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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on November 09, 2001, 07:24:00 PM
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WTF.. I check the computer all day to get registered and it's not there. :(
I go from work to home and now all the P-51 squads are full :mad:
This sucks. Finnally a multi-frame scenario with the P-51 and I can't get in the fugging thing.
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I don't like the idea of having to register (and make the event squad only) all together.
BS IMO
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: jpeg ]
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Midnight I see a lot of guys registered for P-51 who have done their part flying bombers in previous scenarios. Suck it up and do your part.
Jpeg first you whine about squad registration then you whine about individual registration. Make up your mind.
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Big Week registration is open to individuals. That's the only way to register ... as an individual.
There are still plenty of slots open for both USAAF bombers and Luftwaffe fighters.
http://events.simladder.com/scenarios_bigweek_registration_form.php (http://events.simladder.com/scenarios_bigweek_registration_form.php)
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Midnight I see a lot of guys registered for P-51 who have done their part flying bombers in previous scenarios. Suck it up and do your part.
Jpeg first you whine about squad registration then you whine about individual registration. Make up your mind.
OK sorry if i was unclear,
registration of any kind whether for squad or for indviduals is not good
But on that topic there is no real individual registration, you have to play on a squad, as a guest or member.. either ways it's squad only which makes no logical sense
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: jpeg ]
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Wait Jpeg what happened to this statement:
I loved playing Scenarios in WB and I was looking forward to playing them in AH when I joined..
Hmmm I've played WB since 1996. I don't recall any scenarios there that didn't require registration.
The only ones like that were Scenario Lites, and AH has a nearly identical non-registration event called Snapshot http://events.simladder.com/snapshots.php (http://events.simladder.com/snapshots.php)
If you've got an idea for how to run a 300 player scenario without squads or registration, I'm sure the CMs would love to hear it. Speak up.
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Wait Jpeg what happened to this statement:
Hmmm I've played WB since 1996. I don't recall any scenarios there that didn't require registration.
If you've got an idea for how to run a 300 player scenario without squads or registration, I'm sure the CMs would love to hear it. Speak up.
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
Warbirds III events did not require registration
They might require it now, i dont know I canceled my account
How to run the event without registration? Just run it.. trust me .. you build it and they will come.
Edit: damn spelling mistakes
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: jpeg ]
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When are the snapshots? I don't see any scheduled on the events calendar
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You register to become part of a "historical" squad ... not an existing "Aces High" squad.
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Your confusing TOD with "Big Week".
TOD is squad event in which you must be registered with a squad or as a guest.
Big Week like the other 2 AH large scenarios are huge in scope.
No one wants to show on Sunday and spend 3 hours "pickin teams". Can you comprehend the amount of confusion and squeakin that would go on then.
Registration is necessary prior to an evant this size so that when its time to go evryone has an idea of where when and how.
Even with registration theres an element of confusion and squeaking.
Its obvious you have never been apart of something like this. All your preliminary whining is off base.
While there are always "situations" that arise in these things they are alot of fun. You would be missing out if you snub nose at this thing.
My advice register and come fly one. These guys that research and develope these things work hard to give us the best atmosphere to go and have some fun.
To deprive yourself of the chance to have a good time because you have some unfounded aversion to "registration" is nonsense.
Theres still room go sign up..... :)
sorry spelling .......
[whine]fediddlein no spell checker[/whine]
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Hhm... To be honest, I've never even thought about holding an event this size without prior registration. How would one go about this? I mean... how do you plan and coordinate, let alone decide the plane types, who flys what, who launches from where, what they're gonna be attacking, what they're gonna be defending, how many of each are there, how to balance the sides etc. etc. - in like, a 1/2 hour on the day of the event.... I gotta be missing something here right? Can you fill me in on how this is done?
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Originally posted by jpeg:
Just run it.. trust me .. you build it and they will come.
You're right, they will. 200 guys, all having absolutely no clue what they'll by flying, where they'll be flying, who they'll be flying with, or what their objectives are. Part of what makes these large events great is their planning, and that includes registering the pilots who plan on showing up.
SOB
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Oh.. and Midnight - sorry man. :(
Again, I'm not sure how we could avoid people running into that. Registration opens at whatever time, and either you get your plane choice fast enough or you don't. But the arenas only hold so many people, so it's not like we could have an infinite number of 51 squads.
So we're left with a finite number, and registration opens... for some at a good time, for others at an inconvenient time, and the slots get filled up.
Again - we're totally open to ideas. If you have any wrt registration believe me - I am all ears.
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Jpeg I don't see a Snapshot on the calendar either. Looks like they are on hiatus. :(
If you want to fly TOD just let me know because I have an open guest slot.
funkedup@raf303.org
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One thought is to have a RESERVE list of people to fill in for the no shows.
This way people can sign up and havea chance to get in when the Frame dates arrives.
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Sorry guys, but he has a definite point. I don't want to start a war here, but the registration process was screwed. No warning on registration other than "registration is open soon" (is soon, tomorrow, 3 days, or 2 weeks away???).
If your going to do a "first come, first serve" registration event. You schedule the registration well ahead of time, and tell everyone "Registrations Open on Nov XXX, at XX:XX time". And get the word out.
That way all people have an equal opportunity at the slots. Not just the people that read the boards 10 times a day, or the ones just lucky enough to happen to read the "announcement" which was originally posted in the general forums of the board.
You also announce the days of the event PRIOR to the registration dates, so people and squads have some idea ahead of time, if they are available on those dates. Not scrabbling at the last second trying to organize themselves.
No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH.
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I'm sorry to say it, but registration was handled extremely poorly, and unfairly to the community at large.
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Vermillion ]
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I have to agree with Verm on this one....
with all the time and effort you guys are going to be putting into this event, the registration was, well, half-assed at best.
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The benefit to flying LW iron is that you basically are assured a spot in whatever aircraft you want... even if you take a week to register :)
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There are lots of open slots available. *Somebody's* gotta fly LW, and *somebody's* gotta fly buffs.
It's kinda like ya wanted to beat eachother in the race to Allied fighters. If everyone were in Allied fighters we wouldn't have much of a scenario would we?
No matter *how* we would have gone about this, there would have been people pissed off because they didn't get Allied fighters, for whatever reason... "yah, you gave us a specific reg openning time but it wasn't good for me cuz I'm at work at that time!"... I mean.. Come on.
As it stands, there are lotsa slots open... If you want to fly in this, ya gotta get into one of those slots. Somebody had to anyways, right? You may be pissed off that it's you... but all that means is that somebody else would have been pissed off because it was them.
Verm - If we had given a specific time like you suggest, we'd have the Euros or Aussies or North Americans freaking out because some folks would have to stay up until 3 am and "that aint fair dammit"... or someone else was on a business trip.
I *wanna* make this better but I just dunno how. Again - a limited number of AC allowed in an arena, and someone's gotta fly LW and buffs. After that, what can we do? We don't like folks being pissed off. That's not why we do this. If we can fix things of course we will.
Jordi - good idea. I'll see if we can get a reserve list integrated into this somehow.
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Dang - 2 good ideas in 2 days - but I did steal both from what we did in AW.
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You didn't screw up Nash. People were gonna be left out of Allied fighters no matter what. There's more people who wanna fly them than there are the fighters themselves. People are gonna get left out either way. If you'd have announced a certain day/time that registration opens, too many people would have been online at that time. Then we'd have to hear the sob stories of how the poor guys did like they were supposed to do but weren't able to get a slot.
Catch22.
The faithful scenario pilots will fly whatever they're given this time and hope for their ride next time.
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Sorry guys, but he has a definite point. I don't want to start a war here, but the registration process was screwed. No warning on registration other than "registration is open soon" (is soon, tomorrow, 3 days, or 2 weeks away???).
If your going to do a "first come, first serve" registration event. You schedule the registration well ahead of time, and tell everyone "Registrations Open on Nov XXX, at XX:XX time". And get the word out.
That way all people have an equal opportunity at the slots. Not just the people that read the boards 10 times a day, or the ones just lucky enough to happen to read the "announcement" which was originally posted in the general forums of the board.
You also announce the days of the event PRIOR to the registration dates, so people and squads have some idea ahead of time, if they are available on those dates. Not scrabbling at the last second trying to organize themselves.
No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH.
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I'm sorry to say it, but registration was handled extremely poorly, and unfairly to the community at large.
[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Vermillion ]
having gone through all of this before (http://www.smguild.org/)
I'm kind of glad I'm nothing but a luftwaffle pie lot this time. :)
Tex
should be a manual on that site that might be useful
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Guyz, find something worthwhile to argue about lol, like MORE scenarios. That way nobudy has to squeak :). Uhhm...not as though they won't anyway.
Tumor
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Tumor ]
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Originally posted by Nash:
[QB]There are lots of open slots available. *Somebody's* gotta fly LW, and *somebody's* gotta fly buffs. [QB]
Thats true BUT the way the registration is set up is very poor.
You have to register a PREFERENCE but you can't enter your preference because it's already been taken up???? Is that entering a preference? NO.
If you are calling for preferences then don't assign slots based on that. Register the preferences, no matter who wants what then you assign the slots.
As it is, why even bother registering second and third choices if they are assigned based on a first come, first served basis?
IMO Verm is right, this was a very half assed way of doing the register.
SCRAP IT AND TRY AGAIN I SAY.
At least let us put a preference in for fighters if that is what we prefer.
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I can understand Verms point of view, it would have been nice to have actually set a 'registration open on ** date'.
BUT, I just want to take part in Big Week so I honestly don't mind what I fly. There were still fighter slots open to fly when I registered but I opted for the bomber again because you mostly get more flying that way! :)
Regards
Nexx
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:( all ya want Verm.
"No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH.
Not so much until you brought it to everyone’s attention.
I figure there will be a few not on "AH Anal MEDS" that will live and just join the fun without all the goofy BBS personal scars, such as a over sight by well-meaning involved AH scenario promoters to make a event happen.
Maybe email them hints next time? What a concept.
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eh..
I know it sucks Midnight not to get *your* ride, but sometimes ya gotta bite the bullet. I drove a Panzer for all 5 frames of Afrika Korps and instead of being bored, I had a damn good time. And i'd do it again given the COs were the same. (Rip, Dinger)
I'm sure that next time around you'll be one of the 1st to get his pick but hblair is right - even if the time for registration had been announced you would still have had people not getting their rides. There's hardly any way to make everyone happy.
Perhaps a solution to this problem is a random lottery to decide who gets what plane. Have a sign up period of say, 3 days, and at the end of those 3 days it's closed off and the pilots and squads get run through a random program to decide who gets what, with maybe increased chances for your preference.
(not that i could ever write the algorithims for that program, but it's just a thought)
Ah well. LW leather is much more comfortable then that fuzzy Allied crap. Those pansys are going down! Join the winning side! :p
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Midnight I see a lot of guys registered for P-51 who have done their part flying bombers in previous scenarios. Suck it up and do your part.
you make it sound as if flying the buffs is a 2nd rate job where the people end up who couldn't get in the fiters ...
that's probably the biggest difference between AH and the AW folk that are now joining ...
for (most of) us, the arena is only practice (tm Moggy) for scenarios, to you a scenario seems just another night flying your favourite ride.
just sayin' ... :)
Goner
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Told ya.
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I can only echo what Nash, Exile and several others have already pointed out. To please everyone is impossible.
From personal experience of Afrika Corps and Hostile Shores, I didn't really care what aircraft I was flying in. What mattered was the feeling of being part of a huge team fighting a small war against the enemy. The Immmersion Factor. It's the part I loved about those scenarios and its the reason I got involved with the CM design team - to make scenarios that are as immersive, and therefore fun, as possible. And to bring as many to AH as possible, while keeping quality high.
As for the registration process - it is two stage. Everything is scheduled and planned out so the event runs in December, but before then email confirmation of attendance is required for you to secure your spot. Some people might not be able to make it, so there might be scope to shuffle people around based on the preferences you specify. There might not.
banana has already explained why walkons are not permitted. Frankly, it's a logistical nightmare to organise while trying to get the event to kick off at the required time. It's far better to have everyone knowing what they are doing, where to go and who to speak to before they enter the arena.
The idea is definitely not to p*ss people off. The idea is to run a fun, historical-as-possible event.
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FWIW, I've seen many different kinds of scenario registration, and this kind is my favorite.
anRky
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Dowding wrote:
To please everyone is impossible.
I couldn't agree more, having done this myself many times before.
But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. This was the wrong way.
And Nash, your right too that if you announce a specific time, someone will still have a hard time making the signup time. But at least they have a chance to make other arrangements or something. Then, at least you have given everyone an equal chance.
Me? I couldn't give a toejam. I usually fly Axis in most scenarios anyway, becaue I enjoy the challenge.
Hell, the people that just read the boards once or twice a week probably still don't even know there is a scenario. Let alone one where the prime slots are already gone. No, I don't disagree that flying the "non-popular" rides can be fun, but thats not the point.
Creamo, piss off. I didn't bring it to anyones attention. In fact I wasn't going to say a single word, until the thread was already here. And then I only posted because everyone was jumping on Midnights back, as if he was just being a whiner. He wasn't, and his point was very valid.
So attack me any way you want, since I'm sure thats what will come next. Insult me, insult my flying, call my grandmother a cheap pox ridden potato. But that doesn't change the facts of what happened.
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No one way works for all, it never did, in any of the games we come from.
However, just as sign up squeaking is a fact of life, so are no shows, and that's where some one like Blue Mako can make a very positive contribution.
Point 1) there will be gaps. Perhaps not in frame 1, but certainly in others. Any one who wants in a particular group would be well advised to contact an existant group member of a differeing time zone and co-ordinate covering each other's slots in case of RL difficulties; and communicating that cover to the group leader. It'll lighten his manning worries.
Point 2) Few people are experienced in flying their scenario rides in scenario conditions, and this is where unit training and formation *really* pays off. It's also a great oppertunity for specialists such as the TAS and some of the staffelen to offer their knowledge up for the common good, to contribute and to in effect "book" replacement slots.
You really don't _have_ to fly to make a difference in a good scenario, any more than you had to fly to be part of the war effort.
This is how teams are made.
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It's absurd to NOT ALLOW Walkons. There is always people who do not show up.
Allow walkons please
ATC
351st BG Bigweek Scenario
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Looks to me like we have alot of folks who have not flown scenarios before.
How can you argue with the CM's about organization, etc., when you guys who are whinin obviously haven't been around the block before regarding these types of events? If you say you have and are whinin about how it's being done, then you have always been a whiner...probably could find something wrong with whatever effort was made.
What I find most humorous is that so many of you are complaining, but if you had to organize and pull off an event of this size...well, suffice it to say, if ya haven't walked in their shoes...understand? Probably not.
I think it's great what they are doing...I myself tried to register for this event a few minutes ago and was also disapointed that I cannot fly US fighter aircraft...especially the 51. To whine about it like a spoiled kid is silly....only a limited number of spots are available...you either get one or ya don't. How hard is this to understand?
Like my loving mom used to say to me when I was a little turd..."Life isn't fair boy!" "The sooner you realize that the happier you're gonna be!"
Oh well, none of you will get it anyway and probably will turn on me for saying what I've said, so, at least next weeks Whine of the Week will be an easy one :)
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
I couldn't agree more, having done this myself many times before.
But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. This was the wrong way.
Verm, while I respect that you've done this before and appreciate all the hard work that you must have put into AK, the above is still just your opinion. It ain't fact.
One way is just as good as another, and no way would be fair. If someone wants to fly in Big Week, they should head to the web site and sign up. If they don't get their choice, well, life sucks, but the scenario will still be fun. Hell, I flew C47s in AK and still had a blast. <--this last sentence is to Midnight...buck up man, it'll be fun, I promise :)
SOB
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Wanna hear ALOT of whininig?
Have registration be a sign up, then select first 10 names on top of list for a ALLIED squad, then next 10 names for AXIS squad, repeat as needed.
Sorta supports the the concept of how we don't select where we are born (i.e. American, European, Asian) and seems to emulate how at least the US assigned pilots to plane types. :)
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Dowding wrote:
So attack me any way you want, since I'm sure thats what will come next. Insult me, insult my flying, call my grandmother a cheap pox ridden potato. But that doesn't change the facts of what happened.
Dont worry 'bout creamo verm. He obviusly missed the point.
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Originally posted by DamnedATC:
It's absurd to NOT ALLOW Walkons. There is always people who do not show up.
Allow walkons please
ATC
351st BG Bigweek Scenario
Agree 100% ATC. I asked about this in the scenario BBS but I'm still waiting on an answer. What's up with no walkons? As ATC says there's always gonna be empty slots come game day whether it be to not being able to connect or RL or whatever.
Let's say I was an unscrupulous-non-team playin-self centered-a**hole type that knew damned well he making the last two frames? I go ahead and register and that screws somebody that would have come out of a slot.
As I said I'm not that kinda guy so I didn't register as I know right now I won't be available for next week's frames. But guess what? There are folks out there that'd do this and that just leaves squadA a guy short when it time to take off. Walkons can fill in the blanks.
You guys have to have some intelligent reasons to NOT have walkons that are better than the ones I just gave for having them. Hit me.
Drano
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Well this is the first I've heard of the scenario
Granted I've only been back flying for a couple of weeks but I've never stopped watching the BBS.
I just signed up so hopefully I won't get stuck on KP.
Personally I think signups are the only way to go.
I also think that walkons should be allowed. I've been in to many scenarios where registered people can't make it so squads end up short.
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This should be a lot of fun.
Drex
1/JG1
190-A8
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In regards to registration for large events, such as this one, I suggest this.
1. Registration should be open for at least one full day before any assignments are given.
2. If a squad is set for 10 pilots, at least 14 should be allowed to register, giving some cushion for no-shows, of which there always is.
3. Squads from the MA should maybe get first choice for their assignment in the scenario.
Not meant to offend people, but some guys just sign up to sign up, even if they have no idea what to do and have no intention of researching anything prior to game day. They just show up (if they remember) and say,
Originally posted by Scenario Dweeb
[QB]
Where do I go?
What do I do?
What e-mail orders? I didn't read it, what did it say?
How do you fly this plane we were assigned?
How do I change countries?
And so on.
I just feel that the people and squads that dedicate their time in the MA to a certain aircraft or semi "historical role" should get the oppurtunity to ply their trade in the big events without having to worry about not making registration on time and being beat out by a 2-day newbie.
I have nothing against newbies, I was once one myself. I just don't like newbies who don't care and don't try to make these big events as good as they could be.
How about something like if you don't have at least X amount of kills in a scenario aircraft, you may only be assigned to it if there are open slots after the experienced pilots who train in it all the time get their chance?
Yeah, Yeah, scenarios should be open to everyone... Well I look at it like a team event. Local softball league, whatever. If you don't show up to practice, and don't know the rules of the game, don't expect to be assigned as first baseman. If you are lucky, you will get an outfielder spot after the 8th inning.
And yes, I am mad, whining, whatever you want to call it. I know I am sounding demanding or spoiled or whatever, but I don't really care ;)
I try hard to be one of the best P-51 pilots around, and I would like to be able to put my skills to the test in historical match-ups
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Drex
1/JG1
190-A8
I think I just got relegated to being Allied Escort "chum" :D
Westy
1JG1
190-A8
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Midnight:
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In regards to registration for large events, such as this one, I suggest this.
1. Registration should be open for at least one full day before any assignments are given.
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And then someone has to decide out of the 90% of the pilots who signed up for the same flights, who would get the popular rides.
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2. If a squad is set for 10 pilots, at least 14 should be allowed to register, giving some cushion for no-shows, of which there always is.
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I've seen several AW scenarios do this very thing. It works well when there is low turnout, but in the popular flights or well attended scenarios there is the whole hassle of the 'reserve list' and who gets to fly and who doesn't. In this case, it's probably left up to each squad commander (who has to follow a specific set of rules) however, the whole issue of being 'fair'
is complicated exponentially with each additional person who has to decide who flys and who doesn't.
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3. Squads from the MA should maybe get first choice for their assignment in the scenario.
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I call roadkill. Being in an MA squad shouldn't be a reason to give anyone any preferential treatment.
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Not meant to offend people, but some guys just sign up to sign up, even if they have no idea what to do and have no intention of researching anything prior to game day. They just show up (if they remember) and say,
And so on.
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This is a completely separate problem. And it is a *big* problem.
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I just feel that the people and squads that dedicate their time in the MA to a certain aircraft or semi "historical role" should get the oppurtunity to ply their trade in the big events without having to worry about not making registration on time and being beat out by a 2-day newbie.
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What does the MA have to do with scenarios (other than being a place to practice for them)?
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I have nothing against newbies, I was once one myself. I just don't like newbies who don't care and don't try to make these big events as good as they could be.
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If you're really concerned about these events being 'as good as they could be', then you should be more worried about getting the unpopular flights filled up. The popular rides will take care of themselves.
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How about something like if you don't have at least X amount of kills in a scenario aircraft, you may only be assigned to it if there are open slots after the experienced pilots who train in it all the time get their chance?
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roadkill!
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Yeah, Yeah, scenarios should be open to everyone... Well I look at it like a team event. Local softball league, whatever. If you don't show up to practice, and don't know the rules of the game, don't expect to be assigned as first baseman. If you are lucky, you will get an outfielder spot after the 8th inning.
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If you really want to be a part of a 'team', then you'll do the jobs that *need* to be done, for the team [/i] and not throw a fit because someone else gets to do what you want to do.
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And yes, I am mad, whining, whatever you want to call it. I know I am sounding demanding or spoiled or whatever, but I don't really care ;)
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And I don't think you really care about the scenario, either.
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I try hard to be one of the best P-51 pilots around, and I would like to be able to put my skills to the test in historical match-ups
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That would be great. But since we don't have that many historical match-ups, everyone who wants to isn't going to get the chance to fly the ride of their choice very often. Maybe next time.
anRky
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Midnight, let's be happy these guys are putting on something of this large scope as it is! Now you suggest that they need to track which squads fly what and give priority or how many kills each person has in a given type of aircraft and weight selections based on that. I'm pretty certain these people have homes, families, lives and enough as it is.
I see the bigger picture, the historical aspect and enjoyment of a great many people coming together. The whole is greater than the individual parts here. Someone is going to have to fly something that is not his first choice. I was lucky, I had Friday off and could have picked anything I wanted. In fact, it was said in squad e-mail that I'd want the P51B. Well, my first choice was the P38L so that I can fly with a few squadmates. Check through my scores online and see how many times I've flown and killed in the P38. My 2nd choice was a B17 because I saw that not many were choosing that off the bat and for me to do my part and make this a success I need to suck it up and prepare myself for maybe having to be a bomber pilot. Check my scores again, see how often I fly bombers. My 3rd choice, well, it's a P51B group. The three planes I fly in MA are the F6F, F4U and P51B. I am honest about this, but if my first choice had been P51B I would gladly give it to you...I'll give you my 3rd choice for it if you want and I'll substitute it with a bomber slot or whatever is *needed* to make this thing work.
I'm very happy we have an event like this being put on but I clearly recognnize that many, many people will not get to fly their regular ride and I am in fact one of those people. Who knows, you may meet some new cool people and enjoy the change in cockpit scenery for the event. I'm not sure pounding the CMs is the answer. There is no way to please everyone and probably the *fairest* way to go about this is the CMs just assign slots as needed and that way it's fair that no one has a choice and it's all by random chance.
I don't really feel your pain. But you can have my 3rd choice slot.
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Here's a vote for a few walk-on slots if possible.
Because of the way our bid system works, I don't have my work schedule until the 18th of the month prior.
IE: I will know my December schedule on November 18.
Now, if any slots are still open then and I can make both days, I'll register.
However, if everything fills up and I have the days off I'd happily walk on.
Which ever way it works out, that's life and I'll try to soldier on <sniff>.
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One other way we did REGS in AW was this.
1. People register and select 3 choices - NONE are guarenteed at the time of registration.
2. Keep registration open till enough people have signed up.
3. Assign a RANDOM Number to each person and sort them by that assigned number.
4. Fill each slot in order of thier assigned random number.
There are a lot of ways to do registrations - some are better than others but may involve more work.
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how come us sturmbocks dont have the same problem them p51 farm boyz have?
B17s and 190a8s is where the actions at.
50 of us vrs 100 of them. Rest of you guys gonna be flying in circles while we grab..... :)
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Midnight I gotta agree with AN here.
But I feel your pain... 308 was historically a Spitfire and Hurricane squad. We've flown those planes precisely one (1) time in six scenarios.
Suck it up, take one for the team. That's how it goes for dedicated scenario units.
Anyways bombers in a big scenario are a blast. And if there are no-shows you might well end up in a Mustang.
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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I love this scenario already, look at all the cryin and it ain't even started!
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I'm not going to "attack you Verm, or call your "grandmother a cheap pox ridden potato." Which once again, no one would have thought until you put so much effort to bring your opinion, not FACTS to everyone’s attention.
Just saying all the :( stuff really ain’t nessessary. There's real no way to do a event "right" and 50 ways to fuk it up. Scratch that. Here, it's just about impossible with all the whining retards. :( 'ing everyone to death isn't going to help.
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There's alotta good ideas in this thread. So while we're getting attacked a bit, at least we're learning something. :)
The deal is... we're now having these scenarios every 3 months, so for the people who didn't get thier favorite ride, that should make things easier to swallow. You won't have to wait very long to get another chance. Because of the increase in scenarios, we're working hard to come up with a good system that we'll use for these, and I see some ideas above that I definitely wanna incorporate. Also, we're going to track who flys in what, and try to set it up in such a way that the people who flew in buffs, for example, will have the best shot at getting fighters in the next go around.
Anyway, despite it all, I hope it ends up being fun. Keep the suggestions coming - there's some good stuff here.
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All you guys saying "be a team player" etc are missing one point that I believe Midnight (and myself along with a couple of others) is trying to make.
The current registration page did not allow us the oppotunity to register our PREFERENCE.
Why? Because slots had already been assigned based on preferences already entered and this removed the full squads from the PREFERENCE list.
It should not matter how many people have put in a preference the same as yours. A preference should not guarantee a slot, the mail back system should.
THE MAIL BACK REGISTRATION SHOULD BE THE DECIDER IN ASSIGNING SLOTS. EMAIL EVERYONE REGISTERED AT THE SAME TIME AND THE FIRST CONFIRMATIONS FOR EACH PREFERENCE SHOULD GET THE SLOTS.
THIS is where the registration is poor. Please fix this aspect and then allow us to register our PREFERENCES again.
oh and btw I have signed up for axis now as it was the only place I could get a fighter ride. I still want to fly in the scenario but am just cheesed off that I wasn't allowed to put in a preference for a pony slot.
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This idea will still screw some people over.
Lets say they email everyone at 9:00 PM ET - those Euro players may not read it till they get up the next morning - and they get screwed. Post it at Noon - those at work who can get thier home email get screwed.
Even though it takes a lot more work a TRUE RANDOM Selection process AFTER enough people have registered that they want to particiapte - Then a Random draw takes place - when your number comes up if your primary chioce is still available you get it - if not then your maybe your secondary choice or third choice - if all are filled yopu go into a RESERVE pool that can be used to fill spots as people drop out.
Originally posted by Blue Mako:
THE MAIL BACK REGISTRATION SHOULD BE THE DECIDER IN ASSIGNING SLOTS. EMAIL EVERYONE REGISTERED AT THE SAME TIME AND THE FIRST CONFIRMATIONS FOR EACH PREFERENCE SHOULD GET THE SLOTS.
THIS is where the registration is poor. Please fix this aspect and then allow us to register our PREFERENCES again.
oh and btw I have signed up for axis now as it was the only place I could get a fighter ride. I still want to fly in the scenario but am just cheesed off that I wasn't allowed to put in a preference for a pony slot.
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Mike Jordi Bowman ]
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Nash, check private messages please.
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Well just to add another wrinkle to the situation. Those of us lucky enough to be in squads in the MA like to fly together in the scenarios. But this is not always possible. I have flown many scenario's in FA and they did sign ups very similar to this. But you were asked what you're preferred role was Fighter or Bomber. There was a seperate site that held previous info on each pilot. You had a log in ID and PW to get into the site and register. Say registration was 1 week long then you got you're orders and what plane you were flying a week or 2 before the event. Most of the time you got matched with squadmates but sometimes you didn't. Sometimes you got you're preferred role sometimes you didn't. It seemed to run in cycles. 1 Event I got to fly the fighter. Next event I got the bomber and the last one I got the fighter again. Another thing they did was the scenarios got so big they would run 4 seperate rooms with 200 apeice in them. They called them sectors. And each room would tally a score then at the end the scores were added together and the total victory would be announced. When 6 to 700 people flying in there 4 rooms was the proper choice. But then again the zone had a much bigger pool of help from all the @FA chancellors and even other zone sysops helping them run the thing. But even with all this preperation, this still got naffed at the beginning. People not listening to the sysops in the lobby before entering the room. People tabbing to the wrong bases. Rolling and taking off when they should be hanging tight on the RW for everyone to get organized. And keep in mind in FA Freindly collisions on the ground counted. Freindly collisions in the air counted. It would turn into a nightmare that never seemed to start on time. Simply because people wouldn't listen and do their part to make things go smoothly. But all in all some of the best fun I had were in those scenarios. This will be my first scenario here, and am looking forward to it. Just wondering if HT has even considered using more than 1 room for these so more people could fly and would leave more chance of people being happy. But I haven't been in one so I don't know how the turnouts are for this yet.
RazorDD
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Nash:
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The deal is... we're now having these scenarios every 3 months, ...
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A scenario every three months?!?!
WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now *that's* some good news. :) And just about right, if you ask me. Not too few, not too many.
anRky
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Originally posted by Mike Jordi Bowman:
Even though it takes a lot more work a TRUE RANDOM Selection process AFTER enough people have registered that they want to particiapte - Then a Random draw takes place - when your number comes up if your primary chioce is still available you get it - if not then your maybe your secondary choice or third choice - if all are filled yopu go into a RESERVE pool that can be used to fill spots as people drop out.
This idea has some merit and could easily be implemented. I really like the idea of a "random draw" to fill slots. It covers the problem of people rushing to get a slot first and the issue of reserves at the same time.
very nice and clean :cool:
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Originally posted by Mike Jordi Bowman:
Even though it takes a lot more work a TRUE RANDOM Selection process AFTER enough people have registered that they want to particiapte - Then a Random draw takes place - when your number comes up if your primary chioce is still available you get it - if not then your maybe your secondary choice or third choice - if all are filled yopu go into a RESERVE pool that can be used to fill spots as people drop out.
Yep my idea is not perfect, I guess I'm not that worried about the actual selection mechanism but my beef is this:
I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO STATE MY PREFERENCE.
My preferred slots were not available for me to select as a preference. A preference should be open to everyone, not just to those who choose it first. That is the purpose of having the second and third choices after all.
That is what I don't like about the selection process used here. It should have said "Choose your SPOT", not "choose your preference".
In the end I will fly where I can get in. If it wasn't my first choice then so be it. However, I feel that I should have been able to at least state my first choice...
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a beef with the guys who are setting this up. A big <S> to them for going to the effort of making this scenario. I just think this could have been handled better/differently.
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I just think this could have been handled better/differently.
Yeah, I don't think *any* of us would argue with you there. If you didn't get your plane choice or are upset about this for any other reason, we're sorry about that. Some suggestions made here on this thread are gonna get implemented for the next go around in February, and we'll try to get it right.
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hehe just realized something: Big Week is on a Sunday. D'oh!!! I'll be at work, won't be able to join in! :(
Anyway, I hope my points are helpful in pointing out the hiccups in the registration process.
LoL Sunday... <shakes head> Can't believe I was griping when I cant even join in... :o
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Yep my idea is not perfect, I guess I'm not that worried about the actual selection mechanism but my beef is this:
I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO STATE MY PREFERENCE.
My preferred slots were not available for me to select as a preference. A preference should be open to everyone, not just to those who choose it first. That is the purpose of having the second and third choices after all.
That is what I don't like about the selection process used here. It should have said "Choose your SPOT", not "choose your preference".
In the end I will fly where I can get in. If it wasn't my first choice then so be it. However, I feel that I should have been able to at least state my first choice...
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a beef with the guys who are setting this up. A big <S> to them for going to the effort of making this scenario. I just think this could have been handled better/differently.
If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.
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No say it ain't so mako.....who's gonna help me figure out where to get all this leather that the 190 A-8 flight manual says is required for optimal performance??????
Santa?
Hblair?
any of you other loosewaffles?
:D
in other words, it would have been nice if squads would have been able to join together even if they didn't get the plane they wanted.
PS.
any help/tips for flying this brick with wings would be appreciated :)
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originally posted by exile
If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.
he's just saying that we where never asked for our actual preference nor given a choice, he wanted something along the lines of the Hostile shores registration. allied/axis fighter, allied/axis bomber, where you where placed was up to the organisers of the scenario......
I would have prefered that myself, but maybe there was just to much work invoved for the CM's?
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[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: pugg666 ]
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Originally posted by Exile:
This idea has some merit and could easily be implemented. I really like the idea of a "random draw" to fill slots. It covers the problem of people rushing to get a slot first and the issue of reserves at the same time.
very nice and clean :cool:
Damnit!
I had that idea first :(
Friggin people stealin my kills again. :(
And I didn't get my preferred ride either, but no one sees me complainin about it.
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Originally posted by pugg666:
he's just saying that we where never asked for our actual preference nor given a choice, he wanted something along the lines of the Hostile shores registration. allied/axis fighter, allied/axis bomber, where you where placed was up to the organisers of the scenario......
I would have prefered that myself, but maybe there was just to much work invoved for the CM's?
I understand and yes it is too much work to have to manually place people in squads based on their preferences. There would still be those who did not get what they wanted and we would most likely be hearing from them how they didn't like how the registration was run or that favoritism was shown and so on.
We are trying to automate the process as much as possible. We are already committed to this registration, but you can bet we've learned a few things and the registration for the next scenario will reflect what we've learned.
We understand we can't please everyone all the time, but we are trying as hard as we can.
[ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Exile ]
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Originally posted by Nash:
The deal is... we're now having these scenarios every 3 months
Too many, IMO. You do NOT want to burn out the population. Just when you finished one, you're already registered for another one. You will feel tired and worn out.
We did this in AW. Scenarios became the biggest thing. So we did them too close, and people left. It became dull, and boring. Scenarios should be something special. Rare, yet, often. The Main Arena is just practice for that deciding frame in the scenario, where your heart is pounding and your not playing a GAME anymore. You are the bombadier, that Spitfire pilot, that P-40 pilot.
I suggest you don't do them that quick. 3 scenarios a year would be great. None in the summer though.
Aub
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Aub, think of it this way...
AW scenarios were usually six two-hour frames.
AH scenarios seem like they're going to be four two-hour frames.
So 4 AH scenarios is like 3 AW scenarios.
Also, it's not 'Just when you finished one, you're already registered for another one', it's--you finish one, you have a month off, the next month you register and practice, the next month SCENARIO!, the next month off, etc...
The only thing is that the designers/organizers end up with more work this way. :)
anRky
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Originally posted by Exile:
If we want to get into semantics here. I can't find anywhere on the registration form where we ask for a "preference". The form asks for your "Squadron Choice" ... first, second and third.
Ok, sorry I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't trying to say the form asked for "preferences", substitute the words "squad choice" instead.
As I understand a confirmation type registration, it should run along these lines:
You register for the squadron of your choice, regardless of how many other people have picked that squadron.
You then choose a second and third choice...
Confirmation emails are sent out, offering the first (10 or however many) people signed up in a squad that choice. This is the first round of offers.
After a few days (whatever time chosen), confirmations are in and those spots are locked in.
The second round of offers goes out, any unfilled spots go to the people who have chosen that squad as their first choice but where not offered it in the first round.
When the second round of confirmations come in the remaining spots are then offered to those who put in second and third choices in those squads.
Yes it sounds long winded and it is but otherwise why ask for confirmation and second and third choices? As it stands atm, you cannot actually select a squad if it is full.
Thus even if people who asked for that squad initially don't confirm registration, you CANNOT get offered a place in your squad-of-choice because you HAD to choose another as your first choice (ie preference). Thus the people on the reserves/walk-ons register get offered the spot you wanted to register for in the first place...
P.S. Pugg I should be able to fly at least the first and third frames (early Mon morning my time)... Are they 1 or 2 hour frames? If I can get a rostered day off from work I may be able to make the other frames... I'll start looking at the leatherwear instructions now.
P.P.S. Anyone know how g-string is spelt in German?
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Originally posted by Blue Mako:
Yes it sounds long winded and it is but otherwise why ask for confirmation and second and third choices? As it stands atm, you cannot actually select a squad if it is full.
The thinking behind this is that with the possibility of so many people hitting the site at once, there is a good chance that there are more than just you making the same squad choices you are. If 2 people both select squad x as their first choice and there is only 1 slot left, then the first person to submit their form will get the slot and the other person will most likely get his second choice, unless of course that was just taken by someone who submitted their form at the same time ... and so on ........
I do like your desciption of a multi round confirmation process though. We are already planning a better registration process for the next scenario.
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Looking forward to flying in the scenario, regardless of the ride. I do appreciate the hard work you scenario guys are putting in. Glad to see you are taking the suggestions on board. Keep up the good work. :)
Is it going to be okay for me to only make it to a couple of the frames? I will try and make it to all but my boss kinda expects em to be at work on Monday mornings. :(
How long are each of the frames?
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Salute to the organizers of this or any special event.
It has to be people with great talent that design and organize something this large.
The hours donated freely are apparently only valuable to yourselves.
Just answering every critasism of your efforts as fairly and openly as you do, well that speaks volumes about your character.
If ever I can help in any way to ease your work load, please feel to contact me.
Sax
13th Tas
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Yup, I'm pretty much fed up with it. I've been in probably 20 or so scenarios and I've never gotten my choice of ac unless I was gl. I'm tired of "supporting the community". I either fly what I want or I don't fly. HTC should run these things regularly instead of leaving us to wait months for a player supported one to come along.
Originally posted by Vermillion:
No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH.
:(
I'm sorry to say it, but registration was handled extremely poorly, and unfairly to the community at large.
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WTF does that mean?
Originally posted by Aub:
Rare, yet, often.
Aub
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Should be once a month, at least, whether player run or HTC run, preferably HTC run, better continuity that way.
Originally posted by AN:
[QB]Nash:
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[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: CRASH ]
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Originally posted by CRASH:
Yup, I'm pretty much fed up with it. I've been in probably 20 or so scenarios and I've never gotten my choice of ac unless I was gl. I'm tired of "supporting the community". I either fly what I want or I don't fly. HTC should run these things regularly instead of leaving us to wait months for a player supported one to come along.
So...lemme get this straight.
You want HTC...all 6 of 'em, mind you, to design and run scenarios in addition to coding the game, building the planes, re-evaluating flight models, taking care of customers and billing stuff, and maintaining this website?!?! And how would you[/i] suggest they do all this CRASH?
Please...we are all ears.
The reason the CM team exists is to design and run scenarios so that HTC doesnt have to. I am sorry that you dont get to fly the plane you want to fly in the scenario. But ya know what, life isnt fair and you dont always get things your way. Hell I ended up flying transports for 4 frames of Afrika Korps because I was on vacation during sign-up and didnt get my choice of aircraft...but I still had a damn good time doing it.
I guess for some its all about being there and for others its all about having things done "your way."
Sigh.... :rolleyes:
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Thanks Sax.
Crash - you're 'tired of supporting the community'? Eh? :rolleyes:
Like Sling points out, life isn't fair. Sometimes you get what you want, sometimes not. Some people don't let it bother them and get on with having a good time, others 'pick up their bat and ball, and go home'...
In terms of scenarios, there's always a good chance you won't get the ride you want. You have to accept that. The registration process can always be improved, and we're working to do that, but the above statement is still true.
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Geez, no matter how you do, you ALWAYS do it Wrong :rolleyes:.
Except you are Vermillion :o, Mr. Right makes it does it for sure everytime.
Some people should grow up.
<S> Nash, you've done it right.
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In between all these harsh words,ill take the opportunity to say THANK YOU the people who made this possible.
I know you`ve put a lot of work into this,and I sure hope this event will run smoothly(i know it will) ;)
Dawvgrid
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If you dont have anything constructive to say, or take action with, then I will coin a phrase of the eloquent spoken Funkedup "someone fix that guy a tall frosty glass of _shut the <sensored> up_"
Folks there is alot of work goin into this and all big events. It is impossible to please everyone, but th CM team is tryuing. And we will learn from this and only improve it as we go. Whining and crying will do nothing to help You or the scenario.
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And my points weren't valid or constructive?
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No matter what happens now, good or bad in the scenario, the registration is going to leave a bad taste in the mouths of alot of the community of AH. :(
How is that constructive criticism?
I'd call it unhelpful conjecture, perhaps with a touch of malice...
Your other points may have merit, and we're re-arranging things to reflect what people want or have suggested. But that closing remark just wound me up.
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So all the rest of what I wrote about how it could have been done better, or what was done wrong, doesn't matter? Because I state an opinon of how I think people will remember what happened, this makes everything else just a whine?
Take my posts as a whole, don't pick them apart piece by little piece. And then try attribute greater meanings to those pieces. Its one of the oldest and lamest debating tactics in the internet world.
No, what is happening here is an age old story. If you go against the party line, your a whiner. Fine then I'm a whiner.
Midnight started this thread with a very valid point, and everyone jumped onto him. So I posted that I thought he was right, and posted what I feel to this very minute, what I think are valid points.
Step back, put away the pom-poms, and take a logical look at what happened. Do you honestly think that everyone got a fair and equal chance at signing up for this scenario?
I'm not saying that people aren't trying to do their best. I'm saying that I think mistakes were made, and I think it was unfair of the community to slam someone who steps forward to speak up.
Side Comment: Hey StSanta, maybe all that Dora flying has rubbed off on me. Its turned me into a Luftwiner ;) Better get that leather flight suit in extra large, ready for me.
[ 11-12-2001: Message edited by: Vermillion ]
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Verm,
You do have to admit that they are listening, that they are implimenting sugestions made by the community taht should correct some problems with the current registration processs and future ones.
With the addition of a Reserve list, Walkon list and Swap pilot list MOST (but not all) pilots should be accomodated.
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Originally posted by Mike Jordi Bowman:
One other way we did REGS in AW was this.
1. People register and select 3 choices - NONE are guarenteed at the time of registration.
2. Keep registration open till enough people have signed up.
3. Assign a RANDOM Number to each person and sort them by that assigned number.
4. Fill each slot in order of thier assigned random number.
There are a lot of ways to do registrations - some are better than others but may involve more work.
Cookie (who just got back into flight sims, woo hoo!) wrote a nice script to do this automagically. check http://www.smguild.org/smgrs.html (http://www.smguild.org/smgrs.html)
Tex
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I only steal the BEST ideas from others !
Originally posted by texter:
Cookie (who just got back into flight sims, woo hoo!) wrote a nice script to do this automagically. check http://www.smguild.org/smgrs.html (http://www.smguild.org/smgrs.html)
Tex
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thx guys ... I'll definitely take a look at the site.
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Because I state an opinon of how I think people will remember what happened, this makes everything else just a whine?
Where did I say that? Read my post again. I've already said the criticism has been taken on board.
Take my posts as a whole, don't pick them apart piece by little piece. And then try attribute greater meanings to those pieces. Its one of the oldest and lamest debating tactics in the internet world.
If commenting on a specific part of your post offends your 'internet debating' sensibilities, then that's the way it will have to be. You posted those remarks, you shouldn't complain if I (or anyone else) takes issue with them. Why post them if you were not prepared to accept that?
You effectively said the scenario is a failure before it even begins. Perhaps that was not your intention, but that was how it came across to me.
Do you honestly think that everyone got a fair and equal chance at signing up for this scenario?
Is there such a thing as a 'fair and equal chance'? I doubt it. Someone would be left out whichever way we did it. It's more a question of how many people find themselves in that position and minimising that number.
But anyway, I don't want a slanging match over this. That wouldn't help at all. I just wanted to make my position clear. <S>
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I went to sign up, and all the Allied fighters were taken, along with 3 of my squad mates, so I wasn't gonna be able to fly with them. I looked at what was left and saw Wotan and Urchin in JG26 with the 190A8. I don't fly it much, and I don't recall ever flying with these guys before, so I figured this would be a blast! Get to fly a ride I don't very often in a squad with two who fly it as good as anyone else out there. :) I think two of my squadmates were able to get into this flight as well, so I'm a happy camper.
As for not getting my favorite ride... They haven't run a scenario in the Pac theater yet, so it's just not possible. :D In fact, I don't really care for any of the planes in this entire scenario! The P38 is the only fighter I've flown in the Main Arena that we've got in this scenario. Didn't matter to me, I'm just glad to be able to participate in something like this! :)
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Correct. Only critique here is that more advance notice of the *exact* opening of sign-up gives more people time to get set up to sign-up.
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Originally posted by Dowding:
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Is there such a thing as a 'fair and equal chance'? I doubt it. Someone would be left out whichever way we did it. It's more a question of how many people find themselves in that position and minimising that number.
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Jordi, regarding the swap list... We decided that it's probably just as easy for people to arrange for that on the Big Week forum (openning soon I hope). We wanted to get the other two lists up asap and adding a swap section would have delayed that more. Maybe the next one though, because it is a good idea. But... using the forum, if two people work out a swap, just fire us an email and we'll switch em manually. The reserve and walk-on lists will be there though.
Something about waiting until everyone has registered then putting those names into a sort of randomizer and filling the slots that way... Squads are going to get shredded. Right? You're gonna have 14 of your guys spread out over 10 or so squads. Did that end up being acceptable or did you find some way of doing this while keeping (for the most part) the squads intact?
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Step back, put away the pom-poms, and take a logical look at what happened. Do you honestly think that everyone got a fair and equal chance at signing up for this scenario?
Please send me directions to Eutopia. I'd like to visit there sometime! :)
SOB
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I think the REG System had a check to remain with a squad if possible.
Ex. If Pilot A had checked marked stay with squad and they put the EXACT Same squad name as the rest of their squad used ( Or the sqaud names were fixed by the REG Team before slots were filled ) then when his name came up and he chose P51 like the rest of his squad he would be put into the same group as the rest of the guys if there was an open spot.
Like you point out - AFTER the registration is complete pilots tend to ask to change grps so they end up with thier friends / sqaudmates.
A reserve list and a walkon list should do just fine for this scenario.
Originally posted by Nash:
Jordi, regarding the swap list... We decided that it's probably just as easy for people to arrange for that on the Big Week forum (openning soon I hope). We wanted to get the other two lists up asap and adding a swap section would have delayed that more. Maybe the next one though, because it is a good idea. But... using the forum, if two people work out a swap, just fire us an email and we'll switch em manually. The reserve and walk-on lists will be there though.
Something about waiting until everyone has registered then putting those names into a sort of randomizer and filling the slots that way... Squads are going to get shredded. Right? You're gonna have 14 of your guys spread out over 10 or so squads. Did that end up being acceptable or did you find some way of doing this while keeping (for the most part) the squads intact?
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Please send me directions to Eutopia. I'd like to visit there sometime!
;)
1.) Go down to your local "package" store, and purchase one 750ml bottle of Grain Alchol.
2.) Drink Bottle.
3.) Eutopia will be on the first right ! :p
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Many thanks for the walk-on and reserve lists. It'll help many pilots .... me lazy, for example ;)
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Um Jeez folks. I haven't seen this much whining in a very long time :)
I got a ride in this scen but, it's in 109s; I never fly 109s. But, it'll force me to learn how. I saw no problem with the sign up, and had no problem. I signed up on Saturday afternoon; a squaddie told me about it. All of the US fighter slots were filled up and there were a boatload of US Buff slots still open. I dont fly buffs so, I looked at the LW side; plenty of slots open there. I signed up for 109s or A8s; I got a 109 ride.
The sign up seemed okay to me, and I didnt even know about it! How else could I have found out? Well, if squadrons weren't contacted then perhaps they should have been or, perhaps it could have been announced a week earlier than it was. I know that somebody almost always gets locked out of these things, with limited slots its unavoidable. Jordi is an old hand at organizing these large scens, he is open to suggestions (if reasonable) and will look to improve if need be, the next time.
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As an attempt to try to add some closure to this thread, let me try to explain some of what you are seeing with this registration.
Until last week, I've been wearing two hats in the Scenario Corp, as Senior CM, and as Multi-frame Scenario Team Leader. I ran the first multi-frame scenario hosted by the Scenario Corp, Verm's "Afrika Corp" scenario. I also helped Fd-ski design the "Hostile Shores" Scenario we hosted in April and May of this year. I realized that I was approaching burnout with both duties on my plate. Consequently, last week, I asked Nash to step up and take the Team Leader position on the Multi-frame team, since he has done a good job for us in the past, and I could see his leadership skills improving a great deal in working up the "Big Week" scenario. In making this decision to promote Nash and to step back and focus on my Senior CM duties, I am trying not to butt in and look over his shoulder at every decision he makes. This is his first large multi-frame scenario he's hosted as Team Leader, so I would like to see us cut him a little slack. He knows there needs to be improvements, and he's learning quickly.
Now, regarding the way we approached the registration. Of course, there are many ways to approach registration, depending on how much work you want to do as a CM. Verm's method of registration seemed to work ok in Afrika Corps, although as the head CM running that event, I'll tell you that the handling of the walkons was a nightmare, even when we had them wait in a separate arena. This led to us going with a different, "pre-register" type registration of the kind that Fd-ski came up with for "Hostile Shores". This registration went very smoothly, and worked great for MA squds that wanted to sign up as a unit. But, as I'm sure Fd-ski can vouch for, it took a tremendous amount of time for him to organize everyone. He did a great job of it, but IMO it was too much work for the benefit.
Hence, we get to this registration, where we want to focus on automating the process as much as possible. We have Exile, a virtual wizard with a database and web development tools, who has done an outstanding job for this community by being flexible and coming up with the scoring and registration tools for the scenarios and the TOD's.
Yes, I think it's fair to say that this new registration process didn't work exactly like we thought it would, and some fundamental error were made in regard to announcement lead time. But I stand behind Nash and Exile's attempt to automate this process as much as possible, to reduce the workload of the CM's.
So I appologize to all who didn't get the ride they wanted, but no matter how we setup registration, there is always someone who won't get their ride of choice.
But as long as I'm the Senior CM, I will continue to drive to get the guys to make these scenarios and the TOD's less work for the CM's. You as players have to realize how much work it takes to throw these events together. Ya sure, we do it because it's a labor of love for us. But the free AH account we receive from HTC as a token of their appreciation for what we do for them, is a pittance compared to how much time we invest.
And at least in my opinion, the mere word of thanks from those of you who actually appreciate what we do for the community means more than anything else.
We are continuing to grow our number of events, and we're bringing on some talent from other games like Warbirds and Air Warrior. I believe good CM's from those games will make good CM's for Aces High.
This is Aces High, folks. We're not going to run things exactly like they were run in Warbirds and Air Warrior, so get used to that fact. Most of us were once either AW guys or WB guys, but one thing is clear now--we are all Aces High guys now. We will continue to learn and to grow and to change, that is a fact. But we need a community behind us that will support us and work hand in hand with us, not sit back and throw potshots at us.
We are here to serve the community because we care that you guys have a quality place to go when the MA wears out it's welcome. But we are not servants. We are regular players like you, and we need to work together to make these events become everything we want them to be.
Thanks for understanding. We'll continue to do our best to serve up quality historical(and even some non-historical) events for you to play, Aces High style. We ask for your support and understanding. Please do your part to help make us a success.
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Everybody that 'had' to sign up as a LW pilot and whines about it is as of now a Luftwhiner, :D
[ 11-13-2001: Message edited by: Apar1 ]
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Good post banana.
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banana:
Thanks to all involved in this :)
Well said also btw. I am looking forward to the scenario. I t will be my first in AH, I flew and was involved in many AW FR scenarios, and each of them was a blast. I expect that this new AH experience will not be disappointing.<S>
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sorry :rolleyes: