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Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 12, 2002, 06:39:12 PM: particularly... you percussion types...

My son wants a drum kit for Christmas... I'm not sure if it's something he will be serious about so I'm thinking that I need to keep the investment down for the first time around.

Can I get a good kit for less than $400?

I'm looking at a Ludwig Accent 5 piece set... any recommendations?

Oh... guess I should add... he's 14.

(http://img.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/44/446286.jpg)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 12, 2002, 06:47:47 PM: Oh... should add... I rather like this Pearl set...

(http://img.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/44/448659.jpg)

Comes with muffle heads so I don't have to listen to him. :D
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Animal on October 12, 2002, 06:59:51 PM: Get him a quality yet simple set. The nice thing about drums is that if he doesnt lose his interest, he can keep adding parts later as his skill increases.

Dont get him an expensive huge set, because he might be overwhelmed and that discourages learning. That pearl set you posted seems nice for a beginer.

Oh, and you better get used to the noise, cause he has to practice a lot.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 12, 2002, 07:02:00 PM: Thanx Animal. So... is five-piece about right then?
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Creamo on October 12, 2002, 07:08:55 PM: My Brother-in-Law has a full 80's Neil Peart sized Pearl set to die for. So nice he plays bar gigs on a 5 peice kit he got at a garage sale quite well i might add.

For your sanity I would go for a kit that is electronic trigger, or fully electronic.

edit- 5 peice is more than enough to turn him into Neil
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 12, 2002, 07:19:29 PM: Thanx Creamo... unfortunately, it seems that electronic sets are more even more than the standard types.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Kratzer on October 12, 2002, 08:36:06 PM: Not to mention 2x as gay.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: SirLoin on October 12, 2002, 10:15:25 PM: Hope you are familiar with double-drywalling(taping and mudding),mineral insulation packing,silicon sealing and hanging suspended ceilings...:)

Or else consider a set of Roland V-Drums.I just bought this set used but they come much cheaper and smaller...And they don't make a sound unless you run it through an amp...I find myself practicing at 2 am with headphones.

I'm learning from scratch too and the programable sounds are unbeleivable!
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Manedew on October 12, 2002, 11:05:45 PM: Consider a used set untill he's actaully 'good' at it,

I learned Guitar off tiny POS classical guitar( machine heads barely worked), then bought a nicer 300$ steal string once I knew what I was doing.

Had a good piano myself to learn on, but one freind learned on such a POS you wouldn't belive it... but he plays well today.

Used maybe good way to go if your not sure that he's really into drumming.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: SunKing on October 12, 2002, 11:24:07 PM: Don't forget the double bass kicker! ;)

edit.. Here's my next baby

(http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_02e494d10bf021dad6a23f61e83276a4/i-1.JPG)

Gibson ES-135 !
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Nash on October 12, 2002, 11:52:38 PM: Used is actually not a bad way to go at all...

I'm not sure what the prices are like down there now, but the 2nd to last (acoustic) kit I bought was a set of run-of-the-mill Pearl Exports in Brooklyn, 3 years ago... $700. Keep in mind that the prices you see are usually for the drums only. Hardware/cymbals etc. are extra (pushing my purchase of the above to over a grand).

A used kit will already have all that stuff... though... maybe as a Christmas gift you wanna avoid used stuff... I dunno.

Do NOT get him any goofy drums like in that 2nd picture. I can't picture those sounding good at all... and those cymbals (blech)... Nah, 2 headed full sized drums like that 1st pic is want ya want along with Zildian or Sabian cymbals. Prollem with the set in that 1st pic is that you've got (in addition to the hat) one cymble serving as both crash and ride. You'll want two crashes and a ride. Besides... Ludwig has seen better days... but maybe the price is right.

Look around more and gimme some links/prices and I'll help.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 13, 2002, 01:02:32 AM: Thanx Nash... that second set is displayed with all the mufflers in place...

It actually looks like this:

(http://www.pearldrum.com/drumset_percussion/rt/rtlive.jpg)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Nash on October 13, 2002, 03:23:44 AM: Those mufflers... they shouldn't be considered a selling point... or a factor in your decision. You can buy a pack of them independant of any set. 50-100 bucks.

And they're ok if you kinda know what your doing, but they really hinder playing. Your sticks get absorbed in them, the bounce isn't there, and forget about rolls. Not really something to learn on... just something to keep your chops up when you need to be quiet.

Plus.... lets be realistic. :) Yer kid wants to play drums. He's not going to use these. He wont. So you prolly wanna forget about that and get used to the idea of real live drums in your house. :D

They're trying to sell that kit based on the mufflers and ease of travel. Two things you're not gonna need in a kit at this point.
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 15, 2002, 01:40:26 PM: This looks promising... Pearl Forum FX725C...

(http://images.misupply.com/products/original/Pearl/FORUMred.jpg)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 15, 2002, 02:02:18 PM: Never heard of Titan...

(http://marketplace.amazia.com/nms/secure/images/products_JF57PC_l.jpg)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Nash on October 15, 2002, 02:09:55 PM: Yup - the forum series are entry level Pearls. Perfect for the lad.

(lucky sonuvahsqueak... compared to my starter kit).

Ya gotta add a ride cymble to that, but yeah...
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 15, 2002, 02:41:13 PM: What exactly is the difference between a crash and a ride?
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Sandman on October 15, 2002, 02:42:50 PM: Oh... and found this Peavey set also...

(http://www.peavey.com/images/products/drums/intblack_lg.jpg)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: Nash on October 15, 2002, 06:06:10 PM: Peavey? No.

Try to stay with yer basic Pearl/Tama/Yamaha.

A crash goes "Crraaash" and the ride goes "ding ding ding". For eg., you'll usually hear the ride keeping the rhythm during choruses... and the crash is the cymbal you hear introducing the chorus. "Crraaash ding ding ding ding ding".

That'll be $20. :D
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: DA98 on October 15, 2002, 10:06:22 PM: Ride+Crash (http://www.concienciaccion.org/Ride+Crash.mid)

The first sound is a ride, the second a crash. I hope you have a good soundcard with beautiful MIDI sounds ;)
Title: Question for musicians
Post by: bizket on October 16, 2002, 03:06:19 AM: Get him a used kit, there just as good for learning as a brand new one. My first drumset was an old ludwig that was about 15 years old when I got it. It turns out its very very rare and worth quite a bit of money. I sure wish I held on to it:( Ohhh and bigger is not better, I can get just as much sound out of a 4 piece kit as I can out of 12 piece.