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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: anton on October 31, 2002, 11:03:43 PM
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I need a good source for bombing instructions. I have been unsuccessful in my attepts to self teach the new bombing technique. Is there some thread or even better, a teacher who will guide me through this new & complicated way of delivering devostation & anhialation? :cool:
Anton
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Hi Anton,
Check out this incredible thread by Kweassa (one of the most intelligent flyers in this entire game). If you need more help look me up online and I'll take you for a spin sometime. My online name is SpinDoc, hope to see you soon!
Level Bombing Method Explained (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=57667&referrerid=3559)
Jason
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You can also check out the TIGER new website that is under construction but ALF has made an EXCELLENT tutorial complete with pictures at
http://www.combathanger.com
TG12
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If you see me online Anton I'll do what I can to help you out. It really is quite easy to do after you get a hang of things.
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Read the help files at the HTC site yet?
They have a nice step by step with pictures.
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Is there a practice bombsite for dive bombing?
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Is there a practice bombsite for dive bombing?
Yeah, the constantly computing bombsight works perfectly for dive-bombing too. You can enable it in the setup of the arena when offline or when hosting a H2H session.
Kwessas article was very good, but one of the toughest things to do is to calibrate. Practice calibrating offline by turing on the jabo sight and then going through the process of calibrating over and over. If the calibrated point matches the jabo point then you know you calibrated properly.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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thnx for the replies, I plan to spend my nexr=t stick time cheking all these things out. Ill be in touch.
As for the divebomb sights They work all to well, in fact i recommend staying away from them if you plan to fly MA. The reason I say this is because they aren't available in MA & its too easy to become dependant on them. At least it was for me.
Anton
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I have been playing for years (aw and ah) and i am a dive bomb site cripple. I have been trying for a year now to learn how to dive bomb in ah, so I figure now is the time to try the practice site....
For level bombing, I found that running the site way up towards the horizon, then setting the calibration worked wonders....
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The good thing about the dive bomb sight is you can use it to practice your level bombing calibration. Since it is continuously computed, if you are in the bomb sight, you can look through and see exactly where you bombs would land. If you calibrate your bombsight, then flip out of calibration mode, the two should match up, if you did a proper calibration. If not, the difference is the error in your calibration.
Using the dive-bomb point like this is very useful since you can calibrate over and over and over just to get some practice and not actually have to release a single bomb.
You are right, using the jabo sight too much can make you rely on it for dive-bombing, but at least it gives you some ideas of where to aim. It's like training wheels though, once you get the hang of dive-bombing you should drop using the sight.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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how do you turn it on exactly? I cant seem to find it....
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Open up settings, select arena setting, and then look for the parameter called "FlightModeFlags". Click the change button and it will list all the jabo and lead-computing aim point sights for guns.
You can only do this in an arena where you can control the settings, so only offline or in a H2H arena.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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Thanks soda! I was hoping you would write, as I have been practicing for about an hour and getting nowhere!
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well, I checked out kweassa's link & its very detailed. Gonna need to print it out & have it next to me as I try it out.
Anton
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no problem, glad I could help.
When the new bombing model was introduced I went offline and ran likely 50+ calibrations using different methods until I was comfortable with them. I simply used the jabo sight to test out how my calibrations worked out.
a note: when doing this, make sure you are looking through the bombsight at a piece of land that is the same altitude as the target you selected. If you don't then the calibration will never be on the target until you pass over some land that is the correct altitude.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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Whatever you do, dont get discouraged!
With a little practice, you can take out hangers from 20k feet 90% of the time. Its much more rewarding now that buffing requires a little skill :D
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Very good point Soda, Thanks
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A couple of additional points for people looking for help in bombers.
1) Don't bother flying a formation of bombers until you master it as a single bomber. The trick in point 3 will not work with a formation of bombers (or doesn't seem to).
2) Go into setup, offline, and turn off the flag "protect friendly objects" (or something like that). This allows you to bomb your own structures so you don't have to worry about flying to an enemy field and facing ack. Eventually you need to face bombing in ack, but not initially.
3) Take off, level out to gain a little speed, then open the clipboard, open the wind option, and set the vertical wind to 100+. Don't have auto-pilot (level) on at the time or it will try and go nose down to stay level. This will make your bomber climb like a rocket to the altitude you want to practice at. When you get to the proper alt, open the wind settings again and set the vertical wind back to 0. This way you can zoom to altitude quickly and practice.
4) practice with different delays and salvos. it is important to know how a couple of these settings will affect your bomb dropping.
Add all these to the points about calibrating lots of times with the jabo sight on, and all the info in Kwessa's post and you should be able to get pretty good within an evening. The only exception is when you bomb from above the wind level in the MA (14K) which can cause some additional wrinkles because of bomb drift.
-Soda
The Assassins.
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Well, I had a succesful buff mission in MA tonite! I read many of the sites listed above & still was confused. I ound a fellow countrymen & followed him on his buff run. I missed target but familiarized myself with procedure. I tried again & got shot before drop. Then on the 3rd try, also my first solo try I gave myself plenty of friendly area to get to safe 25k. Lined up 1 1/2 sects out. Breezed in smooth & steady, calibrated, dropped, turned for home. Watched as messages rolled on text. Killed a con otw home & landed. It is not as hard as it seems. dont give up.
Thnx to all those who helped!
Anton:D
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I was under the impression that
a) you can calibrate the bombsight by marking any point on land or sea, irrespective of alt, and all other things being equal, it should calibrate correctly providing you click on the target in the clipboard when in calibration mode (to set target alt)
b)the bombsight is sensitive to lateral drift, so will compensate for any crosswind. the difficulty in bombing above the windlayer is to set your course deviation so that you pass over the target; but the bombsight will, if correctly calibrated, always tell you precisely where your eggs will land.
If this is not the case will someone disabuse me of the notions above?
thx
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Originally posted by bounder
b)the bombsight is sensitive to lateral drift, so will compensate for any crosswind. the difficulty in bombing above the windlayer is to set your course deviation so that you pass over the target; but the bombsight will, if correctly calibrated, always tell you precisely where your eggs will land.
If you calibrate your sight correctly, the sight will compensate for any drift you are experiencing. The problem is that unless you have your course adjusted properly so that the drift puts you over your target, the course change you have to make to put the crosshairs on your target will throw off your calibration.
On the other hand, if you know your desired course to your target, you can figure the course adjustment you need to make to compensate for the drift, so your plane's ground track will be the course you want. First, look at the angle between your desired course and the wind, and then look up the angle and wind speed on the chart below to get the crosswind component (the number below the diagonal line) and the component along your line of flight (the number above the diagonal line):
(http://members.cox.net/srmalloy/images/xwind.gif)
Add or subtract the component along your line of flight to your true airspeed (as appropriate, depending on where the wind is coming from), and then cross-index that speed with the crosswind component on this table:
(http://members.cox.net/srmalloy/images/drift.gif)
That gives you the number of degrees that you have to turn into the wind to kill your drift. To verify that you've made the correct course change to kill the drift, when you go into calibration mode, you should not see any lateral motion of the ground in the sight view; iif you still have drift, you'll see the ground moving sideways as well as down toward the bottom of the sight.