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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: brady on October 16, 2002, 05:59:32 PM
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NA 1941, on the NEW Libya map by ASW, with new plane skins by Wotan. This map will feature a suto 1941 plane set including the following planes:
Bf 109E & F
Me 110c4
Ju 88
MC 202
P40E
Huricane MK 1
Boston
For all:
C 47
M16
M8
M3
Panzer
No active fleats
The map is available for downloading, and a big TY to HTC, Ronnie, for geting this reworked as quickely as they did, also ASW redid his map to take advantage of the new terain editor features and deserves a big TY for all his hard work. Wotan also volantiered to jump in at the last minute and recollor all the planes so they would feal more realistic for us.
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Bwahahahaha!
The Macchi is gonna 0\/\/|\|Z J00!!!!!
Sounds like a fun setup. Thanks in advance.
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Gonna be time for some allied teamwork!
VF27, we gotta talk :D
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why p40e instead of b?
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If it's late enough in 1941, the Kittyhawk would be the proper plane.
J_A_B
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Damn I gotta get my puter built by Friday now... :D
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Originally posted by J_A_B
If it's late enough in 1941, the Kittyhawk would be the proper plane.
J_A_B
gee, then i wonder what use a p40b will ever see???
shoulda modeled the p40n instead of b...
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Originally posted by Shane
gee, then i wonder what use a p40b will ever see???
shoulda modeled the p40n instead of b...
P-40B is great in the Early War Burma setup. That's about all I 've seen it in. Wouldn't mind seeing a P-40N either.
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Looks good Brady,looks my ju88 can fly in tater free skies:D
c.202 gonna be a killer in here.
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Shane, I bet Brady decided the Allieds needed at least one plane that packed a semblance of a punch considering the Axis get the 109F-4 which has a decent cannon package and also the 110C-4.
If the only Allied fighters were the P-40B and Hurri I it'd be an easy slaughter for the Axis.
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Well, I think this has the makings of a slaughter as it is.... I am looking forward to the p40, but the 202 and the 109f are gonna hand us our hineys. Paritcularly that 202. This is gunna mean major teamwork on the allied side. Hurri 1 will probably do okay, but i bet the stats are going to look terrible for the p40.
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I will leave the 109F in the hanger, so that those hispano packing boys dont get a taste of their own medicine:)
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Whose packing hispanos? are you referring to the seafires?
I thought the e c and f cannons were the same?
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The Emil has a pair of MG/FF cannon that I, for one, can't hit anything with...
The Franz has the hub mounted MG/151 that is far less frustrating.
BTW, I plan on leaving the 109's in the hanger to take advantage of this rare opportunity to fly the 202 and maybe hurt something before I die.
I don't think this will be the slaughter predicted. The P40E has the fire power to make the Axis pay for the slightest mistake and the Hurricane is more than sturdy enough to survive snap shots from the 202.
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OK 880, what we gonna do, surrender or die lol. Think we will take a beating but it is gonna be fun tryin to outsmart those creatures from the darkside, lol!
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HiJacker, we're gonna whup some fanny, that's what we're gonna do. Now, if we can just get some hooks on these land-lubbin' planes, we'll be all set!
Looking forward to the challenge.
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Just downloaded the terrain file to get a jump on it. Nice work guys! I especially like the job done on the 110. Must've taken a lot of time to do that.
mauser
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Mudd, my slaughter comment was only if the P-40B was the other fighter along with the Hurri I. I think the P-40E will make it a more even match against the Emil and Folgore.
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I cant wait!!!!! Man and I have to go somewhere and wont be back untill end of weekend as usuel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save me a hurri while I'm gone!!
Man I havent flown that thing in Months!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Man I wish we had a Gloster Gladiator for this setup!!, that'd really even up the teams for the allies (If I got to fly it anyway :D )!
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109f? not in the setup anywhere?
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pulled out of the line up, some thought it made it too "unfair".
The comprimise was to add the hurri ii but the hispano would effect gameplay far more then it would add balance. There would be no axis gvs and most likely the hurri 2 would be used more then the p40.
As originally designed it was hoped that the p40 vrs the 109f would be the match up.
6 x 50 cals vrs 3 x 20mm (if take gondolas).
The descision was made to pull the 109f.
The 202 / p40 is a good match up.
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I agee Wotan, good decision, its a pretty fair setup right now i think, gonna be fun.
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I hate to see you pull a plane that should have been there, but I guess it will make things a bit more fun for the allied. Was the p40 and the hurri 1 the only allied fighters in 41 libya or is our planeset missing some important ones?
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P40E rips the C202.
You can afford to stay and play and have a very good chance of winning.
Had 3 very good sustained 1v1 fights in P40E v C202 yesterday and landed 3 kill sortie so it can be done.
109F would have been an interesting fight v P40E.
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Originally posted by mauser
Just downloaded the terrain file to get a jump on it. Nice work guys! I especially like the job done on the 110. Must've taken a lot of time to do that.
Mauser - thx :) Wotan did a great job on the skins - really adds to the whole terrain :).
Brady - thx :)) I'm glad to see it used.
Cheers,
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It is great and the skins are great too, but why don't we make use of perk points in the CT?
For situations like the 109F, and the Hurri II, I would think perking them would be a good solution to keep them available but only in smaller numbers?
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Perks are used in the CT from time to time, howeaver implementing their use requires HTC to reset or adjust values so we try and use it sparingly so we (the stafers) dont put them out to often. This set up was imo not one of those ocashions, i thought it would play well without those planes. Ya see the Stafers dont have the tools to do the reseing of values or the perk points themselfs one of the HTC staff has to do it for us.
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Been trying the CT and it's a blast.
Today i killed 2 C 202's in a p40, like cav said u can stay and play.
Also the forgotten Boston is a blast to.
I did a bomb sorty on a VH field at 4K.
I got some ack hits but didn't bother much , the bombs hitted barracks a feulbunker and a gun.
After that a C202 tried to sneak upon me . But i just outran it :)
After a big turn my threeship run home to my vulched base.
A 109 tried to HO me and he got killed on my 4X .50 After that a C202 made the same mistake.
When put my gear out on the landing the 2 bostons dissapeared however.
Anyway the boston is usefull :D
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no .50cals on a boston those are .303s
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O toejame :eek:
But it wins HO
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Ended up in a P-40E vs 3 202's and a 109.......about 5 minutes later I was rtbing 4 kills.....hehehe! ;)
P-40 bleeds E even faster than a Jug, but you can throw her all over the sky ifluff'n ya watch your speed.
Was kinda thinking the Allies got the shaft on this setup, but after flying it for a bit, it just takes some planning ahead. You'll get shot down for sure, but you can get some licks in before ya go down in flames. Even the 110 will outrun the P-40, but if he ever turns........:D
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Originally posted by ergRTC
I hate to see you pull a plane that should have been there, but I guess it will make things a bit more fun for the allied. Was the p40 and the hurri 1 the only allied fighters in 41 libya or is our planeset missing some important ones?
We are missing 2 very important fighters for N Africa, The Gloster Gladiator MkI/II and the Cr.42, but we don't have either :(
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A MC 200 would be nice as well, and a Cant Z 1007 and a G.50 and a welll, ya get my point:)
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After being on both sides of a 202's guns I found myself wondering if HTC had made some sort of mistake and put .303's inside the cowl instead. So I wandered over to the online fighter gun tables and found that the 12.7mm Breda-SAFAT is really short and light round. In short:
7.7mm Breda-SAFAT has a Q-Factor of 2730
12.7mm Breda-SAFAT has a Q-Factor of 4260 (Not a typo)
This gives the 202 a total Q-Factor (at convergence) of 8520 or 13980 depending on loadout.
The M2 on the P-40E has a Q-Factor of 7650!
This gives the P-40E a total of 45900 (at convergence).
In short, when you are popping away at short range with the two cowl mounted Breda-SAFAT, you are just about equivalent to one .50. However the Breda round is 110FPS slower and 25% lighter so the ballistics suck eggs in comparison as well.
Not a whine, just information on the plane.
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I had a great time this Saturday (once I got my joystick problems ironed out...loose hardware of all things:mad:). I flew the P-40 exclusively, except for one C-47 sortie, and it really held it's own in this set up. It's not a powerhouse by any means, and the Axis can control the fight if they play it right, but it is very competative in this setting. I wouldn't want to tangle with a 109 above 12k or so, but below that it is a match for any plane in here. Nice job on the set-up, the map, and the skins.
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Sabre
CT Staff
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TY for saying do sabre, couldent of done it without your input:)
HFMudd, one thing I am not shure your "q" factor is factoring, is that the Italian 12.7 used HEI rounds, so they contain chemical engery. The idea is this if the round can cary some explosive engery to the target than it nead not be so heavy. Also most air to air combat took place at around 400 yards so the lighter and shorter ranged rounds of the Breda are realy in keeping with a different aproach to air to air weaponary, than say that of US rounds and guns. Having said that, by comparision Italian fighters(except series 5 planes) were typicaly armed much like Japanese Army fighter, two 12mm and two 7mm guns all firing primarly chenical engery weapons, HEI or Incendary rounds, even the 7mm rounds had a chemical filling. Now this subject has been debated at length but it is generaly considered that the Breda type rounds would have a good damaging effect do to thier design. Howeaver differing some what from the US 50 cal type weapon which primarly fired a solid AP type round. The solid ap type rounds were intended to defeat the piolet and the engine, while the HEI type rounds were more intended to defeate the plane, it's controll surfices the fuel tanks the airframe by blowing off chunks and seting it afire. The heaver AP rounds pentrated deaper, while the HEI rounds blew chunks off.
Somewhear their is a link showing a 202 on a P40's 6 just wasting it, you can chunks falling off as the rounds hit, old gun cam fottage very cool.
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I knew it, either brady's been taking lessons or he really is hitech in a terrible disguise!
;)
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yeah brady I had that film on my hard drive but lost it......
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Well Wotan seemed to have no trouble last night landing 3 kill sorties in the 202 :D
I'll try to convince 880 to fly the 202 tonight.