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Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: Bodhi on October 25, 2002, 12:03:29 AM: Just thought ya'll might enjoy this Corsair Photo of a -1 in 1944... I would love to be able to read his mind!
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: fffreeze220 on October 25, 2002, 02:06:34 AM: He is thinking......

1. diddlying n1k dweeb
2. damn UFO
3. learn to fly u n00b
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: Xjazz on October 25, 2002, 02:27:40 AM: I dont know about enjoyment but...

He looks like gona brust tears and toejam to his pants any moment... Poor guy

He maybe still have a change see his parents, girlfriend or wife & child...

War IS hell
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: Xjazz on October 25, 2002, 02:31:10 AM: I dont know about enjoyment but...

He looks like gona brust tears any moment... Poor guy

"I maybe still have a change to see my parents / girlfriend / wife & child..."

War IS hell
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: jbroey3 on October 25, 2002, 03:09:17 AM: Hes really thinking.... wow thank god that the damage model allows for individual component failure.

If it were aces, well.. his entire tail would have been lopped off.

:rolleyes:
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Post by: Maniac on October 25, 2002, 03:23:16 AM: Nah, the photographer djust cracked an joke, hes laughing...
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Post by: Voss on October 25, 2002, 04:11:18 AM: Don't think he's real calm. It looks like he had some trouble remaining on his feet. Probably, ack damaged him (note the way the rudder is sprayed with fragmentary damage), he was forced to land at an Aussie field (those ain't Americans behind him), and he had enough control loss to make his landing very interesting. I don't think the tail damage is the sole problem here. The gear has collapsed, and either those guys on the wing have never seen a Corsair, or something in the cockpit has their interest (probably damage). They are probably both thinking "Holy toejam he's lucky to be breathing!"

I bet he's glad to be alive.

It would be interesting to know the details.
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Post by: Hristo on October 25, 2002, 04:33:17 AM: He's probably remembering the days when his Corasir was 300 pounds lighter.
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Post by: Innominate on October 25, 2002, 05:07:51 AM: The guys looking into the cockpit are probably arguing over who's gunna clean the sh*t up.
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Post by: Dawggus on October 25, 2002, 07:28:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Voss
It would be interesting to know the details.

Capt. Donald L. Balch sits beside his Corsair. He served with VMF-221 for the entire war, gaining two victories in the Solomons and another three whilst on the USS Bunker Hill.

"On 6 July 1943 my division was directed from the Russell Islands to New Georgia. There we were jumped my several Zeros which we broke up like a covey of quail, each division going in a different direction. I got into the tail of one Zero and shot him down. Then I started looking for the other members of my division whilst simultaneously patting myself on the back for my splendid marksmanship. All of a sudden, all hell broke loose, with part of my hatch disintegrating along with some of the instruments in front of me. I immeadiately "split S'ed" out to the left and down, pulling out at around 6000 ft, never having seen anything. My wingman joined up with me and, because I couldn't hear anything on my radio, kept pointing at my tail. We then turned home and flew back to our base. I put my gear and flaps down on final, but I lost copmplete control of the aircraft on flare out. I cut the power and slammed into the runway. We found later that my conrols had been badlt shot up, just holding together until the moment I flared out for my landing"

- Balch

Cya Up!
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Post by: Dawggus on October 25, 2002, 07:30:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Voss
It would be interesting to know the details.

Capt. Donald L. Balch sits beside his Corsair. He served with VMF-221 for the entire war, gaining two victories in the Solomons and another three whilst on the USS Bunker Hill.

"On 6 July 1943 my division was directed from the Russell Islands to New Georgia. There we were jumped my several Zeros which we broke up like a covey of quail, each division going in a different direction. I got into the tail of one Zero and shot him down. Then I started looking for the other members of my division whilst simultaneously patting myself on the back for my splendid marksmanship. All of a sudden, all hell broke loose, with part of my hatch disintegrating along with some of the instruments in front of me. I immeadiately "split S'ed" out to the left and down, pulling out at around 6000 ft, never having seen anything. My wingman joined up with me and, because I couldn't hear anything on my radio, kept pointing at my tail. We then turned home and flew back to our base. I put my gear and flaps down on final, but I lost complete control of the aircraft on flare out. I cut the power and slammed into the runway. We found later that my conrols had been badlt shot up, just holding together until the moment I flared out for my landing"

- Balch

Cya Up!
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: Ripsnort on October 25, 2002, 08:06:12 AM: Bah! Tis only a flesh wound!

(http://www.457thbombgroup.org/Accidents/bba091.jpg)
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Post by: fffreeze220 on October 25, 2002, 08:26:21 AM: This plane made it home.

Token from this Page Link (http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm)

ANother interresting story (http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/tail3.htm)
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Post by: ra on October 25, 2002, 08:58:04 AM: It would be interesting to see Jap combat records for that day and see if any Corsairs were claimed as killed, and by whom.

ra
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: Turbot on October 25, 2002, 09:43:19 AM: All the Battle Damaged B17's (http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm) you would care to see with explanations of what happened.

Some more. (http://www.reese-457th.org/PLANES.HTML#Accidents)
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Post by: Ripsnort on October 25, 2002, 09:46:57 AM: Wrong thread :D
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Post by: Pongo on October 25, 2002, 10:17:05 AM: I would have said a zero got him. Look at the little 7.7mm hits.. and then probably one 20mm hit. And AH does have individual damage areas at that level Elevatror damage. If his contol lines are still in place I would think that he would still have about 60% of his elevator authority with that damage...Dont know if AH models that kind of damage where the area is not destroyed. Just degraded..
Title: Imagine the sense of relief of this Corsair Pilot
Post by: ra on October 25, 2002, 11:12:17 AM: AH models the loss of 1 elevator, that does the trick.
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Post by: Bodhi on October 25, 2002, 01:33:58 PM: Corsair has big honkin push / pull tubes for controls, not Cables... A bit safer.....
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Post by: Voss on October 25, 2002, 01:36:57 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dawggus
I immeadiately "split S'ed" out to the left and down, pulling out at around 6000 ft, never having seen anything.

See? In WWII they had the invisible plane bug, too! Historical precedence has been established! :D
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Post by: Karnak on October 25, 2002, 01:52:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by ra
It would be interesting to see Jap combat records for that day and see if any Corsairs were claimed as killed, and by whom.

My guess, based on Japanese kill claims and claiming methods, would be that the Japanese claimed his Corsair as a kill that day. The Japanese pilot may have seen his split S for what it was, been unable to follow due to the A6M2/3's poor diving charactoristics and seen him form up to fly home, thus not claiming the kill. But I doubt it.
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Post by: DmdBT on October 25, 2002, 06:49:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Voss

See? In WWII they had the invisible plane bug, too! Historical precedence has been established! :D

LoL... sending bill for 1 19" monitor coated in Pepsi!

Lonz
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Post by: F4UDOA on October 25, 2002, 10:54:19 PM: In AH a hit from a 20mil into your Corsair causes your tail to fall off, engine to smoke, gas tank to leak and wounds your pilot. And if your really lucky maybe the dweeb with the hispano lazer will crash into your wreckage so you can get the kill.

AH damage model needs a little looking into.
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Post by: Pongo on October 25, 2002, 11:12:48 PM: From the inflicting the 20mm strikes on a corsair side of the coin..it doesnt seem that way bud...
very robust plane that takes some real killing...
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Post by: funkedup on October 25, 2002, 11:27:28 PM: Look at the angle of the two elevators. Looks like he had no control over the left one, it was just flapping in the breeze.
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Post by: SirLoin on October 25, 2002, 11:38:28 PM: Freeze..Didn't that b17 go into a death spiral?...Thought I saw a film of a stab taken out by a high buff's bomb..It then spiraled..Looked just like that pix before death dive.
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Post by: Ouch on October 26, 2002, 12:58:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by F4UDOA
In AH a hit from a 20mil into your Corsair causes your tail to fall off, engine to smoke, gas tank to leak and wounds your pilot. And if your really lucky maybe the dweeb with the hispano lazer will crash into your wreckage so you can get the kill.

PLEASE don't try and compare the rinkydink japanese 20mm to a Hispano 20mm. They are not even CLOSE to the same league.

The hispano shell is longer, has more powerfull explosive in the warhead. Then you look at the propulsive power of the hispano high velocity cannon versus the low velocity 20mm (Ho 90? or something like that) of the Japanese, and you realize it would be better to compare a Hispano 20mm to a Russian 23mm for damage potential.

ouch out

(ps, I have a gif of different WWII ammo, but I can't remember what each exactly is. If I can find the original post that I got it from I'll repost it.)
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Post by: Samm on October 29, 2002, 10:34:05 PM: Beautiful photo bodhi, tells a story, thanks for sharing it with us .
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Post by: Rude on October 30, 2002, 08:17:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jbroey3
Hes really thinking.... wow thank god that the damage model allows for individual component failure.

If it were aces, well.. his entire tail would have been lopped off.

:rolleyes:

Before you make a remark like this, you might ask around or perhaps pay attention....AH does model individual component failure.
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Post by: Creamo on October 30, 2002, 09:52:16 AM: Quote
Originally posted by funkedup
Look at the angle of the two elevators. Looks like he had no control over the left one, it was just flapping in the breeze.

I disagree. I think the left elevator section was frozen by the damage, not 'flopping in the breeze', and the right one gave him control authority through it's ability to move, to return safely.

See I had a Model T Ford once, which relied upon the process of thermosyphoning... (early cars actually worked that way you know) and I know all about these things.

So there.