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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Innominate on October 19, 2002, 06:31:42 PM
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ok, after posting the thread about the il2, I decided to get some actual data to go on. I kind of got carried away and tested many planes. Seeing as I've never seen any objective data about aircraft's durability, so this is at least a start. It doesnt take into account things like giant radiators, and only takes into account major damage. But hey, it's a start.
I tested damage using the following method:
Park an m3 on the runway next to the plane, fire single shots at specific parts untill something falls off.
Simple enough.
Shots to the tail was done from the 3oclock position, at 30 yards. Shots to the wingtips, engine, and wing roots were done at 40 yards, from directly in front. With twin-engined aircraft, the wingroot durability is the average of the outer wing as it connects to the engine, and where the wing connects to the fuselage. Tail shots were aimed just in front of the horizontal stab.
A few surprises,
Biggest is that the mossie isn't all that porked. It seemed to catch fire at about the same time that most fighters would be shedding thier wing.
Another is that the a6m2 is surprisingly durable, although it burns easily.
The d3a actually seems bugged, it's wings hitbox seems to be ABOVE the wing, and the engine would not die, the plane would explode first.
Yet another is that there seem to be the occasional plane where shooting certain parts goes right through the plane and hits the tail, instead of the front. These seem not to be a case of weird angles, but an actual bug. I could be wrong though.
The results can be found here:
http://death.innomi.com/uploads/damages.html
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certainly interesting.
those are numbers of m3 vehicle mg hits? or is there an M3 gun ? like a 20mm?
i would have thought using a 37mm would be interesting to compare it with.
wtg
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Originally posted by hazed-
certainly interesting.
those are numbers of m3 vehicle mg hits? or is there an M3 gun ? like a 20mm?
i would have thought using a 37mm would be interesting to compare it with.
wtg
Yes, m3 vehicle.
The numbers are a count of .50 MG rounds. It surprised me how weak AH planes are.
Using 37mm would be kind of tough, since just about anything would die. I do plan to test it on the il2 at least.
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Remember that the 50cal on the m3 (hvy barrel group) is more potent than aircraft 50cal .
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Originally posted by Samm
Remember that the 50cal on the m3 (hvy barrel group) is more potent than aircraft 50cal .
It's a question of relative damage, not absolute. The exact damage of whatever weapon used is irrelavent.
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A remarkable experiment.
What sticks out is how low the 190 is on the list. Certainly the A8 and A7.....
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Or the relative position of the P47.
We've all heard (by now, I think) the story of Robert Johnson having his jug systematically hammered at point blank range with small caliber fire while he crossed the channel. Eventually the German ran out of ammo, saluted, and flew off.
While this may be an anomoly there's little question the jug was a tank with wings.
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Hi Puck,
>Or the relative position of the P47.
Roger on "tank with wings" :-)
However, the same was true for the Focke-Wulf. A while back, we had a thread comparing both types in detail, and I think it showed quite nicely why they both were so durable.
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Unnarmoured 190As? Ok, If so, what about unloading the useless extra weight of the useless extra armour?