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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fester' on September 29, 2001, 02:03:00 AM
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getting p4 2ghz (old p3 550 is starting to choke)
RAM? pc800rdram is what i need correct? top of the line stuff?
motherboard? which chipset 850 or 845 and what brand is best rated?
onboard sound? should i stay away from it or is it ok? i use headphones so i dont give a crap about dolby surround etc
hard drive: ata66 or ata100?
Geforce3 (getting it)
need help with motherboard and RAM the most
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Fester' ]
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here is what ive found for a good price:
tell me if its kosher:
p4 2ghz
ECS P4ITA Mother Board
256MB RAMBUS ECC 800MHZ
Samsung 30.6 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
SIS Intergrated Sound Device
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I'd go with the P5 4 gigahertz CPU with an Asus quadrilateral overhead cam, self cooling 690 meg SDRAM motherboard. Geforce 3 is getting dated, go with a VooDoo 8000 256 meg video card. Here's a link (http://uglypeople.com/uglywomen/ugly-images/up-women-00532.jpg) to a hardware site with a good deal on it.
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you said get rid of the 486 computer :)
I R doing that
so if theres any stutters or warps or such stuff when I play AH it wont be because my pc is 1 million years old
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Why would you blow money on a P4?
Answer: Just like anyone else that buys one, it's so you can say you have a P4 2Ghz, as posted above.
Please just send me the extra $300. Intel don't need it.
AMD Athlon.
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Oh, and because of this too-
The Sense Or Nonsense Of High Speed Processors-
"There is another reason why the majority of people out there could and still can do just fine without 1.xx GHz processors. 99% of today's software performs just fine on Pentium III or Athlon systems with clock speeds of 1 GHz or even less. It is difficult to find a sensible justification for the purchase of a 1.4 GHz or faster system if there ain't any software that takes advantage of it. Even computer games, which used to be the No.1 clock speed eaters, are running perfectly on slower machines, especially once this system has been upgraded with a fast graphics card. This situation shows that the release of a processor at 2 GHz is pretty much the last thing we users really needed. The main catch of Intel's Pentium 4 2 GHz launch is that it improves Intel's prestige. Finally Intel can once again declare that it's making the doubtlessly fastest microprocessor. Intel hasn't been able to say that for a rather long time. "
Athlons at 1.2ghz are about $100 and run the hell out of everything.
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[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Why would you blow money on a P4?
Answer: because creamo said not to
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why would anyone ever need more than 486k of RAM? - Bill Gates
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Athlons at 1.2ghz are about $100 and run the hell out of everything.
I agree with Creamo (can't believe I say this, lol)
Running AMD Athlon 1GHz, 256Mb SDRAM, Geforce2 64Mb, 40Gb HD, SB Live Value.
Smooth as a babies butt with an average frame rate between 85 and 60. Why spent so much money on top of the line PC when you prolly need to upgrade in two years again. Better to spent that extra money on the beer and the babes m8, :D
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Apar1 ]
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They're right Fester..
Athlon 1.4 Ghz bundled with DDR and VIA KT266A chipset motherboard is just as fast as 2.0Ghz P4, but one third of the price.
You'll be literally wasting your money by buying overpriced RDRAM and P4.
Trust me.
Geforce3 is good, although I'd wait a bit to see what radeon8500 will bring along with it.. I don't like the image quality on geforce cards + no current games really take advantage of geforce3 options. For Aces High, Geforce2 ultra will run it as fast or faster.
Just make sure you get a DDR system, RDRAM sucks!
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so how much for an athalon 1.4 ghz box?
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ok Ive found a good price for an athalon ddr 1.4ghz system
AMD K7 Thunderbird 1.4GHz Socket A
Cooler Master Fan For Socket A CPU
Asus A7A266 ALI DDR/SDRAM ATX
256MB PC2100 266Mhz DDR
Seagate 40 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
Mitsumi 3.5 Floppy Drive
Afreey 50X CD- Rom
Sound Blaster Live Value Sound Card
Ethernet 10/100 PCI Adapter
ATX 300W Mid Case 4 x 2
104 PS2 Keybaord
2 Button PS2 Compatible Mouse
Microsoft Windows 98 2nd Edition Pre-Installed
just the box
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Get a UDMA100 7200 rpm HD, if you can. A good one is the IBM Deskstar 75GXP 46 Gb version.
I've found it's quiet and lightning fast.
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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well I have a geforce 2 mx400 w 64mb of sdram.
would i see any noticable difference in the geforce ultra w 64mb ddr ram?
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can't believe im listening to creamo
hell must be freezing over right now
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Fester, watch the video at the end of this article:http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html
Don't forget you will have to get a new case too as the P4 uses a special 4pin thingie from the power supply.
If you go the AMD route I'm sure you will find a ,heheeeeeeeee, fire sale on the AMD CPU's :D
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: 1776 ]
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Fester,
I would not worry to much about the Tom's hardware artical. The chances of your CPU fan falling off are next to Zero if it is installed correctly from the get go. I do have to say I am impressed with Intels use of a over heat shut down thou.
Vati
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Fester that Thunderbird setup looks good but as Dowding said try to get a UDMA100 hard-disk like IBM GXP 60 or GXP 75.
If video-card you're using now (MX400/64) can give you framerates you can live with then keep it, I use to have MX2 and got framerates 40-50 in 1024*768 32bit and now with Radeon64 80-100 in same resolution but there's really not much difference in gameplay IMO.
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heres what i ended up with
AMD K7 Thunderbird 1.4GHz Socket A
VisionTek Geforce 2 Ultra 64 DDR
Asus A7A266 ALI DDR/SDRAM ATX
512MB PC2100 266Mhz DDR
Seagate 30.6 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive
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LOL, there was a guy who asked why ANYONE would need a system with 64 K of total memory, I will have to find the quote from this famous guy about the Commador64 when it came out.
NUTTZ
P.S. Fester your forgetting the most important part, at least get a 7200 rpm HD.
Originally posted by Fester':
why would anyone ever need more than 486k of RAM? - Bill Gates
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Creamo is cool :D
fester sugestion , think about realy god heatsink+fan
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How about dual AMD's...heh.
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigermp.html (http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigermp.html)
1 Tiger MP (S2460) Dual processor mainboard
2 AMD Athlon MP 1.4GHz CPUs
2 Global Win WBK 68 Heatsink Fans
4 256MB PC2100 DDR Memory Modules
1 Visiontec GEForce3 64 DDR
1 IDE RAID controller
2 Maxtor 20 gig ATA-100 IDE, 7200 rpm Hard Disk Drives (HDDs) running in RAID_0 (stripped array)
1 Floppy Disk Drive (FDD)
1 Creative 52xCD-ROM Drive
1 SB-Live! Sound Card
1 Gigabit LAN Card
1 Antec SX840 Enclosure, 420w p/s
2 92mm intake fans (door)
2 60mm case intake fans (front)
2 60mm case exhaust fans (rear)
Windows XP Pro
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Thirdup ]
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Fester:
1.4ghz AMD with 266FSB DDR
512 megs DDR2100 RAM
GFORCE 2 64 megs
17" monitor
mouse/keyb
60 gig 7200RPM HDD
300Watt AMD certified
Heatsink
CD Burner
DVD
SBLIVE 5.1
All for around $1200
www.micropro.com (http://www.micropro.com)
Buy the ram from www.crucial.com (http://www.crucial.com)
Buy the CDR, Sound Card and vid card from whatever store you find it cheaper at (in micropro.com they overcharge you for those). I suggest www.EGGHEAD.com (http://www.EGGHEAD.com) or search pricewatch.com for lowest prices.
If you keeping your monitor then you would be paying about 900 bucks only.
Not bad for a high end system, specially when DELL, GATEWAY and the likes charge $2000+ for P4's that barely keep up with a system like this :)
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Micropro?...stay away from them.
I bought my stuff from them when I upgraded,
1.2AMD,asus MB,memory,GF2 ultra,HDD.
The motherboard took a dump the next day,I asked them for support,they couldn`t help,than told me to ship back the board,and they`ll replace it.I decided to ask for the money back,and went out to buy the same board in some local PC store.
Than after about a week after UPS` date of dlivery I called them about my money,they told me they never got the board.So I threw the tracking numbers at them,so he tells me the`ll refound the money on my card.
It showed up on my account after about 4 more weeks.
Off course shipping with UPS was all my expense.
IMO changing a GF2MX to a GF2ultra is a waste.Might as well dish out for a GF3.I`m sure games that utilize the GF3 are coming out soon,and it`s gotto be faster with the old one`s anyways.GF2 ultra is nice,but I don`t think it`s that much better than a GF2mx.Especially U allready got the 62mb videomemory.
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originally posted by Tac:
1.4ghz AMD with 266FSB DDR
512 megs DDR2100 RAM
GFORCE 2 64 megs
17" monitor
mouse/keyb
60 gig 7200RPM HDD
300Watt AMD certified
Heatsink
CD Burner
DVD
SBLIVE 5.1
All for around $1200
1200 sound like a ripoff, i payed half that for the complete box with no monitor by searching through...
www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com)
total with the geforce 64 ddr included was only a few dollars more than the 32mb tnt2 card the system normally comes with so I took it because they dont ship the box with no video card in it and I have no need for a tnt2 32mb card.
Also I chose the 30 gb seagate 7200 RPM ultra ATA100 hard drive over the 40 gb 5400rpm hard drive the system normally comes with at no extra charge because I dont need 40 gigs and I listenned to you dweebs about getting the 7200 rpm hard drive.
:p
I asked the salesman to verify the components of the computer...
AMD K7 tbird 1.4ghz,
asus A7A 266ALI DDR/SDRAM ATX mother board,
cooler master fan for socket A CPU,
visiontek gf2 ultra 64ddr,
512mb PC2100 DDR ECC ram,
30 gig Seagate 7200 RPM Ultra ATA/100 hard drive,
Sony dvd-rom,
sounblaster live,
ethernet card,
enlight 300w power supply,
and a 3 year warranty.
the thing i liked most about this computer is that as far as I can tell with my limited computer knowledge everything in it is a component with good quality.
but only time will tell
asus motherboards are also my favorite because I've been using asus in my current p3 computer for years and it has run flawlessly.
I am interested in putting a very good heat sink /fan kit in this computer after it arrives on wednesday if the one it comes with doesn't seem powerful enough. can anyone direct me to a good site with rediculously powerful heatsink fan kit?
the only thing I dont like about AMD is the heat they give off. heat is bad :(
[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: Fester' ]
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www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com) if you wanna save.
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Hey fester
i dont know if you are into overclocking or not but the mother board i just got is great
its an
ECS SiS735 K7S5A ATX http://www.ecs.com.tw/ (http://www.ecs.com.tw/)
its a non over clocking board but it is still a fast board and it is only about 60$
it runs eather ddr ram or sdr.
great board
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Gaggle...
Thorns
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Fester, overall that system looks really good. The only thing that I don't like is the A7A266 board. I would have rather gone with the A7V266 or A7M266, but I doubt you will notice the tiny performance difference between the A7A and A7M. (The A7A is cheaper.) That ECS board (I've never used one personally) is also pretty fast.
There is no reason to pay extra and buy ECC DDR ram. ECC is only a good thing for a server where data integrity is required over performance at all cost. (ECC ram is very slightly slower than regular ram.) A 256 Mb stick of PC2100 is about $40 - 50 these days.
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I've the A7A Asus MB and a 1.4g TB processer. I bought me a mean bellybutton heat sink and a fan that wants to fly mt PC. I think www.coolerguys.com (http://www.coolerguys.com) . I bought the globalwin38 one. They have great HS's and fans there.
xBAT
P.S. I use the onboard sound and it does well. My only bottleneck is my TNT Diamond Viper 770 Vid card... :(