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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 21, 2002, 06:24:56 PM
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..thinking about the time you've just spent climbing out to Knights HQ, thinking about the fighter that you managed to shoot down enroute...you calibrate your run, you drop your bomb load direct on HQ...BOOM! out go the lights....now your egressing and barely 5 min. have passed, you check strategy on the map, highlite Knights, and see that you've just spent 1 hour on your run, only to see the strat read 100% for Knight radar....
Here's why :)
Co-op-er-ation
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Strat targets should not be able to be supplied by forward bases.
Cities and factories build forward based (e.g. airfields, vehicle fields and ports), not the other way around. The fact that this increadibly gamey feature remains goes a long, long ways towards making level bombers useless.
You didn't see London being supplied from Biggin Hill or Sweinfurt from a local airfield. It makes no sense. The sheer ammount of supplies needed to rebuild a city or factory precludes the ability to resupply them with halftracks and C-47s.
Resupplyable airfields, vehicle bases and ports are a great gameplay addition. Resupplyable strategic assets are a terrible gameplay addition.
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Welllllll .............. hate to speak against you Rip but thats the reason why Goon supply drops to rebuild structures are ruining part of the game IMHO. No denying thats what you should do as strat stands - I jus don't think Goons should be able to do it......
Sparks
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Well since having no radar ruins the game for a great many MORE players than the single bomber guy who destroyed it, I think it's only fair to be able to fix it. It's bad enough that Dar can be destroyed in the first place!
J_A_B
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The knights have so many dweebs on line they can afford a dozen to sit in the hq in goons. No news there.
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Yea! I help out my country by flying a goon to repair the DAR!
IM a dweeb!!!
:)
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if you want to hold dar down, take a field near the HQ.
Don't expect a precision drop, and a two hour sortie to mean you should be able to keep thier radar down for just as long.
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we ran a few raid with fighters following up behind the bombers.
It was a turkey shoot. Goons were everywhere.
But karnaks right this is arse backwards.
We need raw material facilities and town(s) surrounding hq. The hq should need raw materials and man power to rebuild.
Depending on how muck of the raw material structures are down, and how much of the towns surrounding hq are down should determin rebuild times.
As much as I hate radar being down this is one of the reasons the bombers focus on the the airfields. They lack the instant satisfaction of impacting the rest of us. strat can work but its too involve for main play. Targeting the barracks facilities, targeting the barracks at the fields closest to hq, targeting the city, and then hq is the only way to keep hq down for any considerable time. Follow the hq raid up with fighters waiting to pounce on any c47s that try toget in.
You figure with 500 guys online and alot calling for organization a few of these raids would pop up. But alot of guys cant hit anything in bombers and its much easy to roll up on 1 af at a time with suicide mass raids then get all wrapped up is a prolonged strat war that doesnt have any real odds of suceeding.
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who's the tard that missed all the targets? you know how many chutes they coulda made???? i'm counting 7 goons....
man, that's seven whines !!! that's like FDB heaven. all alone in your panzy bellybutton leather FW wearing thong and 7 goonies waiting to be had.....oh the feramones are just rushing.
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Since when was whole country's radar dependable of one lone building?
Since when did ships lose their radars when their HQ was leveled?
Killing a dar by bombing one building is more gamey than helping to put it operative with C-47s.
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Shall I punt the old threads prior to resupply version which whined about the lack of ability to restore the HQ?...you know the ones where everyone logs out after HQ is down? ;)
Can't have it both ways! :)
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agree 100% karnak
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Maybe HQ should be a relay station:
When its operative you'll see what is going on in every corner of the map but when its destroyed you'll see dar only from most closest bases.
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maybe we should have a restriction on how many supplies are available? and if the factories that produce these supplies are down, then eventually there will be no chance of resupplying the HQ...
just an idea.
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for the vast majority of MA players that have only and hour or two to play at a time...
Having no radar simply takes the fun out of the game.
For an outnumbered country...
having no radar because a huge country with lame'os to burn just did some "missun"..... seems hokey and unfun and unfair.
lazs
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Originally posted by iceydee
maybe we should have a restriction on how many supplies are available? and if the factories that produce these supplies are down, then eventually there will be no chance of resupplying the HQ...
just an idea.
Shall I punt the old threads prior to resupply version which whined about the lack of ability to restore the HQ?...you know the ones where everyone logs out after HQ is down?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Shall I punt the old threads prior to resupply version which whined about the lack of ability to restore the HQ?...you know the ones where everyone logs out after HQ is down?
there will still be a chance to resupply... just have to keep enough factories up to produce supplies...
maybe there could be an option to perk the supplies after a country has run out of them? then there would always be a chance of resupplying the HQ... ;)
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Guys, let me reiterate:
Over a year ago, the most whines on this board were "Our HQ got hit, the city was down, 2 hours to rebuild...we logged for the night, HTC, do something about this!"
HTC said "Hey, we're losing numbers when a countries HQ goes down."
So HTC enabled everyone to resupply their own HQ's. "Brilliant!" were the posts on this board.
Did some folks think that other countries wouldn't bother?
You DO know you can prevent goons from resupplying, right? CAP, or hitting nearby field barracks...YOU have control over it.
You guys crack me up. :) Worse than my wife, changing your mind... ;)
Co-op-er-ation...works for all countries.;)
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Oh I think its cool that you can repair a hq and its cool that people do it. I think its comical that you guys have 15 people to park there with goons.
Our HQ is typcally far behind knight lines and all those dweebs are in a daisy chain of lancs keeping it down and bragging on channel one that they did it.
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And this is how HTC supposedly want to encourage bombersto go after strat targets? :rolleyes: You don't want bombers goign after hangars but you don't want them to effect strat either so is it any wonder I now only really fly on squad nights and why the majority of my squad of dedicated buffers do the same. The mission arena can't come soon enough :rolleyes:
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Here's your counter on that Revvin...
:) Just saying....if your going to do it, do it right.
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You call that a counter? :rolleyes: HTC said in his Wargamer interview he wants bombers to go after strat targets more, as a bomber squadron we have done so but there is no point with the current setup. We're too busy attacking strat targets to bother milkrunning playing capture the flag and our bomber mission's are far from milkrun's we try to put forward something a little more historical than the usual gangbang heavy fighter conga :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Revvin
You call that a counter? :rolleyes: HTC said in his Wargamer interview he wants bombers to go after strat targets more, as a bomber squadron we have done so but there is no point with the current setup. We're too busy attacking strat targets to bother milkrunning playing capture the flag and our bomber mission's are far from milkrun's we try to put forward something a little more historical than the usual gangbang heavy fighter conga :rolleyes:
So answer the question.
What strat is an HQ? (Other than a means to get folks to log off, if its down for any length of time, as in Pre-V1.07)
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The HQ is a means to deny the enemy of their radar to facilitate a better chance for our own side to progress.
If you log off that's your own problem you should have defended your HQ, our missions see us pass over three or more airfields don't blame me if you're too lazy to do anythign about it we're flying as HT said he would like bombers to fly hitting strat objects. You won't see us above 28k and we hit strat objects but of course we could just go round porking fields at will if you'd prefer :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Revvin
The HQ is a means to deny the enemy of their radar to facilitate a better chance for our own side to progress.
Bingo. Milkrunning undefended fields...we've come full circle my friend. ;)
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Originally posted by Revvin
don't blame me if you're too lazy to do anythign about it
Don't blame me if your squadron didn't bring fighters to suppress the C47 upping, and don't blame me for your bombers failing to take out barracks at nearby fields :)
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Sorry but if you're playing bingo you've got a different card to the rest of us. The loss of radar reduces your ability to use the gamey AWACS inflight dar there is nothing to stop you sending out a plane or two from each base to patrol, again it comes down to being lazy.
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It's got nothing to do with being lazy when your HQ is so far behind your own lines, if anyone is milkrunning and padding their score it is you flying nice safe little C47 missions behind your own lines like some kind of airtour service. The current setup means bombers are rare enough in the AH skies as it is. The rebuild times are a joke when it takes 1.5 - 2 hours for a bomber sortie such as the ones we put together.
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Thats right, it IS a joke. Now go find a nice strat target like a field that won't affect everyone. ;)
And remember, ALWAYS be careful what you ask for. :)
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If that's all you can add it shows how shallow your point was.
Fine, feel happy you've milk-runned and padded your score just a variation on a theme really for you, same 'throw numbers at a target' just a different plane really, well done!
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Revvin,
Which country do you fly for?
I'd like to have my guys fly along with yours as a joint exercise on bombing Strat targets, if thats possible.
IN regard to Rips post, we got hit on Saturday by a Rook rais that was pure genius. They took the time to knock out the surrounding fuel, Ord, and Barracks, near the post they were assaulting. We could do nothing to stop them.
Very well orchestrated.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Revvin,
Which country do you fly for?
I'd like to have my guys fly along with yours as a joint exercise on bombing Strat targets, if thats possible.
IN regard to Rips post, we got hit on Saturday by a Rook rais that was pure genius. They took the time to knock out the surrounding fuel, Ord, and Barracks, near the post they were assaulting. We could do nothing to stop them.
Very well orchestrated.
Revvin, see? They were not lazy :)
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Originally posted by Revvin
If that's all you can add it shows how shallow your point was.
Fine, feel happy you've milk-runned and padded your score just a variation on a theme really for you, same 'throw numbers at a target' just a different plane really, well done!
Fine, feel happy you've milk-runned and padded your score just by hitting an HQ which cannot be capture, but encourages base milkrunning by your countrymen! :)
Your point is shallower my friend, since a majority on this BBS ASKED FOR a goon-resuppliable HQ.
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Rip do you have a comprehension problem? We see plenty of action and fly over plenty of enemy fields to get to the HQ's it's not even close to your milkrunning fun you're so proud of. I very much doubt that Rook attack had more than maybe 3% bombers in it if any at all. The arena's are geared towards simplistic arcade capture the flag which you so love with your gangbang missions you used to be so proud of.
Resupply in the right circumstances is the right way to go but it's been poorly implemented IMHO and players like you will always 'game' whatever they can so they can beat their chest and brag online or in the forums :rolleyes: There was no majority it was a vocal minority of those wishng to see Aces High retain a simplistic arena setup.
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Originally posted by Revvin
Resupply in the right circumstances is the right way to go but it's been poorly implemented IMHO and players like you will always 'game' whatever they can so they can beat their chest and brag online or in the forums :rolleyes: There was no majority it was a vocal minority of those wishng to see Aces High retain a simplistic arena setup.
Sounds like a whine Revvin. Down boy! Your fangs and locked jaw are in me thigh! Just can't lose an arguement gracefully without a personally attack can you? Shame, life will be tough on you...
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You have nothing to bring to the argument because yours is so flawed. You're ego just could'nt accept not everyone would pat you on the back and say WTG. I pity you if your life is so shallow and meaningless if you seek the adoration of players in a virtual world.
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Revvin, what changes would you make to the strat model?
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I have made my suggesstions in various threads over the months/years I have no inclination to go back over them again and be insulted by the usual suspects.
If you think my posts have been insulting then you realyl don't know me at all. If I have become insulting maybe it's because as a bomber pilot I face the same crap all the time from the same mindless few using insulting names. Tough toejam..welcome to the HTC forums it's how this place has become.
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Ripsnort, I'd like to say a small thing about the milkrunning stuff...
I'm in the No9 Squadron under Revvin. I only still fly during the Squadron meetings, as Revvin pointed out most of us do. I simply take off to have a good flight. We fly together, have fun flying the great formations that we fly (Hell its bragging but it's true), get a kick out of fending off fighters and seeing our escorts save the day and then we whack the HQ. Lights out. Then we turn around and give another bellybutton whooping while we return to base. We land and log off, see ya next week.
My point? We couldnt care less about the milkrunning people do afterwards. I wouldnt care if the server exploded after we logged, as long as it's back up the next week. So there is no circle that starts and ends with milkrunning.
I'm not sure if Revvin agrees with me on not caring what happens after we land, as he might see things in a broader perspective than I do. Personally I dont give a jack about the war between chess pieces that has been won 12.769 times so far, and that will continue to reset untill the end of days.
Just to point you out that not all the buffers buff to encourage milkrunning. And I think a number of squaddies agree with me. They probably didnt agree when they first started with AH, but we're all a bit fed up with the whole strat system, or lack of it.
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Originally posted by Revvin
I have made my suggesstions in various threads over the months/years I have no inclination to go back over them again and be insulted by the usual suspects.
If you think my posts have been insulting then you realyl don't know me at all. If I have become insulting maybe it's because as a bomber pilot I face the same crap all the time from the same mindless few using insulting names. Tough toejam..welcome to the HTC forums it's how this place has become.
Seems to me you are a contributor to "how this place has become". I desired to enter into a conversation about strat and was genuinely interested in hearing your position. Your posts in the past are of no interest to me. What you have to say now...was.
Have a good day sir.
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actually rev... your being a fluffer and a socialist and a whiny one to boot... Im not interested in your idea of "strat" except to make fun of it. But... feel free to say something really self serving and gameplay killing.
lazs
Public Relations officer for the Blue Knights
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I don't believe that for a minute Apache, that's from past experience.
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And can someone pls inform Lazs he's been on my ignore list for a while, I'm sure he had the usual insults in his post somewhere..that also from past experience :rolleyes:
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nice pic Rip:D
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Well, this seems to have run its useful course.