ki67 we are getting is one of the best medium bombers of the war.
The Il-4 was rated by some to be the best medium bomber of the war. The Tu-2 was right up there.
The Me410 could be a supreme Jabo ride.
I could go on, but you get the idea. ;)
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Hello Ya'll,
NewNuke,I personally agree with that,but if they add it they'll need to make a P-82 Twin Mustang so the B-29 can be escorted! :D Hey we all have our plane's that we would like to see. I would like to see a couple P-40's (Hawk 81A-2 and P-40E) added to the US plane set! Then add whatever plane's to the other countries,they do need em. Just my few cent's! :p
AH Pilot,
Squirral
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Why perk the b29? it saw plenty of war time.. Are you all just saying that because it would be the most useful buff? If so lightly perk it, nothing drastic. i would love to see this bomber added in, anything with a higher bomb load.
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Kieran, none of those bombers you listed are long range heavy bombers.
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Am0n-
The header says "Need new bombers".
Ki67 has a 2,360 mile range.
Il-4 has a 2,647 mile range.
Why do we have to have a B-29? Sure, give us an uperked B-29, just make sure you unperk the 262 when you do. Both of these planes are in a different league. Remember, in 1.9 we get 4-bomber flights, meaning one pilot upping a B-29 has 80,000 lbs of bombs at his disposal. Coming in at 30K, this is a dead HQ in one pass. That would be just ][ short of a tactical nuke power. Pretty perkable, if you ask me.
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Sorry about the heavy bomber statement Kieran, confused it with another thread i was reading.
I would still hate to see a heavy perking on this AC (light like a CHog to control over use) , it seen plenty of war time. Its not some AC that only 500 were made. If you would want it perked because of its obvious "buffness", these plenty of other AC in the MA that need to apply to that rule..
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Here's what I think of the B-29- it is the very best of the breed from any country. It completely dominates the field from nearly every perspective. If the AH staple of adding several thousand feet of performance to bombers holds true, you would see routine flights of 360mph 35K buffs. Placed in groups of four, you would then have formidable opposition that unperked fighters couldn't catch, and perked fighters wouldn't dare approach.
And really, if you aren't going to perk the best of the breed, what are you going to perk?
On a game balance issue, what would the Axis have to counter? While this is immaterial to MA play to a point, there is the valid point of trying to fairly represent all sides. Give the Axis the He-177 first, then talk B-29.
Still, for my money I would rather see far more useful medium bombers. They are typically fast enough to get in and out and carry sufficient bombloads to get the job done. Witness the Ju88 or B26- both carry bombloads approaching the B17, yet both perform better (aside from high alt). Granted they haven't the defensive fire, but they have much better speed. And the tactical nature of the MA makes using mediums easier and more efficient.
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I agree that it does need to be perked (or did the last post even).
Just not heavy perking, it wont see any air time otherwise and that doesnt do the bomber justice. As i stated previously i think that it should have a very light perking, 8-10 perks.
I fly the b26 quiet often, its better armed than any other bomber in AH IMHO.. yea its lacking a lower turret but it has a humungous ammount of ammo on the 6 gun. If you know how to aviod a belly attack your home free.
I dont know of this HE-117 you speak off, what was its specs? I really could care less of the bombers nationality, i just want one with some fire power beside 2x50's (with barely any ammo) and a bunch of worthless pea shooters.
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<<<On a game balance issue, what would the Axis have to counter?>>>
But this isn't an Axis-vs-Allies game. You can fly anything you want. My hope is to see the most popular and known aircraft flying first, including early war aircraft like the Wildcat and Warhawk. To not put something in because the Axis side isn't even seems kind of odd to me in how Aces High is set up.
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The He-177 is the closest thing to a German heavy put up in WWII. It had two paired Daimeler-Benz engines mounted in two nacelles. It didn't have much range, but it could pull a decent bombload, including guided missles, and sported defensive armament that included cannons.
Steven-
My point isn't to make the MA more real; far from it. My point is this is an international game, and the other countries have stated a desire to be represented. More, I rather relish the prospect of getting to fly unique aircraft never before represented in a game. That isn't to say I wouldn't like to see the things mentioned, only that I have an order of preference in what I want or what I think would be useful. Just my opinion, of course.
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Kieren,
I would love to see an HE111. I would count that as a very well known and popular aircraft from the war. I do see your point, though you are speaking on other countries' behalf, but still I cannot make the argument that making the planeset even between the participating countries is more important than just plain and simply adding the most well-known aircraft. B-24 and B-25 are known the world over, it's a fact, and should be in at some point.
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Originally posted by Am0n:
I dont know of this HE-117 you speak off, what was its specs?
He177 looks good on paper... heavy bomb load, good defensive guns, decent number produced.
However, operationally, it was a piece of garbage.
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The buggs that plagued the He 177, were mostly worked out, and the aircraft saw use in relatavely large numbers aganst Russian targets. Their were a ton of problems with them inatialy but eveunataly these were worked out.
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Brady--
Out of curiosity, have you ever played Fighter Ace?
J_A_B
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I want the stuka (ju87)
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J_A_B, I played FA for a few months about 2 years ago, thean I switched to AH, been playing AH ever since, never looked back.
Why do you ask?
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As I said, just curious. FA players seem somewhat more open minded regarding aircraft additions than former AW/WB's players overall. Specifically your championing of balanced planesets per country reminds me a lot of the FA setup (which by the way I found very interesting).
J_A_B
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I have decided that I would really like the B-29 in AH.
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Well I am a history buff, and a plane, tank,ship,ect buff,I am aslo not exactly ethnocentric about it :), FA realy has nothing to do with it insomuch as I am concerened, howeaver thier modeling of different planes for all the countries was one of the only things I liked about that game.
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i'd like to see the beaufighter very fast for it's time,bomber.torp,night fighter etc
yeah i want a beaufighter, have it in australian markings too