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Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 26, 2002, 02:53:15 PM
Redwing, Sundog, 10Bear, Nuttz, Jihad, and CMs team

now that we have the opportunity to edit the skins, maybe we could work on the correct skins that go with your terrains? Would it be possible to have your email addresses so I can know what are your past and future projects, what CMs are planing to put in the CT next and I can start putting a list of "what we need".

Maybe some skinners would help make CT/scenarios a more accurate/enjoyable place?

my email is bigradial@hotmail.com.

thoughts, comments, ideas?
Title: Shall we?
Post by: gatso on October 26, 2002, 03:36:50 PM
Wotan mentioned in a previous thread that 10bears greek terrain needs a Greek HurriIIc - If anyone can find any pics of one (I can't so far) and wants to give it a go your more than welcome to the originals of the two Hurris I did as a start point.

I'm currently working on a pair of F4F's. A Martlet Mk1 in white and a MkIII in blue/grey both in British FAA camo.

I'm sure if anyone needs anything specific they'll shout. Winter camo stuff might be a good place to start if your bored tho. I've only seen a La5 in winter camo so far, Kweassa I think did that.

Gatso
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Texman11 on October 26, 2002, 07:49:47 PM
I know the Greek terrain was pulled before I could get it, has
it been put out again?  Or where can I get it as well?

Thanks

Texman
Title: Shall we?
Post by: gatso on October 26, 2002, 08:15:15 PM
Texman, all I know is what has been posted here. Greek terrain is being worked on by 10Bears as far as I am aware. You'd have to email him direct for any specifics.

Gatso
Title: Shall we?
Post by: NUTTZ on October 26, 2002, 10:18:45 PM
Don't Know, I've been "out of the loop" for awhile now.


NUTTZ
Title: Re: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on October 26, 2002, 10:41:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Redwing, Sundog, 10Bear, Nuttz, Jihad, and CMs team

now that we have the opportunity to edit the skins, maybe we could work on the correct skins that go with your terrains? Would it be possible to have your email addresses so I can know what are your past and future projects, what CMs are planing to put in the CT next and I can start putting a list of "what we need".

Maybe some skinners would help make CT/scenarios a more accurate/enjoyable place?

 

im in:)
we need CO who tell us what to do

ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2002, 05:46:12 AM
Gathering infos, I have yet to ear back from Hitech.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Wotan on October 27, 2002, 05:55:05 AM
The best thing to do imho is build your own terrain.

We need a map for the new mission theater. a 512 x 512 map of some of of england western europe that extends east to berlin.

We need this map to have plenty of strat objects. We need it to include road ways and trainstations. It needs clouds.

Its need built up areas that match where the real life cities are.

This would be a squad size project. One guy would get burn out.

The first mission theater will be the 8th airforce. I dunno if ht will include a new terrain with it but I dont see how it could work without one.

I dont see how it could work with out the correct aircraft models either but we will see.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2002, 06:26:08 AM
I don't know squad in map building, and honestly it's not really my thing. In the other hand, in my eyes, it would be great for the comunauty to fly the actual aircrafts.

I wish to gather a group of persons to provide profiles. The way I see it work,

TOD/CT/ Mission Theater builder/organizers let me know what planes they will use. We advertize for profiles on the BBS. We build them and they can be included the terrain. I also wish to store the skins on a web page, so the map makers will have them directly accessible.

What do you think?
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Kweassa on October 27, 2002, 06:55:16 AM
I think that just moves us back to the idea Duedel posted, which didn't get much response then.

 It would be better if we had a skin collections site on the net, where people can submit their skins. Then the managers of the site can organize the skins into categories(like theaters) and provide the needed set to the terrain builders.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2002, 07:17:26 AM
I'm just trying to make it happen by bugging out people with emails and posts :D ... is that bad?
Title: Shall we?
Post by: BenDover on October 27, 2002, 07:40:54 AM
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I think that just moves us back to the idea Duedel posted, which didn't get much response then.

 It would be better if we had a skin collections site on the net, where people can submit their skins. Then the managers of the site can organize the skins into categories(like theaters) and provide the needed set to the terrain builders.



*raises hand*

I have over 120mb of web space at my disposal

see this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66449) FMI
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2002, 08:55:15 AM
I'll keep u in mind benover :)
Title: Shall we?
Post by: NUTTZ on October 27, 2002, 01:26:05 PM
120 MB ain't gonna cut it.

I'm finishing up my server and ran into a minor snafu, once I get over this last hurdle It should have 204 Gig's of storage space.
Just checked I have over 10 gigs of maps/skins already.



NUTTZ

Quote
Originally posted by BenDover



*raises hand*

I have over 120mb of web space at my disposal

see this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66449) FMI
Title: Shall we?
Post by: BenDover on October 27, 2002, 02:43:23 PM
yikes!

but how many are crap though?
Title: Shall we?
Post by: NUTTZ on October 27, 2002, 03:30:28 PM
About 20x 64bits ( default tiles)

LOL  J/k


NUTTZ

Quote
Originally posted by BenDover
yikes!

but how many are crap though?
Title: Re: Shall we?
Post by: Tilt on October 27, 2002, 04:17:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Redwing, Sundog, 10Bear, Nuttz, Jihad, and CMs team


Niemen project is a scenario due for play during the 1st quarter next year.................

Its a baltic states battle zone during July to October 44

LI 2 (lend lease c47)..............done (generic)
Boston lend lease..................done (generic)
B26 lend lease.......................d one (generic guards unit)
La7 ............................. ...........TE std(Orekhovs white 23 was in Latvia in Sept 44)
La5 FN ............................. ......done (Popkovs yellow 1)
Yak 9U........................... .........done (generic 303IAD yak 3 but may upgrade to Normandie Niemen  White 6 if I can sort the tri-coleur on the spinner)
Yak 9T........................... ..........done (generic 303IAD "white 3" yak 9)
IL2 m3........................... .........outstanding (TE std is quite good )
Hurricane IIc(lend lease).........outstanding ( generic CO  hack)


Fw190A5...................... ...........done ( IJG.54 grunhrez)
Fw190 A8........................... .....in progress (II JG 54 grunherz)
Fw 190 F8........................... ....in progress (generic  Baltic front SG)

Bf109 G6........................... ......outstanding. (TE std is quite good but a IJG.51 or IIIJG.52 would be nice)
Bf109G10..................... ...........outstanding (prefer a IVJG.51 but a IIIJG.77 will do)

Ju87................. (i wish?).........outstanding (I have no idea if we[ever] get this plane in time for this project........... we/I may consider any well skinned VAL in appropriate SG colours)

Me 110 D............................ ....outstanding ( generic CO  hack)

ju88......................... ...............outstanding ( II & III KG 4 would be nice)

Tank......................... ..............outstanding (mudy dirty tank (mkIV)of non specific none country colours)
Tiger (when/if we get it)........outstanding (6th panzer army 44)
M3........................... ...............outstanding (see tank)
M6........................... ...............outstanding (see tank)
M8........................... ...............outstanding (see tank)

LVT's.......................................outstanding (if any one can find the markings used by the Red army amphibious unit 1 & 2 RB then great...........else just removing US inignia  and adding some muck and mud will be sufficient)

PT boat......................... .........outstanding (low priority)
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 27, 2002, 09:39:04 PM
Tilt, there is a Niemen yak9U in the screenshot section, saw it? Maybe u don't like it.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: 10Bears on October 27, 2002, 10:03:47 PM
Hey howdy all

Hey there Frenchy :)

Sorry been working lately and haven't been reading the boards.

I added Wotan's, and Samms skins to Greece

Came up on a problem with checking with task groups... program CTD.. thought it was only happening to me but Sundog said he was getting it too with Midway.  So I been waiting for that to be sorted out. I took out the task groups but plan to add 3 back.  We haven't heard back from HTC.

Anyway here's greece  (http://www.ilhawaii.net/~bear1/zips/greece.res) on my server. Here's the skins Wotan and Samm gave me.
109E
109F
110C4
Boston
C47
Hurri1
Hurri2- (Samms winter scheme)

So I need spits ... some 205s.. Wotan said he could send some of those..

So this will be rebuilt before sending it up to Texas.. after what to do about the fleet deal... (battle of Greece they didn't really use many carriers.. if any) send me any skins that might look good in Greece

Some fancy stuff if you have em' :)
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Kweassa on October 28, 2002, 01:41:54 AM
Is that a Hellenic Airforce Hurricane you need, or merely RAF Hurricanes stationed in Greece?? :o
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Tilt on October 28, 2002, 03:58:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Tilt, there is a Niemen yak9U in the screenshot section, saw it? Maybe u don't like it.


Its very nice Frenchy.......(Shane posted it to Bigweek)...........

I'd love it if............

1) Change the green tinted camo to the original TE dark tone grey. (this can also be usd to hide the black rectangle behind the cockpit)

2) Delete tricoluer from rudder.........(post war French marking) (spinner is nicely done)

Re the Cross of Lorraine...........

The cross was added to the unit standard in December 44 after de Gaulle presented them each with the Free French medal........

I am not even sure if every unit of the Normandie Niemen (Cain, C'bourg, L'havre, Rouen) used it during the time with the VVS.

Osprey publish a picture reputed to be taken in July 44 which shows a line up of Yak 3's with the Cross...........but this is contradicted in almost every other photo/print I have seen.

Even so with all 4 groups of the Normandie Niemen honoured in the Niemen scenario project( July to October/November 44) it would be nice to feature the cross on the  skin.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 28, 2002, 08:59:44 AM
What the heck is BW?

Email me a picture Tilt of an original skin the way u want it, I'll do that for you (too bad, I liked the colors of this one:D ) changed from the usuall dark camo stuff.

some profiles there already Tilt :

http://hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67540
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Tilt on October 28, 2002, 02:00:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy

Email me a picture Tilt of an original skin the way u want it, I'll do that for you (too bad, I liked the colors of this one:D ) changed from the usuall dark camo stuff.


Thx for the link

This one is most appropriate for the Niemen project...

(http://www.tilt.clara.net/pics/white6.jpg)

The white arrow denotes the units attachment to 303IAD on the baltic front during the later part of 44 and 45.

Its a yak 3 (which the Normandie Niemen flew from  July 44 onwards). Hence if you want the 303IAD arrow you get a yak 3.

for a picture porported to be taken during 44 look at this back ground screen

(http://www.tilt.clara.net/pics/nn3s.jpg)

Sorry the back ground is slow to load

You should note the Cross off Lorraine on the tails.............it not a winter scene and so is ether the summer of 44 or 45 ...hence ..to honour the Normandie Niemen I would be happy to allow the cross on the project if placed on white 6 as shown in the back ground screen.

Actually I believe this was taken in France in late 45 and the yak3 in the fore ground is that of Rene Challe (until 17th Jan 45) and latterly Leon Ougloff
Title: Shall we?
Post by: gatso on October 28, 2002, 02:42:19 PM
Wotan, your Martlets are almost done...

Pics in this thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68300)

Standard FAA mid-late war camo is impossible because the skin only has a single wing mirrored.  A MkIII (the order on the way to Greece before it fell) and a MkI.

I have to say the MkIII is a 'best guess'. The aircraft on the way to the greek AF were painted Blue/Grey, they'd only reached Gibralter when Greece fell so the FAA had them instead. They were gradually painted in standard camo, so this one is 'supposedly' and an aircraft just off the boat with FAA Roundels applied over the greek ones.  Not great but the latest semi-realistic markings I can do for the FAA I'm afraid.

Gatso
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Wotan on October 28, 2002, 04:35:44 PM
outstanding :)

10bears will love you :)
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on October 28, 2002, 05:55:37 PM
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Bf109 G6........................... ......outstanding.
Hurricane IIc(lend lease).........outstanding ( generic CO hack)
Ju87................. (i wish?).........outstanding (I have no idea if we[ever] get this plane in time for this project........... we/I may consider any well skinned VAL in appropriate SG colours)


i  can do that next week
109's should have hartman paintings?/its same unit?/
ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on October 30, 2002, 07:01:13 AM
Working on White 6 Tilt, the best of my free time. I may be done in a couple of days.
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on October 30, 2002, 11:07:14 AM
Tilt,

about hurricane. As my russian fried say

 "ramzey AFAIK all Hurr's in 1944 was in air defence of big cityes in Russia, and no hurricane were at central europe theatre"

Can we use 1942-43 paint scheme?

like here

(http://www.il2center.com/Reference/Bulk/VVS%20Hurricane%20Fighter/soviet-hurricane-profile-1.jpg)
(http://www.il2center.com/Reference/Bulk/VVS%20Hurricane%20Fighter/soviet-hurricane-profile-6.jpg)

ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Tilt on November 01, 2002, 05:21:57 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ramzey
Tilt,

about hurricane. As my russian fried say

 "ramzey AFAIK all Hurr's in 1944 was in air defence of big cityes in Russia, and no hurricane were at central europe theatre"

Can we use 1942-43 paint scheme?
 


Your freind is quite correct..............thats why it is a CO hack........

Regiment leaders or VVS party commisars were given older semi or no combat planes (often U2's) to move from field to field.........

Similarly the LW would often fly BF 108's .........in this case they have 110's .............


The white bordered star is more appropriate for 44 so the later on a Hurris IIc will be great.

re Hartman...........his skin would be nice  but not the famed winter white ...........

actually 1/JG 51 is more appropriate as other gruppen were moved back and forth to assist them during this period..................in fact JG54 and 1/JG51 were the only permanent LW  JG in the area for this period.


Thx  Ramzey and Frenchy for the responces
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on November 01, 2002, 08:05:19 PM
ok, symilar skins for hurri 2, and 4 based on secound picture:)

Im start looking now for colour profile of jg51 and 54. So far have couple only 109g10 but from 1945
ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on November 04, 2002, 10:46:32 PM
here is  first previev of russian beauty.
I need to add couple paintings on tail and fix som painting bugs
Its version repainted from land-lease airplane;)
I hate remove oryginal markings made by HTC;) hard work

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/hurri_VVS/hurri1.jpg)

(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/hurri_VVS/hurri2.jpg)


(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/hurri_VVS/hurri3.jpg)


(http://www.raf303.org/ramzey/skins/hurri_VVS/hurri4.jpg)
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on November 05, 2002, 11:03:34 AM
Tilt chk here , hurri is done <--- (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=646814#post646814)

ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: ramzey on November 07, 2002, 07:13:42 PM
Tilt chk this <---- (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69257)

any comment suggestion?


ramzey
Title: Shall we?
Post by: Sky Viper on November 08, 2002, 02:06:03 PM
Quote
Originally posted by NUTTZ
120 MB ain't gonna cut it.
...
Just checked I have over 10 gigs of maps/skins already.


NUTTZ


Uh, Dave...get a broom! ;)

10 Gigs?  seriously? GET A BROOM!

I only have a 10 Gig Hdd.
I've build 2 full terrains now and have several "experiment" folders and terrains.  My whole TE folder (including all subfolders) is less than 100 M.