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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on October 01, 2001, 12:42:00 AM
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Great job all! and make sure you give some props to the people that helped you out EVERY SINGLE TIME I DIED. This game is absolutely starting to disgust me. How many people on one person is to many? I counted( I swear to CHRIST) 12 planes chasing AKLarry around, and that seems to be pretty much the norm. Get a life, you gangbanging freaks. Jesus.
On a totally unrelated side-note... how long will the LA7's engine run with an oil leak? My last assraping of the day was by an La7 that had its oil hit on his very first run at the ack. He made 5 more passes, then turned to fight me once his friends arrived. The fight was pretty short, only about 1 minute or so- but I know for whoopee sure none of the planes I fly will take a hit to the oil, extend 6 kilometers from the base inbetween FIVE more ack runs, and have enough left over for a short dogfight.
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who have not many bandits on his tail .
last night i had my record 5 guy's i know not many .
someone can say now don't go there , but one guy was in trouble there , so i went there to help him , and then it's still 5 vs 2 .
before i got there he was shot down and yes no escape for me and i never escape from an fight couse i fly most spit9 and the seafire .
i got 2 but was heavy damaged leaking oil engine my rudder 2 303 guns :-) .
think i damaged 1 and yes bbbbbbbbbbbbooooooooooooooooo oooommmmmmmmmmmm .
had to bail out , i am not mad about it why i shot 2 and 1 damaged .
mabey an ace should had 3 or 4 or all .....
svalan :cool:
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Urchin,
Ya need a wingman. It's the only way to breakup a horde chasing ya.
Look me up sometime online, I'll fly with ya.
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Originally posted by Urchin:
Great job all! and make sure you give some props to the people that helped you out EVERY SINGLE TIME I DIED. This game is absolutely starting to disgust me. How many people on one person is to many? I counted( I swear to CHRIST) 12 planes chasing AKLarry around, and that seems to be pretty much the norm. Get a life, you gangbanging freaks. Jesus.
So, they should not? They should let you away, or decide and send 1 after you for a "fair fight"?
Had resently comment on channel 1, that I am dweeb because I am killing heavy jabo planes. Commenter probably though I shall let him drop the load on our base, and then fight him.
Such kind of comments is what makes AH not so good environment. With a time you grow a thick skin against such things, still sometime it is not a pleasure to hear, especially if you are sending someone <S> and he blows back with some accusations.
Though I do not like to be killed in AH that much, still I understand that every my death is mainly result of my own mistakes. Sure, luck involved sometimes, but ofthen if you are bounced -- you are not careful enough, chosed wrong field, did not climb enough, were too concentrated on kill etc. If you was killed in a HO -- you did not evaded good (with almost every single plane HO my yak I die only couple of time during the tour of "unwanted" HO, and 20-30 more of the HO I chosed to accept).
I said it before here, but seems it need to be repeated -- one shall accept every time he is killed as an expirience which will help him to be better. If he consider its a bad luck, someone dweebery, or whatever, he loses the chance to see his own mistake, and to be better next time.
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Fariz ]
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dont gotta worry bout me bein one of the gang bangers.....usually if there is more than 2 ppl after a guy (or girl) i wont engage. its pretty pointless to jump into a fight and only get an assist....or steal the kill from someone else. its just not my thing
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: pimpjoe ]
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Fariz, You're such a dweeb for killing my C47 this morning ;)
<h,d&r!>
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Urchin,
Get a wingman it'll help, you prolly still get killed against 12 but at least U take a couple down with you that way.
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Originally posted by Urchin:
On a totally unrelated side-note... how long will the LA7's engine run with an oil leak?
AFAIK, infinite with any kind of smoke colour. Yesterday I was chasing a white smoking La7 along two quadrants before I desisted. I've seen a lot of cases of black smoking La7 fighting forever. I'm starting to think that this plane has an internal oil/fuel generator...
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It uses them there Dylithem Crystals... the oil is just a Romulan ruse to bait you into closing with him.
xBAT
P.S Urchin... get fast and fly near a hilly section. Sometimes you'll make a couple of them auger...
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Originally posted by Fariz:
So, they should not? They should let you away, or decide and send 1 after you for a "fair fight"?
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Fariz ]
...And why NOT? SOP for me is if I see more than one friendly fighting a single aircraft, I consider it a matter of principle not to engage. 5 planes chasing around after a single enemy is not only a tactical blunder, foolish, and outright pointless, it makes the majority of the gangbangers look like a bunch of drooling, target fixated morons...ahem...IMHO. As stated before, a massive furball or coordinated attack are one matter, but what is typically described as gangbanging...well....go right ahead. All the gangbangers are doing is freeing up the unfriendly skies of AH for my own leisurly enjoyment.
Tumor
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Do I like to get gangbanged? No, of course not. But whenever I do, I just ask myself, "Who got themselves into a position to get gangbanged?". Ummm..... could it be yourself?
Urchin, take a break from the game for a week or two and chill a little, will all your rants lately your starting to sound like R4M.
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I think a little more SA could help you. Dont you check carefully the sky around when bouncing a lower con or diving down to help a fellow? I mean before and *after*, while you are going down and during the whole fight, that is.
Everytime I get bounced and gangbanged its my fault. It happened many times during this TOD. After three months of no flying my SA is almost gone :)
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]
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tell ya what... If there is lot's to do then no... why chase a single con. If it is the only action in half a tank of fuel then yeah, I'm gonna try to steal him from the other 11 guys.
Also.. if I let the guy go then sure as hell... when I see tracers flying by me it's that guy with the same 11 guys still chasing him.
and we do have a 152 in AH it's every bit as worthless as the real one was but it is a lot more common.
lazs
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Quit Your Whinin!
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Fariz:
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So, they should not? They should let you away, or decide and send 1 after you for a "fair fight"?
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Five on one is imo, ruining the fight for everyone. The one probably gets the best out of the deal, because at least it's a good challenge, and if he does get away, or even just kills one of the gangbangers, it can be a feeling of accomplishment.
For the five, however, it's a real waste of time. If one of them does get the kill, it's nothing but a worthless gangbang kill.
The only worthwhile thing they're liable to learn is not to gangbang on the deck, because they're putting themselves in a position to be bounced when the target's friends show up at altitude to help. But for some reason, this lesson is lost on everyone.
And just think how useless the gangbangers are for the guy that decides to stay over the fight and watch for more enemy. He's liable to be overwhelmed when the enemy shows up, because all his friends are on the deck, trying to get away and re-grab all the alt they wasted.
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Such kind of comments is what makes AH not so good environment. With a time you grow a thick skin against such things, still sometime it is not a pleasure to hear, especially if you are sending someone <S> and he blows back with some accusations.
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Only good things to say after a fight are <S>, fun fight!, or something similar. (not that I haven't slipped, and let a negative comment get through from time to time)
During (or before) a fight, however, taunts, and similar comments are all part of competative arena play, imo.
Of course, accusations of cheating are nothing but compliments, but if you kill someone, coming back and calling him a UFO warper is just pure crap. At best, say something like 'little warpy there, but fun fight'. You'll be much more likely to get the other guy to want to check his connection than you would by acting like a poor sport.
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I said it before here, but seems it need to be repeated -- one shall accept every time he is killed as an expirience which will help him to be better. If he consider its a bad luck, someone dweebery, or whatever, he loses the chance to see his own mistake, and to be better next time.
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I like that--one shall accept every time he is killed as an expirience which will help him to be better.
First thing anyone should learn when starting to play AH. In fact, I think HTC should make room in every cockpit and add the above mantra in bold letters, in plain view. Let everyone read it, over and over, until they can't get it out of their heads. :)
anRky
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Vermillion:
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Do I like to get gangbanged? No, of course not. But whenever I do, I just ask myself, "Who got themselves into a position to get gangbanged?". Ummm..... could it be yourself?
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Sure, every time I take off in a 202, or a zero, or any other slow plane in the MA, there's no doubt I'm gonna get trapped by all the fast planes. Especially when radar is down.
Doesn't make for fun arena play, but what the hell, arena play sucks all around, anyway.
Night before last, I decided not to get gangbanged, took off in a D9, and, after a couple of rearms, landed a 12 kill mission. Bored the crap out of me. Not a good kill in the bunch. They were all either vulches, or kills of guys gangbanging on the deck.
When I fly in AH, not in an event, I want to practice my fighting skills to prepare for any upcoming event. I don't want to spend all my time either being gangbanged, or attacking gangbangers. I've had enough practice in that area already.
anRky
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Urchin's wingman is grounded till I get my stick back x36 hats were porked waiting for replacement in mail.
Urch
Sorry mate.................... :(
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Urch I agree on the la7 oil leak problem. I had hit an La7 on the oil cooler we flew around for 15 20 in in a dogfight and at then end of it he just flew away unharmed. I was flying with HT that day in his P262-51.
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Glasses, your signature is awesome!!! :)
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Urchin Fariz is right.we cant stop people playing how they like.We can frown on it but thats about it.I dont gangbang with those packs of hyenas because even if you do kill the plane one of the others steal it or flies into your bullets killing you.
I cant stress enough how much squad flying improved my game enjoyment.theres nothing better than flying in 4's or more and having the other 3 wingmen holding fire and only helping when you need or ask for it.Hell i really dont mind getting assists when i know a fellow squadie has the kill, eventually it all evens up.
If you need a group to fly with urchin keep an eye on jg54 and if you see 3 or more on ask to join us for a bit.
Im sure you'll enjoy our flights/fights :D.
sounds to me urchin that you have come to the single player burnout stage.Every fight is against the odds,you get real good at evasives, even spectacular at times! :P but the game starts to annoy when even flying well you just cant avoid so many shooting at you.
Time for a few missions or squad flying or the CT.
I think that will help you get the fun aspect back.
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afaik i dont think anyone here (cept for a few exceptions) pays for anyone else.
it's their money, they can fly the way they want to fly.
you get in a 12v1 situation you darned well are at fault for putting yourself there.
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<YAWN>
This is getting sooooooo tired... please change the record, brother.
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Dowding ]
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The more back there, the merrier. They usually shoot themselves down at some point, or they run into the ground.
Atleast when chasing me. <G>
-SW
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Originally posted by Urchin:
The fight was pretty short, only about 1 minute or so- but I know for whoopee sure none of the planes I fly will take a hit to the oil, extend 6 kilometers from the base inbetween FIVE more ack runs, and have enough left over for a short dogfight.
F4U – takes a licking and keeps on ticking. I’ve had oil hits and traversed over 30 miles of terrain before she gave out. Indeed I could have made 5 AA passes and have in the past stayed around for dogfights and made friendly territory safely.
A question would be, how many proximity kills did Larry get from folks auguring trying to hit him? I would bet at least one. Also, why was Larry in a position where he could get 12 or so combatants on his 6?
Zippatuh
* EDIT - wrong mile amount 30 not 40 *
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Zippatuh ]
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Just an FYI, becuase there are very few people who fly the La5FN like the La7- or perhaps even better- you would be less likely to know that the La5 lasts just about as long leaking oil as the La7.
-SW
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Sure, every time I take off in a 202, or a zero, or any other slow plane in the MA, there's no doubt I'm gonna get trapped by all the fast planes. Especially when radar is down.
Thats my point.
If you don't want to get gangbanged, don't fly a slow plane or set yourself up to get low and slow.
Its all a matter of choices. If you choose to get in a TnB aircraft, because you like to turnfight, I don't see much how you can complain, because you know exactly what is going to happen.
You can't make people play the way YOU want them to play.
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I just think its funny when Im in my Mighty 202 and I have 10 guys trying to kill me. :D
I mean.. I wouldnt want to threaten their existiance with my Uber mighty perk plane :rolleyes: :D hehehehe
I also like to fly into a group of 10 guys and come out killing at least 5 :D its satisfying flying an Infieror plane winning against better ones :)
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It happens to everyone. I've been flying the F6F a lot the past month and don't think I've not seen a bazillion red icons behind me.
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Its all a matter of choices. If you choose to get in a TnB aircraft, because you like to turnfight, I don't see much how you can complain, because you know exactly what is going to happen.
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It *is* a matter of choices--choices I don't have. You said it best, if I fly a 202, I'm gonna die. Where is my choice to fly an airplane aganst its contemporaries?
My choice is to fly in the MA, there is no other. CT is empty, DA is empty or closed, events are...
Well, I don't like to complain about events, because they are what I'm here for, and I'd really like to say nothing that's not positive about them, but--they're just a small shadow of what I grew accustomed to, in fact even took for granted, in AW.
When I switched back to AH in January, I did it because I saw a web page I hadn't seen before, http://events.hitechcreations.com (http://events.hitechcreations.com) that promised all this great stuff to come. Scenarios, 'check six' events, snapshots...
Since then, there's been *one* scenario, HS (as opposed to *four*, I think, in AW) -- the snapshots I attended, (not gonna say something bad, so I'll just say nothing)-- check sixes, never was able to attend one, now they're no more -- and TODs, well, TODs have a few problems now, but I can tell they're gonna be great! (I hope, if enthusiasm keeps up)
Where's all the neat stuff that should be going on in a thriving sim? All I see is the crappy MA. An arena full of just a few aircraft, in a sim that has lots of interesting, fun rides--that all die in the situation they're put in, not by the pilots' choice, but because there *is* no choice.
~sigh~
anRky
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I'm trying not to be cynical here, but this post is, IMO, a waste of bandwidth. Why?? Simply because the poster has the choice to either put themselves in that position or not.
To whine about events that are a direct result of their decisions is just sad.
And Arnky, if you are saying that there are no choices in the MA, then you are not using your imagination enough.
Cobra
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]
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Cobra:
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And Arnky, if you are saying that there are no choices in the MA, then you are not using your imagination enough.
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I'm saying there are no choices *but* the MA, and the MA sucks.
anRky
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As the 109G10 that shot you down, neener neener :)
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Well said Fariz.
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While congratulating the many who of course had no chance of besting you in a 1v1 engagement, make sure to thank all those who allowed themselves to be killed while taking off from an airfield with no functioning flak and 10 of your 'elite' friends hovering nearby. You at least owe those vulching victims *some* credit for your pretty K/D ratio. Of couse this applies to more 'elite' 'pilots' of AH than just you...
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Sourpuss.
-- Todd/DMF
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Anrky, bud we've known each other for a long time, but I gotta disagree with you.
This thread started out as a debate about gangbanging, but has somehow mutated into a complaint about the dweebish MA, you view on events, and how the CT is a wasteland.
The MA is the MA, and its the same everywhere. AirWarrior, Warbirds, FighterAce, and Aces High. Its all the same gaming the game mentality, with only slight differences.
My opinon on the CT is that it isn't my cup o tea, but if others enjoy it, thats fine. But the problem is that if you put 3 CT fliers in the same room, you'll get 5 opinons on how it should be setup and what it needs to be a success. To me (and to many others obviously) its too exclusionary and isn't what I look for to have fun.
Events. Well, I'm not involved in the events here like I use to be due to my personal life taking up alot of time. And I don't help put on the AW Scenarios like I use too either. But I definitely know how much work goes into one. One of the biggest problems is that there are only a very few people who want to do the work to hold a scenario, and tons of people who want to participate. Maybe if some of the interested parties would step forward and offer to help, things would go better.
And AW has had 4 full blown scenarios since January? Wow. Not only is that amazing from the logistic stand point of finding enough people to run the things, but I'm amazed that they still draw enough people to actually fill all the flight spots. The last time I was involved over there, they had actually burnt out the scenario crowd, and attendance was so low, they could hardly fly each frame due to low attendance.
*S* to them.
Where am I going with all this? toejam I honestly don't know since the debate has shifted about 15 times in this thread ;)
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Vermillion:
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Anrky, bud we've known each other for a long time, but I gotta disagree with you.
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Yep, and we've had this same argument before, too. Don't know why I started agruing it again, unless it's the new level of burnout I think I've just achieved.
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The MA is the MA, and its the same everywhere. AirWarrior, Warbirds, FighterAce, and Aces High. Its all the same gaming the game mentality, with only slight differences.
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How true. :( I wish one of these games would step up to the plate, and try something new, original, and fun, instead of just another variation of AW arena play that's evolved little since long before I started playing.
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My opinon on the CT is that it isn't my cup o tea, but ...
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My opinion on the CT is that Historical Arena is an oxymoron, even if you call it Combat Theater.
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...Maybe if some of the interested parties would step forward and offer to help, things would go better.
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The other day, when daddog posted that the TOD was canceled because of lack of CMs, I immedietly fired off a message to him, volunteering my time to do anything they needed, even if it was just sitting out many of the frames, watching the door--no matter how boring or meinal. This was before any of the posts asking for volunteers for the CM team. He sent me a message back, saying he'd get my name put on the volunteer list. I said sure, and if you don't need me now, keep my name in mind for the future.
Truthfully, I'm just as glad I wasn't accepted, because I *know* these things are a lot of work. My offer still stands, though. I've got winter coming up, and probably a lot more free time on my hands. And I want events to work and become popular more than anything else in AH.
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And AW has had 4 full blown scenarios since January?
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I was thinking, and I can only think of three--Niemen, Rhur, and the one they just started the other day. I really think I'm forgetting one, though. Don't keep up with AW much anymore. (edit: Oh yeah, they re-did that Pearl Harbor one again)
Anyway, I'm burned out, bored, and can't find another game that'll keep my mind off AH for awhile.
anRky
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: AN ]
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Originally posted by pimpjoe:
dont gotta worry bout me bein one of the gang bangers.....usually if there is more than 2 ppl after a guy (or girl) i wont engage. its pretty pointless to jump into a fight and only get an assist....or steal the kill from someone else. its just not my thing
[ 10-01-2001: Message edited by: pimpjoe ]
LOL
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Just so ya know Anrky... As far as the large multi-frame scenarios go, we've been developing the next one for quite some time, but it became apparent that it would be ready at about the same time as 1.08's release. Since this release has been just on verge of coming out, we thought it would be better to push the scenario ahead a bit so we could take advantage of the new features like towns, railroads, new planes etc. I mean, it would be kind of a shame to ignore these features in the scenario. So... there's been a bit of a delay there... but as soon as 1.08 comes out we'll crank into high gear and start registration very shortly afterwards.
Also, we've decided to run these in a different format.... Compressed down from 4 frames over four weeks to 4 frames over 2 days, allowing us to develop these scenarios with a lot less wait in between. I'm hoping to run one every three months.
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Originally posted by Urchin:
whine whine whine whine whine whine whine I DIED. whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine SO I'LL BLAME whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine OTHER PEOPLE whine whine whine whine whine whine whine whine
Urchin,
You die if you make a mistake. You die if you don't watch your six. You die if you don't grab alt before engaging bad guys. You die if you get low and slow in a furball. You die if you get bounced by someone who stalked you from high alt. You die... in heaps of many other ways.
In short, quit telling other people how to play so that you (or your countrymates) get shot down less. Maybe you need to look at how you play the game and make some changes there if this fact is getting you so worked up.
Coming onto this board and whining (there is no softer word for your post) will not move people to change anything.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Live with it. Enjoy the game. Quit whining."
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Nash:
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Also, we've decided to run these in a different format.... Compressed down from 4 frames over four weeks to 4 frames over 2 days
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Really, 2 frames a day?
anRky
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Ayup. :)
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Damn, I try to lay down and go to sleep, but your two frames a day comment got my mind a racin'.
Is there going to be any down time between the frames, or you just going to go from one frame to the next and try to do them both in 4 hours? Or are you going to shorten the frames? I remember a post asking if we could do 4 hours, 2 days in a row, so I'm assuming they'll still be 2 hour frames? Are they going to be 2 days in a row, or spread out over 2 weekends?
Even with no down time in between, it's still usually at least 1/2 hour or more getting squads organized and walkons assigned added to the 4 hours, with maybe 10-15 mins afterwards collecting aars for some squads that don't die early. (maybe you're getting rid of the need for pilots to give aars, and taking all info from the logs like in the TODs?) Isn't nearly 5 hours (more if there's down time between the frames) a looong time to keep people interested, especially in an environment where scenarios aren't all that popluar? I remember suggesting a 3/hour a day, 2 day event for AW once, and the greatest amount of feedback I got was, 'too long'. (even though there had just been a 2 phase, 5 frame per phase scenario; and not long before that one, a 3 phase, 6 frame per phase scenario, all 2 hour frames, though )
And how about the people who die early in the first frame? Do you expect problems getting them to come back an hour or more later for the next frame? Especially since it's entirely possible (even likely) for many to get pissed about something that happened and decide to quit, without enough time to cool off and change their mind?
How about walkons? (I'm assuming there will be walkons in a large scenario) Are they going to be assigned at the start of the first frame, and expected to stay through both, or will there be a second chance for walkons to get a ride before the second frame that day?
And how about planning? Is there going to be any room for the first frame to affect what happens in the next frame(s), thus requiring updated plans, or even new mission plans? Or are the two frames going to be fairly static, allowing planning to be done for both frames before game day?
I 'think' that's all for now, except for the biggest question, and I already know the answer to that one--two weeks. ;)
Hopefully I won't wake up in an hour with more questions.
It's going to be interesting to see how it's done, and watch how it goes.
anRky
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Yep, brain won't quit, can't sleep :(
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...but it became apparent that it would be ready at about the same time as 1.08's release.
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Does this mean that you have some inside info on roughly when 1.08'll be out? I mean, the 'it's out!' trolls have been going on surely over a month now, and it's seemed to me, and obviously many others that it could be out any time.
But...for all I, or anyone else but HTC knows, it could be another month, or two...
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Since this release has been just on verge of coming out,
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You know something, or are you just guessing?
It doesn't seem wise to me to hold off a scenario indefinately, just for a few extra toys that may, or may not work as expected when we get them.
That is, unless you know something. :)
anRky
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While the CMs sometimes get a bit of inside info, we never knew and still don't know exactly when 1.08 will be released. That being said... Looking at how long it takes to go through the creation stage of the scenario, then through to registration - it was pretty much a no brainer that the scenario was gonna hit pretty darn near 1.08's release. And like I said above, it'd just be a shame if we came out with a scenario that didn't incorporate any of the new planes, the trains, the towns and convoys etc. They are gonna be fantastic and I want everyone to be able to blow all this stuff up.
As for the format... We're still honing in on it a bit, but we're looking at two ways of going about it. One way is to do the traditional frame/pause/frame/pause thing... and another thing we've been kicking around is a sort of real time battle extending over a period of 4-6 hours/day. Each squad will have a specific schedule (ie. your 1st sortie will begin at 2:15pm and you'll be flying a second one at 3:40pm)... And what happens over the entire day is a constant stream of battles, all coordinated by a command staff - giving you your mission orders on the fly based on AARs & BDAs as they are recieved. Very fluid. And while overall the fighting will stretch over quite a while - individually it wont be too taxing for people that can't spend that ammount of time in front of their computer. They'll know their time slots in advance, and can sign up for as much or as little as they want.
At the end of the 1st day there will obviously be a pause where each side can assess the situation more completely and put together thier planning for the following day.
Hhm... I hope this answers your questions ok.
Sorry if this thread got hijacked, Urchin. But it sucked anyway. :)
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I think I'd be interested in participating in a scenario as a Mossie pilot.
I'll keep my eyes open for announcements.
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AN, do you ever joined the smaller weekend events?
I did the BoB Wilbuz (S! Wilbuz) organised this weekend. Participation was relatively low and therefore the event was over rather quickly. If more people would join it much more could be made of it.
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Sounds great Nash, I was really worried about participating in such a long event.
Apar, I used to join the Friday night snapshots, when they were around, but Sat and Sun afternoon for events really sucks for me (especially Sat).
I made a special effort for HS, even though I was moving at the time, and I'll probably make a special effort for the next one, since it's been so long since the last scenario. But I'm not going to spend my weekend afternoons inside for the smaller events, because frankly, they're just not worth it. This winter, it may be different though, and you might see me show up for a few.
anRky
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Nash:
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Sorry if this thread got hijacked, Urchin. But it sucked anyway. :)
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BTW, you're right, Nash. I think I'll stop freeloading and start my own thread.
anRky