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Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pyro on October 18, 2002, 11:04:32 AM
Not a great picture I took, but see if you can identify the following ammo.

(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/ammo1.jpg)

Clues:

1- Made in U.S.A.
2- Is a .38 is more powerful than a .357?
4- Not used in AH.
8- Not an aircraft round.  Used to gruesome effect in Saving Private Ryan.
10 and 11 - Used in AH, but not on a plane...yet.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: robsan on October 18, 2002, 11:19:19 AM
I managed to ID one piece of Ammo...

...they are called bricks (the ones stacked in the background).
Used mainly in Riots I believe...

:D
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: moose on October 18, 2002, 11:20:26 AM
well #1 is 50cal

I figure either 10 or 11 is 37mm from a P-39 :)

as for the others? no clue
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: moose on October 18, 2002, 11:21:18 AM
Hey Pyro where did you hang the collectors item you got at the con? :D
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: SOB on October 18, 2002, 11:26:44 AM
I don't know exactly what # 12 is, but I believe I've seen it before in a picture involving Fatty's mom.  :D


SOB
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Midnight on October 18, 2002, 11:38:35 AM
#3 is the .50

#1 is a 7.62?
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: jbroey3 on October 18, 2002, 12:06:53 PM
#3 Is the .50 calibre.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: mason22 on October 18, 2002, 12:09:55 PM
not sure about all the ammo, but i'd know that brick wall anywhere!

10-12 look like the 27 30 and 37 mm ?
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pongo on October 18, 2002, 12:29:35 PM
1 30 cal
2 mg131/13
3 50 cal
4 mr151/15
5 mgff?
6 mg151/20
7 Hispano
8 german 20mm flack 18
9 mk108
10 flack 36 37 ap
11 flack 36 37mm he
12 40mm bofers l70..

got me at work ya bum
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: crabofix on October 18, 2002, 12:41:33 PM
1 is a 30/06
2 is a 13 mm (mg 131)
3 is a .50 browning (m2)
4 must be 151 15 mm
5 must be a shivak. 20mm (look at the buttom, rim)
6 151/20
7 Hispano 20 mm 20x102
8 2cm flak 38? 20x139
9 30 mm 108 mk
10 37 mm APC
11 37 mm HE
12 40 mm bofors


Just a Wild guess, I guess....LOL

Crabofix
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: -ammo- on October 18, 2002, 12:50:53 PM
The belted stuff in the background is .50 cal.  number one is 30-06.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pyro on October 18, 2002, 01:38:59 PM
Very good Pongo, you just missed #5 which Crabofix is correct on.

Bonus Question:  On what production aircraft in squadron service was #4 used?
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Ghosth on October 18, 2002, 01:44:55 PM
1: 7.62 = US .308
2: Agree with pongo, MG-131/13
3: .50 cal MG
4:  go along with pongo & crabofix
5-8 = 20mm  guessing that
5: = LW
6: = Russian ShVak?
7: = Hispano
8:= 20 mm AA gun
9: 30mm ?
10: 37 mm PT boat/osty? But Yak9t has 37mm so????
11:37mm HE?
12: 40mm PT pos 6.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Staga on October 18, 2002, 01:56:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
Very good Pongo, you just missed #5 which Crabofix is correct on.

Bonus Question:  On what production aircraft in squadron service was #4 used?


Some 109E's iirc
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: fd ski on October 18, 2002, 01:59:44 PM
109f0 f1 and f2

NOT on 109K :D
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Staga on October 18, 2002, 02:10:09 PM
sigh... of course it was Fs...

btw there were also F-3s with engine mounted MG151/15, Just like F-2 but powered by DB601E instead -N.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: brady on October 18, 2002, 02:36:45 PM
"Bonus Question: On what production aircraft in squadron service was #4 used?"

 He 115


 
"10 and 11 - Used in AH, but not on a plane...yet."

  Hmmm JU 87 coming?
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: crabofix on October 18, 2002, 02:54:54 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
Very good Pongo, you just missed #5 which Crabofix is correct on.

Bonus Question:  On what production aircraft in squadron service was #4 used?



hard one. But as it was only productioned during 1934-1936 it must have been some of the Squadrons involved in the Spanish
civil war. Legion Condor?

Aircraft bf 109 c or d


Crabofix.
Just boiled some crabs, out of rooks and bishops...
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: brady on October 18, 2002, 02:57:11 PM
I think the BV 138 had them to( forward turet).
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pyro on October 18, 2002, 03:09:18 PM
The F-2 had the 15mm but the other F's prior to the F-4 used the 20mm MG/FF.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: brady on October 18, 2002, 03:19:07 PM
That your colection Pyro?, Nice very nice.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: funkedup on October 18, 2002, 03:23:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by crabofix
1 is a 30/06
2 is a 13 mm (mg 131)
3 is a .50 browning (m2)
4 must be 151 15 mm
5 must be a shivak. 20mm (look at the buttom, rim)
6 151/20
7 Hispano 20 mm 20x102
8 2cm flak 38? 20x139
9 30 mm 108 mk
10 37 mm APC
11 37 mm HE
12 40 mm bofors


Just a Wild guess, I guess....LOL

Crabofix


BORK BORK!!!
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: JimBear on October 18, 2002, 03:28:02 PM
Only has LW types for A/C on it but is interesting  http://www.inert-ord.net/luft02h/index.html

and helpful for the ignorant like me
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pyro on October 18, 2002, 03:34:07 PM
Yeah it's mine.  I have other junk too but I quit collecting it two or three years ago.

Here's a shot of the various munitions with a soda can for scale.


(http://www.hitechcreations.com/pyro/ammo2.jpg)
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Kweassa on October 18, 2002, 03:36:47 PM
I seem to recall Galland's 109 was customized with 15mms. But I'm confused if it was a 109E with 2xMG-FF + 1xMG151/15, or if it was a 109F-1 with 3xMG151/15... or was it a F2 with 2x20mm + 1xMG151/15??

  :D
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Staga on October 18, 2002, 03:43:12 PM
From This (http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de) site:
F-0 MG/FFM with 2xMG17
F-1 MG/FFM with 2xMG17
F-2 MG151/15 + 2xMG17
F-3 MG151/15 + 2xMG17

btw chitload of good pics, check it out.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: moose on October 18, 2002, 03:52:35 PM
show em the rocket pyro :)
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: easymo on October 18, 2002, 04:18:09 PM
Based on the H O ability of the spit (other than the spit 14) I would guess that that red one is a hispano.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pongo on October 18, 2002, 04:40:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
Very good Pongo, you just missed #5 which Crabofix is correct on.

Bonus Question:  On what production aircraft in squadron service was #4 used?


2 in the cowl of the Bf109k6
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Urchin on October 18, 2002, 05:20:38 PM
Oh, oh , I know I know!  

Hispano!

EDIT:  And the 15mm Mg151 was used in the nose of the Bf109F2 and Bf109F3.  I think the F1 had an MG-FF, but it might have had the 151/15.  The F4 had the Mg151/20.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pyro on October 18, 2002, 06:05:40 PM
Staga, it could be on the F3.  I go with Prien and Rodeike who seem to have done the most thorough and original research on the subject.  They cite their source for the 20mm MG/FF being on the F-3, but it could be incorrect.   There is also uncertainty whether any F-3's were actually built.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: brady on October 18, 2002, 06:08:18 PM
It is cool to be able to put your "PAW" on stuff like this, bullits, guns,ect from time to time realy gives pause. And seaing them all lined up like that realy gives prespective.
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Wilbus on October 18, 2002, 07:01:18 PM
The Mg151/15 was also used in the Cowling of the Do335 single seat day fighter. That plane also had a hub mounted Mk103 :)
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Pongo on October 18, 2002, 07:16:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Kweassa
I seem to recall Galland's 109 was customized with 15mms. But I'm confused if it was a 109E with 2xMG-FF + 1xMG151/15, or if it was a 109F-1 with 3xMG151/15... or was it a F2 with 2x20mm + 1xMG151/15??

  :D


Squadron says they were 2 F2s
Both with thier mg151/15s and one with the 7.92s replaced with mg131/13s in the cowl the other with mgffs in the wings like an Emil
Title: ID the ammo
Post by: Nefarious on October 19, 2002, 10:57:25 AM
is Pyro a member of the Militia!!!

Hurry call the ATF!!!

I have a 20mm round from a F-14 my dad pocketed while in the Navy.

It resembles #6