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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ike2k2 on October 28, 2002, 08:51:31 PM
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I use a graphics card that is built in my motherboard. Before i put a 128 ram upgrade in my pc i have a 64 megs ram with 16mb vram. When i put a 128 ram in my pc, my memory is now totaled to 192 megs ram and i also noticed my video ram increased to 32 megs vram.
After i put a memory upgrade to my pc, why am i not getting good frame rates when i put the game at 1024 by 768 pixels at 16 bit color?
( my video card is intel 82810 graphics controller. )
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The problem is literally, your video "card". Onboard video is just not up to the task. Memory upgrades alone are not going to give you the frame rate increase you seem to be looking for. You need a separate, more powerful video card. Recommend any of the GeForce 3 and higher models, or the new Radeon card (9700 Pro).
What speed CPU do you have? That will also affect your frame rates (especially in Ace High). I wouldn't recommend anyhting less than a 1GHZ processor.
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cpu power really doesnt mean toejam in AH I run it fine on a p3 600 mhz, i have a gf3ti200 and never drop below 60 fps. The problem with you video that you have that Intel crap is that is integrated, and more than likely shares memory. Meaning that it doesnt have its own onboard memory, and must use your system memory. Any g-force card or for that matter pretty much any graphics card will have its own memory.
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so would gforce3 or 4 work on a celeron 700mhz 192mb ram?
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Originally posted by ike2k2
so would gforce3 or 4 work on a celeron 700mhz 192mb ram?
It would as long as you have a free AGP slot to put it in.
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but i only have PCI, would t work but and perform better at AH?
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No such thing as a PCI version of a gforce2 or 3 or 4 that I know of. Dumb your motherboard, get a new one. Hell for that matter buy a new xp1600+ processor for $52 and a new mobo for $54
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Geforce 4 MX PCI is the most powerful card you can get. It will boost your fps a great deal (just avoid the 420 version.)
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should i rather get ATI radeon 7500 64 mb ddr for PCI because i found it faster than g3 and g4
to compare it, go to this website
http://www.bestbuy.com/compare.asp?tp=R&m=488&cat=521&scat=522&b=0&2=11176475&12=11183718&16=11180023&18=11101115&txtCount=22&x=49&y=5
copy/paste that and see it
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IMHO those radeon 7500 cards are crap. go for the PNY gf4mx, unless you want video out , which is pointless unless you are wanting to plug your computer into your tv(crappy resolution on TV, unless you have a HiDef one).
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but here are specs of radeon 7500 pci vs pny geforce mx420 (specs are in bestbuy.com)
radeon 7500:
Video Memory
64MB
Interface Slot Type
PCI
Type of Processor
RADEON 7500
Number of Processors
1
Clock Speed of Video Memory
400MHz
Maximum 2D Resolution (at 32-bit)
2048 x 1536
Maximum 3D Resolution (at 32-bit)
2048 x 1536
Megapixels/Megatexels
1.74 gigatexels/sec.
Number of Polygons per Second
45 million
Supports MPEG-1, 2
Yes
DVD Decoding
Yes
TV-Out
Yes
Stereo Sound
No
Tuning Capabilities
NA
S-Video Output
Yes
Video Format
MPEG-2, DVD
Integrated Web Publishing
No
Video Compression
NA
Software Included
Driver disk
System Requirements
Intel® Pentium® II/I...
System Requirements
ME or XP; PCI slot; CD-ROM dri...
Warranty Term — Parts
3 years limited
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pny geforce mx420:
Video Memory
64MB
Interface Slot Type
PCI
Type of Processor
nVidia GeForce4 MX
Number of Processors
1
Clock Speed of Video Memory
350MHz
Maximum 2D Resolution (at 32-bit)
1920 x 1200
Maximum 3D Resolution (at 32-bit)
1920 x 1200
Megapixels/Megatexels
125 megapixels
Number of Polygons per Second
16.7 million
Supports MPEG-1, 2
Yes
DVD Decoding
No
TV-Out
Yes
Stereo Sound
No
Tuning Capabilities
NA
S-Video Output
No
Video Format
NA
Integrated Web Publishing
No
Video Compression
NA
Software Included
Installation software
System Requirements
PC with Intel® Pentium...
Warranty Term — Parts
Lifetime
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price comparison (at bestbuy.com)
ati radeon 7500= $79.99
pny geforce mx420= $89.99
it seems to me that radeon is good enough for me
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You really should think about replacing your mobo and cpu with vid-card; if you buy PCI vid-card you can't use it in your next system (well you can but it's already slow).
There are pretty cheap cpu/mobo combos for sale, check them out and send a letter to Santa.
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i have a small case (or tower) and it only can put 3 pci's, where can i buy a mobo that has 2 pci's and a agp?
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Beg to differ pfunk, but CPU power does matter in AH. It's not as important as the overall video card itself, but it does make a difference.
Not to get into a pissing match, but frankly I have a hard time believing your frame rates never go below 60 with your setup.
It might not go below 60 when flying around, but I'm willing to bet in furballs and other high-traffic areas it's definitely below 60.
Of course, you also did not specify the resolution, color bits or anti-aliasing settings you use either.
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Ike2, in addition to a new mobo, CPU and vid card, get a new case with it. Decent cases can be had relatively inexpensively ($45 for a decent mid sized tower with 300W power supply).
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Whatever you do, do NOT buy the MX420 - its a piece of crap.
If you _have_ to get MX get the MX460. If you dont HAVE to get an MX get a real card like r9700.
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Sounds like you have one of those mini-ATX type cases that was pushed really hard by HP and e-Machines brand a couple of years ago.
You might have a problem with the overall size of a video card going into one of those PCI slots but you never know till you buy it. If you are only looking for a "band-aid" to help you get by for a while then just buy the PCI video card. However if you are wanting to get something with a little more spring in its step then get a new case, mobo, CPU and AGP video card. Make sure you keep reading up and decide for yourself which card you want based on how much you can afford.
As a general rule of thumb I don't upgrade my entire system every year. I upgrade pieces over a two year period. My next system upgrade will be a CPU/RAM/MOBO but that will not happen till at least next spring/summer. By then the 2.5GHz+ CPU's will be cheaper and will give me a huge jump over my 1.4GHz T-Bird.
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little comp place here has a special
all no name but decent quality
case ( black plastic )
350w no name ps
256 pc 133
1.4 duron =heat sink
cdrom
floppy
mother board ( msi i think) on board vid and sound but has agp
$199.00 all you need is a hard drive and vid card sell your old one for 200 bucks and your in like flinn.
this is from a walk in shop
also has cool 80 gig 8mb buffer 7200 rpm drives like 120 bucks
you can get a radeon 8500 for 86 bucks on pricwatch and your framrates will be in another realm. and yea cpu does make a big difference . when i went from a celleron 366 oc'ed to 550 to a a p3 one gig the difference was huge and from 1 gig p3 to athalon 1500+ difference was noticable. this is with the same radeon ddr vivo card ( first ddr radeon) everything seemed more exact and detailed like the game was using the extra power from the cpu to make more exact positioning and more fill detail. i might be wrong but thos were my impressions. (noticed no difference from xp 1500 to xp 1900 like it was maxed )
look around near you for deals nothing like hind sight after a upgrade to ruin your day.