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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 13, 2002, 05:45:51 AM
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Guys, I took in account your advises about my Gabby D25. I redid it entirely to :
- make the panel lines more subtle.
- use a lighter green provided by Monk.
- blend the grey/green more smoothly.
Do you like it better this way? (no, better, way better).
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Natedog or superfly, anything we can do about those 3s please?
The error with the insigna, I can go around it 2 ways. I can remove the insigna, but then it's not USAF correct anymore. Or I can make both insignas smaller to fit in "their spot" but then it just look a bit silly with the 2 small underwing insigna.
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Way better, for sure Frenchy! Awesome!
But this time, the green seems a bit TOO light :D
The panel lines are perfect, though!
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oh yeah. much much better. verrrrry nice work. you still seem to be missing some black stripes on the fuselage.
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Gabby had D Day stripes, then he removed the black on the fuselage only. I don't recall if he removed the wings ones later on.
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Excellent, Frenchy. :D :D
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Viva la frenchy :D
Most excellent mon ami, let's get a vote going to eliminate the current p47-d25 and replace with this one
All in favour, say Aye.....All against, Mordez-moi :D
AYE!!
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Um...I think a gamma of this paint is a bit high.
But nice work dude!!!
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very nice!
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Guys, I took in account your advises about my Gabby D25. I redid it entirely to :
- make the panel lines more subtle.
- use a lighter green provided by Monk.
- blend the grey/green more smoothly.
Do you like it better this way?
Very nice............ I am learning all this the hard way.........
1) make a 1024 x 1024 16 mil master for every skin...........never reduce it..........always copy it to start new work then reduce that. That way you do not smudge rendering with consequetive size and colour enlargements/reductions.
2) Using the paint pot over a feathered selection with proper hue control is a lot easier than trying to get the colour fade right from scratch. (The rivit lines stay but do no stick out in a colour that is totally different to the panel colour.)
3) draw panel lines in 1 thick lines with antialiasing on.(1024 x 1024)
4) Exhaust and wheel dirt with a very opaque low density air brush making rapid sweeps over a feathered selected area.
5) add items in layers.............always (except for 2)
6) reduce size then colour............allow error defusion.............always use the same pallette.............
7) do not worry aboput blurred edges and colours.................no one is gong to see it from 10 feet away...
8) always blend colours rather than leaving sharpe jagged diagonals.........
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Gabby had D Day stripes, then he removed the black on the fuselage only. I don't recall if he removed the wings ones later on.
ahhh... i was just basing my observation from that pic posted in the other thread.
i think it might look better with the black stripes left on anyway... think you can do that so we can compare?
still very good work. i can't even do as well as urchin in the art dept.
:D
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looks nice. I would rework the cowl flaps so they don't stand out so much, and make a more subtle shadow where the fuselage tucks in under the cowl flaps. Also, rework the intercooler doors... either their open or shut. The fuselage US insignia will not look normal if they are open.
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Speaking of 'Gabby" Gabreski, i just got an interesting and (i think) somewhat hard to find video, "The 51st Fighter Interceptor Wing in Korea", of which 'Gabby' was W/C. footage is kinda poor quality B&W, but Gabraski runs the mission briefing. definitely worth seeing
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Sancho, yeah, I forgot the cooler doors, I'll close them. For the cowl flaps, I can't win them all. Or they look real view from the rear, or it's too much view from the front.
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looking at that photo, even though it is Schilling's plane, it would seem like your gray base is a little too reddish hue... should be slightly blue/green. Also, the green should be darker, contrasting a bit more from the gray as in the photo. I reckon Schilling's plane was painted with the same paints as Gabby's. Also check out the link (http://www.kithobbyist.com/largescaleplanes/articles/MikeDobrzelecki/P-47/P-47.htm) monk sent on the squad list too--that guy did some good research on the Gabby camo job.
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I used the color Monk provided, so you guys better get your thing together becuase I may be pissed off pretty soon.
Look at those, schilling's original :
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Look the grey from this one. I came to the conclusion that they are using various shade of grey and/or green. It also looks different depending on the lighting.
On the gabby up there, I perso wished it would be a bit darker green, but I'm not redoing it, just done spending 6 hours on it. (better than first one who took me 24 h):D
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Wonder what Gabresky would say. If he was still Alive.:(
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that is beautiful,great work!! :)
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yes, there is some slight change from the ww2 era color photos and the current schilling jug, but you still need a little more contrast from the green and grey in your paintjob, imo. as long as you are doing everything in layers, changing the colors should take only a few seconds.
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No because I treat the green/grey blending independantly from the layers, and the panels lines shadow also.
I have layers but not everything is layered bacuse I don't achive the same result as "everything layered".
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is it my imagination, or is there a black ETO recognition strip (same as the white strips on the early olive razorbacks) under the hstab on schilling's jug [edit: not schilling's jug. yellow tail so it is 62nd FS. who's jug is that? LM*A??] in that last picture? if so, the under surfaces must be natural metal straight from the factory.
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Dono Sancho, but look at the landing gear door, they are grey camoed I think.
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interesting commentary from the gabby model page I linked above:
The top surfaces are finished in RAF Ocean Grey and Dark Green with the lower surfaces in Medium Sea Grey. There is better than even money that the undersides were left natural metal, however. One clue is that the black ETO bands were still present on the undersurfaces of the stabilizers. The other possibility is that the fuselage may have been painted in Medium Sea Grey and the undersides of the flying surfaces natural metal. On the other hand, they may have simply masked the lower ETO bands, when they painted the aircraft.
Gabby and Schacki believed the undersides were a lighter gray than used on the top surfaces. Freeman and others believe that they were left natural metal.
From the landing gear, it seems like it is either a lighter gray than the top, or natural metal. It does look more like painted though, since doesn't seem to reflect as well as I would expect for natural metal--then again it may just be the angle. But under the hstab, you can somewhat clearly see the ETO band, as well as the yellow reflection of the rudder... which suggests at least the hstab bottom may have been left unpainted, since the gray paint would have not reflected the rudder that clearly.
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Frenchy, Here are the colors by original #'s, but I think they may be to dark.
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Nice i like the invasion stripes
:D
I want that on my P38 to
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Look at the stripe, it's only on the elevator, and everything looks painted.
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frenchy, your second pic, where did you get it from? cause I have it to!
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Frenchy, is that picture from June or July '44, cause that must have been taken just before Gabby decided to try his hand at tilling the farmland with his prop blade thus insuring his internment for the rest of the war :D
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Opps my bad, I didn't look at the squad color, that's a 62nd FS and not 61st which Gabby was in.
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After the invasion, they stopped painting the strips and would just paint over em when they repaired damage, and not repaint the strips. I noticed that the stripes weren't on the top of the wings as well as only on the lower half of the rudder. Just as a side note: the black strips on the underside of the rudder and horizontal stab designated the plane as "European Theater of Ops"
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What are those "tube" structures hanging off of the bomb pylons ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
What are those "tube" structures hanging off of the bomb pylons ?
Rocket launchers
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Originally posted by SlapShot
What are those "tube" structures hanging off of the bomb pylons ?
We have them in AH, you need to fly the P47-D25, or P51B (I think).
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nevermind.. i need to read the whole thread before posting questions.. :mad: