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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on October 22, 2002, 04:54:37 PM
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Well ? Good or bad? Did the 60's help us or hurt us?
I tend to think that the movements of the 60's helped us to include a huge segment of our Country that had been excluded from power and priviledge until that time.
The Hippies had everything right except the drugs.
Plus the music was way cool. :cool:
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I liked the direction of the 60's as far as race issues go.
I don't like that the 60's introduced the media to the opiniated college students of the days. I've never liked the aura of education without experience.
Also, I find your use of the term "power and privilege". Seems to me that the definitions have simply been changed to include a different segment. Various handfulls of people are still trying to dictate every aspect of life for the rest of us.
AKDejaVu
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The equal rights movement was a good thing.
The cars where cool.
The music was ok, if you get rid of the lame beetles.
The whole hippy movement seems kind of lame to me, and since I grew up hearing stories about how my dad had dog toejam thrown on him by anti war protesters, I think that was lame.
Want to protest fine. Want burn your draft card fine, want to run to Canada, fine go ahead and never come back. But to abuse the military men who where coming home is inexcusable! To call parents who's kids died over there and tell them there son died a baby killer and it was a good thing they died, is horrid, those people are as$holes.
If they did any good, I do not see it.
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some good some bad.
good
womens rights
minority rights
we became more accepting of people different than us (well most of us)
bad
womens rights taken too far- they seem to get all the rights and privleges of men without the reponsability and accountability, they get the best of both worlds
minority rights taken past the point of making it wrong to discrimanate against minoritys, to the point of justifying discrimination against non minoritys (aka white guys)
the whole conscept that just because someone has enough free time to be an 'activist', that somehow their opinion is more valuable than a guy putting in his work day, busting his bellybutton to carry his own weight. I mean who gives a toejam what the deadbeat thinks? get a job.
all these hippies who where sing'n the "don't sell out" song in the 60's are now running companys that charge $5 for a pint of icecream, $250 for concert tickets and $3 for a cup of coffee. they made a very lucrative switch from money being a 'tool of the man', and being the love generation to being the 'cha-ching $$ generation'
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I think the 60's shaped the cool nation USA is now.
If that movement had never happened, america would still be square!
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Ah.. but 60s did nothing to protect the rights of citizens of Puerto Rico. Now shut up and get back under my desk.
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One of the most important events in American history occurred in the 60's, and no one noticed. People where so caught up in the war, and which politician got bumped off this month, that it slipped by. Who and what we are was forever changed by having Democrats in the White house, and in congress.
In 1960 90 percent of Americans where of northern European decent. Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong. And, we needed to fill the place up with people from the third world. Since that time, massive numbers of these immigrants have poured into our country. The America I knew as a boy has not existed for years now. Ironically, what much of the world perceives as being America has not existed for years. This change is ongoing and, they say that decades before the end of this century. Americans of northern European decent will be a minority.
I feel safe in saying that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind :)
Whether this change will be for the better remains to be seen. The desire for freedom is strong in all men IMO. This combined with the tools provided for us by the constitution should insure that what is at the heart of this country will survive. Either way, I wont live long enough to find out. Good luck to you young fella's
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Ja ja easymo, I agree!
Ze USA vent from a country full of pure aryan, european immigrants to one full of untermensch third world immigrants!
It iz outrageous!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well ? Good or bad? Did the 60's help us or hurt us?
Well, in my opinion, the 60s were way better than the 50s they replaced in the field. Better rate of fire, better penetration.... what? OHHHH, you mean the DECADE!!!! Silly me.... carry on.... :p
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You libs should just make up a form. Then you could just post it whenever you decide someone has said something non-PC. You always have the same response anyway. It would save time. It would, of course, have to include the mandatory Nazi reference. The raciest accusation. And of course corporate lackey. BTW. Running dog, imperialist, has fallen out of fashion.
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(Wasnt alive in the 60's)
From reading/watching/listening to what went on - the civil rights movement was a good thing... but thats about it in my opinion. The music sucked... its almost scary, and as was previously stated, bashing the servicemen returning from Vietnam is absolutely inexcusible. I'd like to think that alot of us that didnt live through it think of the vast majority of the "hippie" movement was based on stupid kids that didnt want to work, yet needed some sort of fulfillment out of their lives... hell, somethings got to be wrong... ::click:: THATS IT!!! Ok guys, this week we're going to protest the US Government!
Hope it doesnt happen again...
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GTO -
The music was ok, if you get rid of the lame beetles.
The Liverpudlian musicians were known as the Beatles. Wait a minute... I think you were referring to me and others like me - Doh!
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hippies good???
what about the discrimination against Vietnam Vets??? Surely the war was wrong but what gives them the right to take away the honor from these selfless warriors who risked so much to serve their country??? What do the hippies give in return? a load of crap which would make the lives of these soldiers more miserable
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Originally posted by easymo
One of the most important events in American history occurred in the 60's, and no one noticed. People where so caught up in the war, and which politician got bumped off this month, that it slipped by. Who and what we are was forever changed by having Democrats in the White house, and in congress.
In 1960 90 percent of Americans where of northern European decent. Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong. And, we needed to fill the place up with people from the third world. Since that time, massive numbers of these immigrants have poured into our country. The America I knew as a boy has not existed for years now. Ironically, what much of the world perceives as being America has not existed for years. This change is ongoing and, they say that decades before the end of this century. Americans of northern European decent will be a minority.
I feel safe in saying that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind :)
Whether this change will be for the better remains to be seen. The desire for freedom is strong in all men IMO. This combined with the tools provided for us by the constitution should insure that what is at the heart of this country will survive. Either way, I wont live long enough to find out. Good luck to you young fella's
You are kidding, right?
....right?
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What part of that post is not true?
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Originally posted by easymo
What part of that post is not true?
Sorry, maybe I mis-interpreted your post.
It seemed like to you it was a bad thing that the "dems" decided that America was just not a Northen European gig.
When in fact that was never true from the moment slaves set foot in America, for example.
You are right, maybe thats not what our forefathers had in mind, cause I believe they never had race or ancestry in mind.
"bring me your tired and poor" was never race, region or religion specific :)
Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong.
I dont think that was the case.
I think "they" (and I'm not talking democrats only here) decided that a big chunk of those 200 years could not be neglected anymore.
And by history, I dont mean what was in school-books before the 60's. I mean true history.
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I think the 60's were fun, but I just can't remember....
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Originally posted by Animal
I think the 60's shaped the cool nation USA is now.
If that movement had never happened, america would still be square!
And most likely unnoticed by Al Queda...
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Funny, we had this discussion recently on another board...here's what one poster said:
The left, at one time, mainly the 60's were composed of nothing more than bored people, who wanted to change America, and fix some things that were not broken, simply to gripe about something. They immediately took sides with actual organizations that, at the time, actually did good. I.E. ACLU. They, infested the teachers, and lawyers system, so that they could "preach" their new gospel, or anti-gospel to children, and
enforce it by making new laws.
To fast forward 40 years, we now have a vast majority of colleges, so socialist, that they will not ever sponser a conservative speaker, although they sponser lefties constantly. The biggest democratic forums on the internet, forbid any posts that might speak negatively toward
any liberal agenda, or politician. Conservative speakers, when allowed on a campus, are told they can not speak about suicide bombings, reparations, the war on terror, or abortion, and when they do, they get sued, (ask Horowitz).
The ACLU, now governed by the socialistic hippies left over from the 60's, now make it possible to get fired, arrested, and prosecuted for a word someone may say.
They are ok with burning flags, and protesting war, but when a conservative wants to speak, it is No Way, Jose!.
The elite left, which have more than 50% of their make-up to the women activists such as NOW members, are the biggest hipocrits, with double
standards in America today. They elect politicians through bribery. They buy votes by taking the money from people who earned it, and giving it
to those who are inclined to vote democratic. The use lies such as "George Bush caused the stock market crash due to his tax cut" & "George
Bush single handedly encouraged enron. worldcom, adelphia etc.. to continue the financial shenanigans that caused our crisis" in order to scare anyone in a union and with a 401K into voting democrat, and they use the worst tactic, scaring old people, by saying Bush will take away their medicine, and social security.
They take freedom of speech, to the Nth level, by concocting lies and absurdities and spreading that propaganda to the public. This is protected. But when a conservative tries to tell the truth, they are blasted. When the ultra-rights say that demorcratic voters are ignorant, or stupid, sometimes, I have to ask myself a couple questions. I know many many democrats are brilliant individuals. But, how can the entire
democratic party be so unaware of basic, and fundamental economics, that they would ever vote democrat. How, could anyone who values freedom vote democratic? How could anyone who wants to live life according by their own rules vote democratic. There are many questions I would like answers too. I am not so quick to call democratic voters stupid. My entire family, minus myself are democrats. Many generations of democrats. Does the fact, that I am the only one with college degrees, and advanced licenses mean anything, I doubt it. My income, maybe?
My biggest question, would have to be, and the one I ponder most: Why, do liberals/democrats, use free speech and civil rights as one of their
biggest fear tactics in order to receive votes, when they are the party most likely to strip America of those rights, and why do democratic
voters fall for it?
Put that in your bong and smoke it. :D
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for me... the sixties started in about '67 and ended midway through the 70's. Most people are reallyu talking about those years when they say "the sixties".
Best part was being a biker and being mistaken for a harmless hippie. Lot of drugs that were all new and the sex was decent and without fear of death. Couple drugs that were plentiful and the normal youthful lack of fear of death and you can imagine.
communes were interesting.. if you were a biker you could travel around and spend a couple of three days at one for free... free food drugs booze and sex. They started to get depressing and desperate and dirty around the mid 70's and.... inhospitable.
bikers ran crank, topless bars and massage parlors.. mexican mafia got started... drive by shootings and serial killing came into vogue. aids... herpes.. AMF bought Harley...
muscle cars were good and shovelheads were better than panheads.
hippies? hippies were the first group of males that thought being a wuss would get em laid... they started it.
what else you wanna know?
lazs
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"I mean true history."
I can only imagine what kind of lefty spin has been put on this lie.
FWIW. Long before the anti war protesters moved into the Democratic party. We where taught such things as, Jefferson owned slaves and that, that was shameful. We where taught that when the founding fathers spoke of freedom, they did not have indentured servants, or other common white folks in mind. Much less slaves. We where not taught that America was built on the backs of the black man. The math just didn't work. It is just impossible to belive that one ignorant slave, picking cotton, could support 9 white men in style. I got to belive some white guy, somewhere, picked up a plow along the way. Not to mention, a rifle to defend it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
hippies? hippies were the first group of males that thought being a wuss would get em laid... they started it.
lazs
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When I first met Mrs. easymo, she was this hippie dippie, collage, chick. She was an attractive blonde, and had many suitors. I once asked her why she had picked on me, to get married. When the others had the same hippie values she had, had at the time. And I had just gotten out of the Army. She explained that she was doing what girls are supposed to do in collage. Having a really good time. But when it came time to get serious. She wanted a man like her Father. I guess you have to be female to understand the logic in that:). While I cant put myself in the same class as her father, I was flattered all the same.
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They take freedom of speech, to the Nth level, by concocting lies and absurdities and spreading that propaganda to the public. This is protected. But when a conservative tries to tell the truth, they are blasted.
funny stuff. Irony always cracks me up.
Abuse of servicemen returning from the war was very wrong. It was also not as prevelent as you might think.
Lazs, ever wonder if the commune and free love stuff you took advantage of, might have collapsed due to people taking advantage instead of trying to understand?
Maybe it just isn't in our nature to allow that little experiment to succeed. I dunno. I spent my teens and early 20's in the apathetic 70's.
Easymo, how exactly is the change in demographics the fault of the democrats? Seems to me birth rates and immigration laws that are even handed would bring on the same results.
GTO, first Freebird, now the Beatles..... my god man! Have you no shame?
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In medicine, technology, civil rights progression, alot of GOOD came out of the 60's...as far as a society, alot of bad. My opinion naturally.
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Nah, I was not talking about you or people like you. I just dislike the beatles so much, I couldn't be bothered to learn how to spell there name.
IMHO they are the worst of the 60s music, popy BS, they where the backstreet boys of their day.
The Stones where so much better lol
Honestly in the other thread I had fun debating guns with ya. I even learned a few things and to me that makes any conversation a good one. Oh and no it did not change any of my opinions.
:D
Tahgut!
Man I am just calling them like I see them! lol
At least I like the rest of Skynard. One of my hells would be me stuck in a room with only songs from the beatles playing and no way to stop it or kill my self!!:D
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The '60s were okay. I remember muscle cars and pony cars (drool). The music was pretty good except when it got preachy. Clothes were kind of funky.
But what was all that shouting about?:confused:
Seriously, the main things that I hated about the '60s was the death of civility. We lost the ability, as a nation, to sit down calmly and discuss issues such as politics. Everything good became bad, and everything bad became good. I hated the arrogance of the socialist movements and drug cultures that dominated many college campuses. I despised the attempts to descredit and ruin our social institutions.
The '60s generation definitely had a tremendous impact on the culture of the United States, but I doubt that it will be remembered as a "Great Generation."
Regards, Shuckins
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"It was also not as prevelent as you might think. "
Another lie.
Iwas there. It got so bad they had to route returning soliders through Ft. Lewis, Washington. To avoid the commerical airports.
To answer your question. The Dem's voted in immigration laws to restrict immigration from Europe. And to increase that form other countries.
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BTW. Another thing, I just remembered. They advised us to ware civies, when we went home on leave, to avoid confrontations. Imagine not being able to ware the uniform of the U.S.Army, in my own country.
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No question that it happened easymo, and no argument that it was hatefully wrong.
I tried to find some more on this subject, because now I am not sure of the extent of the abuse our soldiers received. It seems that not too many really know how often vets were treated badly, but it is well documented that it did happen.
One article I found seem to be pretty even handed. I thought this snippet was interesting:
"members of such groups as the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion shunned Vietnam veterans because of their long hair, love beads, and peace symbols that many wore. In the Veterans Administration hospitals, wounded Vietnam veterans were treated as second-class citizens by the World War II veterans who worked in and ran the hospitals. The 'class of 46,'' as the Vietnam-era vets dubbed the old-timers, thought Vietnam had not been a 'real war'"(Lembke, 78). It is clear from these citations that if anything is a myth, it is the idea that hippies committed all of these hateful acts. Undoubtedly, there were some hippies who spit on veterans or made hurtful comments, but to say that all hippies did so is an unfair generalization.
I remember my Dad (a WW2 vet) talking about how his homecoming was no big deal (1946), and how he felt the VN vets were making a too much of the issue (This was the early 70's). At the time I argued with him, I was a teenager, but it would seem that the WW2 era vets as well as the hippies had a role in turning the Country's back on the returning Vets.
Some good stuff
HERE (http://www.providence.edu/polisci/affigne/students/vietnam/vietpaper.htm)
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The left's PR guys have been trying to cover their tracks since that grave (excuse me. Monument) was put up in Washington. As the political winds changed, they found them selves with a very immbarrisng image to spin.
I am not speaking from some artical I read somewhere. I am speaking from personal experiance.
The standered leftie M O is to keep pounding at a lie, until it becomes the truth. The only defence an ordinary guy, like me, has. Is to present the truth whenever that happens.
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On the WW vet thing. I can only wonder what my old SDI would think of that. He was a WW2, and Korea vet. He also did 2 tours in Vietnam.
There was an element of truth in that point.
"We where in the BIG one"
But is was only the fear of old soldiers, that they might be forgotten in the furor of a new war. I have heard Viet vets say the same dumb bellybutton things about Desert storm troopers. If you are one of the unlucky ones, whos son comes home in a bag. Thats as real as war gets.
In the end that subject is just some misdirection on the part of the left's PR people.
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"Lazs, ever wonder if the commune and free love stuff you took advantage of, might have collapsed due to people taking advantage instead of trying to understand"
I was there.... No need to wonder. Like a gut shot animal they ate themselves alive. It was an unworkable idea. several people working hard and the rest laying around. I took less advantage than their own members did. I fixed an old GMC truck and a generator at a few of those places... just for something to do.
Towards the end they were more like gypsies in the worst sense of the word. It was socialism in the microcosm... totaly unworkable... those who were willing to carry the load were constantly aware of those who weren't. Mostly... they started sinking toward the medieval toward the end... Dirty, lazy, whiney, drug addicted and criminal toward the end.. disease and selfishness and self pity. superstition and bigotry.. That is what they were toward the end.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Towards the end they were more like gypsies in the worst sense of the word. It was socialism in the microcosm... totaly unworkable... those who were willing to carry the load were constantly aware of those who weren't. Mostly... they started sinking toward the medieval toward the end... Dirty, lazy, whiney, drug addicted and criminal toward the end.. disease and selfishness and self pity. superstition and bigotry.. That is what they were toward the end.
lazs
Damn, those are the key symbolic foundations of todays DNC, Lazs!
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rip... I am aware of that.. I was there for that too.
lazs
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I too, was there in the '60's. I pretty much agree with what Lazs and Easymo said.
There were "Two '60's". "Sixties I" was the period from 1960 to Feb.- March, 1968. Though we had lost President Kennedy(we got over it pretty quickly, despite what revisionist historians and purveyors of psycho-babble may say) , life was as good as it gets during this exciting time. We also didn't "lose sleep" or wring our hands over the "Nuclear Armegeddon" threat either, despite Hollywood's/the "Media's" fascination with this theme, we pretty-much ignored it.
Good economic times, cheap prices, amazing advances in science and medicine, the Space Race, the Civil Rights Movement, the "British Invasion", creatively inspired music, the emergence of Jazz and "Black Music" into national popularity, un-bounded freedom, optimism, and the terrors of Viet Nam were still mostly on the periphery of the American consciousness. Things were only going to get better and better.
Then came "Tet", Martin Luther King's assassination, Robert Kennedy's assassination, massive race riots, bitter and violent war "protests", and the whole fabric of American life seem to come apart at the seams. 1968 was easily the most frightening year i have ever experienced in my life. Many of us thought that the United States was going to crumble before our very eyes. I was there for some of the war protests, riots, etc.
I know who organized some of them as well as their political affiliation. I won't go into it here, but suffice it to say there WERE "foreign elements" involved, that they were indeed Communist, and that they forged an alliance with elements of the domestic Leftist/Anti-War sympathizers in the Democrat Party.
"'60's Part Two" went from '68 to 1973. The great "Gas Crisis I" and finally Richard Nixon's resignation brought the '60's to a bitter end and gave us the "Great Cultural Nadir" known as the '70's.
And we have been "recovering" ever since. In my life i have seen the "pendulum" swing both ways indeed. The balanced, societal "equalibrium" between some of the failed, destructive, wild-assed "new ideas" of the Left and the restrictive, "this is the way we've all ways done it", worship of the "almighty dollar" by the Right is tenuous and short-lived at best.
I have been on this earth for over a half-century and this i have learned:
Whoever called it "the thin veneer of civilization" knew exactly what he was talking about.
"Only the dead have seen the last of War" is an absolute truth.
"The play is the same. Only the actors have changed." is an absolute truth.
And these quotes of Sir Winston Churchill:
" To work from weakness and fear is ruin. To work from wisdom and power may be salvation."
"What is the point in crying out for the moon when you have the sun."
"We have not journeyed across the centuries, across the oceans, across the mountains, across the prairies, because we are made of sugar-candy."
"An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last.
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."
" The only guide to a man is his conscience; the only shield to his memory is the rectitude and sincerity of his actions."
In the end, the '60's weren't "good or bad". They just, were.......
C.
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"The Eagle has landed"
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capt. apathy: ...womens rights taken too far- they seem to get all the rights and privleges of men without the reponsability and accountability, they get the best of both worlds
Not really. Those that try to "get the best of both worlds" are failing miserably for defying the nature. You can't be a career woman and a good mom at the same time. So they are stressed out, miserable, unhappy losers.
miko
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Originally posted by MrOrange
"The Eagle has landed"
are you sure????
not everyone believes that nowadays - amazing ain't it.
1 to 10 years old during the sixities - hot wheels tracks, creepy crawler sets, army men, model a/c & ships, Marti Gra in NO, pop warner football & baseball, crawdad fishin in the canal, Estes model rockets, you could ride ur spider bike anywhere and not worry bout some nutbag attacking/stealing/killing u....
the 60's were great for me, my little bro & sisters
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Originally posted by Eagler
are you sure????
not everyone believes that nowadays - amazing ain't it.
1 to 10 years old during the sixities - hot wheels tracks, creepy crawler sets, army men, model a/c & ships, Marti Gra in NO, pop warner football & baseball, crawdad fishin in the canal, Estes model rockets, you could ride ur spider bike anywhere and not worry bout some nutbag attacking/stealing/killing u....
the 60's were great for me, my little bro & sisters
Scarey, you just described my childhood (born in 1960, and NOT responsible for the liberal trash you see today :D )
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I don't think that most people understand what a new high in human misery crank production and control, massage parlors and topless "clubs" were. They/we could not have operated in the 50's and we paved the way for the total inhumanity of todays brutal society. The types of crimes we see today were pioneered... no...spawned in the 60's.
In that respect the 60's were bad but.... given the pandoras box of drugs... inevitable. For us bikers the 60's were camoflage. for some of the worst elements of society... the 60's were a good cover. you can't have lawlessness without attracting the lawless. Bad laws make the good ones moot. Trying to enforce laws that had 50's morality in an era of drugs just made the law look irrelevant.
lazs
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Hrmm..the 60's...Drug's..VW Bus..and rock-n-roll...and the F-4 Phantom.
That is all..move along now..
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Originally posted by easymo
One of the most important events in American history occurred in the 60's, and no one noticed. People where so caught up in the war, and which politician got bumped off this month, that it slipped by. Who and what we are was forever changed by having Democrats in the White house, and in congress.
In 1960 90 percent of Americans where of northern European decent. Towards the end of the decade, the Dem's decided that nearly 200 years of American history was all wrong. And, we needed to fill the place up with people from the third world. Since that time, massive numbers of these immigrants have poured into our country. The America I knew as a boy has not existed for years now. Ironically, what much of the world perceives as being America has not existed for years. This change is ongoing and, they say that decades before the end of this century. Americans of northern European decent will be a minority.
I feel safe in saying that this is not what the founding fathers had in mind :)
Whether this change will be for the better remains to be seen. The desire for freedom is strong in all men IMO. This combined with the tools provided for us by the constitution should insure that what is at the heart of this country will survive. Either way, I wont live long enough to find out. Good luck to you young fella's
I’m sure your thoughts echo those of the Native Americans as they watched their pristine country being overrun by hordes of butchering white trash.
Thanks for the morning chuckle.
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I spent much of my early adult life working with and for people who can only be described as "survivors of the 60's".
This was the mid to late 70's of course, and we started an experimental school for the developementally disabled. (No that isn't PC for retarded, it means that something happened to them prior to their 18th b-day. Some were accident victims etc.)
Most of these hippy types were educated and had families. Most still smoked pot, and some did other drugs, but like I said, these were the survivors. They had a handle on things. They had decent family values, nice clean homes etc. What they kept from the 60's was the dream of a caring world. And compared to them I was politically to the right of Ripsnort!
Sure it would probably never exist, but they were intent on maintaining their little corner of the dream. They did a pretty good job of it too.
I and they knew many who were taken by the drugs and who were lost to the 60's. Not all of the hippies were losers though. Some of those people I worked with became politicians, business owners, teachers, artists and museum curators. None of them became wards of the State or welfare recipients, and none of them really ever "sold out".
So I guess liberal values can also lead to a successful life.
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People didn't wake up on January 1, 1960, and decide to invent a new society.
The 60's were "caused" by the 50's. The 50's by the 40's... etc... etc...
My take is that the baby boom of the late 40's and 50's produced a huge and powerful social force that happened to enter adolescence in the 60's, and overwhelmed American society with the energy, idealism, and permissiveness of that age. (That same social force is shaping American society today, but with the growing conservatism of middle age.)
So, it was those sex crazed Ozzies and Harriets of the 50's -- popping out babies with the blessings of the Pope, Billy Graham, and Ike Eisenhower -- that brought us the inevitable excesses of the 60's.
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Well Geez Popeye, shouldn't we just go back to when the first ape began walking upright if we're going to lay blame on someone else? "Its not my fault" "I'm a victim" Where I have I heard these before? OHHHH< the Democratic party!
Start taking alittle personal responsibility for the mess we're in now please. thank you.
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You're all hippies :D
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Originally posted by Wilbus
You're all hippies :D
Speak for yourself! Now get out of my fishing hole! :D
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Okay Rip, I admit it.... I'm responsible for the mess the world is in today.
Well, everything but Disco.
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LOL yer both cracking me up.
it's so funny also to see all of these commercials on tv where the woman is doing the laundry, taking care of the kids, cooking the meals.
As if men don't do any of these things.
I hate to break this to you but sometimes the man takes care of the kids while the woman goes out and works..and you know what?..this is happening now that women have the rights of men.
Sometimes marriage is a partnership where both individuals build their life together..other than the parasite relationship that is so often shown on tv.
women's rights = bad?
If you want to , you can still go out of country and buy someone who you can own as a personal slave to do your bidding. It's called Iraq, Saudi etc etc..
Take a moment to think about being born as someone's property or being sold like an animal (it maybe like trying to imagine the size of space for you) then get back to me about how bad women's rights are.
Originally posted by miko2d
capt. apathy: ...womens rights taken too far- they seem to get all the rights and privleges of men without the reponsability and accountability, they get the best of both worlds
Not really. Those that try to "get the best of both worlds" are failing miserably for defying the nature. You can't be a career woman and a good mom at the same time. So they are stressed out, miserable, unhappy losers.
miko
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Originally posted by popeye
Okay Rip, I admit it.... I'm responsible for the mess the world is in today.
Well, everything but Disco.
Ohhh, that hurt, that hurt....I'll get you Popeye! :)