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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: corey on October 22, 2002, 07:51:03 PM
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would it be cool if we had the B-36 PEACEMAKER
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There would be no peace in the MA if we did have them.
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whooooo hoooo bring it on ... il love to fly bombers ....... or the advanced b17 that never was produced ...with 30 .50cals was made to escort other bombers but ended up to slow when the bombers droped the bombs (it didnt carry bombs)
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Yea lets add a b36,
That way I can have a basis to ask for the A-10. :D
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Call me ignorant but wasn't the B-36 a cold war bomber hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mm?
Yes I thought so.
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Ok, then how about the B-29? :D
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cobra ur thinking about the YB-40 and yah it only had like 20 .50's and a ton more ammo accually they were used alot over the war........not in bombing missions but used as stragglers to attracked captured p-38's and P-51's and P-47's and shoot em down i got three of 4 stories in one of my books about it..........
captured american planes would fly beside forts for a while then attack them when most unsespected........ so thats when a YB-40 was sent out to look like a straggler.......and would shoot down captured planes :D got to love a 17 accually shooting down 38's 51's and 47's and a couple spits..........:D :D :D no reason y it shouldn't be implimented into AH all it was was a exteramly modified B-17F.......accually the YB-40 is the reason y the chin turrent was added to the nexct version of the for the B-17G which is what we have.........
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nod, this is a BBS, not a chat room.
Punctuation and spelling count. You can't expect someone to bother reading your post if it takes extra effort, much less take it seriously.
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hmmmmmmmm.............sorry but u dyslexic dysgraphic (misslabled ocd) add and have motor problems along with goin blind......nooooooo don't think u do.........accually i'm d* shure of it just read it and make as much sense out of it as u can
for laymen B17+extra .50's + ammo = YB-40
YB-40 = shooting down P-38's P-47's P-51's flown by Nazi's and a couple of spits that were captured and flown to be used against USAF bombers got it? good..... if ur a english teacher i say piss off and if ur not then its non of ur buissness how i type
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It personaly realy ticks me off. They wern't all Nazis. I think they were German the whole time. Nazism and Facism are just political offiliations. Would you call my grandfather a Nazi just because he was in the Luftwaffe? Fighting for his country not for Hitler. Shooting down brits bombing his home of Berlin. Him and his 110. alone in the sky. He had to kill 7 men. It was ether a lanc or a halifax but he hated himself for doing that till he died in 96.
Grandpa.
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why not wait for a B-29 1st...B-36 development started in WWII, but it wasn't an operational plane 'til '46 or '47 - plus it would outrun anything except the 262...B-45 (22000 lbs of bombs, 570 MPH) development started in WWII too...
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If the USA had been losing the war, B-36 would have seen plenty of action like all of the German late war wonders. :)
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i wonder if there was an intercontinental escort fighter in the works too
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That wasn't the original idea for the YB-40.
Originally they were looking for some kind of high powered defense for B-17 raids into Germany. It was thought that if they took a B-17F, add a bunch of guns to it and use it as a flying flak tower they might be able to get more punch against enemy fighters.
It really didn't work though. The YB40's would fly with the B-17s into the target just fine but when they turned for home the B-17s would be lighter, and therefore faster than the YB 40's. Either the B-17 formations would have to slow down to allow the YB 40's to keep up or the heavily armed YB's would be left behind. Although they were flying porcupines they were still vulnerable and were shot down if left alone.
I don't think they really advanced beyond 1944, where they really weren't needed anyway. The arrival of long distance fighter escort pretty much negated their need.
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yah i know that was there original purpose..........but in 44 and 45 they were sent out to take care of USAF and RAF planes that had been captured and were being used to shoot down strageling bombers that thought they were goin to get escort back home..........there were about 20-30 missions that a couple YB-40's would be called on specifically................. ... and sorry about that imnonate u caught me in the worst possible mood last night............what topped it off was a cheating host..."eyeless" to be exact.......i got 5 kills in a 109e-4 then i shot some far away 7.9mm's just to get his attenchion and then the guy turned on KS then he got on my tail turned KS off and tried to kill me, so i did a quick loop with some barrel rolls at the top to throw him off as he tried to come up to me. as he stalled i came back around on him and finished him off.........right after i got the kill message for him i said "serves u right for doin KS like that" then i get host connection lost he just booted me...........:mad:
but its always fun to shoot down spit 14's in a 109e-4 expecially when there cheating:D
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thats what i am saying yes it was a failure as bomber escort i know that i have established that three times..........i know this already........and there were 20 - 30 cases where they would send out the B-40 to go after captured planes and it worked well........the luft boys did fly captured american planes..........what they would do it sit outside the formation and radio ahead the forts group alt, position, heading, number, etc. and many times when a few staglers were left the captured plane would come in and straff the injured plane......this is not usually seen alot in books / documentation of fortresses flights because it was hard to tell what type of plane the fortress was being attacked by........u got to remeber they did have plane type icons or range icons the only plane that that was always reconized was the P-38 because of it defenate silouet........and yes B-40's were used on missions more than the test ones to see if they were effective as escorts..............B-40's would spot the captured plane and act like there hurt drift off beside the captured fighter then blast away then it would lose alt like it was hurt and return to base.......these B-40's were never really noticed because in formation they look like just another B-17G.....
also one of the four captured B-17's would fly in formation with b-17's and they would get close to planes in formation and blast away at them durring boming run so that flak/fighters/watching lead bomber would have the other planes in formation distracted.......the captured b-17's mainly flew missions to drop information/supplies to spies in europe.....
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KG200 flew allied planes regularly,and other exotic LW planes.
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Originally posted by Glasses
KG200 flew allied plane regularly,and other exotic LW planes.
When I was in the KG200 there was a story about a captured B24 trying to saddle up with a returning formation posted on the squad BBS. They also had quite a few pictures of captured planes that KG200 repainted and used for missions, mostly on the eastern front if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the link and post it.
OK, this isn't what I was looking for, but it does have some of the pictures that were on the squad bbs. This a link to a thread on another bbs, just scroll down for the different pictures.click (http://pub73.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm60.showMessage?topicID=15.topic)
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well we are starting to agree Oediius but still i have heard of them coming in to straffe usually only one pass just to keep there idenity kept secret(mainly when escorts became suspicious of other fighters or bombers that would hang back) and yes there was 1 case that i know of i'm thinkin its late 44 that a enemy B-17 came after a USAF.......(accually it formed up beside it) and opeaned fire taking the b-17 out i'm thinking the USAF name was busting betty but the name could be wrong..........but i am glad we are agreeing..........and one of the captured 17's was shot down buy a b-40 it turned off one of its eng's acting like it was hurt then drifted backward to the 17 following the USAF squad and opened fire on it destroying it mercousously
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B-36 was introduced in 1948 i believe only 3 years remover from WWII, its not totally obsurd to add it to AH
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Originally posted by plumbob
B-36 was introduced in 1948 i believe only 3 years remover from WWII, its not totally obsurd to add it to AH [/QUOTO]
Of course it is, this is a WWII sim, HTC isn't going to model post-WWII planes to put in it, then it would be a 'WWII and after' sim.
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YB-40s (either 16 or 20) flew w/ 92nd Bomb Group between May 29 '43 & July 28 '43.
One was lost on June 22.
YB-40 never was an offical combat A/C and none were manufactured - they were all converted B-17s. It would be a nice plane to have in AH if you could fly mixed formations, but w/ < 20 made it's probably low on the HTC's list, if its there@all
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/yb-40.jpg)
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/yb-40draw.jpg)
there was also one B-24 converted to an XB-41 w/ similar armament to YB-40 & same intended purpose
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/bombers/xb41-1.jpg)
this site
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b17_12.html
has most of the details on the YB-40
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B29 would be nice, but even with an atom bomb I doubt I could hit anything with it! ;)
(http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/Convair.jpg)
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w/ the B-29 or B-32 you'd have 30 x 2000lbs (or some other combo adding up to ~ 10 tons) bombs from a 3 plane formation i'm sure you could do a hell of a good job pounding the $h|+ out of just about any ground target
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how about the B24 liberator, it's as good as the B17 but not as well known
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the one drawback about adding any of the previously-mentioned planes is darned few folks fly level bombers, either due to how hard it is to hit stuff...or the ever-increasing liklihood of gettin ur group kilt otw to target...1 ton of eggs or 10 tons of eggs, if ya cant get em on the target...rather moot point
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i think the w/ the high speed ( > 350 MPH top speed) and heavy defensive armament the B-29 would be quite tough to catch and knock down - giant target for flak though...
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This is all well and good but ya gota ask yourself, why do we realy nead another US bomber, espichaly one that would soak up build time like the B 29, the B 24 is realy not neaded since we have the B 17. Russia and Italy have no leval bombers, and Germany has no heavy, how about HTC spend their bomber build time thier for now, and perhaps later we can do another US bomber.
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If you get the B-36 I want the SA-2 GUIDELINE SAM. :D
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Well, acctually the germans had an AA missile that was almost workable when the war ended. It was wire guided though i believe, so the pilot would still have to "fly" it into the enemy plane.
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Why add more american (or even any allied) bombers when there's serious holes in AH's axis bomber selection?
There's only 2 axis multi engine bombers, isn't there?
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I agree with Atm, there are to few german bomber! bring the Heinkel H111 to Ah
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I'm working on it...(unofficially...). Here's where I'm at with it, with still a lot to do:
(http://www.az.com/~wm/36d.jpg)
Update 12/13/02: added recessed wheelwells for all gear, added all gear parts; rolling wheels; steerable nosegear: working "snap-action" bomb bays with Mk17 and Mk6 bombs inside; retraction sequence for landing gear perfected; virtual cockpit in progress; flight model better, and still being tweaked. All that and still much to do.
-AlgyFT
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whgates, your 3rd picture (3rd of your picture) is a B-24, did they brizzeld em with guns to?
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looks like it - i see double turrets on top - that certainly was the point of the program anyway - but it went further w/ the B-17/B-40 i think...
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i read somthing it says that the B-36 bombed germony as the US nuked japan.:confused: :confused:
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Unlikely Corey - Germany had surrendered long before either of the A-bombs were dropped.
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hey biggles is that real i meen can you fly it.:confused:
if it is can you email it to me (i want to fly it):p :p :p
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Originally posted by Lazerus
Originally posted by plumbob
B-36 was introduced in 1948 i believe only 3 years remover from WWII, its not totally obsurd to add it to AH [/QUOTO]
Of course it is, this is a WWII sim, HTC isn't going to model post-WWII planes to put in it, then it would be a 'WWII and after' sim. [/B]
no its not, the US kept them ready in case the war started up again.:p :p :p
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HERE is a B36--1st delivered in '46...built till '54...never used in combat..could carry 86 THOUSAND pounds (drool) of ordnance--obviously..they never altered them to carry non-nukes..else they might have been put to use in korea
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another view
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what was the improvement by placing the engines backwards?
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Did they used it for any bomb run ??
Or was it just a hanger Quen ?
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Originally posted by Viper17
It personaly realy ticks me off. They wern't all Nazis. I think they were German the whole time. Nazism and Facism are just political offiliations. Would you call my grandfather a Nazi just because he was in the Luftwaffe? Fighting for his country not for Hitler. Shooting down brits bombing his home of Berlin. Him and his 110. alone in the sky. He had to kill 7 men. It was ether a lanc or a halifax but he hated himself for doing that till he died in 96. Grandpa.
This attitude deserves positive highlighting.
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Originally posted by Viper17
It personaly realy ticks me off. They wern't all Nazis. I think they were German the whole time. Nazism and Facism are just political offiliations. Would you call my grandfather a Nazi just because he was in the Luftwaffe? Fighting for his country not for Hitler. Shooting down brits bombing his home of Berlin. Him and his 110. alone in the sky. He had to kill 7 men. It was ether a lanc or a halifax but he hated himself for doing that till he died in 96. Grandpa.
And, at least according to a conversation I had several years ago with Gunther Rall, Luftwaffe officers were required to resign membership in any political party, including the NSDAP. A military regulation that was intended to eliminate political affiliation as an issue for leadership and promotion, as I recall.
I doubt that I would be able to say the same to many veterans of SS units, but I told Gunther Rall, Walter Schuck, and the other German aces and veterans who attended the 'Gathering of Eagles' event that I attended that, while I couldn't respect the regime that sent them to war, they fought for their country and did their duty to the best of their ability, and I respected them for their skill and dedication, particularly considering the odds that they had to face as the war continued.
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Here is a question for you. If you saw a YB-40 would you even attempt to go after it? And would it be set up as a bomber, fighter, or attack? If bomber, then formation? Perked at how much?
I dont know, but I personaly dont have a death with if I was even within 6.0 out I would steer clear.
B-29 would be a nice touch though :D
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Originally posted by Jagv81st
...if I was even within 6.0 out I would steer clear....
then it would be doing it's job it was built for (bomber escort) quite well
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My point exactly :D Get 2 or 3 of those together with enough fuel for a 3 hr tour of the map :eek: :D
Talk about your vulching machine though!!!
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New screenshots (http://host31.ipowerweb.com/~problemc/b36.htm) from FS2002, showing progress on landing gear.
AlgyFT