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Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Urchin on October 14, 2002, 07:03:37 PM
That my low opinion of most AHers as rutabagas is true?  Log in when the Pizza map is up.  Nuff said.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Drunky on October 14, 2002, 07:19:13 PM
LOL

I rate this one with 5 stars already :D
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Wotan on October 14, 2002, 07:57:19 PM
outstanding I give it 5 as well..........
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: poopster on October 14, 2002, 10:43:29 PM
Gotta say, even though VERY unusual for this map, had some great fights tonight dodging the pepperoni and salami..

People felt like fighting tonight.

Now come on you War peoples, win the war :)

Because tomorrow night, I might get stuck flying where Urchin had to fly..

I've been there, it sucks.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Nomde on October 14, 2002, 10:59:59 PM
ROFLMFAO!!!!  :D

hehe, he said....   XXX

The kicks up it's good!! 7 pointers
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: funkedup on October 14, 2002, 11:42:12 PM
2 point conversion!
8 pts!
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: SunKing on October 15, 2002, 12:12:27 AM
This Pizza map ruins the game for me. Only people you find on this map are milk runnin'n ack runners.  All you get are 4 to 1 odds base assults. No one cares, why would they? There are to many bases to care, no threat, just up and sneak one of theirs back, no need to defend. Please remove this gem from rotation till we have the numbers it was made for.
Title: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: Tumor on October 15, 2002, 12:29:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
That my low opinion of most AHers as rutabagas is true?  Log in when the Pizza map is up.  Nuff said.


AWESOME CALL!
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Voss on October 15, 2002, 12:46:08 AM
I love the pizza map.

All I heard after it rotated in, though, were whines.

"Log off you whiners. Let the adults play."

Good post Urchin.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: easymo on October 15, 2002, 01:34:41 AM
All I heard after it rotated in, though, were whines.

"Log off you whiners. Let the adults play."

Remember.  The important thing here, is that voss gets what HE want
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Voss on October 15, 2002, 02:00:36 AM
Lol, well we know what category you fit in easymo.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: easymo on October 15, 2002, 02:09:46 AM
Ya gotta admit.  Voss championing the cause of responsible behavior, is good for a belly laugh.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: beet1e on October 15, 2002, 03:27:04 AM
I never need to log on to AH to know when the pizza map is up. Just look at this board for the whines - which are the same every time.

Looking forward to 1.11/Mission Arena.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: SELECTOR on October 15, 2002, 04:06:31 AM
the pizza map is not perfect, but it offers somthing for everyone..
i like pizza map, and im no milk runner..I for one are quite sick of whinners who constantly bombard the channel 1 with whines when this map comes on, i like keeping this chan open as i like the banter between country's. you guys whinning about pizza makes me sick, so i have to squelch 1.

You spoil the game for me..I hate the mindanao map but i just get on with it , so you do the same.

If you dont like the map why not go to all the effort and make one and then we will judge if that is good..:D

Most whinners are just sheep as i see it..they see certain so called respected players moan about somthing and just follow... sad really..:)
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Wotan on October 15, 2002, 05:02:34 AM
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the pizza map is not perfect, but it offers somthing for everyone..


Are you blind? It offers nothing for some of us. Thats kinda Urchins point.

I agree with him. The map itself aint the problem. Its the lack of good fighting that bores alot of folks.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Voss on October 15, 2002, 05:08:03 AM
Apparently, Pizza is too big for gangs to work well. The La7 is useless (so they tell me; I seem to still find uses for it), canyons make people claustrophobic (much like Mindanao does me), and everyone milk runs (presenting many oppurtunities to STOP them).

This is one map you can always find a fight on, yet people say there are no fights to be found. Well, just tonight I may have discovered why. Despite the fact that the map zoom keys are well documented, there are a lot of people that don't know how to use them. At least, I had to explain this to a few that didn't whine and leave for the TA. Further, people don't even know the interface well enough to turn off a few icons and actually see where people are congregating. Sad.

You'd think those flashing icons would be dead giveaways, yet...
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Wotan on October 15, 2002, 05:28:43 AM
those flashing icons are mostly a couple of gvs. You kill umm they leave and come back later. I know how to use zoom. So does Urchin. Thats what he maent by "just log in" to that map. Turn off map icons and you will see what he means.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Heinkel on October 15, 2002, 05:58:11 AM
Yawwnnn. Just logged on this morning and to my disliking, the piZzZzZa was up. Well, it took me all of about 5 seconds to log off. There was many flashing icons, too bad they were all HQ factories. I guess this map is good if you are worried about rank.....
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: lazs2 on October 15, 2002, 08:05:48 AM
once in a while you will find a good fite between two close fields and it will be a good fur cause no one wants to ruin it..  the strat weenies and building battlers  are all out gorging themselves on defensless fields and don't notice ya...

If you don't find one of these pockets of action.... Well, Urchin called it.

beetle.. you don't have to log into the arena to know it is the pizza map... just get to the numbers screen and if the numbers are down 25% or so... it is pizza time or night time.
lazs
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Goth on October 15, 2002, 08:22:00 AM
Can't believe I am saying this but, I agree with Urchin.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Ripsnort on October 15, 2002, 08:30:39 AM
Most like the pizza map as this poll shows.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=64799&referrerid=3203
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Apache on October 15, 2002, 08:35:27 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Most like the pizza map as this poll shows.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=64799&referrerid=3203


...of those that responded to said poll.

Me, I don't like it at all.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Shane on October 15, 2002, 08:41:58 AM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Most like the pizza map as this poll shows.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=64799&referrerid=3203


don't you just love stats?

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64246

:D
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Widewing on October 15, 2002, 11:55:39 AM
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Originally posted by Wotan


Are you blind? It offers nothing for some of us. Thats kinda Urchins point.

I agree with him. The map itself aint the problem. Its the lack of good fighting that bores alot of folks.


Gentlemen, if you want to catch fish, ya gotta go where the fish are. The problem is that this is a huge lake and the damn fish don't school, except for the piranhas (gangbang hordes attacking undefended fields).

There's lots of opportunities for small fights, but more often than not, these turn out to be n00bs and basically you end up simply padding scores. This map requires minimal SA skills, simply because there's few enemies to watch. Challenges are few and far between.

Last night I bombed and rocketed GVs for what seemed like forever. This gets old quickly. So I upped an Osti and sneaked onto a Bish airfield, killing 10 aircraft before being hit by a bomb. Well, the fight was exciting, but the trip takes too long.

Maybe one might want to pad their bomber or attack score by hitting a factory. Forget it. There's a mob already there waiting for something to come up, so that they can all race to kill it... Except when the train pulls in and they scatter like sparrows when the cat shows up.

Want to try something different? Then try this. Take a light bomber (I prefer the SBD), fly (alone) to a small enemy field, deack it with bombs and guns, then wait for one or two weenies to take off for the "easy" kill. Then beat the snot out of them until they resort to Ostis and M16s. At this point, head for home. Trust me, these dorks will up and follow you. Once they are clear of the field, drag them into a canyon, turn around and beat 'em up again. Do it right and you'll get home with several kills and the satisfaction of having done it with one of the least aircraft in the plane set.

Sure, this amounts to nothing more than clubbing n00bs. But what else are you supposed to do on this map if you don't want to join the piranhas attacking undefended fields?

As usual, a few fights evolve around CVs. Unfortunately, it takes hours to get a CV anywhere near an enemy base. Even then, there's no promise that the enemy will respond. I sank two enemy TGs last night with Cruiser guns, for lack of anything else to do. A grand total of 3 aircraft rose up from these CVs, and I killed those early on with my FM-2. When no more came up, I manned a turret.... Pretty dull, unless you like this sort of thing.

Again, when there's 15 or more CVs on the map, there's little effort made to kill them. Morever, with a gozillion airfields, there's little reason to use them and it can take many hours to get them anywhere where they may be useful anyway.

Sure, there are some really good fights on this map. Unfortunately, they are generally rare. If we had another 200 players it would be a great venue, but as it is, it's simply too vast, being 4 times the area of the other maps.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: humble on October 15, 2002, 12:14:09 PM
Your all missing the real issue here...what happened to the other 5 bottles of beer. You can't have a pizza with just 1 beer. I think the real strategic value of this map is capturing the hidden beer cooler...the hell with all the other stuff.
Title: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: rogwar on October 15, 2002, 01:29:39 PM
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Originally posted by Urchin
That my low opinion of most AHers as rutabagas is true?  Log in when the Pizza map is up.  Nuff said.


That is a very immature and unintelligent accusation albeit good bait. Say hello to Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston when you see them.

:rolleyes:

I believe the pizza map is a step in AH's evolution. They are learning. We are learning. I personally have fun in every map. However I don't play every day for hours and hours. Maybe the pizza map gets a little old in that situation, and particularly if you are trying to maximize kills/sortie.

I enjoy ground attack mainly these days so the pizza map allows me to do this without having to fight my way in and out 100% of the time. Again, it's variety. Sometimes I like heavy combat and sometimes I like to end game play with a sense of accomplishment. The pizza map seems to promote more squad action and teamwork as well. It has also helped us become more organized for the other maps in the MA.

Also, the pizza map has been a good place for me to transition some newer players learning jabo from the training arena to the main arena. The pizza map can be less of a meat grinder as in some of the other maps. This helps build confidence.

I SCUBA dive alot all over the world and have always treated your species with respect and dignity. We only ask the same behavior in return.
Title: Re: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: Animal on October 15, 2002, 01:59:36 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


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Originally posted by rogwar


That is a very immature and unintelligent accusation albeit good bait. Say hello to Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston when you see them.

:rolleyes:

I believe the pizza map is a step in AH's evolution. They are learning. We are learning. I personally have fun in every map. However I don't play every day for hours and hours. Maybe the pizza map get a little old in that situation, and if you are trying to maximize your kills/sortie.

I enjoy ground attack mainly these days so the pizza map allows me to do this without having to fight my way in and out 100% of the time. Again, it's variety. Sometimes I like heavy combat and sometimes I like to end game play with a sense of accomplishment. The pizza map seems to promote more squad action and teamwork as well. It has also helped us become more organized for the other maps in the MA.

Also, the pizza map has been a good place for me to transition some newer players learning jabo from the training arena to the main arena. The pizza map can be less of a meat grinder as in some of the other maps. This helps build confidence.

I SCUBA dive alot all over the world and have always treated your species with respect and dignity. We only ask the same behavior in return.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: beet1e on October 15, 2002, 02:53:45 PM
EEK!

Rogwar, I stepped on one of those when climbing out of the sea up some rocks. Doh, I had dozens of spines in my foot but unlike wood splinters, those things just break up when you try to remove them. I had to wait for most of the spines to work their way out - last one took 6 months. :eek: :mad:
Title: Be careful in Spongepant's territory
Post by: rogwar on October 15, 2002, 03:07:10 PM
I have been around a lot of them but thankfully have not yet gotten hit. Some even have about 12 inch spines on them. They can be particularly annoying in heavy surge or current areas. You could just get washed into them. This almost happened to me a couple of years ago several times diving off the Pacific coast of Costa Rica during several days of heavy current and surge. Luckily I was one of the few in our group who missed getting spines in hands, arms, or legs. The 12 to 14 foot long Bull Sharks were awesome and worth the risk.

It's important to always maintain boyancy control while diving!

DAN (Divers Alert Network) is a good resource for information as well as diving insurance. I subscribe to their preferred plan because it contains medical evacuation coverage when out of the country for any type of travel.
Some sea urchins are covered with sharp venom-filled spines that can easily penetrate and break off into the skin. Others (found in the South Pacific) may have small pincerlike appendages that grasp their victims and inoculate them with venom from a sac within each pincer.

Sea urchin punctures or stings are painful wounds, most often of the hands or feet. If a person receives many wounds simultaneously, the reaction may be so severe as to cause extreme muscle spasm, difficulty in breathing, weakness and collapse.

The Treatment

Immerse the wound in non-scalding hot water to tolerance (110 to 113 F / 43.3 to 45 C). This frequently provides pain relief. Other field remedies, such as application of vinegar or urine, are less likely to diminish the pain. If necessary, administer pain medication appropriate to control the pain.

Carefully remove any readily visible spines. Do not dig around in the skin to try to fish them out - this risks crushing the spines and making them more difficult to remove. Do not intentionally crush the spines. Purple or black markings in the skin immediately after a sea urchin encounter do not necessarily indicate the presence of a retained spine fragment. The discoloration more likely is dye leached from the surface of a spine, commonly from a black urchin (Diadema species). The dye will be absorbed over 24 to 48 hours, and the discoloration will disappear. If there are still black markings after 48 to 72 hours, then a spine fragment is likely present.

If the sting is caused by a species with pincer organs, use hot water immersion, then apply shaving cream or a soap paste and shave the area.

Seek the care of a physician if spines are retained in the hand or foot, or near a joint. They may need to be removed surgically, to minimize infection, inflammation and damage to nerves or important blood vessels.

If the wound shows any sign of infection (extreme redness, pus, swollen regional lymph glands) or if a spine has penetrated deeply into a joint, the injured person (particularly one with impairment of his or her immune system) should be started by a qualified health professional on an antibiotic, taking into consideration the possibility of a Vibrio infection.

If a spine puncture in the palm of the hand results in a persistent swollen finger(s) without any sign of infection (fever, redness, swollen lymph glands in the elbow or armpit), then it may become necessary to treat the injured person with a seven- to 14-day course of a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (e.g., ibuprofen) or, in a more severe case, oral prednisone, a corticosteroid medication.

Remember: it's best to keep away from urchins!
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: loser on October 15, 2002, 03:50:56 PM
Urchin i dont mind the map actually, other than it is hard for me to fly my choice of ride (spit 5) at the high alts.

Think of it this way, if the pizza map comes up you can log off.  This will give you plenty of time to shave your back and what not.


:D
Title: Re: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: MrLars on October 15, 2002, 03:58:29 PM
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Originally posted by rogwar


I SCUBA dive alot all over the world and have always treated your species with respect and dignity. We only ask the same behavior in return.



Here in California we crack open urchins and feed them to the Garibaldi, best use for 'em IMO.
Title: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: Puck on October 15, 2002, 04:19:31 PM
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Originally posted by Urchin
That my low opinion of most AHers as rutabagas is true?  Log in when the Pizza map is up.  Nuff said.


Leave my cats out of this.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Airhead on October 15, 2002, 05:03:25 PM
Your cats play Aces High?
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: -ammo- on October 15, 2002, 05:11:11 PM
I love the pizza map. I guess I am the exception, I always seem to find a good fight in there.  I turn off the icons and find the biggest concentration and off I go.  I like it for idesign as well.  Now, alot of my squadmates dont like it either:D
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Gixer on October 16, 2002, 03:58:25 AM
I can live with Pizza map if need be. My main problem I find with it is the god awful texture. I don't know about you guys but maybe I'm going blind but as I find it alot harder to see other aircraft against the brownish textured mess then any other map.

Unless of course I'm diving in on 3 CV IB Lancs, but that's a whole other thread.


:)



...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
Title: Re: Be careful in Spongepant's territory
Post by: Lazerus on October 16, 2002, 04:13:12 AM
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Originally posted by rogwar
urchins are covered with sharp venom-filled spines that can easily penetrate and break off into the skin. Others may have small pincerlike appendages that grasp their victims and inoculate them with venom from a sac within each pincer. >


Now I know why he calls himself Urchin

:D
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Imp on October 16, 2002, 05:56:47 AM
A full screen map might help find a fight on the pizza map since its so cluttered and hard to read even when zoomed up.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Scot on October 16, 2002, 06:00:10 AM
Urchin,   You JUST CARE TOO MUCH MAN :D !

Be you Babay!

Title: Re: Re: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: rogwar on October 16, 2002, 09:25:13 AM
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Originally posted by MrLars



Here in California we crack open urchins and feed them to the Garibaldi, best use for 'em IMO.


I have read some about the sea urchin population getting out of balance off the coast of California. They destroyed some major kelp beds. I believe man was somewhat responsible as well because we diminished some of the predators of the urchin in that area.

Kelp beds are a great a memorable dive for sure!
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: SirLoin on October 16, 2002, 11:44:54 AM
Anyone have that AH Con picture of Urchin running around without his pants?..He is one serious dude..!



:D
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: gofaster on October 16, 2002, 02:31:35 PM
Whenever the Pizza map is up, I just go find a good launching place and make a gv assault on something.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: Shane on October 16, 2002, 02:55:41 PM
awright which one of you (lurking) lamers downgraded the thread rating??

:mad:
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: paintmaw on October 16, 2002, 06:44:29 PM
don't you love seeing these 2 page responces from some lonesome guy explaining why he likes or dislikes a post . Pizza map sucks , but I can live with it , just not fly till is fizzles away
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: MrLars on October 16, 2002, 07:06:40 PM
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Originally posted by rogwar


I have read some about the sea urchin population getting out of balance off the coast of California. They destroyed some major kelp beds. I believe man was somewhat responsible as well because we diminished some of the predators of the urchin in that area.

Kelp beds are a great a memorable dive for sure!


Yeah, with the demise of the otter population here the urchins have propogated enough that they are in danger of destroying some of the best kelp forrests that can be seen. That's why I feed them to other fish. Our state fish, the Garibaldi, gets the bulk of them from me.
Title: Re: Ever need proof?
Post by: AKIron on October 17, 2002, 12:04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Urchin
That my low opinion of most AHers as rutabagas is true?  Log in when the Pizza map is up.  Nuff said.


I dunno about most AHers but you certainly have some of them pegged. Never has there been so much whining by so few.
Title: Ever need proof?
Post by: vorticon on October 17, 2002, 01:01:23 PM
dont like the map being used eh...then come to hth while its up and take in some of our unique culture.