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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Wotan on October 31, 2002, 08:00:02 AM
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early '42 Raf Circus
I am gonna use the the bigbob map
Allies
Fighters
Spit V
Hurri IIc
Spit IX limited to 2 bases (a9 and a64)
Bombers
Boston III
Axis
Fighters
109f4
190a5 limited to 2 bases (a12 and a44)
Bombers
ju88
all
ostwind
m16
No field capture
Fuel mod 1
radar at 25 miles
ack lethality, structure hardness and down times at main default.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Axis
Fighters
109f4
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Yeah!
I feel nekkin in anything else :)
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Looks good!
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Could you enable hurriMk 1 anywhere? maybe on a carrier as sea hurri (dont remember if "BigBOB" map had cv's?)
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skiiiinz!!
give us skiiinz!!!!
:D
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Is the BigBob a one to one scale map?
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Yes thrawn but at calaise its less then a sector between fields. Also the fuel mod is at 1.
Theres no cvs on this map just small coastal tgs.
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(sigh) No way to stick the early Jugg D-11 in ther could you?
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This is about a year early for the P-47
If we're talking early/mid '42 here, perhaps the Germans could have the 109G-2 as a perk or something :)
J_A_B
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Salute
If Spit IX is in Setup, then the G2 should also be there.
As a matter of fact, if it is early '42, then the Spit IX shouldn't be there at all, and neither should G2.
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How about the 110C, just for yucks?
eskimo
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I know buzz but I dont have an earlier version of the 190. So if want a 190 folks will want the spit 9. Just like in every other setup where the a5 has been enabled.
I need a 190 to balance jabo capabilities. The hurr IIc has 2 x 500lbs bombs. The 110c is enabled but is relatively slow and under gunned. I cant limit the 110g to be used with out the 30mm or gun pods.
Nothing in the ct has been strictly historic. They are gameplay concessions. This is one of those.
Having these 2 aircraft enabled (a5 spit 9) at limited bases doesnt really impact gameplay very much.
Eagler I enabled the 110c as well......... Also there is field capture.
No jugs Amis arent there yet........
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:( FUDGE!
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Did the brits fly p40s in england? From my recent readings they seem to have saturated all of the other theaters.... How many of those planes were built? Something like 13000 of them if I remember right. Popping a p40 into these bob scenarios, if they were there, would be a nice addition.
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Originally posted by Andijg
:( FUDGE!
LOL damn good try though XO. ;)
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Ia could add a p40e but its outclassed by the 109f4 easily. The p40e was sent to secondary theaters such as NA and the Far east.
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There really shouldnt be any SpitIX in this setup.
The difference in flight performance between a FW190A2 (late 1941) and FW190A5 are minimal and the British had to deal with their superiority beacuse it outclassed the SpitV. And even if you include the SpitIX it should be far more limited than the FW190- not evenly limited in availabililty, because it only came out one full year later and then in much smaller numbers in the late summer of 1942.
So either get rid of the SpitIX or enable FW190A5 at all LW fields, both JG26 and JG2 had loads of them by this 1942 timeframe.
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again the whines will be defening if the spit 9 is not included and the a5 is. Its a pattern. Even in tunisia where at the most there were a few spit 9s and plenty of 190s the AWM (allied whine mafia) raised such a fuss that they were final given the spit 9. Never mind the fact they had the p51b and p38l and a jug.
I would have only put the 109f vrs spit 5 but again the forum would be filled up with posts about how the set up is unfair.
The 190a3 was the better plane in the british tests against the spit 5 and 9. Others will tell you that the tests were a sham becuase the brits didnt want those making the descisions about which plane to develop and so they dumbed down the tests as to make it look as if the 190 was so much better.
I could take a hardline but if no one flies the set up then whats the point.
Even in the libya set up the 109f was with held as a pre-emptive strike against AMW.
Even though the difference in performance between the a2 a3 a4 and a5 are neglible its a hard sell to the AWM.
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I think the plane choices in this set-up are fine. The Spit V and 109F are a great and classic match. The 190 and Spit IX are also a great match against each other and each has a clear advantage over the enemy's standard front-line fighter.
All of the British fighters are capable of out-turning any of the German fighters in a sustained turn fight. I think the 190 should be able to out run the Spit-IX and all others. The 109F can out run the Hurri and Spit-V. The Spit-IX, however, can barely run the 109F down, and out-turn it, giving the 109F no obvious defensive out, but such is life when you fly for the bad-guys :). (Seriously, no complaint here, it's just the way it is, which is fine.) Probably the hardest thing about fighting against a mixed bag of Spits is that its hard to tell which type your up against.
The 110 is a turd, as it should be.
I think its a good plane-type match up.
As far as GVs go, I think the Ostwind is a bit ubber. I'd rather see it traded (on both sides) for the M-16 and the M-8. Right now, it has an overall K/D of 6.33 (so far, CT Tour 9).
BTW, PT spawns are not always working. I insta-died both times I tried to spawn in one (ended up on shore for 1/2 second/BOOM).
eskimo
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According to the HTC charts, the Me-109F-4 is about 5 MPH faster than the Spit 9 at sea level up to about 5500 feet and also climbs a hair better at that low altitude.
Also, I don't think there's an "Allied whine mafia" as you say it. Rather, BOTH sides whine when they percieve themselves to be at a disadvantage, which is understandable. This is what happens when you give two sides different and unequal equipment, ESPECIALLY when different people have different perceptions about how that equipment is "supposed" to perform. The situation you see here is no different than the many many RPS complaints you see on AGW, except on a smaller scale (IMO because everyone here knows thart a bad setup will last only a week).
J_A_B
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Wotan at least enable FW190A5 at every LW fieldwhile keeping the Spit 9 limited to the four fields as is now, or better yet cut that down to two as I believe only two RAF squadrons had them at the start.
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There only 2 spit 9s within 15 miles of coastal england. The rest are 3 sectors deep in the interior.
If the a5 were an abled at all fields all you we see in a5s. Then the AWM would show its head. There a5s available at a12 20 miles from the coast.
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Wotan: "the AWM (allied whine mafia) "
"If Spit IX is in Setup, then the G2 should also be there. "
"There really shouldnt be any SpitIX in this setup. "
"HA and all other current flight sims are allied bias, always have been always will be, however.............."
"If you Allied types don't want any opposition, that's fine. You're coming dangerously close to achieving your goal"
"either add the 109f as it should be or replace p40e with p40b... the p40e is way outclassing LW stuff."
"Balance" is a joke."
"Nothing like fighting a 1944 p38l at 30k in a 1942 109g6 "
"Until the gross inbalance is addressed I see no reason to provide myself as a sitting duck of a target to VF-27 and 880 FAA."
Yep, gotta watch us whiney Allied types, uh huh. :rolleyes:
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I have asked this before but why is not SOP for the CT to have the perk points "flushed" and start implementing a perk system.
Spit IX 1 pt. for instance for a 1942 setup. If they want em fine, but they have to do a few sorties and bring it back again or lose it.
You could have a "late 1941" setup and do the same thing Spit V vs perked 190A5. Seems fair to me.
It was used before in the CT but for some reason these last few months I have not seen it used?
Btw, 109F vs Spitfire V? bring it on. We have no problem with it. Well, I dont, and neither does my squad.
Later.
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Salute
Will say again:
If Spit IX is in Setup, then G2 should be there too.
Both were introduced in the summer of 1942.
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If perking the Spit 9 will quiet down the Allied whiners, then Im all for........ wait a minute. Who's in the "AWM" again?
I like the setup. ( I know you were just hoping for my approval :D )
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Chanter the difference is those guys are technically correct.
The AWM now who they are. Do a search on tunisia where the allies had the a5 and there was no spit 9. AWM are rarely correct but raise such a fuss that most of the time its easier just to get out it front so we dont have hear it.
People who just read the write up without playing it out in the arena have no idea what they are talking about. The spit 9 has little to no impact on the setup.
This setup focuses on the spit 5 109f4. If aint for you dont fly it.
The a5 is only abled to allow a jabo capability for the lw. This is centered around giving them the ability to retake fields on the continent. Thats why they are limitited and at second line fields.
We all know that if the a5 is enabled then the whines to enable the spit 9 would be defening.
The lw aint getting the g2, nor will they get the a5 at everybase.
Fly a 109f4 and go fight a spit 5.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I think the plane choices in this set-up are fine.
Agreed. I had expected to be condemned, once again, to flying Axis planes in order to even out the balance. Lo and behold, the numbers have been consistently close enough that I have flown both sides.
IMHO, this setup shows one of the CT's best features: It pits dissimilar historic aircraft against each other. There are few match-ups where each plane doesn't have something to offer in its own favor. If you listen to the whines (and who WERE all those people on Sunday night?), they seem about evenly divided.
- oldman
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Untill HTC models every last plane used in ww2 these setups will never be exactly equal as they should not be exactly equal.
So just take what you got,get what you get,and get over it.