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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fffreeze220 on October 18, 2002, 11:20:26 AM
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I can really understand some people facing AH the back cause the MA is just a big gang bang arena full of La7n1kspit hordes.
On all sides.
Really thinking about cancellig my subscription.
Its getting more boring then counter strike and that is alot.
Yes this is a big whine.
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i am pretty sick of seeing la7's. they'v forced me to fly them because i cant catch anything in my mk 1 !!:(
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Go get a palm full of hand lotion and lock yourself in the bathroom. Come back when you get things figured out.
Honestly, I know the frustration of getting bored. Take some time off.
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I'll make sure not to fly a Spit V near you then.
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Things to do when you get bored:
Take a GV up to a spawn point of a suspected "next target after they take that airfield"
Forget score and go NOE with a fast, low aircraft, to the backside of a busy enemy field, and vulch aircraft just after they get wheels up, from below. Then drag the horde back to your friendly base.
Put up a big P51 mission, and fly to the enemy HQ, then shoot down all the fighters that up to intercept your "bomber stream"
I can think of lots more but I'm saving some ;)
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Originally posted by JoeDirt
i am pretty sick of seeing la7's. they'v forced me to fly them because i cant catch anything in my mk 1 !!:(
exactly!! :mad:
but i gotta admit the la7 can be a fun ride.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Things to do when you get bored:
Take a GV up to a spawn point of a suspected "next target after they take that airfield"
Forget score and go NOE with a fast, low aircraft, to the backside of a busy enemy field, and vulch aircraft just after they get wheels up, from below. Then drag the horde back to your friendly base.
Put up a big P51 mission, and fly to the enemy HQ, then shoot down all the fighters that up to intercept your "bomber stream"
I can think of lots more but I'm saving some ;)
What Rip said!
"Forget score and go NOE with a fast, low aircraft, to the backside of a busy enemy field, and vulch aircraft just after they get wheels up, from below. Then drag the horde back to your friendly base."
This is especially fun if you can nail a couple of perk planes.
Take a break!
or joing the cRooks for fun and profit :cool:
Just vary your activity. Try going to take out ack at a field and then come back for resources. I went over and took out the ack and hit resources at an enemy field the other day in a Yak followed by a Thypie and they thought it was a major attack...lol.
Also the lotion can help as well.
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bored of MA???? come play in hth for a bit see what you think
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
I can really understand some people facing AH the back cause the MA is just a big gang bang arena full of La7n1kspit hordes.
On all sides.
Really thinking about cancellig my subscription.
Its getting more boring then counter strike and that is alot.
Yes this is a big whine.
The MA is getting a little boring, so I've been taking off in planes that increase my fun factor. The last few days I was using the Me262 as my mine ride and then later on dogfighting in the A-20. Last night I got over 30 kills in the A-20 and had as much fun as I've ever had in AH.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by akak
The MA is getting a little boring, so I've been taking off in planes that increase my fun factor. The last few days I was using the Me262 as my mine ride and then later on dogfighting in the A-20. Last night I got over 30 kills in the A-20 and had as much fun as I've ever had in AH.
Ack-Ack
Dogfighting an A20 is one of my favorite recreations in the MA. Particularly when a field is about to be capped. Amazing fun when someone tries to HO you :D
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We're all (by which I mean the silent majority) fed up with the MA as it currently stands. I know I am. I have tried to bring about initiatives like an RPS - but nooooooooo...... Doofus-Dweebius wants to fly his ride all the time. DD's brother repeatedly tells us that it's his $14.95 an hour, and he'll fly as he sees fit. I've whined about the LA7, and how it is flown almost by default by many dweebs. Mention realism.... and you will get a swift rebuttal in the form of "this isn't WW2, this is a GAME". Some people are so detached from reality (the real WW2) that they have invented game-related yardsticks which they use as their measure of success. Kills per hour? Puhleeeeze...:rolleyes:
The MA has become a freaking fragfest. The scoreboard is no measure of skill, but an indicator as to who was in the right place at the right time, and whose side he was on.
We're all overdue for the Mission Arena. Maybe it will split the community, but then again maybe the community needs that split. I asked on this board who would fly the Mission arena in this (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66960) thread, and was encouraged by the results - only 2-3 dissenters!
So... take heart, be patient, and let's see how 1.11/Mission Arena turns out.
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Originally posted by Puck
Dogfighting an A20 is one of my favorite recreations in the MA. Particularly when a field is about to be capped. Amazing fun when someone tries to HO you :D
Even more amazing on how many planes it can out turn. The only plane I haven't been able to out turn in the A-20 is the Zeke/Zero, had to scissor and force over shoot to kill that guy. All the while with my 4000 pounds of bombs still onboard :D
Ack-Ack
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The MA's what you make of it, nothing more.
The strat guys have their fun, the furballers have their fun, the mission types have their fun, the lonewolfs have their fun.
If you aren't having fun there truly is only ONE person to blame.
Hell, the past 2 weeks I've had some of the best 1v1's I've had in AH's MA...one yesterday at 18K against an La7 and me in a Hellcat...you can guess the outcome but the guy < I wish I could remember his name > DIDN"T run. Hell, he tried to fight me in a turn/loop fight at that alt...he wasn't stupid IMO, he just WANTED to fight.
Personaly, I like the MA environment. Hate the AKDesert map but I still manage to have fun in it.
I also like scenarios but they aren't THE reason I subscribed, the MA is.
Have fun and kill stuff, if you can't do both, and insist on flying anyway, fly a goon at 30K...make someone else get a smile on their face and have fun, just don't try to tell others that their kind of fun is lame....hell, it's all lame, but good lame fun!
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If all you do is MA 24/7 you deserve to be bored.
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when AH gets boring... don't come and whine about it...
just take some time off...
currently taking leave..(but still payin for some stupid reason +)
SKurj
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If your sick of not being able to catch people, fy a 51 - more "honorable" than an La7 and people are shocked when I actually fight with it. :cool:
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
If your sick of not being able to catch people, fy a 51 - more "honorable" than an La7 and people are shocked when I actually fight with it. :cool:
well, yeah, that's fun as hell... but... the pony won't catch tiffy/pony/la7/190d9 runners like the la7 can.
and try fighting the la7 like you are the pony...
fwiw i kill la7's in a pony, and ponys in an la7 when it comes to tnb/e-fighting.
i'm just *that* good.
:D
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RPS ?? RPS ??
http://www.totalsims.com/index.php?url=wbiii/content_home.php
http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/rps/rps.html
Bwahahahahahahahaha :D
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Originally posted by shredar
RPS ?? RPS ??
http://www.totalsims.com/index.php?url=wbiii/content_home.php
http://www.raafwarbirds.org.au/rps/rps.html
Bwahahahahahahahaha :D
RPS is the hugest failing of warbirds. It is best left where it is still experimented with despite all reason. There are a thousand threads on warbirds board - with input by warbirds staff mind you - that you are free to explore.
Alot of warbirds downfall comes from one thing alone - attempting to make people fly the way someone else thinks they should fly. In effect some wierdo got control of the helm and made warbirds MA a CT arena. Guess what? Nobody liked it there much more than they do here.
Warbirds is on life support, and that is a shame. Competition spawned AH in the first place, and competiotion will make it better.
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Mr. Turbot! I don't know why I always prefix your name with "Mr.", but for some reason I always have. :) Anyway, -
attempting to make people fly the way someone else thinks they should fly.
The flip side of that is that the überpilots of 109G10, P51D, dare I say LA7(?), 190D9 etc. force any early war aficionados that might be here (and I am not one of them because I'm crap in early war planes and freely admit it) to give up their early war rides and fly über in order to avoid being fragged. The point I am making is that the uberity of the arena leaves nothing for the early war guys who are effectively being forced to match the uberity of the enemy. But oh! It's the pilot, not the plane. So, Spit1a v 109G10? :rolleyes: Do me a favour...
I hope the Mission Arena works. Yes, AH is "just a game", as they say, but all games have rules! Whereas AH MA can be total anarchy - Ozzy rules football. Fortunately I am asleep during peak hours.
AH has a Chess flavour, with Rooks, Bishops, Knights - but far from being a game of strategy, it has become the schoolboy version, in which all pawns count as Queens (LA7s). A piece gets taken in every move, and the game is over in 5 minutes. Some might say that the REAL version of Chess is boring, but it has persisted, unchanged, for centuries. I think the Mission Arena might be like REAL Chess.
Having said all the above, I had a very good day in AH yesterday, but it was during Euro day time, so not too many people on. Discovered some new people I can work with - that's always a step forward.
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überpilots of 109G10, P51D, dare I say LA7(?), 190D9 etc.
This camp I flew this plane yesterday and today only:
turbot has 21 kills and has been killed 9 times in the Bf 109F4
I think 109f4 is early war. An d yes only in the past 48 hours have I flown 109f4 at all.
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I don't know what you mean by boring. For the most part I've always found something to do that nets kills. I've seen you (beet1e) attack GV"s, and that's where I have the most fun. Lazer and I (and a couple others), just tonight, tore up some GV's and it was great fun. It didn't last long enough, but oh well.
I know what you mean about La7's. It seems these guys fly La7's not because they want to turn fight, but because they want to chase down guys that are finished fighting (i.e. out of gas, out of ammo), or just goon hunt with them. That's a shame, because the La7 is great at field defense and that's probably where it shines the most.
As far as the kills per hour thing goes, well it's part of rank, so we're stuck with it. One thing though, those same La7 drivers are making a grievous error in chasing people. You see, the chase takes more time then actually getting to a fight and killing without having to travel very far. This is where aircraft like the Spit 5 and A6M2 shine. I like the Spit 14 in this role, but you have to be very careful as it acts as a magnet for tards that can't fight at all, but can frag you on landing and will risk the ack to prove it (Spit 14 has short legs). Just some food for thought.
Anyway, when you get bored the best medicine is a bottle (or a woman) and some time away. I think the mission arena will be a great change of pace, but I don't think it's going to be the cure all.
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Add Ki-84-I-Otsu "hayate" which has 4x20mm (150x4). :-/
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Originally posted by Turbot
Alot of warbirds downfall comes from one thing alone - attempting to make people fly the way someone else thinks they should fly.
A self defeating argument if ever I saw one !! Hehehehehe.
I fly both sims. But I enjoy the recreations of the actual battles our heros participated in. Not some fictitious fairyland where there are P51s against P51s etc. Guess which is which ??
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1 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=62)
2 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=44)
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To say that an RPS denies the right of the AH player to fly the plane of his choice is a bit like smokers claiming the divine right to smoke in bars...
...but what about the rights of those who would like to visit a bar without having their clothes stinking of an ashtray afterwards?
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Bored with the MA? See you in the CT! 880 welcomes guests for orientation flights Tue and Thu 2100 Eastern.
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RPS doesn't work for the "vast silent majority"... it turns arenas into the ghost town that WB has become... The guys that cry for RPS and axis vs allied don't fly much anyway and are no fun when they do.
having said that... It would be nice to have a place for early war planes...
everyone hates the stupid, timid pizza map but.... cut 1/3 of it out at the bottom... seperated by a 50k mountain range and make it the early war "area" only early war planes able to fly there... NO axis vs allied anal crap just good early war fights.
It would cut the pizza map down to a reasonable size if nothing else. All the other maps are smaller and more fun. If the early war area was fun and caught on... we could experiment around with the idea of maybe a mid war area... a perk area.. baby steps are best tho.
we allready know how well the friggin allied vs axis lopsided crap works. If you want that there are a least a dozen like minded guys in the CT u can fly with.
lazs
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The MA does at times get boring that's just due to the lack of other thinks to do within it. I am personally not looking forward to the mission arena "just sounds boring" who wants to fly around for 30 minutes to only have 10 seconds of fun dropping bombs then flying 30 minutes back to your base? I know this is what some people want "I hope they have fun".
I would like to see the following added ASAP:
Subs with deck guns, oil slicks
Ships with depth charges, sonar
Ability to take individual destroyers/battleships out "deck guns to shell land, 10 human ack points on each ship, damage compareable when hits by bombs, ability to repair damaged ships ports, ships that somke with damaged.
Infantry w/guns, bazokas, gernades
Contuinous Human controlled ack at both airfields and cities "once you get killed you have a 10 minute waiting period at that base.
More human ack points within the bases
Dual gun ack points
Think it would may be fun to have massive land tank battles with infantry.
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Originally posted by beet1e
To say that an RPS denies the right of the AH player to fly the plane of his choice is a bit like smokers claiming the divine right to smoke in bars...
...but what about the rights of those who would like to visit a bar without having their clothes stinking of an ashtray afterwards?
Well said
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Originally posted by beet1e
To say that an RPS denies the right of the AH player to fly the plane of his choice is a bit like smokers claiming the divine right to smoke in bars...
...but what about the rights of those who would like to visit a bar without having their clothes stinking of an ashtray afterwards?
non-smoking section is --------> CT
:D
ooooo, they don't have *your* particular ride in whatever current setup is running? bummer.
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Originally posted by lazs2
having said that... It would be nice to have a place for early war planes...
we allready know how well the friggin allied vs axis lopsided crap works. If you want that there are a least a dozen like minded guys in the CT u can fly with.
lazs
make up your mind. the more people that fly in CT the more people it'll draw for your furball, laz. because make no mistake, CT is pretty much a furball arena - not always, but mostly, and it's often earlier war planes.
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...but what about the rights of those who would like to visit a bar without having their clothes stinking of an ashtray afterwards?
I just had to look at that again. Funny stuff.
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The ones squeaking about smoking in bars are the same ones you see out at topless bars in a cloud of cigarette smoke having the best time of there life and a huge grin on thier face... But I wouldn't really know about those kinds of places only read about them once :)
T0J0
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NEW MAPS!NEW MAPS! its boreing because we have 1 new map in how many years.....when pizza came out I didnt stop playing for three days never left the house never took a shower.......
for me new maps would be great
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The scoreboard is no measure of skill, but an indicator as to who was in the right place at the right time, and whose side he was on. -beet1e
So true, and I willingly admit to that's how I get the majority of my kills. Instead of becoming a better dogfighter in here, I've mainly learned how to select my battles in my favor.
The MA has become a bit boring to me as well, though right now I can rarely fly due to a great increase in my real-world workload. But it's the same ol'/same ol' in there for the past 1.5 yrs I've been flying. Come in high with speed, dive down on your best chance, get forced to turn and blow E while trying to nail this guy, get your kill and then get pounced on by the next guy who is coming in high with speed who dives down to get his kill, etc (from a non-turnfighters point of view.) I do like the Special Events and so I'm also looking forward to the new Mission Arena coming soon just for a variety of play. And yes, I personally would favor an RPS just for the variety. Shoot, it would even be cool to have events where Spitfires are pitted against Mustangs and that's it...1 type vs another type which change with each event. But basically, the MA is the same ol' - same ol' with new life breathed in with each new update. BTW, I love the look of the new Mustang and it's things like that which keeps the game going for me.
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Originally posted by Miska
Bored with the MA? See you in the CT! 880 welcomes guests for orientation flights Tue and Thu 2100 Eastern.
CT is even more boring than the MA.
Ack-Ack
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Originally posted by shredar
Not some fictitious fairyland where there are P51s against P51s etc.
Well shredar it's fairly evident that most voted with there wallet.
WB had a "load test" the other night for there planned 64 plane limit thingy.
36 people showed up...
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Go to Hell if you are bored//WHY the FUk would you rigth about it in here....diddlying get a life...You guys have any ohter hobbies??..I guess not....
I admit somtimes i "dont want to Play"...Extremly Rare.......
But I sure in the hell dont WHine about it in here
Freeze....your are pathetic.....Hope your just stiring the puddle cuase..if not...your are a sad case and you need help..If you are looking for it here ......is the wrong place....
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Love BiGB
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Originally posted by lazs2
everyone hates the stupid, timid pizza map but....lazs
Everyone?
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Voss i really liek the terrain of AK desert........
And Freeze..i just saw ur pic...Golly-gee man..go pop some weelies around the neighborhood if ur bored:)
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Squire
If all you do is MA 24/7 you deserve to be bored.
But...but... I'm not :eek:
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Freeze....your are pathetic.....Hope your just stiring the puddle cuase..if not...your are a sad case and you need help..If you are looking for it here ......is the wrong place....
pathetic ???
i am a sad case and need help ????
looking for help here ???
Come on. I just tell what i think the MA became in the last couple month.
Look at my score and the time i spend in the MA this month.
This is 1 hobby among a lot more for me. And it is nothing more then a hobby
Sure i could take a brake and leave for some weeks but i am sure nothing will change in the meantime.
But i carse about my hobbies and i dont want to be pissed about stuff i generally like. Means i wanna fly, yes thats for sure, but the circumstances in the arena are far from joyfull.
Sure this is my personal opinion and the only reason why i post this here is to get some other opinions and see if i am the only 1 or if some more people thinking like me.
But come on to tell me iam a sad case and looking for any help here in the board is kinda stupid.
I am not a kid anymore
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Originally posted by poopster
Well shredar it's fairly evident that most voted with there wallet.
WB had a "load test" the other night for there planned 64 plane limit thingy.
36 people showed up...
Bwahahahahaha..well........yo u know the saying about quality vs quantity !! ;)
BTW poopy, you better check here & then edit your post cos it kinda makes you look silly when you post but dont do ya homework, LOL........http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12087
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Puke –
So true, and I willingly admit to that's how I get the majority of my kills. Instead of becoming a better dogfighter in here, I've mainly learned how to select my battles in my favor.
Yes, indeed. I found out a long time ago that organisation and teamwork are the real keys to success. And it doesn't mean gangbanging. Just working with 2-3 guys and staying focussed is all it takes.
Of course we can all just go to where the big green blob is on the map, but there’s not much challenge in that. I expressed my disdain for that kind of thing in this post (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59760) a few months ago.
So what are the alternatives? I often sit looking at the map, and wonder where to go next. Either we (Bish) are gangbanging, or getting ganbanged. What I liked about the Pizza map was the chance to up a bombing or jabo mission without running into the LA7 cherrypickers 5 minutes after take off.
Yesterday, I had my "best ever" sortie in terms of kills - 8 kills landed in a F4U-1D. It was a capture of A12 off the CV. I had finished the town and had rockets to spare, and got two kills from rocket vulches! Two P51s came in with gobs of alt and E, but in typical AH style they blew the lot. All I did was stay high and fast. As the P51s made B&Z passes, I anticipated where each would be at the top of his zoom, and lay in wait. It worked. For both of them. Then they started upping fighters en masse - 6 at a time. We had our work cut out, and they DID manage to kill our first goon, but not the second. I really enjoyed that sortie. :D 8 kills is my best so far, but what I really liked was the planning and co-ordination with the other guys. And THAT is what I most look forward to in the Mission Arena. Call me Timid if you will. :p
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
More ignorant trolling
See ya later.
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I think new CT's with new aircraft skins are very interesting.
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Originally posted by shredar
when you post but dont do ya homework, LOL........
Well shredar if you REALLY look at the url you posted, you'll see that it was from test TWO....
Sorta like you post when you don't know what your reading right ??
I see on this test they had 70 :eek:
Impressive.
Just a question though, kinda bothers me..
If it's "quality", how come nobody is there, and people continue to leave ???
Unless 70 or 80 for you in the Main constitutes a crowd..
Been there, done that for far too long shredar, enjoy
( But could it be ?? I'd know that laugh ANYWHERE )
( ...hasn't logged a sortie here, calls me Poopy ?? )
a "thug" on this board ???
:D
If so, welcome to the darkside ya bastage....:)
If your the "thug" Email me.
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Hohohohoho........kinda like the school kid caught out not doing his homework, looking for any lame excuse & crying home to momma when he looks silly to his friends ;)
Remember, I fly both sims. Started in AH, tried WBIII 6 months ago. I'll take 70 in the WW2 arena to 200 in AH any day. WW2 arena has some cool HISTORIC match ups. Target For Tonight is drawing heaps & AH has nothing to compare to the S3s. Added to this I haven't been abused ONCE when starting out in WBIII by the c00l k1DD1es for asking a genuine question, LOL.
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Actually shredar my homework was correct, not that it makes a difference.
Originally posted by shredar
I'll take 70 in the WW2 arena
I suggest you TAKE it then, and have a good time doing it too.
Their CD has a hint of promise, but the "HISTORICAL" lobby there along with wild pill will make "any" gains short lived..
A former squadie Lizkng said one that 90% of the flight sim population enjoys flying "historical" missions 10% of the time.
What WB has done has taken away a place to fly for the majority of pilots for the other 90% of the time....
How much brains does it take to have a Main arena where people can come and "play" ?? You know, grab a plane and go out and kill sumpin ????
Can't do that, we haven't got the rivits correct yet :D
As much as the "realists" nash their teeth, the true reality is that "most" people just want a place to "play" the vast majority of there time..and fly historical on occasion.
Realists have a place here in the CT, the TOD's and the Scenario's, the sandbox players have a place here too.
There is no sandbox at WB, THAT'S why it's empty...
Remember that 90% I spoke of earlier ?? ;)
You've not been around long enough to know the WB cycle..
But that's not your fault.
When you do run out of people, there's other options.
800 odd people does not pay the paycheck on a sim for long at 9.95 a month....
Until then, say Hi to everyone. Good people there, spent 4 years there, made alot of friends. Had alot of fun once upon a time, prolly know 90% of them. Quite a few are here now ;)
Don't recall you though..
No matter, run along, have fun :)
You'll find over time that "boosting" WB here is pissing in the wind..
A good number of us left there...
The exodus IS only in one direction..
FYI ;)
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Originally posted by Yeager
Go get a palm full of hand lotion and lock yourself in the bathroom. Come back when you get things figured out.
Honestly, I know the frustration of getting bored. Take some time off.
i have to say yeagers right. I took a month off last year and it seemed to reset the clock.
I came back and im not burned out again yet! :)
I have to say im also getting really fed up with La7s,spits,niks etc but then people will fly what they want and it seems theres no stopping it unless they are perked which isnt going to happen unless they get to the numbers the F4uc did(ie some 25% of the planes you see)
take a break or better still just use CT and TOD for a bit
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Originally posted by poopster
There is no sandbox at WB
Ahhhh, I could NOT have put it better myself, sir !! You make my point for me !! Thank you kindly ;)
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I don't agree with the "No sandbox" theory. It's not true to say that most people left WB because of the RPS. I did my own research (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65368) as to why people had given up on WB3. There were 51 replies and only three posts mentioned the RPS. One of those was my initial post, in which I said that the RPS as created by peril- led to sideswitching and a biased arena, and another was from ccvi who said that he liked the RPS. That just leaves one post, by Mr. Turbot, who said he did not like the RPS. Poop, the guys are right - homework is not your strong suit! Indeed, you are not the only member of your squad who has difficulty in substantiating his opinions. I recall a lengthy brawl with your squad's "Public Relations Officer" (ROFLMAO!) in which he refused to consider all of the data under discussion, but only one part, a very small part, which favoured his argument.
There is no sandbox at WB, THAT'S why it's empty...
Nope, I can't agree with that on the strength of my own findings. The problems were manifold, and were things like porked FMs, difficulties in getting the damned thing to run at all, huge downloads, packet loss and poor connections... well, go to the thread and see for yourself. How much brains does it take to have a Main arena where people can come and "play" ?? You know, grab a plane and go out and kill sumpin ????
No brains at all. It's a no-brainer. And that's what's wrong with AH as it now stands. Point-click-shoot-rinse-repeat.
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I find the limited plane set of the CT rather appealing because here you actually meet planes of similar performance. Unfortunately that arena is mostly empty during my times so it's not exactly a viable option vs. the MA, where no matter how skilled you try to fly, someone practically always has the advantage over you.
As for the MA, what makes it boring for me is the lack of variety in the types of planes people opt to fly. The skies are chock-full of Spits, LA7s and NIKs. It just gets old. So old that CV strikes with a mix of CV Planes feel most refreshing at times.
I don't think there's a solution to this problem that satisfies all parties involved.
What I would suggest is the addition of an experimental arena (experimental to see how/if it works), with the following rules and additions:
- 5-10 minutes of downtime are incurred if a pilot manages to get himself killed
- 2-5 minutes of downtime are incurred if a pilot gets captured
- Aircraft Factories (each producing a certain planeset) are added to the Strat part.
- If an aircraft factory is destroyed, its planeset will no longer be available (countrywide - maybe just zone wide) until the factory is rebuild (unattended rebuild time 30-45 mins)
- a basic planeset is always available, independant of aircraft factory status
The downtime after getting killed or captured is an attempt to make your "life" more important. I.e. it might make you think twice before doing that suicide run on the CV. It also means an airfield under attack would have its suicidal defender potential reduced.
The aircraft factory idea is an attempt to add a second layer to the perk system that could be applied to make the amount of higher performance non-perk planes a player-controlled entity (i.e. country A destroys the LA7 Factory, Country B decides it really needs the LA7 and launches a resupply mission - similar to the dot radar HQ system).
Anyway, just a couple of unfleshed-out ideas that I've been thinking about and feel that they could help address some of the more pressing gameplay issues.
-Amboss
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Originally posted by akak
CT is even more boring than the MA.
Ack-Ack
sorry, no newbies there for you to kill with ur A20 oh mighty one :rolleyes:
new skins and camo make CT better than ever this month
only gripe is someone forgot the 109f :)
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Originally posted by lucky
NEW MAPS!NEW MAPS! its boreing because we have 1 new map in how many years.....when pizza came out I didnt stop playing for three days never left the house never took a shower.......
for me new maps would be great
Oh PULEEZ!! This has got to be the lamest whine in the game. Guess what, we have had 3 new terrains added since March of THIS year. Sheesh, the number of terrains has more than doubled in less than 8 months and still people whine about wanting more.
Quite whining...download the editor and make a MA terrain!!!
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Originally posted by Eagler
new skins and camo make CT better than ever this month
only gripe is someone forgot the 109f :)
Anything that keeps you out of a (relatively) higher performing "one oh nine" is a good thing, Gatorman. ;)
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Some of you don't realize how good you have it here at AH. You get regular improvements and updates, you have a new mission-based arena in the works, and you don't have clueless marketing scoundrels directing where development goes. If I didn't have a mac I'd be over here at AH pronto. Who knows? I intend to get a pc for my next cpu merely because I've grown tired of the mismanagement of Warbirds, and then I'll play here.
I can't say that the RPS is a bad idea; I even like it. The dweebs who whine about being forced to try out new aircraft should go play fighter ace. If you had half an interest in WW2 air combat you'd at least be interested in experiencing the progression of aircraft technology.
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Originally posted by Eagler
new skins and camo make CT better than ever this month
only gripe is someone forgot the 109f :)
There is NO need for a 109F in the CT at the moment:)...unless of course the hurri 2C is added with it...
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When I get bored of what I am doing, I do something else. But that's just me .
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Originally posted by Samm
When I get bored of what I am doing, I do something else. But that's just me .
Suave you wierdo!
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Beet1e I'm not going to go into a long point counter point dialog on this subject because I beat my head against the wall over there doing exactly the same thing. THAT'S WHY I LEFT :D
But to give it one.....last...shot:
My view on things, mine, mine only. Might not be "correct" but I ain't changin them.
There are certain groups that pilots fit into. Not to say there isn't alot of crossover between ALL of them. I keep it simple, don't dissect every little nuance. A "general" grouping if you will.
A. Furball dweebs ( rookies for the fight or just have a blast )
B. Furballers ( the fight and livin K/D K/S K/T )
C. Scorepotatos ( the score and livin K/D K/S )
D. Mission types ( must have a purpose - WIN the war )
E. Mission dweebs ( a certain bish squad - kill the target regardless )
F. Generals ( tell people what to do in caps but don't post missions )
G. Historical elite ( Scenario, TOD and CT flyers )
F. Squadies ( do any of the above together )
I think none of the above really needs to be explained, they're just groups that pilots slide in and out of catagories on a regular basis. Don't start splitting hairs with me here beet1e.
VERY good mix here. Very good. Someones ALWAYS squeakin, but everyone has a place to do there thing, and they do it. In the Main here all of the groups ( with the exception of the Historical elite ) have ONE place to play. The Main here is just plain fun.
That is VERY IMPORTANT.
I subscribe to Spitboys theory that the Main is the "lobby" of a flight sim. It is here that one is introduced to fighting real people, learning to fly etc. etc. It is here that each pilot learns what pulls his chain. Historical, missions, flying to live....
Without a GOOD main, the new blood fails to materialize. New blood is good for EVERYONE.
For the Main to be successful, it needs to do one thing. Get the new guy in a fight and learn the fun of fighting real people. If joe blow's grandpappy flew a Pony in the war by God he should be able to jump right in one and play. When he looks at the map he should be able to find the fight..
In that is a critical mass that is needed to suck in the new guys. Logging in to 37 people on a big map is WAY different than logging into 400. New guy just heads toward all those dots and before you know it, he's hooked ...his hair is on fire....we got him :) Critical mass is important. ( a problem with pizza )
What did WB do wrong ??? LOL Some points ( there is a book written somewhere :D )
One, if joe blow finally gets the game downloaded, flys offline, gets his views set up and gets on line the first day of the tour....
He has to wait 2 weeks to fly grandpapys plane. But...but its Historical :) Tell him, not me, he just left
Radar: LOL remember now, we got to get this guy in a fight. Last time I logged into the Main in WB ( a few months back ) there was about 100 people in there. On my map there were THREE dots. Asked on country channel, no one answered. Flew 15 minutes and finally found 3 GV's...
So first lets make him wait two weeks for "his" plane, then put up short radar so he can't find a fight. And he's gonna know how to use the radio ??? But...but that's historical :) Tell him, not me, he just left.
They took away the lobby and lost the critical mass needed to bring in new blood. But they had the WWII arena, the War room ( no icons ) and the FO arena. All the splinter groups of a sim with there own little arena...
Without the dweeby old, full radar, catch a fight Main arena you ain't gonna get people through the door.
Now let's change the FM and ballistics every release but not improve any of it, just worry it to death.
Those that are left there are the historical bunch for the most part. The hair splitters.
The lobby is gone and the hair splitting continues non stop.
What I find funny about special interest groups is that they ALWAYS want to take away the lobby...
The hair splitters have been successful at WB
Without a lobby the sim dies. It's happening as we speak across the fence.
But I must say that the lobby here is great. The way it is now they'll just keep walking through the door...
And the historical side here will harvest them, the mission guys will take some, the scorepotatos will increase there presence...
ALL the groups represented in this Game will benifit from a dweeb lobby and the people it brings through the door. It works. Management might be able to fill you in on the actual numbers ;)
Me ???
I'm just gonna shoot their green titted soggy butts down !!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAA !!!
See, I hang in the lobby..
Beet1e ??
Don't give me point, counterpoint, references, former posts, the color of lovely Tomato's hair. Let's not dissect, deliberate, embellish and rehash things that aren't worth the time expended. I really don't give a Focke Wulf..
Talk to the hand...
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Wow, Some intersting posts overnight.
PUCK - I never knew you would be interested in Puccini. I've been to the house where he lived, on one of those Italian bus tours. Lovely house - pantiles, those bright red flowers you see everywhere in Italy - and a statue of the man outside with a cigarette in his mouth - not one that some errant kids put there! He was a heavy smoker you see, and died of the big C.
IK! Great to see you here. I agree with what you say. But shame to see it die.
And finally, Poopster! I do believe I've ruffled your normally excellent nature. :( If I may just split hairs for one moment: Your list of points contains two items identified as F. (The second one should have been H :D ) Well, I did not start this thread, but I suggest you read the title again. Folks are bored with the Main as it stands now. Then read my thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66960) about the proposed Mission Arena. When you have done this, you will see that many are hanging on because they've tired of the Main.
Ooops - I made reference to facts. I forgot. Your squad doesn't like facts.Don't give me point, counterpoint, references, former posts
- sounds like "Don't blind me with the facts - I know what I'm talking about." If joe blow's grandpappy flew a Pony in the war by God he should be able to jump right in one and play. When he looks at the map he should be able to find the fight..
Trouble is with that - the fight usually finds him first. Poopster, You need to read AGW a bit more, and talk to people more. I have talked to many people who gave up on AH because of the nature of the beast. FireFox coined the term "Doomites", and although I've never played Doom, I can see exactly where he's coming from. The arena you describe would be the Training Arena, and that's in a worse mess than the MA. All, except Poopster, refer to the Chaos and Clutter (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65049) in the TA thread.
People here to fly their grandpapy's plane? Oh yeah, right. :rolleyes: I leave you with this image, taken by pimpjoe. Geez, the WW2 pilot of a Typhoon must have had the sexual appetite of Clinton to have spawned so many kids wanting to fly his plane. Seems like the pilots of Spitfire 1a and 109E had no sex drive at all. ROFL! :D
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beetle... I'm sure that there is no one here who failed to see the point whooshing over your head. What is that a socialist thing?
Who cares what firfox and crabby and hedu du think about AH? they are little fish trying to look big by staying in a little pond... frieghtened children jumping at shadows... Look at firfoxs thread/review on AH... He got his butt handed to him and wouldn't even admit it (sorta like you). He got caught making up crap about AH.
Then.. you show a huge screenshot of a few typhoons on a raid.. A "few" in this case because you are talking about an arena of 500 people or more. What was the point? Are you saying that the arena is all typhoons? are you saying that it is mostly typhoons? Are you saying that...you are slow witted and unable to counter anything poopie said?
The whole point is.... A description of one of beetles sorties is very much like a sortie in WB... They are pretty much... watching paint dry. You won't get new blood (any worth having) by designing an arena around what beetle likes. There are 500 or more in the MA... the ct is available and so is WB.
I believe that your ilk has a place... just as there will allways be baseball and cricket fans but... The MA works and it works for the reasons stated by poopie.
lazs
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Lazs2
Who cares what firfox and crabby and hedu du think about AH?
The point is that guys in other games are potential new players. All you're doing by denouncing them is to trash poopie's argument about the Main being a place where a new player (perhaps flying his grandfather's plane) might feel welcome and at home. This is clearly not guaranteed. One WBer told how he tried the TA, but all that happened was a non-trainer repeatedly set him up to be shot down for his own amusement. So I don't buy the grandpapy BS. Then.. you show a huge screenshot of a few typhoons on a raid.. A "few" in this case because you are talking about an arena of 500 people or more. What was the point?
Lazs, are you so knucleheaded that you have to ask the point? I could show you 100 pics like that. The point, which has eluded you, is that you have to fly something uber in order to stay alive. You yourself have said so in previous postings. Again - forget the grandpapy crap. The whole point is.... A description of one of beetles sorties
What has that got to do with the price of fish? This is not my thread. That was just a wanton dig at me. The originator of this thread said how he was bored with all the furball crap of the MA. The sort of mindless crap that YOU like, day after day, year after year. He actually said "I can really understand some people facing AH the back cause the MA is just a big gang bang arena full of La7n1kspit hordes. On all sides. really thinking about cancellig my subscription. Its getting more boring then counter strike and that is alot. "
You won't get new blood (any worth having) by designing an arena around what beetle likes.
Well, I don't know about that. I will certainly try the Mission Arena and, if my thread is to be taken seriously, so will many others. But it's impossible to say how it will turn out based on the BBS because the BBS posters are in a minority of the AH subscribership.
I had a great time on the "No fights" map, as you call it. The furball wannabes like you have no clue how to locate the aggressor, so were losing field after field after field. I know that doesn't worry you.
Baseball? Oooh yes please. I've been to about 5 US baseball stadia. But I guess you'd rather see a pile of 300 pound men stacked ten high being admonished by an animated humbug? Yep, that's more your speed.
Now be gone with you. Take care of the garbage, and get that lawn mowed. It's looking untidy. :p
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One of the games is making money and expanding. This says all that matters.
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Alright........I'm here to clear this up for all of you....hope you can handle the truth:)
This sim of ours is what it is....this thread or the feelings of it's author are nothing new. Folks have whined and complained since the dawn of time itself.
HTC will do what they feel will make them money(big suprise eh).
Folks will leave and come back, some will never leave and others will leave for good...it is the natural way of things and has been since I started playing AWDOS back in the day.
The point made earlier sums it up nicely....one sim is growing and the others are not...if it aint broke don't fix it. Can Dale make it better? Sure....and he will. Will Dale cater to someone camplaining about furballing or gangbanging? I doubt it....if there is any relief from that awful existence, it will be a by-product of a new idea they grow, not from 1-5 guys who might be burned out and are sharing their pain with the rest of us.
Do I think this game is just right? Absolutely not!
What can I do about it? Adapt or leave!
All the whining in the world will not make anything better....we already have a good thing here and I prefer to count my blessings instead of complain about things I cannnot change.
So there ya have it! Now, you will either realize my wisdom and truth, or you will continue to amuse the rest of us...it's your choice.
BTW.....
I can relate to how you feel, been there myself with different issues....I just thought I'de share the truth that only you can make it better until Dale does....catch my drift?
Cyas Up!:)
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Well said :cool:
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WHINE!!!! WHINE!!!!!!!!!WHINE!!!!! akaB*CTH!!!!!!!BI*TH!!!!!!!!!!BICT*!!!!!!!!!!
snore...............get over it
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Well really it depends on your conception of what hell is like . By saying that AH is as boring as hell he is also saying that AH is as exciting as hell .
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How can it be boring when i`m shooting down "uber" planes in my trusty Spit 5?????? hehehehehe
Guys, the game is what u make it.
Fly, Kill and most of all have fun, fuk the scores and ranks.
just my two penneth worth :)
Hammy
"ONLY" the dead have seen the end of war!
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Hammy, you are right!
And a word for the rest of you - never ignore the advice of a Yorkshireman. You might not instantly agree with what they say, but they know what they're talking about. :D:D
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I'm not ruffled.
Rehashing the same ol, same ol thing that I did for a couple of years while letting my head heal inbetween posts is troubling.
I've done that.
I had to take an hour off of fighting ( you remember fighting ? ) in the trenches to write it..
Fighting is where you try to shoot the other plane down without camping at 18K and running if it gets tough ??? Or another way of putting it, I'm here, your gonna die now ??
I know you have "evolved" from fighting to bigger and better things..
You enjoy it, GREAT.
You can do what you find enjoyable, and I can too. In the same place :eek: What a concept !!
What ticks me off though is how you and others, with your proposed agendas to "improve" the game overlooks the FACT that a dweeby main fills the halls, pays the paychecks, makes the world go round..
You know, the game prospers ??
Is it perfect ??
Well...
You could harden up the CV's a tad ;)
Dale makes the money, Dale knows how to get it.
It is soooo comfortable to know he does..
I have no worrys of RPS's and axis vs. allied here.
Is it perfect ?? No.
But it's fun, keeps the water bill paid and keeps the revolving door going in the right direction...
If perchance you happen across a fight around a CV after dropping those dangling thingys ?? Come on over..
I'll kill you.
BRAHAHAHAHA !!
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Hiya Poopie,
The original point of this thread, according to its originator, was that the game was becoming boring owing to LA7/Spit/NIK hordes. Note, it is not my thread. There is a wealth of strat in the game, and some of us like to use it rather than using just a small subset. Each to his own, I guess. I know I'm mainly a jabo/goon/M3 guy, but occasionally, duty calls for those opposing our capture efforts to be eradicated! So yes, I do remember fighting, and I did run into a fight near the CV after dropping my dangly things, and I was below 18K when I did it. :D I had a bit of ammo to spare, so did a clean-up job while waiting for the goon to arrive. Not my best, but a good k/t :rolleyes: on 50% fuel. And that's all that matters to you guys, isn't it? I wait to hear how this is to be dismissed as "irrelevant", or maybe "dweebish". The two best despatches were the alt-monkey P51 dweebs who came in at 10K with gobs of E, and promptly blew the lot.
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I think I actually "devolved" then... I used to care about bombing stuff and trying to run around in GVs. Now I just want to fight, and the sooner the better. Of course, sometimes you can vulch an airfield in a Panzer, that was fun too.
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Originally posted by beet1e
And that's all that matters to you guys, isn't it? I wait to hear how this is to be dismissed as "irrelevant", or maybe "dweebish
I don't consider it dweebish OR irrelevant. The Main as it stands allows you to do what you enjoy. Hell if you enjoy it that's wonderful.
The added bonus is that the Main as it stands allows me to do what I enjoy.
So we have this Arena where folks of different persuasions can have alot of fun doing what THEY enjoy.
That is the benifit of a well designed Main arena. Sure I got my squeakes, everyone does. But for the most part all of us different minded folks can get under the roof and have fun.
I take suggestions on restricting or changing the arena as it stands to favor this, or restrict that, as a threat to what makes this little engine go.
This engine runs quite well...pizza has some issues. If I see alot of "I just log off" my antenna goes up.
I don't want to see what you enjoy taken away. Why do you want me to lose what I enjoy ??
Thats the difference as I see it.
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I don't get it.
We HAVE an RPS. It's called the CT. Not many fly it. So yeah... Let's turn the MA into a CT and have two of them. Makes sense. :rolleyes:
Kinda reminds me of how some WBer's wanted to shut down one of the more popular arenas there for a day to create some kinda critical mass in one of the unpopular arenas. To force them into something they obviously didn't like. Didn't choose, didn't want.
But this doesn't seem to register. The argument goes:
"Oh if there were only more people there, more people would fly it. People go where people are. And the only reason that there aren't more people there is because there aren't more people to fight against."
No. The reason people aren't there (duh) is because they're choosing something else. And that aint the CT. It aint an RPS.
Guys get bored of flyin' ALL THE TIME. For all kinds of reasons. Been there myself and took a few months off here, a month off there... Just happens. Totally natural. (though I recognized it for what it was and didn't feel the urge to yelp about it on the BBS... sometimes ya just need a break ).
Don't turn one guy's boredom into a cause for an RPS 'cause that don't wash. The only *real* indication of a desire for an RPS is if the CT was packed. It aint. There's nothing to illustrate the case better.
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You nailed it Nash.
And it didn't take the book I tend to disgourge..
;)
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I find it funny, with all the missions HArtmann flew, he never capped an LA-7... seems to me with his experience and time they were not that relevant....
PERK THE LA-7
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I find it funny, with all the missions HArtmann flew, he never capped an LA-7... seems to me with his experience and time they were not that relevant....
PERK THE LA-7
maybe he just couldn't catch one?
:eek:
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I find it funny, with all the missions HArtmann flew, he never capped an LA-7... seems to me with his experience and time they were not that relevant....
PERK THE LA-7
Why perk one of the easiest planes to shoot down when its not running? Now watch, someone's going to whine about perking the N1K2 ;)
ack-ack
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Poopie - I sensed things were getting overheated here, and I'm determined not to fall out with you, so sent you a brief email.
A few small points: - Not trying to force an RPS in this arena. The Main should remain unchanged in that respect, if that's what people want. A simple poll should confirm - one of those ones that HTC has pop up at log on.
- RPS was just one suggestion as a means of tackling the Tiff/La7/N1K gangbangery.
- The CT: Don't read too much into its attendance figures. That would be like giving serious credence to the recent ballot in Iraq. I don't think the CT is empty because it's a bad place or a bad idea. It's just that having multiple arenas never seems to work.
- Poop, not trying to take away what you enjoy. Is it OK to look at ways of overcoming some of the traits that many of us do not enjoy?
Yep, I have my fun in AH too. It's not the same as what you do, but I notice we both fly the F4U-1D a lot. I always loved that plane, even in WB. Especially carrier ops. For me, getting kills is just something that happens along the way to field capture. For you, it's your raison d'être. Nothing wrong with that. But what I find unacceptable is the name calling that occurs when one person's style of play does not accord with that of another player. Some people lash out like cornered animals, and there's no need for that.
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"Some people lash out like cornered animals, and there's no need for that."
I think your being a little hard on yourself beetle.
lazs
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lazs - nice punt! :D
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Originally posted by hazed-
I have to say im also getting really fed up with La7s,spits,niks etc
So did I. That's why I fly the FW190A8 now. It solved the Spitfire/N1K2/LA-7 population problem for me. :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Kinda reminds me of how some WBer's wanted to shut down one of the more popular arenas there for a day to create some kinda critical mass in one of the unpopular arenas. To force them into something they obviously didn't like. Didn't choose, didn't want.
That's why the AK's unleashed the Mercedez Benz Pizza Map on us. :eek:
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Originally posted by fffreeze220
I can really understand some people facing AH the back cause the MA is just a big gang bang arena full of La7n1kspit hordes.
On all sides.
Really thinking about cancellig my subscription.
Its getting more boring then counter strike and that is alot.
Yes this is a big whine.
No, its not a big whine - well, it became one when everybody else joined in some sort of character war.
Anyway, if you're bored with the LA-7, N1k2, and Spitfire fighting, try flying something with bigger guns, like the FW190, P-47, Me-110, or Me-109 with the 20mm gun gondolas. Or go to ground and try a Panzer assault or LVT amphibious invasion. Blow some stuff up, have some fun.
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I was semi-bored. I took up a different plane and furballed. I was so bored with it that I used all my free time last night doing it. :D
Seriously, do something different in the game. For me, it was taking the Yak-9T for a spin and laughing every time I saw one hit sprite and the bandit go BOOOOM! :)
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Originally posted by gofaster
So did I. That's why I fly the FW190A8 now. It solved the Spitfire/N1K2/LA-7 population problem for me. :)
Like a lot of things this "problem" is actually just a matter of perception. Guys that fly those planes generally have extremely poor ACM habits (even worse than mine if you can imagine such a thing) and often die very shortly after the merge. This nicely recharges the ol' perk bank, god luv em :)
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Lazs said
The whole point is.... A description of one of beetles sorties is very much like a sortie in WB... They are pretty much... watching paint dry. You won't get new blood (any worth having) by designing an arena around what beetle likes.
I think Lazs is right. I got a 13 kill sortie in a F4U-1C a few days ago. Boring as hell. Especially as at least 5 of those were not vulches. I would rather have captured a field.
A much more satisfying sortie came last week. I was gooning to V6 from A7 (same map as current) but the LA7 reception committee was waiting. (He took the trouble to show up as it was only a five minute flight) I'm as good as dead and I know it. The map is flashing for V6, and Mr. LA7 thinks that's because of me. Well it is. But what Mr. LA7 didn't know was that we also had an M3 ib. I was talking to the M3 driver - yes he had troops, so rather than try to drop mine, I led the LA7 on a merry dance off the shoreline. Hehe, he missed me on the first two passes but wounded me on the third, so I bailed, and Mr. (should I say Master?) LA7 shot my chute. A moment later the M3 made the capture. :D
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beetle said... "I think Lazs is right. I got a 13 kill sortie in a F4U-1C a few days ago. "
glad to give you a chance for a little more selective bragging.. Keep it up... more sorties like that and you might get into that 2/1 kill death ratio in a few years. How many kills per hour was that BTW?
lazs
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ROFL - Lazs is like a ladies travelling alarm clock - go anywhere, and dead easy to wind up. :p
Lazs - I'm interrupting a Goon resupply sortie to read and answer your post. more sorties like that and you might get into that 2/1 kill death ratio in a few years.
Yes, currently 52k, 12d in the C-Hog, which by your arithmetic is what - 1.7? :D As I get older and my skills decline, I can see that your prediction will come true. I'll be down to 2/1 in a few years. How many kills per hour was that BTW?
Hard to say exactly. Took off with 50% + a 150 litre drop tank. I had to lose the DT quite early when some cons showed up. I think 50% in a C-Hog is good for at least 10 mins. Do your own math, if it's that important. Which it probably isn't.
Well, my goon should be nearing A45 now. Toodle-pip. :)
PS - flattered that you didn't request proof
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AH is a round and round game.. I feel I do the same things over and over again... but thats what we pay for!