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Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: TBlayde on October 13, 2002, 03:01:34 AM
Black Widow:
The P-61 saw service in WWII and was a Night / Day fighter with it's own radar.

A useful function in the MA that I can think of, would be to give dar to planes flying in range of the P-61, but only as much range as the P-61 had in real life.

So say if the Knights Lost Dar to a rook/Bish attack we could up a few of these (Perk?) planes and get Radar back, but localized towards the front of the plane, and only for planes in VOX range, OR, only for that plane and rely on cooperation from the pilot or Atached player to report via VOX or Text.

BlenHeim:
Other than being a neat bomber to fly,  it would make for some really balanced Early TOD frames. being one of the first Bombers of WWII.


URL for some brief info on the Black Widow:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p61.htm

URL for some brief info on the Blenheim
http://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/blenheim.htm

Really Kewl place to visit for WWII Stories, including the Blenheim:
"DogFights over Belgrade, days 1,2,3"
Near the bottom at the following URL:
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/aces.htm



Dan / TBlayde
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Fishu on October 13, 2002, 07:42:20 AM
I think Wellington could be better, at least it could stand a chance against armed enemy :D
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: brady on October 13, 2002, 01:33:24 PM
They are cool planes, but imo, the US/British cup runtih over to a certain extent.
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: whgates3 on October 13, 2002, 02:21:37 PM
P-61 would become the JaBo of choice i'd bet (carried over 6000 pounds of bombs on 4 hardpoints plus 10 rockets).  Beaufighter, He 219, Me 410, Ju 88 C or G (G was more than 1000 mph faster than A-4 and had 4 x MG 151 foward firing, could be a very good twin engine fighter), Do 217, Mossie XXX could all serve in the AWACS role. is there anything that really qualifies as a perk JaBo?
(http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/pictures/e_3.jpg)
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: -tronski- on October 14, 2002, 01:57:04 AM
Prefer a Beaufighter over a P-61. Dual role of early war Night Fighter, AND anti-shipping/ground attack.

Prefer a Betty, He-111, or a Wellington for a light-med bomber.

 Tronsky
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: brady on October 14, 2002, 02:11:39 AM
Perk Jabo, Me 262 A-2
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: whgates3 on October 14, 2002, 03:21:14 AM
Me 262 A-2 carried not even 1/4 the weight of bombs the P-61 did, but those 360 Mk108 shells are the equivalent in hitting power of maybe about 6 HVARs...i would have expected the Schwalbe could have carried a lot more than that.  the 110 G-2 carries twice as much...maybe it was limited by the long takoff run. i wonder why they never tried carrier style steam catapults for land based jets?
Title: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on October 14, 2002, 09:58:01 AM
I think the wellington is an important one. (many builded and used)
Add the beaufighter to.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: TBlayde on August 17, 2018, 08:41:08 PM
I suggested this a very long time ago, but with the recent changes HiTech has made to Radar, I thought now might be a good time to bring this idea back up?
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 18, 2018, 02:07:12 AM
The radar on the P-61 didn't work like the OP wished for.  It was not able to access like an AWACS.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 18, 2018, 06:27:39 AM
There was a Wellington AWAC. Used to ID He111s flying out of the Netherlands launching V-1s.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Vraciu on August 18, 2018, 09:21:02 AM
They are cool planes, but imo, the US/British cup runtih over to a certain extent.

Yeah. Uhu would be better. 
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Vraciu on August 18, 2018, 09:22:53 AM
The radar on the P-61 didn't work like the OP wished for.  It was not able to access like an AWACS.


This isn’t radar.  It’s an information system.   So he’s saying anything the P-61 can “see” would show on the map.   Of course that would be a narrow band in front of the airplane if it was only what the radar picks up.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Zimme83 on August 19, 2018, 03:18:54 AM
The radar on the P-61 didn't work like the OP wished for.  It was not able to access like an AWACS.

Most airborne radars had a range of a few miles so it would not even reach beyond icon range in AH.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Bruv119 on August 21, 2018, 05:47:29 PM
I think you might have earned it with a 16 year punt.

Definitely approve of more British stuff.    :aok

Beaufighter, Blenheim,  Meteor MKIII not necessarily in that order,   :devil
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: Devil 505 on August 21, 2018, 08:29:06 PM
I think you might have earned it with a 16 year punt.

Definitely approve of more British stuff.    :aok

Beaufighter, Blenheim,  Meteor MKIII not necessarily in that order,   :devil

Well the first 2, at least.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: TBlayde on August 21, 2018, 10:09:52 PM
I have seen the recent addition to Radar with today's patch and it's even better than I had originally envisioned. Very much 'Fog of War'.

I bet GV peeps would even agree to GV dar if there is a GV in Icon range of another tank.

Just another idea. :)
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: bozon on August 22, 2018, 04:02:25 AM
P61 can be a nice addition - eventually. While it will be reasonably popular in the MA, it has very little value for scenarios and special events.

Beaufighter is probably the most significant plane on the allied side that we do not have. Served from 1941 to the end in all theatres of operations, in many roles, so it can participate in numerous special events. The later models are not complete dogs in the MA, and it will have the unique capability of a torpedo fighter-bomber.

Blenheim is interesting for scenarios, but it will be that plane that nobody wants to fly in that scenario...

Meteor is useless for scenarios. It can be an interesting addition to the MA as a 262 alternative/adversary.
Title: Re: What about the Black Widow and Blenheim?
Post by: MiloMorai on August 22, 2018, 07:08:16 PM
American airborne radar data/specs
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/NightFighterRadars/index.html