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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wanker on February 18, 2001, 06:35:00 PM
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Last night I was looking for something completely different to try out, and so I flew a 190A5 for the night. Man, after all my sorties in Spit 9's, La-5's and C.205's, the 190A5 seemed like a bird on steroids to me. The thing rolls like a maniac, and basically seemed to fly like it were on rails.
I never did fly it when it first came out, but I've noticed that there are hardly any people flying it now.
Maybe it's all relative to where you been, but I can't believe more people don't fly this thing.
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Some do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I still prefer my old A8 tho, the only reason being that I KNOW that I cannot turn in it, inthe A5, I'll be tempted, and usualy end up ded ...
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MASS/SAW
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[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 02-18-2001).]
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Its the general feeling at the first. It is a very very agile plane and with great hispeed handling.
But after 4/5 days you get tired of seeing that almost everyone that you outfly ends running home like a screaming little girl. That is the only thing I dont like in A5, its sssssloooooooow on the deck
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I still fly the A5 occasionally, which explains why I suck in it now, to be good in FW ya gotta fly em predominately, or your skills soon erode. The bright side is that after a few missions in a FW, everything else feels like a ZEKE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The ASSASSINS have been using the A8 in JABOs to close and take fields, it truly shines in this, and we are advidly looking forward to the F8.
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[This message has been edited by milnko (edited 02-18-2001).]
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I am liking that ride more and more . reaper more or less made me fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
On a side note to Saintaw , sorry guy . I really felt bad after shooting you down in a Nik (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) , been along time since I flew one and now I know why again . No reward even if you get the other pilot . Man that thing is wrong IMO , don't hardly black out plus never stalled it once either ( I was yanking it pretty damned hard too ) . Had a HogC pilot try to rope me , well u know that end story too .
Just to let Mass ( Saintaw ) know I won't be flying it again , plus as soon as I seen who it way I said on RW . Aw toejam , this sucks .
Sincerely , spro
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I achieved a very good kill ratio when I flew it for some time. Just do the old B&Z and when you see someone with higher alt and they have their eye on you, just dive and run. Keep 5k under you and they will never catch you.
fscott
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Aw Airspro, no probs @ all man, I got used to getting shot by now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And to be completely honnest with you, I would fly that green kite if I knew how to get kills in it... but it seems it does not like me, so...
<S!> Spro, we will surely meet again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I really like the a5, but after you burn up your drop tank you're practically bingo, thats my main problem with it . It seems to me that even the 109 has more range .
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I fly it as well, but I don't fly it the cowardly way that most fly B&Z'ers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
The 190A8 I fly with caution, the A5 aggressively.
banana, my experience has been somewhat opposite to you; LA-5 and Spits seem like steroid birds to me compared to the A5, so I suspect it depends on what you're used to. Also, low speed handling in both 190's leave something to be desired, making it not as good as say the Spit 9 for those "point and click" kills where you just point the nose at your enemy when he climbs and wait for him to come around.
It's a good plane. But, as Zigrat showed me the other day, so is the P-38. Yes, the P-38. Just fly it right, and Zig knows how to do that.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"All your base/are belong to us"
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Keep up the momentum!
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Ugh.. I've never really flown A5 much
After all my hours and sorties in A8... more familiar with it.
Though, I don't see whats the problem with killing A-5..
It flies easy and rolls fast, but thats about it
I would still prefer Spit 9 over A-5 if I should be racking up kills.
Though, I've never got too good in La-5, most problem is with gunnery.. can't hit anything with it (those views sucked.. I haven't tried it with newer cockpit)
C.205 would be better defensive fighter than 190A5, but I would still prefer 190A5 for attacking
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I forgot to mention.... A8 has 30mm ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Need I say more ?
Saw
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The FW's are great aircraft...I have enjoyed many hours flying them in that other sim, and had great success.
I fly only the Pony here in AH, but must admit, I would fare much better in a FW than the Pony...higher K/D and K/S.
The roll rate, speed and guns of the FW make it most formidable.
I look forward to the Dora's introduction into the MA...to kill it with a pony will prove challenging...in addition, I won't have to listen to the LW boy's complaints of runstang this and runstang that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ltr
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Fishu, I fly the La5 fairly regularily and I find that, yes, it is difficult to hit anything with those Shivaks, but the plane itself is a wonder. The view over the nose sucks, but if you slide your view back you gain a better vantage over the nose. Just have to get in close. VERY close. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Servo
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Ice, not sure you can make such a statement with regards to the FW's when you haven't flown it in the main arena. especially not since one of the P-51's defensive strengths is its ability to just dip the nose and dive away.
I've only flown the P51 in the TA, so I cannot comment on whether my K/D would be better in it. I like that plane though,espcecially its ability to disengage almost at wll, and all that fiel means you can just go back with alt repeatedly. Good guns, too.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"All your base/are belong to us"
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Keep up the momentum!
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Originally posted by Servo:
Fishu, I fly the La5 fairly regularily and I find that, yes, it is difficult to hit anything with those Shivaks, but the plane itself is a wonder. The view over the nose sucks, but if you slide your view back you gain a better vantage over the nose. Just have to get in close. VERY close. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yes, its good otherwise, even though I never liked view out of the older cockpit (hmm, go to take look at the new one after this)
Probably most reason I never have flown it much, is its very low fuel in MA conditions.
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Yep...51 is a nice ride.
The statement I made was not based on hearsay, but fact based on years of flying the FW in 3 different sims. There are many in AH who I have known for years that could fly the FW with great success...they just choose otherwise (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW, as you are aware I'm sure, the FW has the nose down speed to exit most fights...only vertical manuevers need to be done with a bit more caution.
I know you must hate to hear that an allied opportunist might drive your ride as well or better than the great LW pilots in AH, but believe it, there are many who can...they choose to drive their favorite rides (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Like I said previously...I can't wait for the DORA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ice
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Reposted for your reading pleasure;
Psalm of Milenko
Kurt Tank is my shepherd, I shall not want; he maketh me a FW 190A8 to JABO down in green pastures.
He leads me beside still waters; he restores my K/D ratio.
He leads me in paths of B-n-Z for his name's sake.
Yea, though I FLY through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil; for thou MK108 30mm art with me, thy WGr21 and thy MG 151's, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a VULCHFEST before me in the presence of my enemies.
Thou anointest my head with oil, yet my BMW 801d runneth still.
Surely, DWEEDFIRES and RUNSTANGS, shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the WURGER forever!
And;
Book of Revelations:
Chapter 16, verse 10
'And the fifth WURGER' poured out his MG 151's upon the seat of the RUNSTANG; and his cockpit was full of darkness, and the RUNSTANGS gnawed thier tongues for pain.
And blasphemed the FW-190 Dora.
And repented not thier deeds.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Milenko
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I see an FW and go basicly nuts. No other A/C in this sim gets more INSTANT ATTENTION from a dedicated pony pilot than an FW.. a5; a8; F8; dora; Ta152; I don't give a damn; I'm gonna ignore the other red planes and get that damn FW. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I suspect the FW is not popular in arena play for singleton pilots simply because everybody wants to kill it.. it's a knee-jerk allied reaction I guess, and notable simply because evert time I come across one; it's already got a spit, a typhie and a pony in tow with an F4 chugging along behind the rest. I feel sorry fer them LW dweebs.. and hope they keep sending more of them over bishland.
"FW over a15!!" (two bish pony squads shift to a16 instantly)
LOL!
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR
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I'm sure Kurt invented the Tiffie ;-)
I used to be a big 190 fan, but the A5 is just not fast enough to disengage when it needs too. Of course this was the problem they had later on in the war.
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Hangtime that is so true. I will take considerable risks to bag one of them little buggers!
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"And now that we are fighting, we thought, we'll teach you rotten Huns how to fight. We'll shoot your pissy little fighters out of the sky, we'll rip your dirty great bombers to shreds, we'll make you wish to Christ you'd never heard of the aeroplane!"
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-19-2001).]
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from Hangtime:
"I suspect the FW is not popular in arena play for singleton pilots simply because everybody wants to kill it.. it's a knee-jerk allied reaction I guess, and notable simply because evert time I come across one; it's already got a spit, a typhie and a pony in tow with an F4 chugging along behind the rest."
from funked:
"Hangtime that is so true. I will take considerable risks to bag one of them little buggers!"
Hm... so I'm not being paranoid :P At least most of the Pony's are bish tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
mauser
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LOL Hangtime, funny you should mention that. Back in my WB days, we used to hold "kill the FW" nights, where the person who killed the most FW's that night got a little trinket from me in the mail. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Of the 600 engagements I've had since January 1, none of them have been against 190A-5s until tonight. 1:0 in the new millenium (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) And to a D25 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
AKDejaVu
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Of course Wulf's are premium catch in any WW II sim... We are rare unlike Spitfires or Moostangs which are too numerous to be counted really.
Lone Wulf and the herd ot the sheeps. Which one you would hunt?
Ta 152 will change things a little however! Maybe Moostang pilots will need to learn few more tricks since they cannot outrun all 190's anymore.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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DUH
Never thought of it that way.
been whining about "why do EVERYONE go for me all the time?"
Guess I know the answer now.
Come get some, allied dweebs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"All your base/are belong to us"
http://www.thefever.com/AYB2.swf
Keep up the momentum!
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Ta 152 will change things a little however! Maybe Moostang pilots will need to learn few more tricks since they cannot outrun all 190's anymore
Never looked at a Ta152 performance chart have yah? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Hehe, AKDejaVu... nice work. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As I Jug pilot, I look for FW's simply because they are a really good fight for me. P-47 vs. FW-190A8 is a hell of a fun fight, and both planes are similar enough to be a real blast! Those fights always make me think of Robert Johnson's book. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Never looked at a Ta152 performance chart have yah?
Yes I have. But have you looked recent kill stats? Tour 13:
Fw 190A-5 has 121 Kills of P-51D - P-51D has 87 Kills of Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8 has 107 Kills of P-51D - P-51D has 99 Kills of Fw 190A-8
If Fw 190's that are slower and worse turning than Ta 152 can kill Moostangs more than they get killed by it, wouldn't you think that Ta 152 will fare even better? Huh?
Ta 152 is much closer to Moostang in speed and in turn capability than either of current Fw 190's. So, do you feel lucky, punk?
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Santa I used to strafe their chutes too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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ummmm Jochen, the Ta152 at sea level is approximately the same speed as the 190A8.
(http://www.vermin.net/ta152/ta152-1.jpg)
And do you think it will have the same roll rate, with those huge wide aspect wings?
So do I feel lucky? Sure do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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I always expected the FW to be one of the more dominant planes in a flight sim. Something like a cross between a N1K and a P-51 or a C-hog and an La-5 from what I read. You always hear about the FW's dominating the Spit when the first came out. I realize that improvements to the Spit took away most of the FW's advantage. It still always surprises me how it doesn't perform as I expect it to. It doesn't get used a lot in here and it didn't in AW3 when I was in there. I will say the D9 did get good play time. But even at that they don't perform as I would have thought they did. The P-47 is the same way. It's a FAR better plane in AH than it was in AW and it's much much closer to what I would expect it to be like from what I've read but still not quite. I wonder if it was as much a flaw in the British tactics as the dominance of the FW and a flaw in the German tactics against the US. Anyone else feel the FW is missing something?
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Jochen....
Those kill stats vs. the pony are skewed. Many new pilots fly the pony due to the fact that it's well known and a popular allied ride.
Check them again when HTC enables the squad stats...I would venture to say the 13th TAS enjoyed a higher degree of success against the beloved FW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ice
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Anyone else feel the FW is missing something?
No. In here it has to fight the best planes of 1944 and 1945, and without a good pilot, it will get clobbered just like it did in real life.
Put it against Spitfire II, Spitfire V, Yak-1, an early version of Yak-9, or LaGG-3, and it will be an uber plane, like it was in real life against those planes.
We had a situtation like that in Afrika Korps. The 190 kill/loss ratios were by far the best in the scenario.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-20-2001).]
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ummmm Jochen, the Ta152 at sea level is approximately the same speed as the 190A8.
Ummmm vermillion, in high altitides Ta 152 has very much greater speed than the 190A-8 or A-5 for that matter. In no altitide it is slower than 190A-8, in case you haven't noticed it.
And do you think it will have the same roll rate, with those huge wide aspect wings?
No I don't, if you have read my guestimation of Ta 152 performance in Aircraft and vehicles section in this board you would know that I know it does not roll as well as Fw 190's.
Ta 152H-1 is overall better plane than either of Fw 190A's because it is as fast or faster depending on altitude, it also turns better.
Fw 190's already kills more Mustangs than they kill Fw 190's. Ta 152H-1 will most likely kill even more Mustangs because it is a better plane than either 190's. What is the part you don't understand?
So do I feel lucky? Sure do
Me too.
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Originally posted by funked:
No. In here it has to fight the best planes of 1944 and 1945, and without a good pilot, it will get clobbered just like it did in real life...
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-20-2001).]
Thx funked. so It's just the fact that the Allied planes caught up and surpassed it by 44-45. Makes since.
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shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
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LOL.. 190's.. LOL.
Don't give a damn what flavor it is.. it's Pony food. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
"Turn to kill, not to engage."
Commander 'Willie' Driscoll, USNR