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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: muckmaw on October 15, 2002, 01:30:37 PM
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Something that came to mind from another thread.
We have 2 communities in AH. You've got your gamers and your simmers.
I'm curious to know which side of the fence you fall on. (Some guys need not answer...We already know)
Here's my deifinitions. Some may apply to you. Some may not. But chances are you fall, generally into one the 2 categories.
Simmer: (AKA Stratweeny, Scorepotato, BuffDweeb, Little general)
Interested in the subtle nuances of the game. Would not mind if you had to go through a preflight start up sequence and taxi out to a runway to fly. Would like ATC and Flight Patterns Etc. You prefer organized missions with stated objectives, and value leaders who command the missions with great skill. You consider strategic targets when entering a mission, and have no qualms about flying extended periods of time to reach an objective. You like your flight model as accurate, and complicated as possible, and you don't mind reading a textbook just to learn how to raise your landing gear.
Gamer: (AKA Quaker, Mindless Furballer, Suicide Dweed)
You want your action fast and furious. If given the chance, you would take an Airstart at 10K everytime. No need for landing gear here, you will fly until you die, or Auger when there's nothing left to shoot. You want dogfights no more than 5 mins. away, and an unlimited ammo feature would suit you just fine. Flight model is still important, but if it's not 100% dead on, you can live with it. Resets, base captures and Bombing are words not in your vocabulary. You only need one button on your stick, and that's to fire your guns.
Now, I know these are extreme cases, but which category would you place yourself?
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Simmer most defintely.
I like working with the realities as they exist in AH and striving to be successfull whether it's killing an enemy, destroying a refinery or capturing a base.
And, yes, score does matter to me. I use it not necessarily to compare myself to other people but as a tool to gauge my improvement.
Gaming IMO is for 13 year olds and people with A.D.D. ;)
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Depends who I wanna piss off.
-SW
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both. depends on my mood at the time. ... and on how much time I have.
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I apparently fall in the middle. Definetly not a simmer and your definition of gamer doesn't fit me either.
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I want to furball in the most realistic possible simulation of an aircraft.
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Like I said, my definition are extreme cases. I just did that for demonstration purposes.
If you fall in the middle, please define yourself.
Me for example. If I have time, I am definitly a simmer. On squad nights, and any night my wife works, I'm a simmer.
If I need a quick fix, and my time is limited, I still want all the realism possible, but I'm just looking for a quick fight.
If I had to choose one style of play forever, I would no doubt be a simmer.
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I was having a hard time classifying myself, and feel you may be making some assumptions that are too generalized. I would classify it as such:
Flight Models
Simulation supporter - Someone who wants high fidelity in the flight models from a mid-ground perspective to full fidelity of every system.
Arcade Player- Someone who wants an easier model from the middle ground down to the arcade level.
Game Models
Real Time Strategy player - Someone who wants an organized capture the map war, but not necessarily one that reflects a WW2 reality.
Scenario player - Someone who wants realistic missions that don't necessarily involve upping a goon to grab A13, unless you're recreating Operation Market Garden, etc.
Furballer- Quick action, quick fights, no real worry about death.
Role Playing Gamer - Someone who likes to be ranked, get medals, improve score and standing, etc. (works best with either the RTS or Scenario approach).
I would classify myself as a simulation-leaning gamer who likes both scenarios and furballing. I like RPGs in single player games, but would likely play in the mission arena for the scenario opportunities while furballing in the MA when the mood strikes.
Charon
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I want to have fun.
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Simmer
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"Stratweeny, Scorepotato, BuffDweeb, Little general,Quaker, Mindless Furballer, Suicide Dweed"
I guess I have been all these things depending upon how much beer I have had.
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Jokes on all of you, if you fly in the MA you ain't a simmer.
-SW
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Gamer===================================Simmer
............................. ............................. ....x;)x........
Maybe about right here ort tah do....
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We have a myriad of personalities here. To categorize is futile.
Charon's defs. are good, but I can take some of several and put myself there.
I'm a furballer. I like quick action but air starts would be stupid. I like the fight but hate getting shot down. I attempt to land every sortie. I like to fly as I think the real guys did, ala role playing, but score and medals do not interest me. I do watch my stats, but that is pure competition with myself.
I get to fly 20 to 30 hours a month. The war doesn't interest me in the least, however, I am just as competitve as the rest. I don't like to lose. I just keep it on a smaller scale, what with my limited mental capacity and all. :)
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I want to furball in the most realistic possible simulation of an aircraft.
I want to have fun.
Jokes on all of you, if you fly in the MA you ain't a simmer.
-SW
About sums it up for me. I do find it funny that folks who spend all their time in the main would consider themselves simmers. The main simulates very little but it can be very fun.
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the MA is just training for the real thing........scenarios
one life ...one plane
44MAG
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I like to fly the best simulated WWII ac possible in an action packed game with as much parity and variety as possible.
lazs
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There is absolutley no question the MA is a game and not a sim. I never said it was.
But we don't have an alternative at this time, do we?
Combat theatre? MA Light.
Mission Arena? remains to be seen.
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Okay, so calling yourself a simmer at this point would be nullified by flying in the MA.
-SW
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Ok drunky you gotta yer self stuck there, (Little history coming up about me)
First of all you just insulted the hell outta me.
Second of all, you have no right talking about A.D.D ppl and 13 year olds.
See im 14 years old in 9th grade,
And the thing is im a Simmer I like realistic games, but i do fall into some gamer catagory now and then when i get upset.
Now I expect an apolgy to be posted and an explanation on why you said that.
Im deeply insulted by your comment whether your joking or not.
I know some A.D.D Ppl that are simmers including myself.
Hawklore
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14 years old, and his punctuation and grammar are better than most of the adults I know.:eek:
Well, I'm impressed.
Wtg, Hawk.
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Okay, so calling yourself a simmer at this point would be nullified by flying in the MA.
-SW
Alright, what would you prescribe, SW?
I am a simmer. What can I do? Fly TOD's? Never miss them. Fly Snapshots? Every last one. Fly CAP? Time conflict. Can't do it.
Just because a person flies the MA does not detract from their personality. It's a simple matter of not having a choice at this point.
In my perfect little world, I would have all the things I defined for a simmer. Tell me where I can get all that in an MMORPG and I'm there.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
First of all you just insulted the hell outta me.
Second of all, you have no right talking about A.D.D ppl and 13 year olds.
First, I don't live my life trying to avoid insulting or offending people. As I have said before I am not PC or a touchie-feelie kind of guy.
Second...FREE SPEECH baby
Third...I'm a 33 year old, alchoholic who's a little A.D.D. myself. I was hyper also as a child and on Ritalin. So don't mind me when I piss in the same pot as you.
As far as expecting an apology...well, I expect you will be disappointed.
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I'am in both catagories but lean more toward the simmer side:)
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I shoot stuff… I bomb stuff… I capture stuff… I shoot stuff…
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Both.
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Whatever I feel like doing on any given time I log in. I don't think it's important in the least to label myself one way or the other.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Alright, what would you prescribe, SW?
A little dose of a new FDA approved drug known as "Relax"...
All I'm saying is... you ain't a simmer. None of us ever could be. Not in this environment, not on any PC based piece of software.
So, starting a thread to try and label a particular group of people something is kind of.. well.. dumb... we're all playing the same game in the same arena with the same tools and at the same rate ($$).
If you can see a difference between a "simmer" who goes to his target and get his bellybutton shot out of the sky, thusly never making it back to base but destroying his target, and a "gamer" who goes to their target, dives in, bombs it, and dies due to uber AI ack... then I guess you're just on a horse a lil' higher than mine.
-SW
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Both
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Simmer
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I see plane. I kill plane.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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IMO,
A gamer tries to advance in rank by gaming the scoring.
A simmer is into role playing.
A recreational Virtual Pilot plays to have fun and only to have fun, that's what I am.
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the MA is just training for the real thing........scenarios
Exactly. Can never figure out those guys that extoll the virtues of "flying smart" in the MA. I just see the MA as a place to get in as much practice as possible before you gotta log.
I can hardly wait until HTC releases the Mission Arena. That's a scenario environment where you're supposed to fly smart. It'll be real interesting to see how the more timid sticks from the MA actually stack up. Everyone is going to be winging, putting as much alt as possible under their wings, with their SA cranked up...all serving to take away those easy cherry shots....guys will be forced to find other ways to win...it's gonna be intriguing how things shake out.
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I'm neither.
I'm an idiot who sucks at everything I try.
palef
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gamer=1 simmer=10 i would be an 8
yukon
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Simmer … definitively simmer.
I’m flying in the MA for one reason only: To learn the finer points of ACM in this game/sim (a line from The Battle of Britain comes to mind: “You can teach monkeys to fly better than that!”. A perfect WWII sim would for me be as close to 100% realism as possible. With 1:1 scale world and no navigational or targeting aids. Making perhaps two or three sorties a day with maybe a kill or two if I'm lucky.
I’m really looking forward to the Mission Arena and the upcoming CAP events. :)
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I see plane. I kill plane.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I see plane, I die. That makes me a simmer i suppose:p
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If I've got time and a few squaddies around, simmer. If it's just me feeling the urge to shoot something down before calling it a night, gamer.
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What Apache and Lazs said sums it up here.
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I object to the way you have attempted to define who I am as a human being.
I QUIT!!!!
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Simulation of course. If I wanted to play a game, I'd play WWII Online... :D
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Dear Mr. Rude,
It is with great regret that we, the Aces High community accept your resignaiton.
Please report to the Inhuman Resources department at your earliest convenience so that we may arrange your severance package, and have your gold watch engraved.
We wish you well in all your future endeavours.
Warmest Regards,
:D
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Both.
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Simmer. Most of the time.
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Last tour = Gamer
Every other tour = Simmer
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simmer...... MA is just a place to work on my gunnery.
CAV
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Sinner.
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Both...
Just not any good at either.:rolleyes:
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depends on the mood.
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I am a "have funner"
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Load
Some guys find very atractive wining the war. Others just are happy when they capture a field or they dont let the enemy capture a friendly base. Others just want to spend a while in front of their screen wasting adrenaline. Others are happy when they get a kill and angry when they are shot down. So scores describe only a low % on the guys in the arena,but.....
Ok ..if we only take thist last sort of guys, also you can imagine that several of this guys have a high rank just because they dont want to die, whatever the price...it is their fun of the game, and maybe they are even not thinking in scores when they fly. Ahhhh "This guy only vulchs and fites when he has advtage blah blah blah....he IS a score adiccted!!!!.....maybe not. Maybe he just dont want to die......is his target not to die...just for fun ..not for score. So, lets give a chance to the guys who vulch, gangbang, run home, etc...and lets forget about the score system.
I love to kill as many enemies as I find. I dont want to die never. I dont care about rankings. Just for personal gauge. Am I a simmer? Dunno
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i start out as a simmer , sipping coffee,thinking bout strat and landing all that, coffee runs out, hmm its beer oclock now:), 1st beer still simmer strat oriented, not talking on ch1 cept ta say hello, 4 beers later hmm :D typing on ch1 alot more having good fun death by typing doesnt bother me still hitting strat targets however leaning to furballs, 8 beers later :cool: , screw strat screw typing were the sam hell is the furball, gaming mode only, see how many i kill before i git killed, would love tod but 11:00pm est ferget it i'm allready titsdown in bed sleeping, would love an am est tod while i'm still on coffee:) any how you asked ;)
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Simmer or so...
Is the MA a simulation or a game?
Not so easy to respond!
From a strategic point of view the MA is a simulation for sure.
You will see that numbers/resources are one of the predominant factors - like in RL.
Better organisation can beat numbers - like in RL.
The VHC (Virtual High Command also know as "collective unconsciousness" :D) is stubborn and stupid from time to time attacking useless bases with inappropriate resources (Mindanao - A44 :)) - like in RL.
The VHC tends to repeat mistakes - like in RL.
The VHC likes stupid bravery - like in RL.
Countries almost to the ground come back and fight until victory - like in RL.
A scenario is a simulation with focus on the tactical aspects. Yet it lacks the strategic level. In Midway soon coming the IJN never will sneak in to the west coast (all apart from if this would be *reasonable*)
The radar setup in MA is just a little help to improve the tactical side in the game. It's a compensation of the many many hours of preparation preceeding an operation in RL.
:)
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Something that came to mind from another thread.
We have 2 communities in AH. You've got your gamers and your simmers.
bah
when you turd squirters finally realize that the MA is the GAME and scenarios are the SIM then this discussion will have some meaning.
Tex
until then I'll pay and not fly and laugh at you (and rust, silently)
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im a simmer but i dont like all that stuff about taxing to the runway and starting in the hanger:rolleyes:
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For our purposes a simulation is a category of video game . So that makes all of us gamers .