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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: batdog on October 22, 2002, 10:04:51 AM
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Well... I see they seem to be outnumbered and banged quite often. I'm think some vet sqauds should perhaps head overthere.
I'm gonna approach my squad about this. Hopefully some others will do this as well.
xBAT
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BUMP.
Any squads out there willing to do this perhaps?
xBAT
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Actually some squads just rotated AWAY from rooks :) Probably alot of their trouble right now.
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I rotated JG2 from Knights to Rooks, it broke our squad up. Nope, won't make that mistake again.
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Care to elaborate Rip?
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JV44 had the same kind of problem a while back. I was sick and tired of fighting on Knights, thought we should move to Rooks or Bish. We ended up trying both out, but we did almost break up because of it.
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Originally posted by Nash
Care to elaborate Rip?
No. Lets just say its not a good thing.
When Knights were the red-headed stepchild of AH, I whined in a thread about numbers, basically I was told to STFU.
Many squadrons including my newly formed VMF-323 just went on a recruiting drive, eventually the knights built up numbers. SOunds like Rook squads are alittle too lazy to do that...they want AH Welfare? ;)
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Nash,
Nothing to do with the "Rooks" themselves. The squad was very large.. some were very attached to being nit, and stayed while the others went to rooks. Hence, the breaking up.
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I vote to assist the Rooks by beating the snot out of the Bishops. Its easier than changing countries.
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Understood Rip and the rest. I for one have no true attachment to "chess" pieces. I do enjoy hanging w/some other indiv's besides my squadies on the Bish side. I have come to know who I can count on for check 6's and saving my bacon. The thought of moving doesnt REALLLY appeal to me BUT it COULD be fun.
xBAT
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nah, we don't need no steeenking welfare.
When we run our "special ops" we have decent numbers. I kinda like being the underdog anyway.
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My squad came rook and it was tough at the start. We did lose some players, but the fact of giving up just because "it's too tough" dosen't make sense. We're adapting and learning to fly in a new type of environment. I'd like to see more squads doing it, but they'd have to be very strong willed to succeed at it. If your squad isn't strong, you'll find it out in a real hurry.
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Here's a novel concept:
Fly in the CT or Scenarios. Country's (Knights, rooks bish) don't mean squat! :)
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It's not that the rooks don't have the numbers , they do , on the "special ops" nights they have over 200 online, but for some reason they don't log on every night.
From what i understand they only do this once a month, maybe the rooks should have a "ops " night once a week.
44MAG
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
No. Lets just say its not a good thing.
When Knights were the red-headed stepchild of AH, I whined in a thread about numbers, basically I was told to STFU.
Many squadrons including my newly formed VMF-323 just went on a recruiting drive, eventually the knights built up numbers. SOunds like Rook squads are alittle too lazy to do that...they want AH Welfare? ;)
Actually, some squads, like the =Ghosts= are expanding all the time. However, we just had the 81st move over to the Bish after a loud pissing contest with some other squads. Due to that, the Rook numbers dropped by about 30 in the span of 5 minutes, right in the middle of the peak hours.
I understand that emotions tend to run high, especially among the strat players. However, I found the whole thing rather distasteful school yard antics. Seriously, if the majority of the country doesn't want to play your way, simply take your squad to one corner of the map and do your own thing, but when you just pack up and leave, that's not good. Yeah, there was considerable justification for being angry. It's sad for me because I have several friends in the 81st, who I really enjoyed flying and working with. Maybe they need a break from the constant bickering. However, why not talk to Bish squads and see if they can work out a squad swap for a few weeks? Indeed, maybe there's a Bish squad that could use a break too.
I think the problem stems from the fact that too many people feel the need to be in charge. I watched a pissing contest in the country channel about the use of a CV group. Both groups had good points, but neither were willing to reach some middle ground. Not good stuff ladies. Such stubborness will drive more individuals and squads elsewhere. Knock it off please.
As it stands, this sort of internal conflict results in lopsided numbers like last evening, where the total Bish/Knit numbers added up to something over 300, against which we had just 58 Rooks. I am rapidly becoming convinced that the Rooks are their own worst enemy. That needs to change.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Oedipus
...SALLY STRUTHERS BEGS YOU TO SAVE THE ROOKS
Share Your Love with an Aces High Player in Need; Become a Sponsor!
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ROFL!!
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Originally posted by TheManx
My squad came rook and it was tough at the start. We did lose some players, but the fact of giving up just because "it's too tough" dosen't make sense. We're adapting and learning to fly in a new type of environment. I'd like to see more squads doing it, but they'd have to be very strong willed to succeed at it. If your squad isn't strong, you'll find it out in a real hurry.
Manx... Squadmate...
But for ONCE we can play on a side that WINS every now and then? The telethon is over, I'm sick of Jerry's Kids :)
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and.........help the ..........SAVE THE ROOKS FOUNDATION........
hey guys im all for evening up the numbers its the only thing to make it fun for everyone to play!
I myself have always been a rook and since beta days it seems the rooks have (most times) the least numbers (but not always)
One things for sure iwe ROOKS tend to fly in a "TAGET RICH ENVIROMENT" but as well our 6's tend to be full of red icons.
Either way to every and all WELCOME TO THE ROOKS!
box
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When Knights were the red-headed stepchild of AH, I whined in a thread about numbers, basically I was told to STFU.
Many squadrons including my newly formed VMF-323 just went on a recruiting drive, eventually the knights built up numbers. SOunds like Rook squads are alittle too lazy to do that...they want AH Welfare?
Ripsnort is absolutely right. Every country goes through down turns. For a while the Knights were the ones with low numbers. Then there was a phase where the Bishops had low numbers during peak US hours. Now the Rooks are in that hole.
Only thing that can be done is for the Rooks to take a good hard look at themselves and figure out what has caused the drop in numbers and then for several Rook squads work toward rectifying the problems, rebuilding numbers and stop the hostility and behavior that is making not fun to fly Rooks and driving people away.
First off people got to realize this is a voluntary hobby that most of us play to relieve stress. Anything that makes it unfun will cause people to leave. Right now the general culture is making it unfun for many people. Rooks have to realize is that if you ask other pilots or Rooks squads to help they will if they can. If you demand that they do something or try to order them to do something more likely than not you will put their hackles up and they won't. Even if somebody does something stupid if you berate them about it and rant about it all you will do is piss them off.
It all comes down to the difference of asking for help to accomplish something and trying to order non squad mates about.
Also the poor treatment of new players and people that come over from other countries needs to stop. For somebody to come over from the Knights and recieve FLAK about being a spy or open hostility when they decided to fly Rooks and we are outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1 is silly and has caused more than a few to switch countries back as soon as they can because of the poor treatment. Yes, spying could happen but think things through first even if they are spying its one less pilot for the other side. Second what the heck are they spying about .. when we are outnumbered as much as we have been spying really doesn't matter.
So in my opinion its a cultural thing that needs to be fixed and Rooks need to start working more together again (more than once every 3 weeks in an RJO event).
Several of the Rooks squads are talking about trying to fix things and deal with issues.
As for squads coming over .. sure come on over if you want. And please ignore any of the monkeys that give you a hard time, most of us appreciate it. But the wheel will turn and we will work our way of of this situation just like Ripsnort did for the Knights. Just takes time ...
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Good post Ghstdncr! Here is one example of "helping" your country...a newbie logs in..says "How do I fly?" Don't be a smart donut and say "RTFM" or "download the readme"...help the guy out! Jump in there and lend a hand to your fellow countryman, after all, HE may be the guy that recruits 30 over to rookland for you someday once the "crack" has taken hold of his life! :)
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Take your charity and shove it up your .
I'll meet any number of you in the air at the same time (and die ingloriously no doubt), but I'll be damned if I want whiny, condecending handouts. If I decide that I just can't hack it flying Rook anymore I'll change to Knits or Bish.
If you want to fly Rook for awhile and have some fun blasting Knits and Bishes, that's great and you're more than welcome. That's the attitude we like.
But if you come over to Rooks with the condecending attitude that you're "saving" us poor Rooks and you're some sort of hero for it, well, don't bother switching sides. We'd much rather have you as targets.
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Agreed Ripsnort. I have seen "newbies" treated very shabily lately. I have seen people who have switched from other countries spend more time getting hounded verbally by a small minority of Rook Monkeys screaming and yelling and throwing bananas than dodging enemy bullets.
And truthfully when a person says "Help A40 is under heavy attack we are about to fall .. help" instead of just ignoring them or try to lecture them about strategy simply answering the person and saying "my squad is stretched thin and I don't have anyone to send to you .. or let me see if I can scrounge up some guys .. or all I can spare is 2 pilots" does wonders. The courtesy if acknowledging their call for help, even if you can't help, does wonders and makes them feel like they are part of a country. Instead of just howling into the wind by themselves.
As I said its a cultural thing that needs to be addresses and several of the Rook squads are talking about it now. But the problem stems not from the majority from Rooks but a very vocal minority that just need to realize that hey if you make it unpleasant to play on your side I won't. That is why we have lost many independents and others imho.
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Gee, I would help ya out but the last time I flew with Karnak I walked away with a strange itch...
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Don't know why anyone would want to switch to rooks. They're the most fun to fight. When you're dogfighting a rook, you got a fight on your hands.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
Perhaps HTC could help out by coding into AH the ability to donate perk points. Maybe they could even recruit Sally Struthers to be the spokeswoman? !
SALLY STRUTHERS BEGS YOU TO SAVE THE ROOKS
Share Your Love with an Aces High Player in Need; Become a Sponsor!
"ROFLMAO"
That is great...:eek:
BOOT < flys Rook
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Our usual plan goes something like this....
- Tahgut, go over to (fill in field name) shoot red things till you die.
- (grunt) bombah too?
- Yes you can bomb them too
- (happy grunt)
Works for me. :)
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Topic Review (Newest First)
midnight Target Our usual plan goes something like this....
- Tahgut, go over to (fill in field name) shoot red things till you die.
- (grunt) bombah too?
- Yes you can bomb them too
- (happy grunt)
Tahgut, Tahgut, Tahgut you been slamming dirt again. You know the plan actually goes like this:
- Tahgut, go over to (fill in field name) and act as bait.
- (grunt) why me bait?
- Because you smell like fish.
- (happy grunt) Me bait, me bait, me bait.
- Okay everyone else shoot down the Knights/Bishops that Tahgut attracts.
;)
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HAH!
I may be bait, but only because my legs are better than Ripsnort's!
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Karnak,
Your right anyone who comes over needs to show respect to the Rooks just like the Rooks need to show respect to them. If somebody comes over with an attitude that he is here to save the poor besodden Rooks and starts running his mouth off to such effect .. better to stay on your side and save us all the irritation.
And vice a versa if somebody comes over and without an attitude they should be treated with respected instead of being berated, accused or shown hostility. If not then they will switch back to their old countries the soonest time that they can.
All I can promise is that Rooks, numbers low or high, people/squads switching or not, will do our best to give you one hell of a fight and make you pay for every inch of ground you try to take.
Just call us the AH Spartans and consider this Thermopylie.
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
And truthfully when a person says "Help A40 is under heavy attack we are about to fall .. help" instead of just ignoring them or try to lecture them about strategy simply answering the person and saying "my squad is stretched thin and I don't have anyone to send to you .. or let me see if I can scrounge up some guys .. or all I can spare is 2 pilots" does wonders. The courtesy if acknowledging their call for help, even if you can't help, does wonders and makes them feel like they are part of a country. Instead of just howling into the wind by themselves.
My practice is simple. If I am available to go to A40, I take a look from the tower. If the VH is up, or the field is not being actively vulched, I'll pitch in. However, it is fruitless to do anything bcause the above exists, I try to organize a counter attack to take it back, or at least come in from another field to complicate the enemy effort as much as possible.
Unfortunately, with our low numbers, most players are actively engaged when the call for help comes, making it that much more difficult to provide assistance. It sure would be nice to have enough manpower to have a rotating designated reserve squadron for just such emergencies. When not needed for combat, they could run goons for the other squads, or the like.
My regards,
Widewing
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What happened with the 81st??? That's bad news.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Rooks, always outnumbered. But, even in that persistent situation:
The Rooks have 48489 kills and have been killed 44460 times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 55351 kills and have been killed 50892 times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 73602 kills and have been killed 79080 times against the Knights.
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well <
> for the idea. THis may be a bit long... but for anyone interested in coming to Rooks here is some thoughts....
background inf: our squad went rooks back in April after being knits from November 2001. (thats when the squad started). we left knits because of a similar situation that made the 81st leave rooks. poor judgement by others in the country makes you rather mad.
i have to say we beleive we have a home now!
we sometimes get upset at some of the actions of the fellow countrymen, but generally they are very respectible guys.
yes we have talked about things that piss us off and after discussion we realized the Rooks are the best country. (it helps that our CO and i both live in Milwaukee so we can call each other any time we want... and actually talk Daily about tactics and plans for our squad)
back to why we switched...
a short example is something we've watched all sides and how they react.
on Mindanao the country in the west has it made mostly. but occasionally an NOE raid takes A12 or A21. the last night we were Knights A12 got taken by an infamous AK raid. we immedately augered our planes and went to try and get A12 back because of how dangerous it it to lose that base.
well the knights responded with maybe 15 planes in all. it was a hopeless fight.
now the rooks were in this same situation not 2 weeks later and the mass of fellow countrymen was incredible. (we had switched by then). the base was taken back in under 15 min.
i have wactched this happen to the bish.. and they were about the same as the rooks.
Back to my point...(LOL MAJOR rambling)
the rooks seem to have a good understanding of what teamwork can do, and when you need to band together.
i can't count how many times we have defended bases and the rooks ask if we need help... then respond if we do.
unfortunately the #'s have been so bad as of late that defence is all we do.
I know there are 3-4 nights a MONTH that the rooks #'s are even or in an advantage and it ALWAYS goes great!
whenever #'s are even we seem to have the advantage in bases or at least get to that point. not to Flame other countries or pilots but i truly believe the rooks have the best sticks in the game. against equal odds we will win! :D (Smiley for impact!)
The Loss of the 81st was big. i remember flying with a few of them and will miss the the action and quality of the fights.
it all goes back to the #'s issue. there are countless times i have flown with 5-6 pilots and meet up with 6-7 enemies. 90% + of the time i have watched more of the enemy go home than we do. thats what its all about, send more enemies home than friendlies and you will win.
that is my humble observations on the Rooks as a country... i have been a knight and thankfully never a bish (LOL) so take this how you want. Fly rooks and we will be happy to fly with you.
<> and welcome aboard any squads or individual pilots wo want the challenge of a target rich environment for as long as it takes for the #'s to be even again (like they were about 5 months ago!)
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I don't really understand how people get so worked up about loyalty to an imaginary country named after a chess piece. Loyalty to squadmates and friends is different however. I stay Rooks because my squad is Rooks at the moment. If the CO decides we should move then I'll go along.
Being the underdog country can be a drag but sometimes you can make it fun. Last night the Rooks were being pounded by both Bish and Knits (130 : 40 approx numbers) so I went goon hunting. It was great fun tearing along on the deck in a 190D9 underneath a stream of knit fighters going from A5 to A11 (ndisles map). I killed 5 goons, got two fighter kills and rtb'd safely (although missing my rudder).
It was fantastic fun, I must have spent about 15 minutes underneath the fighter stream, the goons I killed must have been really cheesed off, seeing they had so many little friends around! At one point I had about 6 or 7 fighters closing on me (thanks to some timely help from camo and FTER I got away though). Sometimes being badly outnumbered can make for some fun sorties. Come Rook, if you can stand the ganging it can be fun. :)
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Originally posted by Oedipus
SALLY STRUTHERS BEGS YOU TO SAVE THE ROOKS
LOL, Sally Struthers ... dats a good'n hehehe!
Geez, the formula is simple, have fun, be nice to your fellow Countrymen, make the best of the situation, and eventually the worm will turn ;). When the numbers are like they are, it's easy to get frustrated and spout off, but it only makes matters worse. It's like the Alamo in Rookland every night ... just grab your beaverskin cap and join in on the fun :).
Cya Up!
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Sure I get shot down more when numbers are so uneven but I wouldn't trade it for nothing. I love having so many targets to shoot at, but sometimes it's just darn hard to decide just which target to shoot down :).
I am a rook and will stay one no matter what the numbers are. Don't need anyone's charity or pitty, just keep bringing on those targets is all I ask. :D
fsCage
VMF-27 Blackcats
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Myself and several (10+) sqaudies went rook tonight. We flew mainly w/our brethern/friends in the Nazgul and had a blast!
I doubt if we'll see my sqaud actualy MOVE to the Rooks but I can see us "visiting" now and then.
I would suggest others try this. The Rooks treated us well and acted w/pure class. Anyway all the guys I flew with.
xBAT
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hey I had fun about 12 hours ago when it was still the NDIsles Map. Rooks were outnumbers 3:3:1 in the beginning, and we were down to four or five bases, Bishops had A17 and Knights had A11. We even lost P14 to Knights but managed to cling on to C13 and take P14 back. (Of course, what helped this situation was that the Bishops and Knights were up at each others' throats for trying to get the reset and well... you know what happens...)
After a long fought battle, we managed to take back A11 and quickly took back A17. We then worked on A18, A19, and P21. Lucky for us, we found C20 and sunk it right after we took P21.
Bishops launched a counterstrike on A12 from A7 while some Knights attacked A11 from A5. We fought those off and worked on A7. Some of us took A10 from C13 and A9. By the time A7 fell to our rightful hands, we had taken V3, A4, and A5 as well.
By the time I logged, we captured A8 for about 15 bases in all and Knights were the underdogs.
All throughout the evening, Rooks had the lowest number of players, although at some points, Knights and Rooks were about even.
It seems the Bishops got the reset, but I had lots of fun doing it. Torpedoing C20 using the Ju88 was extremely gratifying.
This, I think, can only be done if Rooks were together during the course of the evening.
Just a story from my side, which I thought might be of relevance to the topic.
I am having fun flying as Rooks ;)
as Dawggus me former CO says, CYA UP!
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Frodo (a rook pilot extraordinaire) and I had a conversation about the low Rook numbers two nights ago and we both agreed that one of the problems is that it's nearly impossible for a newbie to survive and learn anything in the environment that Rookland finds itself in day after day.
They are just 'meat' for the Bish and Knits. They run for the cover of the other countries were they can get lost in the numbers and have time to pick up the skills necessary to survive in the Main Arena.
As for a comment I read above about new pilots being treated shabbily in Rookland, I have not seen, nor heard of a new pilot being turned away when a 'newbie' question is asked. Since most questions tend to come through Channel 1 they get the best advise from all countries, and not just rooks. There are a few rooks that are probably only 12 to 14 years old (or at least sound like it on Vox!) and they are treated with the same respect as a more seasoned (read ‘old’) pilot. If it has happened, it has been an isolated case.
Maybe if all of us in Rookland were to pick up on a new guy sooner, invite them into our squad, and mentor them, we might find our 'country' growing again.
And as for all of the pissing and moaning that comes from a certain type of online pilot that see things only in ‘strat’ terms, my only comment is that there is only offense and defense. The is no neutral ground. And how you act and fly is based upon that. We in Rookland find ourselves more on the defense than offense and that changes the complexion of our 'strat' The good 'strat' pilot is the one who can do more with less. It's easy to talk 'strat' when you have a numerical advantage. Try doing it with only a few, because a few pilots are all that you may get in the current Rook environment. My squad, The Original Flying Tigers routinely takes fields with no more than 3 to 4 pilots (and one of them is in the Goon!)
In summation, come to Rookland, endure, and become a better online pilot for it.
Hawk out.
Hwkeye
The Original Flying Tigers
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When you have a three country system,the two numerically superior countries will pick on the weaker country.It's human nature.The quest for victory and defeating your opponent is a strong one,and getting there fustest with the mostest,is highly desireable.
I've flown most of the online sims for a lotta years,and they all suffered from this problem.Nobody likes getting thier arse whipped all the time,and some of the less tolerant,will slide over to the stronger sides,so they can participate in the ganging.
I thought WB's more tolerant attitude about side changing was admirable,as if the #'ers were not fair,a few good hearted souls,would switch sides.I didn't care for the guys that flew Axis rides early war,then allied, when they would gain a advantage.
I read somewhere that a fighter pilot needs to be offensive minded,are he's lost.Being a Rook in AH,you had better be offensive minded in a defensive way.
By the way,my take on the sims I've flown..best over all AH..best crowd AW..best skilled pilots WB's.
DobeSr
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Rooks, always outnumbered. But, even in that persistent situation:
The Rooks have 48489 kills and have been killed 44460 times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 55351 kills and have been killed 50892 times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 73602 kills and have been killed 79080 times against the Knights.
And what the numbers don't show is that it takes 10 Bish and 10 Knits to kill one Rook
I think that the Bish and Knits need to recruit more guys to make it fair for them
SKDenny
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xBAT, I enjoyed the company of "The Flying Circus" and I know that the rest of my squad enjoyed it more.
Now, I have beat my head on the brick wall of "lack of numbers".
I will still offer this reply "It's what you do with those numbers that makes or breaks you". I have read whines on the country channel and those whiners are 1 of 4-9 planes chasing a lone con for that "KILL". You guys wonder?
As for strat players. I won't debate it, my squad does it, I do it. I won't get into a pissing contest with anyone over this. We have thwarted many Bishop and Knight attacks by hitting fuel and ammo, it isn't worth the time and effort to justify it. Usually when you get 100 people from all over, um, NOONE does the exact same thing. It's human nature. Some hit strat, some don't, big deal.
I fly Rook ALSO because my squad is Rook. I give help when needed and when asked. I was ignored around the weekend and left out of protest and flew with the "Flying Circus". Certain Rooks have an arrogance problem. Planning useless missions to attack bases that have no tactical importance. I sat back for so long (5 months) and said nothing. Now when the one time I choose to oppose (nicely mind you) I get flak for it. The next day the "arrogant ones" start where they left the night before. Their thick skulls didn't realize that THEY were pissed, not I.
The moral of the story? I don't know Rooks, tell me. As for the side switching I did. JB, I've already talked to you about it and will NOT discuss it with anyone else , except squad and you. It was a much needed 1 hour break from immaturity.
Our squad is tight and like every relationship in life has it's peaks and valleys. NAZGUL you have taken brotherhood and friendship to a very high level. I owe 99% of my ability to you guys. You have put up with smart bellybutton comments and wisecracks for over 7 months now. You have taught me more than I have given in return. In addition, we don't die, we're already dead.
I agree the chess piece dedication is a little too much. How many Rooks in squads would ACTUALLY stay Rook if their CO left. Um, hmm..let me think about that one. NOT ONE. It isn't about the chess piece, it is about the people inside of the country.
I don't know of anything else to say than besides my squad: Sea Serpents, FTSeeker, FTPiper (and the rest of the Flying Tigers), OddCAF, GrimmCAF, JesterCAF (and the rest of the Cactus Air Force), Manx, Luarth, Sekiji, WideWing, KKEN, Mn7Duct, Mn7McQ (and the rest of the Magnificent Seven), JB42, JB73, TG12, Flaps737, MANDOBLE, Midnight Target, Tahgut, Japanx and the many more who have shown me and others in the Rook country that teamwork is the only way to fight. We shouldn't fight each other, but some like too I guess
Rooks realize this about me. I am blunt. I tell it like it is. I don't hold back. Some don't like me in Rookland, while others hopefully tolerate me. I back ANY of you guys up in the air (6's, clearing cons, etc). I just hope you all so the same in the future and to ALL of your countrymen. This is a team effort, not a ME effort.
I've been up since 1pm yesterday.
I'll be on around 1pm. "My" night.
Karaya2
to all sticks in this game friend or "foe".
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"Rooks, always outnumbered. But, even in that persistent situation:
The Rooks have 48489 kills and have been killed 44460 times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 55351 kills and have been killed 50892 times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 73602 kills and have been killed 79080 times against the Knights."
The rooks are the most fun to fight... The bish are the worst and... the least fun... I believe that the bish can be divided into 2 equal groups... suicide building battlers who think taking a field is important and the timid high alt opportunists. The two groups compliment each other with the building battlers suiciding into the field and the timid alt weines coming in on the second (or fifth) wave when it is "safe" in fast planes.
neither group is fun to fight and both are easy to kill but you spend a lot of time doing nothing. It is best to simply avoid bish wussies.
lazs
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Rooks, always outnumbered. But, even in that persistent situation:
The Rooks have 48489 kills and have been killed 44460 times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 55351 kills and have been killed 50892 times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 73602 kills and have been killed 79080 times against the Knights.
Evidentally something to that:
turbot has 131 kills and has been killed 36 times against the Bishops.
turbot has 135 kills and has been killed 56 times against the Rooks.
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Karaya2,
You told us Rooks that 'we had no balls". When I teased you about it you got all pissy. (I think you mentioned something about squelching some folks? Was I one of them?)
You stated that "Certain Rooks have an arrogance problem". Ok, but are you going to tell me, and other Rooklanders, that there are NO arrogant pilots within the Bishop community? How about the Knights? Not one overly confident individual there at all?
Probably the worst that you can say about Rooks is that we tend to be a rather independent lot.
Karaya2, your efforts within Rookland has always been appreciated. I apologize if my teasing added to your frustration and unhappiness.
Hwkeye
The Original Flying Tigers
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Hwkeye, when we had a mission to "attack and take 33" we ended up losing 8-10 fields to Bish (whom that mission attacked) and never did get that base.
When you find yourself in the position I was in, you would have done the same AND, it didn't seem like you were teasing. Big deal, I showed some tough love, who cares. I was over it though. Never squelched you I just ignored you (trust me If I did, I would have told you).
So, back to the meat of the story. Two squadmates and One other Rook managed to capture two bases within 8 minutes. We were "chastized" for "splitting up resources" for a base we never were going to take in the first place. So after those two bases were snuck. On the Banter channel (2) more sticks were actually GOING to 33 than A1. When after all, 4 planes accomplished more than 30? maybe on that mission.
I can debate all day with you. I moved on. I am tired of the whining desktop generals that put us in the crapper (I am not alone on this). Am I saying I am "the man?" No, what I am saying is, that the BS which has been circling around the Rooks lately HAS TO STOP! and STOP NOW!
BTW, what you guys failed to realized is I typed that to light a fire under your asses.
Bottom line of this moral. I was ACTUALLY teasing when I typed that. A few decided to act like children shortly thereafter and show their true colors. I moved on and had fun the rest of the night capturing bases and running under jabos. I'm blunt so this might piss some people off. Sorry, was raised to be honest.
Karaya2
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Quit turning the CV!, Where is the Goon?!
These are the normal stick squeezing times for every side. I consider my squad and I very lucky to be surrounded by fellow pilots that have a common goal and are open for (will u, could u and have u) communications.
Several pilots have earned the right to be looked at as flight leaders, with some of the missions they have flown. Some of them did not go completely as planned but was executed very well. These same pilots crawl through the ditches with u earning even more respect, in turn getting more effort from his comrades.
For everyone to be in command, u’ll catch urself up without anyone in a formation. Allow for new tactics, Allow for not so a WHOORAAA success. Getting some of ur fellow pilots to try to make a mission will build a good team.
The list of pilots that are due respect would be long, so to all the Knights.
Good Huntin
spiker
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Rooks, always outnumbered. But, even in that persistent situation:
The Rooks have 48489 kills and have been killed 44460 times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 55351 kills and have been killed 50892 times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 73602 kills and have been killed 79080 times against the Knights."
The rooks are the most fun to fight... The bish are the worst and... the least fun... I believe that the bish can be divided into 2 equal groups... suicide building battlers who think taking a field is important and the timid high alt opportunists. The two groups compliment each other with the building battlers suiciding into the field and the timid alt weines coming in on the second (or fifth) wave when it is "safe" in fast planes.
neither group is fun to fight and both are easy to kill but you spend a lot of time doing nothing. It is best to simply avoid bish wussies.
lazs
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Lazs..you troll, lol.
I flew w/the Rooks again last night and enjoyed it. They're a good bunch. I'd suggest others try it.
xBAT out.
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I allways liked the independent spirit of the rooks when we were there but....
With nore emphisis on "winning the war" these days.... it just isn't fun being rook. gangbanged and without radar is not worth upping.
The fault lies with the "missuns" and the emphisis on "strat'. No one in their right mind wants to be without radar and hit by hordes of suicide attackers followed by a bunch of timid "vets" with alt advantage hitting your last field or two for hours.
I would fly with rooks cause they were allways better fighters but... face reality... you don't have any freedom of movement there anymore.
lazs
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Lazs,
Your are right we don't have freedom of movement anymore. We are usually compacted into 12-15 bases now or less. And the enviroment has changed to a constant fluid battle of defense where Rooks peel off from one hot spot to another working at holding the line.
Its fun but its definitely not for everyone and basically is sort of creating a siege mentality. Where we dig in and fight but even certain types of planes are falling by the way side since they are not suited the environment we find ourselves. For example my favorite planes is the FM2 but I have not flown it for quite a while now since it really isn't conductive for what needs to be done. Instead I find myself in F4Fs because I need to get to a fight quick, I am out numbered so instead of fighting I go for disrupting incoming attacks which dictates high speed slashing attacks, etc., etc. and then I need something with speed to get me the hell out of the horde of enemy fighters I just did a firing pass through.
All in all as I said its still fun but it is interesting to see how the current environment for the Rooks is effecting our tactics, strategy, plane choices, etc.
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ooo! ooo! I wanna play the who have I killed this tour game!
Nifty has 50 kills and has been killed 15 times against the Bishops.
Nifty has 9 kills and has been killed 1 time against the Rooks.
Yeah, us Knights never fight the Bishops and we suck against Rooks! :) Actually, I'd say 6-1 against Rooks. 3 kills were in an M-16 protecting the runway during a vulch.
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ooo! ooo! Can I play too?? :)
Gixer has 115 kills and has been killed 25 times against the Bishops.
Gixer has 158 kills and has been killed 20 times against the Knits.
And like Ghstdncr for the last couple of tours I've been flying nothing but something fast to get in and out quick and trying to harass and disrupt incoming raids as much as possible.
So keep it up Knit and Bish, great fun
Oh and to all those loyal Rooks <>
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers