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Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: SLO on November 01, 2002, 09:30:42 AM

going thru program to gain my MCSE......just wanted to know if any1 is certified.

might ask a few questions in the near future.


SlowHand
44th DiMMaK

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Swoop on November 01, 2002, 09:52:25 AM

Nah dont bother.  Every sod and his dog has an MCSE these days.  

I'm looking at a CCND next....not cos I'm interested, just to remain employable.

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Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: SKurj on November 01, 2002, 09:55:01 AM

i'll be ccna by summer (if i keep my nose in the books.

As far as MCSE i'll be part way there too by the same time.

Sure hope there's some jobs!


SKurj

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Thrawn on November 01, 2002, 09:59:06 AM

What Swoop said.  If if's costing you anymoney it's just not worth it.

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: LePaul on November 01, 2002, 10:19:05 AM

As one of the guys posted in the private beta microsoft news server a few days ago...

Microsoft
Certified
Solitaire
Expert  

:)

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Swoop on November 01, 2002, 10:20:57 AM

Anyone remember a few years ago when M$ lowered the requirements for a pass?  They raised em again pretty quickly.


Put it this way.....I used to work with an MCSE who once asked me how Windows knows to change the clock for daylight sayings time.  I think employers may also have noticed the falling quality of MCSEs as well......

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Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: LePaul on November 01, 2002, 10:27:32 AM

That and the "A+ Certification"

I've worked in the PC industry for 10 years.  If you want someone that's booksmart work on your stuff...have at.  I'd take someone with realtime experience whose been too busy to leaf through 500 page books anyday.  Do I care the Mhz of the PCI bus?  No.  Do I know your PC isnt booting because the master/slave setting on your CDROM is conflicting with your hard drive's?  Yes.

Certifications are nice, but are just wall decorations.

I've got a friend who rubs his certifications in my face all the time....he gets them because he is a bored manager at a local Radio Shack and thinks he knows it all from what he sees in a book.  I've been inside hundreds of PCs and lots of networks...wanna place bets on who'd fix what faster?  Here's a hint...he still calls me when he's stuck  :p

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: SLO on November 01, 2002, 10:59:04 AM

thx for the positive output guys:confused: .....NOT


what the hey....i'm not payin for it.

and the MCSE is to get some more doors open for me.

up here in quebec(canada)..montreal to be more precise....the big Companies seem to open up more for certified people.

plus i needed more work on my Networking skills.

this is a program called Network Specialist....with the bonus of passing MCSE.

FREE.....:p

SlowHand
44th DiMMaK

p.s. thx anyways for responding folks....BTW hiya skurj:)

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Heater on November 01, 2002, 11:02:52 AM

I have Both  MCSE and CCNA here, one thing to remember, it a Microsoft Test and Think the Microsoft way when you take the test, but in Real world things are a lot different.

Good luck

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: batdog on November 01, 2002, 11:14:45 AM

Paper=money. Dont fool yourself, companies WANT documentation as to how SKILLED thier work force is. Its often a selling point in various industries.

If you can get a school, take it. If nothing else it adds to your resume and might impress some HR dude.

Good luck

xBAT

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: SLO on November 01, 2002, 12:11:18 PM

if i ever do get my MCSE i might go for the CCNA afterwards......we'll see how things go 1st.


thx for the positive response guys :D

SlowHand
44th DiMMaK

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: niknah on November 01, 2002, 12:41:40 PM

agree with lepaul.

no matter what qualifications you have, you still have to do your job, I know some guys who's got various qualifications and at the job they're stressed out cause they don't know what they're doing and end up having to fake it or talk their way out of things.

But msce, etc. is good for the resume, it looks better than say a few months of work experience, and could get you the job.  The important thing again is to be able to do your job, the job interview only lasts a few mins but the job lasts many months/years.

...but then if you were asking if anyone's done it and wouldn't mind giving you the answers to the questions, then no I can't help u sry.  :p

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: SLO on November 01, 2002, 12:51:13 PM

nah dude i wasn't looking for answers per say

just more of what heater said......getting in the mind set MICROSOFT type answers.

SlowHand

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Wlfgng on November 01, 2002, 01:38:54 PM

just like a college degree IMO.

you need it in most larger firms to get the door open.
you'll learn some stuff but when you get to the 'real world' you'll learn how to really apply it in 'real' situations.

The MS version of the world just doesn't exist.
However, it's good knowledge to have.

But I wouldn't pay for the cert either :)

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Krusher on November 01, 2002, 02:02:34 PM

Quote

Originally posted by batdog
Paper=money. Dont fool yourself, companies WANT documentation as to how SKILLED thier work force is. Its often a selling point in various industries.

xBAT

Like Bat said  paper=money... gone are the days when your actual knowledge would get and keep you a job. Now if you dont have the paper to back it up you wont even get a interview.

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Kanth on November 01, 2002, 02:38:16 PM

Yer better off getting a college degree in computer science than getting a cert from one company. Even a two year degree would be better.

 I've lookd at MCSE, I watched their requirements drop, I looked at CCNA, I even looked at Redhat's cert.

college degree is good for life, who knows how long MCSE or CCNA will be around.

Also college degree is understood everywhere no matter what softwares they use, not so for the MCSE or CCNA.

Also, please learn what you are doing, it's extremely frustrating to have to clean up a mess after someone who was supposed to fix it in the first place.

FWIW I have an MCP (from '99) I stopped after the second exam (the networking essentials isn't certified) and I knew then that it was the wrong way to go, only now (that I've reached the non-degreed wage ceiling) have I started studying for college entrance so I can move along again.

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: H. Godwineson on November 01, 2002, 02:40:48 PM

I have an M.s.e.  Or is that an M.S.E.?  I can never remember.

Does that count?

Shuckins

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Wlfgng on November 01, 2002, 02:40:59 PM

It's better to have the degree AND the cert(s).

Start with the degree and add the cert(s) as needed.

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: steely07 on November 01, 2002, 04:49:27 PM

I do agree that people don't respect MCSE's,i too am a hands on 7 year experience guy on PC's and networks,but am studying for the MCSE atm because i'm missing out on a lot of jobs i could do standing on my head,because i don't have it.
 Tho when i get it,i'm not going to tell anyone except potential employers :)

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: Wlfgng on November 01, 2002, 04:52:51 PM

'zactly

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: JB73 on November 01, 2002, 07:05:07 PM

im in the middle of MCSE too....

started 1 1/2 yrs ago and got A+ / Network+ and have 2 MCSE tests done... 70-210 and 70-215 (2000pro and 2000server)
but have been intrrupted for last few months


im not going to finish MCSE instead 1 more test will get me MCSA then i'm going to get CCNA then go for Linux

the reason is XP is allready being rolled out in workplaces and 2000 MCSE will be outdated in 1-2 yrs


The schooling has taught me alot.. but i still dont know alot LOL

the 1 problem is all my friends and family call me at all hours of the day and night with PC questions. :(

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: bizket on November 02, 2002, 12:16:16 AM

JB73, are you going to Tech Skills in Brookfield?????

Title: M.c.s.e.
Post by: JB73 on November 02, 2002, 01:10:51 AM

yep ... u here in milwaukee???????



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