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Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Sachs on October 12, 2002, 12:20:39 AM: How about souping up the JU88? There were a ton of these made in the war and only one version. I would love to have any of the series and no not the earlier models. Late model A series, C series G series any of these would do fine. Soooooooooooooooo? I prefer twin engine planes anyway.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: DingHao2 on October 12, 2002, 07:32:08 AM: He-177 A-5 would still be the best pick, though...but if HT doesn't have any intention of modelling it, then I suppose that we might have to make do with a late-war Ju-88.

But an early war German bomber (Ju-88 A-4) in a mid-late war arena is unacceptable.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: SELECTOR on October 12, 2002, 07:45:11 AM: if we have the HE 177 can we have it bursting into flames every time its flown .. just like in real life:D
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Wilbus on October 12, 2002, 10:53:30 AM: Well, most problems were cured in the A5 selector :)

I want either the HE177 or Ju 188!
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: DingHao2 on October 14, 2002, 05:51:02 PM: the He-177 A-5 fixed 56 (!) potential causes of engine fires.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Imp on October 14, 2002, 06:10:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wilbus
Well, most problems were cured in the A5 selector :)

I want either the HE177 or Ju 188!

You forgot to mention the Do217 :D
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Oosik on October 14, 2002, 10:28:41 PM: With the current set up, Why do you want another dust collecing bomber?
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Soviet on October 14, 2002, 10:40:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Oosik
With the current set up, Why do you want another dust collecing bomber?

precisly, thus ADD THE HE-177 :)
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Imp on October 15, 2002, 06:33:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Oosik
With the current set up, Why do you want another dust collecing bomber?

Wich one is a dust collector?

Ju188 is fast as better defensive guns and same load as Ju88.

The Do217 is about as fast as Ju88 (maybe a bit faster) with much better defensive guns and 4000Kg bombload.

The He177 is capable of 500km/h and has impresive defensive guns with a very good bombload.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: vorticon on October 15, 2002, 01:14:10 PM: hmmm it doesnt matter as long as ht doesnt change the setup to axis vs allies with there planes only...then be afraid be very afraid
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: DingHao2 on October 15, 2002, 01:46:39 PM: axis afraid of allies or vice-versa, vorticon?
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: whgates3 on October 15, 2002, 02:40:24 PM: for an axis heavy, the italians are probably the best choice: Cantieri Z-1007 Alcione or Piaggio P-108. none of the luftwaffe heavy bombers have the combination of production numbers and combat effectiveness that seems to be required for inclusion into the AH plane set except the FW 200 and nobody seems to interested in that bird...although the LW produced some very effective twin engine medium bombers...the Do217 carried 4000 kg (1500 kg externally - even w/out the external load it is almost what a B-17 carried [not including guns]) and the Ju 188 carried an internal load of 3000 kg. of course there is already the arado blitz in AH....
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Sachs on October 15, 2002, 03:58:51 PM: Wh6 I am afraid you are wrong, the Do-217 production was near 2000, the He-177 was well over 1000, the Ju188 was upwards of 700 i believe maybe more just going from my head right now. The P-108 if memory serves me right was a little over 100. They served on all fronts and were used quite extensively they should be added, german planes should be reflected on numbers otherwise we wil only have 109's and 190's then :)
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: vorticon on October 15, 2002, 06:35:16 PM: if you didnt notice al lthe really good bombers and planes (no offence to the luffwabble intended) are on the allied side...allies have more planes to.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: hyena426 on October 15, 2002, 07:31:28 PM: Quote
the italians are probably the best choice
the italians would of just used he111,,but ju188 is cool ,,and the do217 would be cool midwar bomber,,and the he177 would be a great plane
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: whgates3 on October 15, 2002, 11:25:06 PM: Sachs - i wasn't considering anything w/ less than 3 engines as a 'heavy' bomber - for context, i've gotten the idea that twin engine bombers are generally considered 'medium' bombers - the Piaggio P-108 was so similar to the B-17 it would probably be pretty low priority for HTC
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Pooh21 on October 16, 2002, 03:53:19 AM: More Ju-88 versions please!
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Dowding (Work) on October 16, 2002, 05:06:02 AM: Need a Russian bomber first. Tu-2 or Il-4.

A fast twin like he Pe-2 would be a start.

Maybe then the LW could have another bomber.
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Imp on October 16, 2002, 06:18:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Need a Russian bomber first. Tu-2 or Il-4.

A fast twin like he Pe-2 would be a start.

Maybe then the LW could have another bomber.

I agree the Pe2 entered service in 1941 I think so it would be a better choice then the Tu2 wich entered service in 1944 I think.

And the Pe2 is urdy too :)
Title: If we can't have a Heavy German buff...
Post by: Mathman on October 16, 2002, 01:49:16 PM: Where did HTC state that they had no intention of including a heavy bomber for the little goose steppers? I must have missed it.