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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pongo on October 14, 2002, 11:30:45 PM
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sigh
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they'll get this guy.
abberations like this are the price we pay for having a free society. sometimes we all bear the burden.... the victims here are in a way martyrs to a free america. god bless every one of them.
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Freedom is not free.
Exactly.
Still... I recall a statistic from the FBI stating that there are no less than 30 serial killers amongst us in the United States at any time.
Mr. DC just happens to be the flavor of the moment... and he's got a new angle, serial sniping while roving about a metropolitan area.
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I hope the FBI has their top men working long hours on this guy.
No mercy after he is found.
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both sisters living in circle of shootings :(
both are scared crapless ...
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The reward for information sky-rocketed from $50,000 to $500,000 and rising.
Do bounty hunters operate in this area or is the manhunt strictly federal business?
Just curious.
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What a horrible thing to have your wife killed as you stand next to her loading the car in a parking lot.
I hope Maryland/DC has the death penalty.
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If they catch him alive they are gonna claim he is insane and keep him in a mental institution for study the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by Animal
The reward for information sky-rocketed from $50,000 to $500,000 and rising.
Do bounty hunters operate in this area or is the manhunt strictly federal business?
Just curious.
Bet money more than one manhunter on the loose in the area hunting this nutbag(s) but seems like pure luck to be in the right place at the right time to catch them in the act..
If continues I'd expect to see the place become a police state real quick. Armed soldiers at every corner, look like a CNN broadcast from Israel :(
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Sure, bounty hunters work around MD/DC/VA...
but I dunno exactly how they're gonna catch this person(s), unless they are in the right place at the right time to shoot him/them.
This person(s) has left behind very few clues and could possibly be using a decoy too (the white astrovan)..
In any event, I'm not scared... but in the past year and a few months simply going to work has been getting more dangerous in this area.
-SW
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Freedom is not free.
Exactly.
Still... I recall a statistic from the FBI stating that there are no less than 30 serial killers amongst us in the United States at any time.
Mr. DC just happens to be the flavor of the moment... and he's got a new angle, serial sniping while roving about a metropolitan area.
this ain't the same thing, but so glad you can just generalize it away :rolleyes:
aren't most serial killings sexual in nature? Hidden, with the perp trying to kill and get away with it so he can do it again when the urge arises. THis guy wants the spotlight on him and can't see him getting his rocks off sexually doing it. This is cold blooded murder. PLanned, executed possibly organized by someone other than the shooter(s).
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Originally posted by Eagler
THis guy wants the spotlight on him and can't see him getting his rocks off sexually doing it.
That's probably why you are not a serial killer. The power of the act could be getting him off. He's loving the the people he kills, the police, the FBI, the media, the states, the country. Hell most of the west is watching this guy.
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Can't help but wonder if this guy has a few certain targets that he's after and all the other folks are being used to hide the connection between the few "real" targets, thus hindering the investigation even more.
Sounds like the guy is real miticulous. Gonna be hard to catch him w/o alot of luck. Kinda reminds me of that Charon character out of one of Clancy's books.....
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I've just been informed by an acquaintance in the DC area that the latest victim was the wife of a co-worker (He works in a firm of 170 employees) and his wife was an FBI analyst. Guess this investigation will be stepped up a notch.
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Whatever he is,he obviously has had a hell of a lot of training to do the shooting he/she's done...I hope he is an Arab terrorist and they torture his sorry bellybutton when they nab him...:mad:
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Sirloin
I am not sure what you mean by training, as far as military or not. There are many people in this country who can make these shots hunters, sport shooters, military, trained terrorists, and most definately more.
The sniper is being smart, making only one shot and then moving on whether he kills or not. Unless the authorities get lucky by being in the right place at the right time they are not going to catch him.
I hope I am wrong.
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With the success of Silence of The Lambs, Hollywood has replaced The Drug Lord, with serial killers. They are the main villain in a long list of recent movies. Since most of Hollywood spends half the time "on the couch". A quick Freudian explanation for these atrocities, appeals to them. So we end up getting this theory shoved down our throats on a regular basis. I ain't buying it. I belive that some people are simply evil. This shooter definitely quilifies. Shooting a little boy, a decent man with 6 children, a woman right in front of her husband. This would indicate a depraved indifference to his targets. The shooter is simply evil, and should be dealt with as such.
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Originally posted by Eagler
this ain't the same thing, but so glad you can just generalize it away :rolleyes:
aren't most serial killings sexual in nature? Hidden, with the perp trying to kill and get away with it so he can do it again when the urge arises. THis guy wants the spotlight on him and can't see him getting his rocks off sexually doing it. This is cold blooded murder. PLanned, executed possibly organized by someone other than the shooter(s).
You know how many people were murdered in DC alone in 2000?
Over 200.
I didn't take the the time to add in all the other outlying areas in Virginia and Maryland.
Mr. KnuckleheadSniper is good print and he sells advertising. Other than that he's not much more than a pimple on the statistics.
Which state will try him? Or... will it be Federal? If it's federal, didn't they just ban the death penalty? In any case... kill one, you're a murder. Kill ten, and you're a nutcase.
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These guys aint got long till they cops or maybe even a citizen get them.
This is where the death penelty isn't enough.
Cowards
:mad:
sad, thing is that there are 2 of them and probaly taking turns or have the same kinda rifle and have split up.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You know how many people were murdered in DC alone in 2000?
Over 200.
I didn't take the the time to add in all the other outlying areas in Virginia and Maryland.
Mr. KnuckleheadSniper is good print and he sells advertising. Other than that he's not much more than a pimple on the statistics.
Which state will try him? Or... will it be Federal? If it's federal, didn't they just ban the death penalty? In any case... kill one, you're a murder. Kill ten, and you're a nutcase.
If caught let's assume he's declared insane. We put rabid dogs down why not those humans that commit acts that make them inhuman?
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Originally posted by AKIron
If caught let's assume he's declared insane. We put rabid dogs down why not those humans that commit acts that make them inhuman?
Askin' the wrong guy... I just live here. I don't make the rules. ;)
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Yer old enough to vote right?
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Old enough to vote for quite some time... and yes, I do (at every election).
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Glad to hear it, guess you have some influence on those "rules" after all. :)
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AKIron: Yer old enough to vote right?
Unfortunately too many people are voting left...
miko
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Originally posted by miko2d
AKIron: Yer old enough to vote right?
Unfortunately too many people are voting left...
miko
hehe, you spoiled my subliminal suggestion ;)
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This is why its VERY IMPORTANT to research which judges you vote for in your elections. If liberal judges are successful, they nominated later on in life for supreme court positions. RESEARCH before you vote.
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Didn't the Federal Supreme Court make the ruling?
Not sure how voting changes Supreme Court opinion...
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Whatever he is,he obviously has had a hell of a lot of training to do the shooting he/she's done...
Nope.
"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65639,00.html
"They're clever, he said, but not pros. The longest shot to date was 100 yards, and most of the victims were standing still or walking in a straight line toward or away from the shooter.
"It's the kind of thing that if you've never shot a rifle before in your life, you and I could spend 90 minutes together and you can do this," said Haney, a 20-year combat veteran.
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The new black panthers are out looking for this guy too...
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Didn't the Federal Supreme Court make the ruling?
Not sure how voting changes Supreme Court opinion...
EARLY in their careers, they're usually on a ballot, watch their behavior then...
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Whatever he is,he obviously has had a hell of a lot of training to do the shooting he/she's done...I hope he is an Arab terrorist and they torture his sorry bellybutton when they nab him...:mad:
Nonsense. My wife went range shooting for the first time in her life a couple years back with my grandfather. He gave her a .22 hunting rifle with a medicore scope and a target at 100 yards. After half an hour, she was hitting every shot within an inch of where she was aiming.
To call this cold blooded murderer a "sniper" is giving him way, way too much credit.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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NO DEATH PENALTY FOR THIS KIND OF SCUMBAG
Torture, maybe.
But its very important that he is caught alive so that we can study his mind and motivations, wich would aid greatly in future investigations.
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9 kill shots with 11 bullets..This guy/guys had training.
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Originally posted by Animal
NO DEATH PENALTY FOR THIS KIND OF SCUMBAG
Torture, maybe.
But its very important that he is caught alive so that we can study his mind and motivations, wich would aid greatly in future investigations.
I can see your point on the second part...
Torture? I don't want to live in a country that thinks torture is okay.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
9 kill shots with 11 bullets..This guy/guys had training.
All shots less than 100 yards. I could teach you to do that in 30 min.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
All shots less than 100 yards.
Are you certain of this, Rip? I haven't been able to find this information...
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I can see your point on the second part...
Torture? I don't want to live in a country that thinks torture is okay.
I'm not saying what I want to happen, I'm saying what will happen if he gets caught alive.
He will get psychologically tortured. They will break him down to the point he wished he never started this. And then, when his mind is wide open, the studying really begins and we reverse-engineer his twisted mind.
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You are one scary individual, Animal. :)
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The shots at night indicate at least a 4 power scope was used.
Anyone with a scoped rifle is a marksman. Do it with iron sights and it takes a trained person. Scope or iron sights you can bet the person is at least using the seat(s) as a bench, or they have a bench setup in the rear of the vehicle.
Notice how after the media experts cited geographical profiling that the shooter started ranging further for the targets?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
You are one scary individual, Animal. :)
Maybe so, but I mean well :)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Are you certain of this, Rip? I haven't been able to find this information...
No I am not certain, but this is what is being reported.
Ref:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65639,00.html
If I was certain, the FBI would probably want to speak with me.
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Originally posted by 2Slow
The shots at night indicate at least a 4 power scope was used.
Anyone with a scoped rifle is a marksman. Do it with iron sights and it takes a trained person. Scope or iron sights you can bet the person is at least using the seat(s) as a bench, or they have a bench setup in the rear of the vehicle.
Notice how after the media experts cited geographical profiling that the shooter started ranging further for the targets?
I shot 2 deer in my life at 125 yards, with iron sites, both deer moving, one hit in the neck, the other just behind the front leg (instant kill, right thru the heart). I am not a marksman.
OTOH, my gunnery sucks in AH. :D
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Originally posted by 2Slow
The shots at night indicate at least a 4 power scope was used.
Every shot at night was at someone in a very well lit area.
-SW
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No I am not certain, but this is what is being reported.
Ref:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65639,00.html
If I was certain, the FBI would probably want to speak with me.
I see where you go it...
They're clever, he said, but not pros. The longest shot to date was 100 yards, and most of the victims were standing still or walking in a straight line toward or away from the shooter.
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This guy has redefined the word coward, for me. He had to use a scope mounted rifle, to kill a 13 year old boy. That is pathetic by any standard.
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Well, I'll take that a step further Easymo, and out of the context of this thread...., any hunter that needs a scope to kill an animal is a lousy hunter IMO. Iron sites or Bow and arrow, otherwise your a wussie in my book.
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Do compound bows count?
Got a Martin Lynx in the closet. :)
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I just believe in giving them a chance, hunting means stalking your prey silently, carefully, in order to get a good shot, not sitting on some bluff from 250 yards and picking out your deer/elk.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
9 kill shots with 11 bullets..This guy/guys had training.
Boy Scouts
Rifle Shooting Merit Badge.
When I was a scout, I qualified first in my group and i had never fired a weapon in my life. I was 14 years old.
It just gos to show how easy it really is.
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Same here Rip, that's why I only hunt with a rusty spoon. I haven't killed anything yet, but I've managed to piss off a rabbit though.
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thread is oficially de-railed.
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So, I guess it's despicable to go hunting with RPGs?
Fek... and I was getting such clean kills too!
-SW
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Originally posted by UserName
Same here Rip, that's why I only hunt with a rusty spoon. I haven't killed anything yet, but I've managed to piss off a rabbit though.
Thats what I use to gut live bear with.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Didn't the Federal Supreme Court make the ruling?
Not sure how voting changes Supreme Court opinion...
You do know who appoints those Justices don't ya?
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Yes I do.
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they should take this dude (if they catch him), tie him to a pole, and give 20 people old fashioned daisy bb guns...then they just keep shooting at him until he dies. I bet that would hurt really bad. He deserves it.
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I wonder where Dick Cheney is right now.
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Ripsnort wrote:
All shots less than 100 yards. I could teach you to do that in 30 min.
I don't think you cant each me to kill a human at 100 yards in 30 minutes. It'd take more conditioning than that.
Unless, of course, I have mental issues.
So while it technically is quite easy to aim and shoot something at that distance, if it's a person, things change.
So either we got something aking to a psychopath, or we got someone who's been conditioned into not having problems with pulling the trigger.
Got yer point though rip, and it is a valid one. :)
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Not to be morbid, but these shootings have given credit to the 5.56mm round.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Not to be morbid, but these shootings have given credit to the 5.56mm round.
Yeah, I remember that thread in the OT forum here a few months back...
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Originally posted by gofaster
I wonder where Dick Cheney is right now.
Undisclosed location. :)
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I think you'd be quite surprised at the number of people who could pull the trigger. Its just those that don't have the URGE to do it.
Originally posted by StSanta
So while it technically is quite easy to aim and shoot something at that distance, if it's a person, things change.
So either we got something aking to a psychopath, or we got someone who's been conditioned into not having problems with pulling the trigger.
Got yer point though rip, and it is a valid one. :)
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Its just those that don't have the URGE to do it.
...well, there was that ONE time during the republican primary..
..but after smokin a fat one and changin the kitty litter the urge left me.
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Wow that CNN article screams terrorist all over it.
These guys are terrorists.
Why would two serial killers behave in this way?
The farthest the guy has hit a moving target is 50 meters? What a sniper.
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Aren't all serial killers terrorists?
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no
terrorists have a political aggenda
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I'm sure it's not limited to political agendas...
Some social agendas come to mind.
Other than that, I think you're right.
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Dont be fooled by the media's use of the term "sniper." The shots he is making (mainly upper torso as I understand it) are within 200 yards on average. Anyone in the military knows this isnt exactly difficult. As was stated previously, someone with even rudimentary weapons knowledge can teach a green chap how to do this.
Im sure that the Marine Recon and Army Ranger scout snipers are downright insulted by the comparison... they're used to shooting at moving targets at 800 yards... not a woman loading groceries at 150... Hes a murderer not a marksman.
Both my sisters are going to college in the DC area... hope this guy is caught soon. :mad:
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Just suppose it is terrorism. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37794-2002Oct16.html)
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Certainly it's terrorism. Whether for some foreign or domestic cause or just someone getting the thrill of murder and terrorizing many remains to be seen.
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I thought the same thing, AKIron. After Pongo's post, I started digging and in the strictest sense of the word, it's not terrorism unless there is a social or political agenda. Doing it for the thrill doesn't really count.
Certainly, any serial murderer can cause feelings of terror, but I gather that it's not the same thing.
Of course, I could be wrong...
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According to this source terrorism need not be politically motivated.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
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Exactly... I don't see thrill murders fitting that description.
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I think intimidation of society is likely to be at least part of his motivation even if only for the thrill. We may never know.
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Well.
I guess if you think of two yahoos 'terrorizing' a neibrohood as terrorsts. That is not the accepted use of the word terrorist. Terrorists have a polittical agenda.
The ranges these shots were made seem to be much less then people think from that article. Very short shots.
They sound like IRA type guys to me. Not afiliated with that orgination at all, but that kind of campaign of urban terror.
The world is changing.
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I think these guys or guy will be similar to that wacko at the El Al counter at LAX. Sort of a lonewolf terrorist on his own agenda. Not necessarily affiliated with Al Quiada, but maybe a supporter.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I think these guys or guy will be similar to that wacko at the El Al counter at LAX. Sort of a lonewolf terrorist on his own agenda. Not necessarily affiliated with Al Quiada, but maybe a supporter.
Agreed, however if its not, I'm sticking to my "White male, 20-something, angry loner" theory."
Wouldn't it be interesting if it turns out to be a man/woman team?