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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Cherlie on October 16, 2002, 09:53:31 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/10/16/us.nkorea/index.html
I can smell a big war coming along!
CB
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Won't be a war, it'll be world wide extermination.
-SW
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Yippie!
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Yes!
Eagler:
Park yourself down in that Easy Boy, get on the cordless and order yourself up about 5 months worth of Pabst. Have your Fillipino house boy serve em alongside that tasty Mutton Snapper. Screw "Survivor" or "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", this is IT baby! We'z goin' to WAR!
Ok.. shreck!... just kidding man... chill...
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I hope it's WWIII in the making, we need to mop up the scum of the Earth
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Originally posted by NUKE
I hope it's WWIII in the making, we need to mop up the scum of the Earth
Talking about yourself eh?
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Nice timing on Korea's part..Maybe we should hit them as well as Iraq with a two pronged attack.
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Put yourself in N. Korea's shoes.
It has no allies, it has no world-dependent resources (aka, OIL), it is not surrounded by fanatical allies (tha also have.. umm. OIL?), its already in a wretched economical situation and to top it off, its surrounded by powerful and potentially very hostile nations (Japan, USA, Australia, Russia, etc).
Its only ally? Maybe China? Doubtful.
Then all the sudden they get called out as one-in-the-target-list of the US.
Makes you wonder why all the sudden N.K. began "opening" up to things like the Japanese kidnappings, the current nuke program and who knows what else in the future.
Simply put, they are trying to avoid being on the menu. The more they "cooperate" and the more they open up the less likely they are to be attacked. Heck, after what they've acknowledged in the past months id be very suprised if the monkeys in the white house still consider it a target.
No, the real fight will be in the middle east. I believe that with or without UN backing, Iraq will use its WMD's against allied troops or very very likely, lob a few at Israel, both instances prompting a nuclear retaliation. Once Israel is in the picture then the other arab fruitcake nations will rally towards israel to take them out first, then deal with the allied forces cought for all purposes, with their backs to the sea.
And interestingly enough, Mercedes and Honda are about to market the Hydrogen engine cars this coming year. Hmmmm :) I guess glowing oil will be the norm in the years to come.
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I don't think much of the Russians remember they have been holding hands with Iraq,Russia is in need of an economic revival so the more nations they alienate of the "Axis of Dr. Evil":D the less chance they will have to make an easy buck.
BTW Tac see my sig :D
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Unless North Korea attacks another nation, the U.S. isn't going to do anything. The liberal media would have a field day with the first politician who suggests that we attack a country that has millions of starving people.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Unless North Korea attacks another nation, the U.S. isn't going to do anything. The liberal media would have a field day with the first politician who suggests that we attack a country that has millions of starving people.
Errrr, Isn't that what's going to happen to Iraq?
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Yes, but Iraq is evvvviilllll!
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Gixer - I think the irony of his own statement is lost on FDIron.
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Originally posted by UserName
Yes, but Iraq is evvvviilllll!
Hey, someone that can see the light! Considering that NK has not lit up oil wells (with the intent to simulate a nuclear winter by covering the global atmosphere in smoke)in order to make the world pay for losing a war, considering NK has done nothing to its people chemically that we know of except starve them to death because of a 70% military budget, and considering that the NK have not used Western hostages placed strategically at military targets in order to thwart an attack, and considering that NK has not publicly announced to pay $25,000 to each suicide bomber that kills civilians...I would say the NK are just fine for now.... :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Yes!
Eagler:
Park yourself down in that Easy Boy, get on the cordless and order yourself up about 5 months worth of Pabst. Have your Fillipino house boy serve em alongside that tasty Mutton Snapper. Screw "Survivor" or "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", this is IT baby! We'z goin' to WAR!
Ok.. shreck!... just kidding man... chill...
hehe
I don't drink nor do I have a house boy :)
I don't think there will be a "war" of any kind. THese backwards third world countries are quakin in their boots. Do you really think ANY country wants the wrath of the US military unleashed on it? Add a couple of allied partners, many more who would jump to our side once the shooting started, no country with half a brain or economy will stand up to us. Alot of mean talkin, a push here a shove there and they'll back down...
terrorists are another story. tie a country directly to them and I say bomb them <-ie head of states, military, economy - to dust.
No "war" is needed, just a few hundred sorties. Thank God for the Air Force.
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Originally posted by UserName
Yes, but Iraq is evvvviilllll!
Funny, here I was all this time thinking that it was all about Oil... Silly Me.
As for "These backwards third world countries are quakin in their boots. Do you really think ANY country wants the wrath of the US military unleashed on it? "
That's all very good in the movies but what's the long term plan once you've finished your bombing sorties and/or invaded a country like Iraq?
Setup your own puppet government and occupy the country. For what 2,5 or 10 years? Can't imagine that would be very popular. Then again the whole Iraqi business seems generally unpopular the world over.
Sorry but it all just seems rather short sighted to me.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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Want proof that Iraq is evil? They consider dogs "unclean" as do most Muslims. How can ya not love a dog, the most faithful pet known to man? Maybe it's the air over there, not enough oxygen in it or something. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Want proof that Iraq is evil? They consider dogs "unclean" as do most Muslims. How can ya not love a dog, the most faithful pet known to man? Maybe it's the air over there, not enough oxygen in it or something. ;)
No. Actually it means that they are not ready to grill. "Unclean dogs" means they're ready for skinning, and frying.
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Maybe I'm foolish, but I think if we leave NK alone, they'll leave us alone. And, for them to use nukes would almost certainly bring a swift reaction from the countries around them. For that reason I (perhaps wrongfully) view them as "contained".
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No. Actually it means that they are not ready to grill. "Unclean dogs" means they're ready for skinning, and frying.
I think you're thinking of one of the other evil countries Rip. ;)
Correct me if wrong but it seems I've heard that owning a dog is illegal in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Maybe I'm foolish, but I think if we leave NK alone, they'll leave us alone. And, for them to use nukes would almost certainly bring a swift reaction from the countries around them. For that reason I (perhaps wrongfully) view them as "contained".
Funny... I have the same opinion of Iraq and China.
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I was waiting for that one, Sandman. ;)
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How difficult would it be.....let me rephrase this: Is it conceivable that twenty tactical nuclear briefcase bombs could be smuggled into the US and detonated at the same minute of the same hour of the same day in the twenty largest US cities.
If this were to occur would it be realistic to say the US would, for all intents and purposes, effectively be destroyed?
I can only wonder and hope that the war planners have seen how this could be possible (however unlikely) and generated plans to deal with it. But more importantly, people all over the world need to understand what the consequences would be if this scenario were ever to occur. I sense the entire world lapsing into the same feigned ignorance that so catostrophically promoted the last two world wars. Having France and Russia deny the UN resolution any teeth is a remarkable forbearer of the future.
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Originally posted by Yeager
How difficult would it be.....let me rephrase this: Is it conceivable that twenty tactical nuclear briefcase bombs could be smuggled into the US and detonated at the same minute of the same hour of the same day in the twenty largest US cities.
If this were to occur would it be realistic to say the US would, for all intents and purposes, effectively be destroyed?
yes
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I'd be suprised if we could muster any response large enough to make a difference.
20 major cities/sites getting nuked simutaneously? It'd be over before we got our pants on ...
This is exactly a senerio which has a China/North Korea/Iraq/Iran whoever holds the nuclear bombs, the ability to hand a fanatical suicidal group the ability to pull off such an attack. Then that gov quickly provides evidence, say Pal nutbags did it, they nuke the hell outa Palestine and are heroes.
Mean ole America is dead, Israel quickly to follow, The Pals are gone , China then invades the oil fields, nuking a few who put up resistance and a new world order has started.
Action today, no time for reaction tomorrow
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Originally posted by Kieran
I was waiting for that one, Sandman. ;)
Didn't want to disappoint... ;)
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hope nothin happens to FLORIDA! i dont wanna die a virgin!
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We can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!!!
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Originally posted by popeye
We can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!!!
Best movie ever, IMO. :D
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Yep. Lost a little bite since the end of the Cold War, but I still watch it once a year or so.
Also, find myself whistling "When Johnny Come Marching Home", flying NOE buff raids. :D
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I know it sounds like sci-fi or something
but do you really think there are NOT groups out there plotting/planning, trying to figure out a way to carry out a plan as described by Yeager?
I do. I think there are kooks who sit around and think of nothing else. All they need is a helping hand and they will attempt it, not wise to think otherwise....
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I think Iraq could lob as many chemical and/or biological weapons as they want at both allied ground forces and Israel, and we will not retaliate nor will the Israeli's retaliate with nuclear weapons. Doing so (using nukes) would further alienate us from the rest of the pacifist whiners who we desperately need to buy our products and services.
Although about 25 cleverly placed daisy cutters could cause quite a bit of damage and get our point across nicely.
just my opinion.
Look its cool (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm)
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Thats gotta be the FDBs - tards...
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82-riders.jpg)
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Originally posted by Eagler
I know it sounds like sci-fi or something
but do you really think there are NOT groups out there plotting/planning, trying to figure out a way to carry out a plan as described by Yeager?
I do. I think there are kooks who sit around and think of nothing else. All they need is a helping hand and they will attempt it, not wise to think otherwise....
People are too ignorant and/or stupid to think like that Eagler. We aught to just bomb them all in to the stone age and keep them there until they learn not to kill inocents. The thing that scares me the most is that it seem that there is nobody around to make the hard decisions that need to be made. Like they did back in WW2. Why are ANY saudi's allowed to enter our country now? Why is ANY middle easterner allowed in? Screw racial profiling.
Call me a bigot, call me racist but call me alive. I'll apologize when it's all over and then I'll help you back on your feet. Try to hurt me or plan to hurt me and I'm gonna hurt first and hurt bad so that I don't get hurt. Not civilized enough for you who condone Saddam? Well guess what civil society is in the minority on this planet.
Then again, one way or another we're all going to die. What if we are in a situation in which no matter what we do we will all die from nuclear destruction? There are so many variables to this that nobody even thinks of, nobody of any importance anyway. Everybody's ready to go to war but who's willing to go fight this war? I think I am if asked, but who's willing to volunteer? I don't mean Iraq. I think it's foolish to think that Iraq is the only country we are about to fight. We're about to be in a big one and it's been brewing since the cold war ended.
Here's a list of who I think will be on the "bad guys" side in the next world war.
Iraq
Iran
Pakistan
Egypt
Jordan
Syria
Lybia
N. Korea
China
Allies?
USA
England
Austrailia
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I wonder where Russia will fall in this.
I've always been a glass 1/2 empty type guy I guess but I don't think I'm wrong in this instance. I honestly think that most of us will be dead within the next 5 to 10 years and what will be left won't be worth living in. If we act wisely and without haste we may make it through this. But there is a large group of people in this world that think the 7th century way of living is better thant the 21st century way. 20 nukes in 20 cities going off at the same time would be a very quick way to get to the 7th century I think. Scariest part is that 20 nukes in 20 cities would probably be easier than 4 hijacked planes into buildings, provided they can get the nukes.
What's the yield of a suitcase nuke? kilotons or megatons?
North Korea has nukes eh? I say we get our damned lazer/missle defense system up and go over there and liberate the people of N. Korea and reunite that country.
But what do I know? I'm starting to think not much...
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Quoted from a Nuclear weapons information website on suitcase sized nuclear weapons.
"Such a device might have a yield in the .2 to .5 kiloton range (although, recent reports suggest a 10 kiloton). Not enough to bust a city, but certainly adequate for strategic targets like listening posts, regional air traffic control centers, major power plants, hydro-electric dams, large highway interchanges or strategic locks and dams."
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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you are a pessimist man.
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Just out of curiosity does anyone know anything about N Koreas AirForce. What do they fly. I could do a search but I figure most of the interesting links might be in Korean anyways. Anyone with any info, experts out there?
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Mig 21's and Mig 23's
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Dam that was fast. Thanks.
Some links would be appreciated if anyone has any.
:D
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Originally posted by NUKE
Mig 21's and Mig 23's
this is what they have
if we turned the USAF loose, they wouldn't be flyin anything :)
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Wow Udie... I haven't heard that kinda... sadness (not the derogatory meaning)... since the Reagan years when bunker buildin' came back into vogue.
You either gotta take some kinda proactive measures on your own, in some form... something that will make you feel better about it all... or just quit paying attention to the papers for a coupla of months.
It aint healthy, what I see in your posts lately....
I read this book about, uhm, 30 steps to better health or better living or whatever... and one of the 1st things it said was to take a two month break from reading any newspapers and watching the news. I never followed any of the advice, but that one did make sense to me.
I reckon after a while you would stop being consumed by events that you have absolutely no control over, and start instead to become Udie, this guy who lives in Texas, has a job, drives a car, fishes... christ - the girls in Texas.... Stuff that matters. The rest of it? The news? What the hell you gonna do about all that anyway? It's fun to discuss but it *can* get unhealthy. I mean... thinkin' we're all gonna die in 5 years? Might happen, but that kinda insight is gonna have the sole effect of makin' one's last 5 years on this planet a miserable experience.
So, you can spin yourself outta control by all this... and it won't change a single thing. The only thing happenin' is you gettin' spun outta control. The other fix is to get proactive about it, and try and do something.... and that can give you peace as well. But besides that, frustration, helplessness and fear are not an unusual result.
Ah heck... maybe I'm readin' more into this than is there... and I *totally* apologize if this is outta line or over the top.
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:rolleyes:
What do you say about that?
Well?
I thought so.
^
This reply must piss off a lot of people, judging from that BBS pet peeve thread :D
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Well generaly speaking I try not to pay attention to this toejame anymore because it keeps me pissed off all the time. Problem is that I care about mankind, a lot. You're right I should get up and do something to effect change in my world, but I honestly don't know what I could do that would make any diference. I'm open minded enough to know that I could be completely crazy in my prediction of the future of our world. But I look at history and I don't see any diference in the way people act in the last 500 years or 1000 years. Sheep and leaders and every so often one or more of the leaders are nut jobs and lead the sheep to slaughter. I see a LOT of nut jobs posing as leaders now and some/most of them have or will have nukes.
Ya know what kind of credibility is a former psuedo-hippy who's now conservative and smoked pot for 20+ years? prolly not to much.
Originally posted by Nash
Wow Udie... I haven't heard that kinda... sadness (not the derogatory meaning)... since the Reagan years when bunker buildin' came back into vogue.
You either gotta take some kinda proactive measures on your own, in some form... something that will make you feel better about it all... or just quit paying attention to the papers for a coupla of months.
It aint healthy, what I see in your posts lately....
I read this book about, uhm, 30 steps to better health or better living or whatever... and one of the 1st things it said was to take a two month break from reading any newspapers and watching the news. I never followed any of the advice, but that one did make sense to me.
I reckon after a while you would stop being consumed by events that you have absolutely no control over, and start instead to become Udie, this guy who lives in Texas, has a job, drives a car, fishes... christ - the girls in Texas.... Stuff that matters. The rest of it? The news? What the hell you gonna do about all that anyway? It's fun to discuss but it *can* get unhealthy. I mean... thinkin' we're all gonna die in 5 years? Might happen, but that kinda insight is gonna have the sole effect of makin' one's last 5 years on this planet a miserable experience.
So, you can spin yourself outta control by all this... and it won't change a single thing. The only thing happenin' is you gettin' spun outta control. The other fix is to get proactive about it, and try and do something.... and that can give you peace as well. But besides that, frustration, helplessness and fear are not an unusual result.
Ah heck... maybe I'm readin' more into this than is there... and I *totally* apologize if this is outta line or over the top.
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Errr.. 10 kilotons is enough to wipe out a few dozen city blocks and irradiate the place for 100's of years. Not to mention neutralizing a whole city (evacuated), hogging up resources (relocating, cleanup) not to mention the horrible cost in lives.
Kinda sad we can make a superbomb the size of a suitcase but cant manage to make a fricken space station cost-effective.
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Originally posted by OIO
Kinda sad we can make a superbomb the size of a suitcase but cant manage to make a fricken space station cost-effective.
The only thing I know of that could make space cost-effective is the space elevator, which may not actually be that far off.
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No nation would dare use a nuclear weapon openly, it would invite massive retalliation for various other nations. IMO it should be a policy of all nuclear nations to wipe out any nation who does so.
The only real threat of nuclear weapons is terrorists getting ahold of them, most likely secretly given by a country such as iraq. I doubt N korea would want to bother.
The problem with nuclear weapons is that they're useless to anyone with a national allegiance. They need to continue to exist, for as long as more than one country exists with a military. In order to not be used, they need to be ready to be used. When there is a nuclear attack, to which retalliation is impossible, nothing can be done.
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"No nation"
Terrorrist networks aren't nations.
As far as nations providing them with the nuke "gear", thats so easy to do and so whoopee hard to track who did it that any of the nations in the above list, or any fruitcake dictator can provide them.
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Well, as long as we're speculating wildly here, let me throw in my .02. Iraq needs to be put down once and for all. Scorched earth. North Korea is currently in a similar position to Japan just prior to Pearl Harbour. They are highly dependent on imported resources, a good chunk of the popultion is starving, and they just may think they have nothing left to lose and everything to gain. You'd better believe THIS, though: whichever country uses nukes against an enemy first is doing nothing more than guaranteeing that they'll be wiped off the map by the rest of the nuclear nations. As long as everyone is aware of that, I do not believe that there will be a nuclear attack by anyone as the opening move. For the next couple of years, we're going to see a ton of manouvering and sabre-rattling. Then, sanctions. Then, military action. Then, the cycle will begin again with a new dance patner. History DOES repeat itself.
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Originally posted by Udie
...a former psuedo-hippy who's now conservative and smoked pot for 20+ years...
Thats the worse kind.
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whichever country uses nukes against an enemy first is doing nothing more than guaranteeing that they'll be wiped off the map
That's the tricky thing though....
If someone is mad enough to use nukes, I reckon he's mad enough not to care about the consequences. So that kinda world peer pressure doesn't strike me as being that meaningful. He commits suicide the moment he presses the button... but to him, so what?