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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fancy on October 12, 2002, 11:16:32 PM
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or uses a ghost account or has a spy of his own on the Rook side. He belongs to no squad (at least not that account) and I have material evidence for all who want it (e-mail me jdohmann@hotmail.com with the heading SPY FILM for a copy of the film). My squadmates and I had a stealth night-time jabo attack in the works that spanned five sectors of water to a rear enemy base that had probably not seen action AT ALL since the map started. None of us broke above radar level the whole flight. None of us broke radio silence outside our squad channel. The mission was not posted. And yet, as we were more than tw sectors out, we spot a dar bar over the target base (The run was from A29 to A21 on the Mindanao map for all who care). The bar vanished soon enough, but not long after TYAA comes along in his Typhoon on the deck goon hunting. We kill him on the first pass, but on the second he nails one of our goons. We end up scrapping the mission pretty much out of pure frustration. We had a goon still up, but too few jabos to do the work and TYAA was constantly reupping to fend off our attack.
I'm sure most of you would wonder why I bring this up at all. After all, there aren't really any rules governing spies and they are pretty much accepted as part of the game. Well, something needs to be done and since WE ARE GIVEN NO MEANS OF DEFENSE AGAINST SPIES, the only thing I can think of is to make their names public. I encourage you to do the same. Try to have material evidence if not 5 or more witnesses. Even then the only thing I could think of to combat a known spy is verbal abuse and that may not be effective. But I'm doing all i can because i know something needs to be done.
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wtg TYAA!
That's one way to stop the l'il milkrunners. My hat's off to ya.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
wtg TYAA!
That's one way to stop the l'il milkrunners. My hat's off to ya.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I hope you're not a Bish or Knight because basically now I'm going to SIT IN SOME TOWER and watch the radar and REPORT BACK TO THE ROOKS the location of all raiding dots. Maybe I'll use channel 1 to report into to Rook HQ just so that everyone knows what I'm doing. Now doesn't that sound like a lot more fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Fancy
I hope you're not a Bish or Knight because basically now I'm going to SIT IN SOME TOWER and watch the radar and REPORT BACK TO THE ROOKS the location of all raiding dots. Maybe I'll use channel 1 to report into to Rook HQ just so that everyone knows what I'm doing. Now doesn't that sound like a lot more fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I fly for all countries and I don't care a bit about milkrunning raids or the great holy war between chess pieces... be my guest. Doing this will have absolutely no impact on my game whatsoever, and may in fact increase the fun level for me substantially if it means fewer porked bases and strat targets.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
As I fly for all countries and I don't care a bit about milkrunning raids or the great holy war between chess pieces... be my guest. Doing this will have absolutely no impact on my game whatsoever, and may in fact increase the fun level for me substantially if it means fewer porked bases and strat targets.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Go back to Golly-geened dueling arena already.
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Now that's funny.
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Originally posted by Fancy
Go back to Golly-geened dueling arena already.
Lol!
DMF, aka Leviathn, is denizen of the MA, and one of the best pilots in this game. When you do run across him in the MA, I assure you that you will regret it at once, and forever thereafter.
Lighten up Fancy, spies are everywhere...... And, the sword cuts all ways.
My regards,
Widewing
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Who levi? A big teddy bear. :D :)
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Originally posted by Fancy
Go back to Golly-geened dueling arena already.
he's afraid he might encounter me there. i keep that cheatin' furballer in the kiddie pool where he belongs!!
DA is for real men!! And no one's more of a manly man than me.
:D
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites.
I roam around the arenas looking for fights.
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites.
I club the seals and smack the dweebs, that's right.
My plane may be a sissy's,
but look at me wrong and I'll put out your lights. (bang)
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites
always on guard defending Channel 1 rights.
(Can can music)
la la la la la la la la la, la la la la la la la la la...
lalalalalalala (repeat).
I'm a man.. a manly man
I'm a man flyin' kites yeah
I roam around the arenas looking for fights.
I'm a man, a man flyin' kites
I club the seals and smack the dweebs, that's right.
My plane may be a sissy's,
but look at me wrong and I'll put out your lights. (bang)
I'm a man... I'm a man flyin' kites (tight kites)
Always on guard defending Channel 1 rights
When you're in a snit just fear the man flyin' kites .
Thank you very much.
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Just Spray and Pray! :D
Velveeta
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
wtg TYAA!
That's one way to stop the l'il milkrunners. My hat's off to ya.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Considering the wealth of knowledge and generally superior intellect you normally exhibit around here.... Thats just a bit on the goof-troop side of things eh?
HiTech, please put a stop to the 500ft MSL radar and bring'er on down again... it's obviously useless.
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You people always crying "SPIES! SPIES!" are dumb. A few nights ago I was called a spy because I found a low goon on the deck headed for one of my fields.
The funny thing was, I was obviously damaged (trailing white smoke) but he insisted I upped only to kill him. He was my 3rd kill that flight, and just happened to be heading to the same field I was retreating to -- bad luck.
I was treated to text like "People like you ruin this game! blah blah blah" for a few minutes but then (quite unexpectantly) he apologized.
If you're worried about spies, you take Aces High too seriously. If you're attacking undefended fields you might have more fun playing offline.
Beeker
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Originally posted by Tumor
Thats just a bit on the goof-troop side of things eh?
Does that mean I have to stop trolling the clueless now? :(
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Does that mean I have to stop trolling the clueless now? :(
-- Todd/Leviathn
yeah... it's sorta like flying a spit5.
:D
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Originally posted by Widewing
DMF, aka Leviathn, is denizen of the MA, and one of the best pilots in this game. When you do run across him in the MA, I assure you that you will regret it at once, and forever thereafter.
Nonesense.
You'll be flying along, might see an icon, then you'll be in the tower.
No time for regrets.
Of course he's a cheating bastage[1], but that's besides the point :D :cool:
[1] Definition of "cheating bastage": noun, used to refer to anyone who shoots me down. Also known as "dweeb".
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Rediculous. Crying that milkruns are somehow taboo but spies are all right is obscene and hipocritical. Many of you may remember. It was last night and bish, I think struck a deep base with a swift capture attack (aka a milkrun). We upped to retaliate and do the same, putting pressure on their rear to maybe draw the pressure away from ours. That's not a milkrun, it's called tactics. And if you poo-poo tactics THEN YOU BELONG IN THE F*CKING DUELING ARENA plain and simple. I'm not complaining about spies per se, I'm just doing what I can to combat them--which is little to say the least. So if spying is okay, since when is calling out a spy bad?
And EvilDingo: there's no other explanation for what happened. He was a spy or is in some way in cahoots with a spy. Do I care? Well, yes, as far as I'm concerned about the success of my country. But, let it be known, I'm going to spy in the future. COMING TO YOUR COUNTRY SOON. Look for me on your countries roster. Maybe I'll do a ".wingman leviathn" and make sure there's a furball waiting wherever he goes.
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Originally posted by Fancy
Maybe I'll do a ".wingman leviathn" and make sure there's a furball waiting wherever he goes.
uhhhhh the best thing you could to do screw up levi, would be to attempt to make the furball he is heading to disappear before he gets there and disappears it himself.
:p
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Originally posted by Fancy
Maybe I'll do a ".wingman leviathn" and make sure there's a furball waiting wherever he goes.
God, I hope so. That would save me a lot of flying time.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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poo poo tactics!
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Originally posted by Fancy
Spying is bad and so is anyone who does it, and if you don't agree with me...I'm going to be a spy.
uh, ok.
SOB
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Fancy, it really sounds to me like you could do with taking a break.... you are taking the game far too seriously! Yes, a certain amount of "spying" may go on, just as "milk-running" or "using tactics" may also go on. Everybody plays this game in whatever way they wish, and if you are getting so worked up about so-called "spying", then you really need to take a step back and look at what you are doing from an outsider's - or potential new player's - point of view. It's plain silly.
Have you stopped to think that maybe..... just maybe TYAA upped when he did simply because he knew that particular run was popular for sneak attacks? After all, you say yourself that you did not discuss the attack outside of your own squad comms, so how could he possibly have known what you were up to? No.... I think he just upped on the off-chance.... no doubt you took the most direct route between the fields and didn't make any effort to go a more devious route? All he would have to do is take a direct route himself and Bingo! He can't believe his luck, but you end up shouting "Spy!"
Then you come on here and start shouting abuse to anyone who dares to question you? This is a game for goodness sake! Most people are playing it to have fun with their friends, and they don't need to have you insulting them in this way. Please calm down and try to enjoy the game like everyone else.
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Originally posted by SOB
uh, ok.
SOB
Try actually quoting[/b] my post for actual[/b] validity.
I'm not complaining about spies per se, I'm just doing what I can to combat them--which is little to say the least. So if spying is okay, since when is calling out a spy bad?
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Do I care? Well, yes, as far as I'm concerned about the success of my country. But, let it be known, I'm going to spy in the future. COMING TO YOUR COUNTRY SOON.
Basically, I called out a spy and said NOTHING[/b] about the propriety of spying (I did whine that if spying was allowed, then we should have a way to combat it), go ahead an QUOTE any one of my posts where I say or imply that spying is somehow wrong...go ahead. This is basically a if-he-shoots-at-me-I'm-shooting-back issue. Until now I have not clearly seen the impact of spies. Well now I have, so there you have it. To combat spies I'm doing two things:
1.) Caliing known spies out.
2.) Becoming a known spy myslef in a sort of protest. This, I believe will help magnify the results of spying and their negative impacts on the game, while also combatting many people's laissez faire attitude towards them.
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Originally posted by Fancy
Becoming a known spy myslef in a sort of protest. This, I believe will help magnify the results of spying and their negative impacts on the game, while also combatting many people's laissez faire attitude towards them.
I don't know that it'll combat people's laissez faire attitude about spies, but it'll sure combat people's feelings that you aren't a complete and utter raving lunatic.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Flossy
Have you stopped to think that maybe..... just maybe TYAA upped when he did simply because he knew that particular run was popular for sneak attacks? After all, you say yourself that you did not discuss the attack outside of your own squad comms, so how could he possibly have known what you were up to?
Well, while your point is valid that I shouldn't get myself too worked up about it. Think about how seriously spies take the game. Defeatists to say the least. And, in my opinion, this sort of obvious spying (check the Mindanao map, A29 to A21, it's a long and uncommon route and his timing was perfect, we were about 1.75 sectors out. There are several different angles WE could have come from, but he dove to the deck and made a b-line straight for us. He was more than a sector away form the base when he encounterd us--how can that be called "defense"? He was also in a Typhoon which could probably not have made it to our mainland from that distance.) detracts from the fun that you speak of. And he could have known in one of many ways. First of all, as far as I can tell, TYAA is a fairly new and seldom used account, yet he was obviously something of a stick. Like I said, this person could have numerous accounts or have a worm on the Rook side to relay suspicious dots over a private channel. Perhaps this TYAA account is used to mask the real identity of the person as it was a sortie of pretty obvious motives.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't know that it'll combat people's laissez faire attitude about spies, but it'll sure combat people's feelings that you aren't a complete and utter raving lunatic.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Thanks for your constructive and helpful comments. I enjoyed reading every one of your posts and look forward to more in the future. It's people like you that should work with children as your bright and open approach to life is like the sun on their skins. Please continue to contribute to the matter at hand! Thanks
-- Fancy
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Originally posted by Fancy
Thanks for your constructive and helpful comments.
The most constructive and helpful comments you can take away from this thead are those that point out to you the fact that you sound like a ranting tard who takes this game way too seriously. Lighten up, Fancy.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Well......
Fancy as long as you don't rant and rave in the text buffer in CAPS I don't see a problem with it..
But I got my eye on you..
nopoop
Online CAP'S Police
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Lighten up, Fancy.
I'm perfectly willing to lighten up and the only thing that really got me hot was your arrogant trolling of my thread. I'm willing to say that I'm taking this a bit too seriously if you're willing to say that you superlative skills as an AH pilot (A GAME) doesn't give you an unfettered right to display your arrogance.
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Originally posted by poopster
Well......
But I got my eye on you..
Online CAP'S Police
Don't worry, I squelch 1 anyway. Abd don't worry, I'm not really that interested in spying as it seems hopelessly BORING. A Rook I will remain. The act itself still does get me a bit agitated.
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Originally posted by Flossy
Then you come on here and start shouting abuse to anyone who dares to question you? This is a game for goodness sake! Most people are playing it to have fun with their friends, and they don't need to have you insulting them in this way. Please calm down and try to enjoy the game like everyone else.
I think insulting someone for spying (once proven) is acceptable. It's probably the closest thing to acceptable cheating there is, and it does happen with a fair amount of frequency..... and it shouldn't.
I wonder what HTC would do if someone did it out in the open regularly? (ie: chn1, all the time, every day). I'm thinking about testing the waters, I fly Bish right now.
Tumor
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't know that it'll combat people's laissez faire attitude about spies.....
-- Todd/Leviathn
Speak for yourself.
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Originally posted by Fancy
(check the Mindanao map, A29 to A21, it's a long and uncommon route
It's a long route, yes, but uncommon? No, I don't think it's as uncommon a route as you would like to believe.... I think it is a very popular route for "sneak attacks" and the first place anyone who is defending will look. He had probably already upped there several times and not found anything.... this time he did.
I appreciate it must have been frustrating..... but it happens! Other times you are lucky and get all the way without any problems..... 6 and 2x3s.
I used to do a similar (but high-alt) run in AW, taking off from a rear field then grabbing alt in a totally different direction before heading towards my target (aircraft factory deep in enemy territory). I did, of course, show on radar, but by the time I crossed into enemy territory I always made sure I was at least 20-25K high, continuing to climb to 32K as I got nearer the target. Sometimes, I would be lucky and manage to drop my bombs, fly back to friendly territory and land - sometimes with no gunner! Other times I would be intercepted.... if I had a gunner on board, fine.... but very often I was alone and we didn't have the ability to self-gun, and I would end up getting shot down. Yes, it was frustrating at the times, especially if I had just spent the best part of an hour getting there. I appreciate its not the same as flying under radar, but if anything I enjoyed it more knowing I could be seen..... :D
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Originally posted by Fancy
I'm perfectly willing to lighten up and the only thing that really got me hot was your arrogant trolling of my thread. I'm willing to say that I'm taking this a bit too seriously if you're willing to say that you superlative skills as an AH pilot (A GAME) doesn't give you an unfettered right to display your arrogance.
I never once brought up my skills in this thread, and it's far from arrogant to point out to you that your complaints about spying are hilariously off-base and make you appear clueless.
The fact is that you are taking the game too seriously when you bring events from the arena out onto the forums for everyone to see. It's possible that TYAA was spying, and it's entirely possible that he wasn't. One thing is abundantly clear, however, and that is that the damage done to your squad and its collective ego doesn't warrant bashing him on the boards.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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A Rook I will remain
Ahhh..
I...eh..
WELL GOOD :)
I must say though your command of the written word is VERY good for being a rook.
Typing, let alone forming complete sentences usually escapes them..
That, and that thing they all have on their neck.. :eek:
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Originally posted by Fancy
None of us broke radio silence outside our squad channel. The mission was not posted.
See.... this is what I don't quite understand..... if you didn't break radio silence outside of your squad channel, and you did not post your mission.... how could he have been spying? Where would he have got his information from? :confused:
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
your complaints about spying are hilariously off-base and make you appear clueless.
Tell me how they're "off base". So far all you have done is criticized from some delusionally vaunted pespective. Back it up and bring some meat to the table. I prepared to dump the ad hominems if you are.
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Originally posted by Flossy
See.... this is what I don't quite understand..... if you didn't break radio silence outside of your squad cahnnel, and you did not post your mission.... how could he have been spying? Where would he have got his information from? :confused:
From "a freind" in another country or a second account... It's happened before Flos.
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Originally posted by Flossy
See.... this is what I don't quite understand..... if you didn't break radio silence outside of your squad cahnnel, and you did not post your mission.... how could he have been spying? Where would he have got his information from? :confused:
Keep in mind that friendly dots are visible to all friendlies regardless of radar presence. So, if this person hadn't switched countries in the last 12 hours, they could've done so after spotting our cluster of dots ib. Or they could have a worm within the ranks of the Rooks who could have used a private vox or text channel to warn this person. There are lots of ways it could be done. Like I said, there's nothing you can do to combat the actual act of spying except maybe calling out the spies who will, hopefully but doubtfully, discontinue their acts out of shame. Again, if someone wants to spy against me and my squad and my country, then I'll retaliate any way I can. Note that I haven't whined that anything should be changed as a result of this, I'm just firing the returning shot. Oh, btw, the mission was on the water AT NIGHT, so spotting our dots would've been difficult. Like I said, we were well outside visual range (about 2 sectors) when we first saw the dar bar and somehow the con managed to find us immediately. Also, don't you think someone upping for base defense would grab alt and circle the base if they didn't know from where or when the attack would come? Why would this person dive to the deck (eliminating their own dar bar) and then leave the base more than a sector behind them?
I'd also like to reiterate that THE MAIN POINT OF THIS THREAD IS: If spying is an accepted practice, then I'll do what I can to counter-spy. That's it.
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Originally posted by Tumor
From "a freind" in another country or a second account... It's happened before Flos.
But if they didn't discuss it, how would the "friend" know? OK, I suppose someone would maybe see them take off and head in that direction.... in which case it must have been obvious from the start that that was where they were headed. This is my point about taking direct routes..... if they had, for instance, upped from a different field, or if that was not possible, at least flown north or south first, then even a casual onlooker would not know where they were going.... :)
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Originally posted by Fancy
Tell me how they're "off base". So far all you have done is criticized from some delusionally vaunted pespective. Back it up and bring some meat to the table. I prepared to dump the ad hominems if you are.
(1) You have no proof that TYAA was spying except your own conjecture.
(2) Even if TYAA was spying, you should have been prepared for the possibility. After all, someone could have wandered across your mission by accident anyway, so why weren't you prepared?
(3) Getting upset that your well-planned milkrun was defeated is understandable; getting angry and baselessly rationalizing it as an act of "spying" is downright silly.
(4) Mindanao is small, and it's very difficult to mount successful NOE missions due to the widely varying terrain and due to the different altitudes of fields. It's very easy to be in a position to spot incoming raids.
(5) Spying probably happens, but it's abundantly clear that it has little overall impact on the game. Milkrunning occurs successfully all the time.
(6) Bringing this issue to a public forum like this with nothing more than conjecture to back you up makes you look clueless.
(7) Threatening to combat spying by spying yourself makes you look silly. Most everyone would just ignore you... or they'd switch sides and hunt you.
This is far from a "delusionally vaunted" perspective. You came here with fists flying and mouth foaming, and then you got defensive when people started pointing out how ridiculous you sound.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Flossy
But if they didn't discuss it, how would the "friend" know? OK, I suppose someone would maybe see them take off and head in that direction.... in which case it must have been obvious from the start that that was where they were headed. This is my point about taking direct routes..... if they had, for instance, upped from a different field, or if that was not possible, at least flown north or south first, then even a casual onlooker would not know where they were going.... :)
I'm sorry but wrong. Remember again that friendly locations are visible to all friendlies. You could take off in one direction, but eventually you'll have to come into some sort of proximity to your destiantion. That being said, it is true that usuing unusual flight paths is a good anti-spy technique, but not foolproof.
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Originally posted by Flossy
But if they didn't discuss it, how would the "friend" know? OK, I suppose someone would maybe see them take off and head in that direction.... in which case it must have been obvious from the start that that was where they were headed. This is my point about taking direct routes..... if they had, for instance, upped from a different field, or if that was not possible, at least flown north or south first, then even a casual onlooker would not know where they were going.... :)
Your own dar isn't limited, by distance or alt.. you can see your own folks anywhere on the map. Then comes the "white" channel with a buddy on the other side. It's very easy to do.
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Originally posted by Fancy
Oh, btw, the mission was on the water AT NIGHT, so spotting our dots would've been difficult. Like I said, we were well outside visual range (about 2 sectors) when we first saw the dar bar and somehow the con managed to find us immediately. Also, don't you think someone upping for base defense would grab alt and circle the base if they didn't know from where or when the attack would come? Why would this person dive to the deck (eliminating their own dar bar) and then leave the base more than a sector behind them?
OK, I accept it could have been somebody spying..... but I suppose I tend to try and see it from both sides, and it could also have just been somebody looking on the offchance that a sneak attack might be on the way. After all, it was night, so they probably had an idea someone might try to sneak across. No, he wasn't just doing base defence.... he was looking for a possible raid - and found one! Could have happened to anybody... :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
(1) You have no proof that TYAA was spying except your own conjecture.
Same goes for your argument
(2) Even if TYAA was spying, you should have been prepared for the possibility. After all, someone could have wandered across your mission by accident anyway, so why weren't you prepared?
True but....
(3) Getting upset that your well-planned milkrun was defeated is understandable; getting angry and baselessly rationalizing it as an act of "spying" is downright silly.
ok... why? You assume Fancy is just a noob who has no idea whats going on or couldn't possibly evaluate a situation for what it's worth and see where the preponderance of evidence points? Not saying he did or didn't, just saying the possibility is open to more than one conclusion, including others than yours.
(4) Mindanao is small, and it's very difficult to mount successful NAP missions due to the widely varying terrain and due to the different altitudes of fields. It's very easy to be in a position to spot incoming raids.
not true, but obviously not open to debate?
(5) Spying probably happens, but it's abundantly clear that it has little overall impact on the game.
does his game
(6) Bringing this issue to a public forum like this with nothing more than conjecture to back you up makes you look clueless.
no comment (see #1)
(7) Threatening to combat spying by spying yourself makes you look silly. Most everyone would just ignore you... or they'd switch sides and hunt you.
Or maybe HTC would take a stand on the issue, doubtful but possible
This is far from a "delusionally vaunted" perspective. You came here with fists flying and mouth foaming, and then you got defensive when people started pointing out how ridiculous you sound.
Wonder why he thinks your arrogant? I think he's got a valid point... guess I'm ridiculous too
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
(1) You have no proof that TYAA was spying except your own conjecture.
I have a film which, I agree does only so much for my case. But the case is pretty clear and until TYAA is prepared to defend himself I'm willing to go on. I did actually send a few private messaged to TYAA after the fact but got no responses.
(2) Even if TYAA was spying, you should have been prepared for the possibility. After all, someone could have wandered across your mission by accident anyway, so why weren't you prepared?
We were as prepared as we could have been. You can reasonably expect retaliation after a base starts flashing. I can say that we were proabably expecting this as it usually happens. The aspect of our "preparedness" is moot, however. If we would've gotten close enough to the base that it was flashing AND THEN got interupted, then you wouldn't be hearing about all this. Like I said, he's pretty clearly engaged in spying/spylike activity, so I'm just trying to defend myself against something that I realistically have no defense.
(3) Getting upset that your well-planned milkrun was defeated is understandable; getting angry and baselessly rationalizing it as an act of "spying" is downright silly.
I've had other "milkruns" foiled in the past and I was as upset as anyone might expect. I admitted our own failures and moved on. There is sufficient base to believe that our failure this time was at least in some way due to spying. Since the propriety of spying is also a moot point, I'm simply calling out the spy. Period.
(4) Mindanao is small, and it's very difficult to mount successful NAP missions due to the widely varying terrain and due to the different altitudes of fields. It's very easy to be in a position to spot incoming raids.
By chance we were on the water at pretty much dead night. Spotting is not an issue as the con upped from the base when we were well outside of visual range.
(5) Spying probably happens, but it's abundantly clear that it has little overall impact on the game. Milkrunning occurs successfully all the time.
Spying does occur. Last night was the first clear case that I experienced. Now, a meager form of counter-spying now occurs. Why is this har for you to accept? If you think I'm wasting my time, why are you wasting even more time debating me?
(6) Bringing this issue to a public forum like this with nothing more than conjecture to back you up makes you look clueless.
This is the same as point 1
(7) Threatening to combat spying by spying yourself makes you look silly. Most everyone would just ignore you... or they'd switch sides and hunt you.
Well, provided I actually do it, it would be a form of protest. And if I did do it, I'd need not even leave the tower. Like I said, it sounds BORING, so I probably won't. So, I'll just make this a more public issue instead. After all, these may be public forums but they are forums devoted to AH.
This is far from a "delusionally vaunted" perspective. You came here with fists flying and mouth foaming, and then you got defensive when people started pointing out how ridiculous you sound.
To date, you're they only one trying to point out how ridiculous I sound. At least Flossy was civil. You played the troll (you even admitted it yourself) from the very start.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
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Originally posted by Flossy
OK, I accept it could have been somebody spying..... but I suppose I tend to try and see it from both sides, and it could also have just been somebody looking on the offchance that a sneak attack might be on the way. After all, it was night, so they probably had an idea someone might try to sneak across. No, he wasn't just doing base defence.... he was looking for a possible raid - and found one! Could have happened to anybody... :)
You are very right Flossy... there are lots of "could haves", he could be right, he could be wrong. The act itself is worth a look. Fancy would most likely have gotten further had he left the accusation out... all in the wording.
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ALRIGHT, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, WAY TO MUCH USLESS "QUOTING" AND TALKING IN CAPS. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS, BUT YOU LEAVE ME NO CHOICE..
Now all of you take a breath, and walk over to the car, put your hands on the hood of the vehicle. You have the right to remain silent...you have the right..
nopoop
The AH board "quote" police
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Originally posted by Flossy
This is a game for goodness sake! Please calm down and try to enjoy the game like everyone else.
The Brits rationing tea again?
sic 'em Flos!! muahahahaha feel the burrrrrrnnnn!!
:p
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Originally posted by poopster
The AH board "quote" police
I thought you were the "CAPS" police...Man, they don't belive in distribution of power at your PD do thry?
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Originally posted by Fancy
Perhaps this TYAA account is used to mask the real identity of the person as it was a sortie of pretty obvious motives.
i admint it!! TYAA is my alter-ego!! I didn't wanna do it!! The guys in the black helicopters said if I didn't they'd send my family back to Iraq and feed eat cream of wheat 3 times a day! even worse, they said they'd deny me visitations with Fluffy!
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Originally posted by Flossy
See.... this is what I don't quite understand..... if you didn't break radio silence outside of your squad channel, and you did not post your mission.... how could he have been spying? Where would he have got his information from? :confused:
ssshhhhh! we have an inside man! don't blow his cover or we'll knife your buff tires and disarm all your bombs!
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Fancy, I'm a man of many hats :D
BTW Shane, bombs don't have arms...:rolleyes:
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nopoop
Member of the armless bomb support group
Visit our web site @ When I trip, I face plant and explode.org
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Originally posted by Shane
i admint it!! TYAA is my alter-ego!! I didn't wanna do it!! The guys in the black helicopters said if I didn't they'd send my family back to Iraq and feed eat cream of wheat 3 times a day! even worse, they said they'd deny me visitations with Fluffy!
I don't get it Shane... always shooting of the ole cake hole without thinkin!... get over it. Why do you have to make fun of this situation? I know, you personally don't care so why comment in the first place... it just doesn't make sense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cream of wheat!
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Originally posted by Tumor
it just doesn't make sense, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cream of wheat!
cream of wheat is people!!
:mad:
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Originally posted by Flossy
But if they didn't discuss it, how would the "friend" know? OK, I suppose someone would maybe see them take off and head in that direction.... in which case it must have been obvious from the start that that was where they were headed. This is my point about taking direct routes..... if they had, for instance, upped from a different field, or if that was not possible, at least flown north or south first, then even a casual onlooker would not know where they were going.... :)
Let's look at this......
We'll use the Mindano 29-21 NOE run
Take off, waste 20minutes flying in whatever direction, turn for target. 20 minutes later, yer halfway to target (if yer lucky) and the love muffin (read: spy) pops up the map, sees your strike package since friendlies are always on radar no matter what alt (didna use to be like that either), and passes the info.
The spy struck again tonight. Get a good plan, get in the air, everyone on the deck forming on the goon so the package is all together (it's all about the timing, ya know). 40 miles from target and here come the AKs using the info the spy passed over. None of this crap about thinking there might be a night time sneak attack otw, it wasn't night time. None of the other flimsy excuses I've seen you post about this trying to defend the love muffin. Usually I respect what you've got to say, but yer giving me the impression that you know this love muffin and not only condone, but encourage, his use of this tactic.
On the other hand, we were prepared for defense once the base started flashing. Kinda silly it starts flashing at 12miles if you're under radar, but that's the parameters of the game and we were prepared for it on our run tonight. But the defenders launching when we're 40miles from the base?? No, that's a spy, plain and simple.
And it's true there's not alot HTC can do about these sorry folks who's lives are so pathetically hopeless. The ones that just pass info on to other countries from thier only account.. no way to stop them. And if they're running 2 accounts, using one to spy, why would HTC wanna cut thier income for someone's idea of fun? Dale and crew are blameless on this one. But it's time to dweebhunt the poor, lonely idiots that have to resort to this kinda stuff to feel important.
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Yep..ironically Leviathn was the spy.;)
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Well, I know from experience that the 29 to 21 sneak attack on the Mindanao map is hard to pull off. All it takes is for one single player to be watching for that, and that's all she wrote...LOL. Maybe someone even went to that base to get away from all the airplane noises so he could talk to someone and be able to hear them, then he saw a bardar in the area and responded. It's too important a base to lose easily, someone will always be there, one way or another.
You probably didn't bring along enough A20s to jabo the FHs and VH, then have fighter cover for possible ups of nme a/c. At least 2 goons would be necessary. I'd say 5 A20s, 1 or 2 Nikis or La-7s, maybe a Chog for good measure, and 2 goons could pull it off. It still would be tough to do.:D
Les
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Hey, mabe the lesson for you and your squad is....be more flexable, it's a game and a WAR game at that, don't get mad, go dot that eye! draw you some blood! KILL KILL KILL!!!!, and if that don't work, go cry to your mama, it'll do ya about as much good as this post has.
Yours truely
JimC :D
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:D
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites.
I roam around the arenas looking for fights.
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites.
I club the seals and smack the dweebs, that's right.
My plane may be a sissy's,
but look at me wrong and I'll put out your lights. (bang)
I'm a man... a man flyin' kites
always on guard defending Channel 1 rights.
(Can can music)
la la la la la la la la la, la la la la la la la la la...
lalalalalalala (repeat).
I'm a man.. a manly man
I'm a man flyin' kites yeah
I roam around the arenas looking for fights.
I'm a man, a man flyin' kites
I club the seals and smack the dweebs, that's right.
My plane may be a sissy's,
but look at me wrong and I'll put out your lights. (bang)
I'm a man... I'm a man flyin' kites (tight kites)
Always on guard defending Channel 1 rights
When you're in a snit just fear the man flyin' kites .
Thank you very much. [/B]
That was totaly gay Shane :eek:
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I agree, spying wans't a big thing in WWII, in fact, I've heard it had no impact whatsoever. I think it should just be deleted from ah.
my 20 cents worth(inflation)
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Just to interject my 2 cents....
i have been online every day since this mission happened.
when somone calls out a "spy" i tend to be suspicous and watch what the "spy" does. sometimes .wingman them and see where they go.
i have seen TYAA on different countries.
i have seen him (TYAA) change countries while being online.
well thats my observations.
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Spies... :rolleyes:
What difference does it make?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Spies... :rolleyes:
What difference does it make?
Time, effort and planning foiled by some dipwit tardling.
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
40 miles from target and here come the AKs using the info the spy passed over. None of this crap about thinking there might be a night time sneak attack otw, it wasn't night time. None of the other flimsy excuses I've seen you post about this trying to defend the love muffin. Usually I respect what you've got to say, but yer giving me the impression that you know this love muffin and not only condone, but encourage, his use of this tactic.
I'm not saying that spying doesn't happen at all, but that it is very difficult to prove! I think a lot is down to pure coincidence.... you say it happened again tonight. Well just imagine this.... at the same time as you are planning your attack on A21, the AKs were planning an attack on A29 or maybe P3. They up at roughly the same time you do and take the same direct route - you're bound to meet up in the middle!
I'm certainly not condoning spying in any way, just trying to point out that there are always two sides to every story. I can't say I have ever heard of TYAA, much less know of any "tactics" he might use. However, as a Bishop, that peninsula is currently held by us, so of course I am going to defend anyone who manages to catch a sneak attack on A21! :D I would hope it would not be by spying, but either checking the route on the off-chance, or by accident when running a similar mission in the other direction - it happens! :)
Anyway, got to dash to work now....
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Please DMF... don't encourage the spies! I am only 25 perk points away from the HTC tropical island vacation reward! If it weren't for that I wouldn't care what happens to the anal strat wussies.
lazs
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Five Star thread!!!
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LOL FANCY! at least you have caveman on your side.
Yeppers... the attack being halfway there before the enemy hears about it provides them plenty of time to up in force, grab alt and intercept them.
Sometimes the idea of those "well planned" missions being predictable is too much for some to bare.
Someday both of you should give this a try: Spy on the other country. Get on the coms and say "an attack is inbound at base....". See what kind of response you get. Hell... people don't defend when there's a solid red bar heading towards a base, yet somehow, one person is managing to coordinate mass country defense.
You guys are acting like you haven't played this game long.
AKDejaVu
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Caps? Quotes? SPIES???
That's it!!!
I QUIT!!!
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Mindano (sp) map is a good map to take a solo NOE hunter out in. Just patrol the ocean in a fast plane NOE along the usual routes, you will run across all sorts of funny stuff. I don't like spying either (anyone that cares enought to have more than one account to a stupid computer game needs help IMHO :) ) but not every plane that finds you is a spy - might be good hunters instead.
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This is very important information u are passing here.
We at HTC will do all posible to eliminate spy game hackers.
We also expect the community to take disiplinairy actions against game spy hackers.
Thank u
HTC
:D
i guess not
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Fancy...
The L33t moral support and cheerleading branch of the AHBB mafia have arrived. Cut your losses and go into hiding!
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Originally posted by Flossy
Well just imagine this.... at the same time as you are planning your attack on A21, the AKs were planning an attack on A29 or maybe P3. They up at roughly the same time you do and take the same direct route - you're bound to meet up in the middle!
Yes, that is always a possibility they're launching thier own sneak attack as we're 40miles out.
They're gonna fly 21 to 29 in La5's, Lame7's, 190s, Spits. Yep.
As much as I've come to dislike most of the AKs as a whole, they do have a better grasp on tactics and strategy than that, and would at least up the right kind of kites for the long trip and attack mission.
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How about eliminate all dots/dar info even for countrymates that are flying below dar.
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Originally posted by BigGun
How about eliminate all dots/dar info even for countrymates that are flying below dar.
Do something that makes sense? Naaaaaa :D
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Has anyone checked out TYAA's stats? Not the stats of a good stick. .... Like I should talk :)
I think he's just a new guy that probably saw a bunch of friendlies heading out over the water on a raid and thought "Cool! Something to do! I'll switch over and have some fun!" and Fancy and his buds were the pigeons.
He probably wasn't even thinking how much of an impact it would have on Fancy. Just playing the game.
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wipe em! poopster....err, I mean book em!
:rolleyes:
gw
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I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet (will do so at home) BUT ...
Has anyone considered that a con was in the vicinty the base from where the NOE attack upped from and simply reported seeing 8 planes + goon NOE heading west?
Just a question :D
He killed me...he must have cheated or be a spy. Waaa waa waa
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Originally posted by Widewing
Lol!
DMF, aka Leviathn, is denizen of the MA, and one of the best pilots in this game. When you do run across him in the MA, I assure you that you will regret it at once, and forever thereafter.
Don't worry Fancy. His name is Taaaaaddd fer cryin out loud! And I hear he has a thing for Mrs. Lupner.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Has anyone considered that a con was in the vicinty the base from where the NOE attack upped from and simply reported seeing 8 planes + goon NOE heading west?
There was only one person there to do the "considering" and his reputation precedes him. Some would rather cry cheat than do pretty much anything else in the world.
AKDejaVu
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Laugh Tha butter Out-Loud... hahahahahahaha
Hey Fancy... Your Todays Winner!!! haha :D
SPIES EXISTED IN REALITY.... DuMboscar.. lol lol lol :-D
They SHOULD and can exist here...
And ... But MOST IMPORTANTLY....
WHO THA butter CARES!??!?!?!!? LOL
Just PLAY the GAME ...... gawd.... .. :p :) :D :eek: :p
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hoo boy. You sure are 2pid.
Anyway, I never said anything about the PROPRIETY of spying. Yep, spying existed IRL, but so did counter-spying. I'm using the only methd of counter-espionage available to me. PERIOD. Please adjust misguided flames.
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Oh, the rest of the internet caught up with how gay and trite smilies are, I suggest you catch up lest you be left behind.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
There was only one person there to do the "considering" and his reputation precedes him. Some would rather cry cheat than do pretty much anything else in the world.
AKDejaVu
Uhmm Hmmm, I'm the whiner extrodinaire. Look at me whine about how stupid and malign you are. WHAAAAAAA OMG, PERK DEJAVU!!!!
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Last night a fellow Knitwit was whining about a spy in our midst because our CV off A42 was attacked and our other CV at the nearby port was left alone.
How could the Rookies find our CV off A42 cried the Knitwit?!?!
There must be a spy in our midst he cried some more!!
He then gets on channel 1 and starts berating this 'spy' with commments of CHEATER! DWEEB! and other sorts of school yard names.
Then I finally told him how the Rookies spotted our CV off A42. I told him when you have a plane appear suddenly somewhere in a sector over water and there aren't any land bases nearby, 9 out of 10 times, where that dot appeared in the sector on radar is the location of the CV.
But that's just common sense and that's something that seems to be lacking in this game for a few.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
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Originally posted by jbroey3
Laugh Tha butter Out-Loud... hahahahahahaha
Hey Fancy... Your Todays Winner!!! haha :D
SPIES EXISTED IN REALITY.... DuMboscar.. lol lol lol :-D
They SHOULD and can exist here...
And ... But MOST IMPORTANTLY....
WHO THA butter CARES!??!?!?!!? LOL
Just PLAY the GAME ...... gawd.... .. :p :) :D :eek: :p
what are you, 12?
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cream of wheat is poepl!!!
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LOL funny thread..... :D
And I'll like to state. I'm not afraid of Levi. and when I do run into him, Which I do alot, I never regret. I'll just up again hoping he is out of ammo the next time I met him or is pilot wounded.. hehe :)
Leviathn, you and me 1 vs 1 in the DA. I garantee ill get you 1 out of 50... :p
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Yup, CavemanJ's spy talk is about me.
I was the person they thought was spying last night. Like I said over channel 1, I rarely play the game anymore ( about 2 hours total the last 2 tours combined) I couldn't give a rats bellybutton about strats or spys. I just like a few flights here and there, and don't need the spy crap, and name calling on channel 1. So, in short, your barking up the wrong tree!!!!
Caveman, sorry to tell you to STFU last night but i'm just so tired of being called a spy and other such choice words while i'm trying to enjoy a few hours a month flying.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
There was only one person there to do the "considering" and his reputation precedes him. Some would rather cry cheat than do pretty much anything else in the world.
AKDejaVu
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I voted this thread for 5 starts :D
LOL
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Originally posted by mosgood
Has anyone checked out TYAA's stats? Not the stats of a good stick. ....
What ya talking about he has over 8 kills per hour - he must be great! :)
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Originally posted by akak
But that's just common sense and that's something that seems to be lacking in this game for a few.
(http://www.hispanicvista.com/assets/479th_shield.jpg)
Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders
Please stop making sense AKAK-you'll scare people.
Next thing you know,someone will explain that maybe someone noticed 21 or 29 FLASHING with no enemy bases nearby,and figured out there was a NOE raid otw.I know that I would.
And Shane-enough of the Soylent Green references,lol. ;)
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Originally posted by Turbot
What ya talking about he has over 8 kills per hour - he must be great! :)
LOL...good one Turbot. :D
He has 30 mins in planes and 4 kills...ergo, 8 kills per hour[/b] and he hasnt' even flown for an hour.:p
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Originally posted by Turbot
(anyone that cares enought to have more than one account to a stupid computer game needs help IMHO :) )
Hey, I missed this yesterday - I have two accounts, so do I need help? The reason I have two is so that I can once again fly with a second squad I used to be a member of in AW..... there it was never a problem, as my main squad was FR and the second one was RR; however, since coming to AH, I've had to give up the second one with us all now being together. I was missing my former squaddies, and there are times when there are no Kraits on but the Hell Gods are.... so I created a second account for occasions such as those. I can only log on with one account at a time, and would never dream of using one for spying purposes! :p :D
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Mindanao..
Well whenever knights owned 21 when I was online I would always keep an eye on that base.
I have intercepted quite a few NOE raids which I saw as dots dissappearing off dar near 29. 29 is a 5k field. Its real easy to be on dar at least momentarily as you descend to the water
A21 can be a pain in the butt at times because it does split resources a touch. I don't mind the odd boring trip over the waters between 21 and the lower mainland area, but if i find someone its usually just luck and myself workin a hunch.
I'd say I find raiders at least 30% of the time I am actually looking for them.
Now if HT would give us an update I might actually come play again +)
SKurj
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Originally posted by Flossy
I have two accounts, so do I need help? I can only log on with one account at a time, and would never dream of using one for spying purposes! :p :D
smart move! but we're onto you! poopster will be paying close attention to your subversive activities! one mis-step and we'll sic Fancy on you!
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The thing that is wrong is that the perk points you get for spying are just to low,,, there should be some type of 12 sided die roll to increase the perks. I only need 200 more and I can get either a black helicopter or a cloaking device.
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Spies are/were part of wars, just blow it off and keep the plans of the mission within your flight and not leak it out to the rest on country channel. Also, there's a number of squads which rotate each tour and they have friends on all sides. I myself have friends on each side, but I make it a point not to give mission information out to anyone other then those on our side, it's a matter of honour. Spies just bring another level of intensity to the sim :)