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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKDejaVu on November 03, 2002, 02:15:33 AM
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The Spit IX and Dora slip a rung.
Tour 33 (http://www.dbstaines.com/TourStats/Tour33/Tour33.htm)
Enjoy
AKDejaVu
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WTG P-47D-11 pilots. Nice work in that anvil masquarading as a kite.
I'm sorry to see a fighter climb above 10%, it seems the P-51D has broken a barrier that had been eliminated for awhile.
Still, the plane whiners will only mention the Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2-J and La-7. The P-51D seems to have a "get out of jail free" card in this regards. I wonder why?
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and of the top 4... only the pony has failed to break a 1:1 K/D, and the other 3 are barely over it...
dunno why people whine about them at all....
oh yeah... because that's all they ever "see"
actually... looking at the stats only 1 of every 3 you see (or kills you) will be one of those 4.
i guess the pony and spit got useage bumps due to the influx of new players.... which would also account for the pony's less than par k/d.
considering how much ord the pony carries, i dunno why more people don't whine about it because it is used in the jabo role a lot - leading to deaths as well.
perhaps it's because the la7 is pretty much a pure dogfighter, as are the spit and niki's that people detest them so much.
well, duh. now if only people would actually use them as such.
:D
i don't know why the dora drivers would whine so much since none of those 3 bad monkeys are capable of taking them on in the alts and role the doras *should* operate at. maybe because they're capable of spoiling the dora's vulching/cherrypicking :rolleyes: runs.
why don't more people whine about perking the ostwind? i really think it should be lightly perked. i know we're getting a tiger, all the more reason to perk the ostwind as well.
looking at innomin8's stat page, the osty had even more kills than the pony did. 39,200 to 38,050 ( i beleive that pages looks at total kills, not just "fighter" kills, which would explain the discrepancy with deja's stats. i'm too lazy to work it out, but how big a % of kills by gv's are osty's? a bit higher than the 20% that got the chog perked, i bet. plus osty's can level an entire town easily, even tear up an airfield.
http://www.innomi.com/planes.php
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WOW WTG P47-D11 190D9 and 190A5 drivers.
Thx for stats Deja.
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Ya it is most certainly new playes uping P51's because they think their the best ride.
Perking the osty is imo a BAD idea, unless somthing to replace it comes along. Most all the kills I get in the osty are from people doing stupid things like flying directly at it. the ones who kill me set me up or simply drop a bomb. Also Osty's are used for base defense all the time which helps to bolster their kills. The M16 is almost intierly inaducate for defense, they pop like Zits at the least preshure from anything. perking even at very cheap levals can have a drastict impact on usage much more so than one might expect. the end result in this would be very bad for the GV aspect of AH, the only Vehical I half to work to kill is the Osty all others I have no fear of they are easy meat, heck I even went osty killing the other day in an A6M2 did prety good all evening to, short bust of 20mm from the top poped the gun every time. The tiger will have much heaver armor all around so the AP value of the Osty aganst it will more like be of little issue, also we know not what HTC has planed for the next release as far as the Armor model for GV's one would think they would be adreasing this what with the Tiger coming.
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even with the new players we have seen over the past tour the p51d is still the most shot down a/c in aces high.
So I guess that proves that not all of umm run........or maybe they just dont get away.....:)
Anyway the 51 is used a lot more in the attack role, like the 38. So it losses will be higher. Look at the 190f8. Its still a good 190 in the a2a roll but its used mostly in an attack roll. It also doesnt have the guns that can strafe a gv and a kill as easy as the 51, 38, typh etc. It needs to get in closer. Once its ord is gone its an ineffective attack plane. Look at the hurri IId with its 40mm. One would expect it to rack up gv kills. But the range and a lethality that a hispano and 50 cal planes can hit and kill gvs makes them the best at killing gvs.
Also most gvs we face are ostwinds. When attacking these nothing matches the range and lethality of 50 cals and hispanos.
Even the il2 suffers from this. It needs to get in closer exposing it to a longer time in the osties sites.
Theres no need for specialized attack ac is ah.
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Wow, the p40B has a whopping 175 kills. :D
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The Spit IX and Dora slip a rung.
Tour 33 (http://www.users.qwest.net/~stainesdavidwbon/webs/Tour33/Tour33.htm)
Enjoy
AKDejaVu
LOL i had 10% of the kills for F4U-1 lol and 2% of deaths lol
279/22 in the tour
whels
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very nice whels your stats out matched that of our entire squad haha :-P
VMF-222 "Flying Dueces":
Total Kills in f4u-1 : 255
Total Deaths in f4u-1: 100
Arena:
Kills: 2675
Deaths: 2302
9% of Total Kills
4% of Total Deaths
Our Top Pilot in the F4u-1 was our XO Acid:
Kills: 111 (43% of squads kills, and 4% of Arena)
Deaths: 17 (17% of squad deaths, and <1% of Arena Deaths)
Whels I think your death % for total arena deaths is to high :-P
All this Tour was fun..!
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Watch out for the deadly C47 A with a whopping 671 kills!
Goon-O-Death
Not to mention the 2832 kills by the dreaded Chute. See it does pay to have that sidearm...
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I'd love to see a Kills per Sortie statistic and just a plain # of Sorties statistic. I'm guessing that's not possible though.
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Originally posted by Puke
I'd love to see a Kills per Sortie statistic and just a plain # of Sorties statistic. I'm guessing that's not possible though.
Not untill someone at HTC adds a sortie counter for the planes.
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looking at innomin8's stat page, the osty had even more kills than the pony did. 39,200 to 38,050 ( i beleive that pages looks at total kills, not just "fighter" kills, which would explain the discrepancy with deja's stats. i'm too lazy to work it out, but how big a % of kills by gv's are osty's? a bit higher than the 20% that got the chog perked, i bet. plus osty's can level an entire town easily, even tear up an airfield.
Shane... the Flakpansie had 39,200 kills last tour. More than any other unit. More than double the next closest ground vehicle, which was the Panzer (with 17,475 kills). More than HALF (i.e. 50%) of all GV kills were by the Flakpansie.
But again, the Flakpansie will never be perked, because it is a means for unskilled players to have 'fun'. Aces High has a lot of subscribers. Using common sense it is obvious that some of them will suck in the 'primary' draw of the game, so HT has provided some other ways for them to have 'fun' so they don't leave the game. I just think it is sort of a shame that the Flakpansie has such a large impact on the game when it requires well, to be blunt, no talent or skill at all to use. Rather like bombers used to be.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The Spit IX and Dora slip a rung.
AKDejaVu
That's because I started flying Doras :(
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Whels had 113 kills and 18 deaths in the 190F8, which euates to 13% of total kills for it :) And this tour have half the kills in the 152 :) Oh and 7 of the 12 total kills for the boston :D
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it requires well, to be blunt, no talent or skill at all to use
Well I fill that bill to a tee, how come the few times I've tried it, I can't kill squat ??
But it doesn't have wings so fogitabotit. Don't fly over them...works for me :D
I'm for perking the load out on F4U-1D's. Make it high so they quit hangin stuff underneath it.
This jabo facination with big blue is hurtin it's score.
Next time, take a tiffy, leave big blue for the men with tattoo's and hangovers..
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Originally posted by Karnak
Still, the plane whiners will only mention the Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2-J and La-7. The P-51D seems to have a "get out of jail free" card in this regards. I wonder why?
Because it doesn't have canons, you don't die from 2-3 pings from a lucky HO/snap shot.
The plane still is a killer, I think I have like 31 kill for 1 death in it, speed being the key to survival if you "furball with moderation". P51 is a pleasure to fly... feels smooth, and you still need a minimum of aiming/long burst on target, meaning work on placing yourself.
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Yes Frenchy but remember that apparent disadvatage it has about firing for a long time cancels itself with that you can start firing at extreme ranges pull lead and hit and by the time you're D300 the target is dead or dying.
The Pony doesn't break the 1 K/D mainly, like it has been said , between the newbies and the Attackers it gets fairly easily shot down,while the Dora is a pure fighter in AH,not only that but many of the pilots that fly the Dora are not incompetent, Each time I saw Frenchy , Mandoble, and myself included racked up 5+ victories each sortie I ended up last tour with 163 Kills to 12 deaths in Mein Gute horny Frau :D but she's still squeakie if you mishandle her after all it is a 190 ;)
EDIT: Oh forgot to mention the Pony was the most killed plane by me last tour :D :p
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Originally posted by Innominate
Wow, the p40B has a whopping 175 kills. :D
That will change somewhat this tour. I'm flying it (P-40B/Tomahawk) as my main fighter ride, with the P-40E as my attack bird and SBD as my bomber. Also using F4F-4 for carrier duty. Essentially, I'll be flying only U.S. aircraft in service at the time of Pearl Harbor (SBD-5 is close enough to -3). Between them, I'm 34/3. Of those 3, I lost one to ground fire and another to a collision.
People don't fly these aircraft because they think them hopelessly outclassed for the MA. I intend to establish otherwise.
My regards,
Widewing
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99 kills, 33 deaths in P47d-11 for tour 33. Great plane.
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Originally posted by Widewing
People don't fly these aircraft because they think them hopelessly outclassed for the MA. I intend to establish otherwise.
hehe, they are decent planes,
Just pointing out that the ENY on both p40s is way too low.
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Originally posted by Innominate
hehe, they are decent planes,
Just pointing out that the ENY on both p40s is way too low.
You are absolutely right on that. Yet, the P-40s, like the SBD, are generally not taken very seriously by many in the MA, and that will cost them. Last evening, I spotted some guy in a P-40E flying around at 2k very near a highly active Rook field. Needless to say, a crowd descended upon him in short order.
Relatively slow flying aircraft absolutely require plenty of altitude to be effective in an enviornment loaded down with fast, late-war fighters.
Yesterday, I flew a sortie to a field where there was a constant fight going on below 10k. I came in at 15k, used the P-40's excellent dive and zoom capability to beat the hell out of a bunch of higher performing fighters, none of those whacked were flown by noobs. Taking the time to grab enough altitude is important to being successful in the P-40s.
However, get a P-40 low and slow and things can get very hectic, very quickly. While the P-40s have good low speed handling (especially the P-40B), they have nowhere near the agility of the SBD, making them even more vulnerable if caught on the deck.
One drawback of the SBD is low lethality in snapshots. Of course, the P-40B is not much of snapshooter either. It does have a huge ammo loadout though. In contrast, The P-40E has very good guns, but limited ammo.
ENY values should be 50 for the P-40B and 40 for the P-40E, making them somewhat more attractive to fly to those wanting to generate some perk points.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The Spit IX and Dora slip a rung.
Tour 33 (http://www.users.qwest.net/~stainesdavidwbon/webs/Tour33/Tour33.htm)
Enjoy
AKDejaVu
These pages never open up for me, All I get is a blank page with "!!!!!!" on the first line. (IE6 latest patches and all that)
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Well Widewing, I had a whopping 2 kills in the p40b...and 0 deaths in it for tour 33.
I enjoy flying it as a switch from my normal p51b. I may join you this tour in flying it as my main ride....and you are absolutely right...get low in the p40...and you'd better hope it is because you're landing ;).
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Originally posted by Turbot
These pages never open up for me, All I get is a blank page with "!!!!!!" on the first line. (IE6 latest patches and all that)
The main link doesn't open at all? About 5 of the individual pages aren't working right now, but the FighterVsFighter page should be.
If it doesn't.. then maybe you have activeX disabled?
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Widewing
deck.
One drawback of the SBD is low lethality in snapshots. Of course, the P-40B is not much of snapshooter either. It does have a huge ammo loadout though. In contrast, The P-40E has very good guns, but limited ammo.
Widewing
im flying P40s also this tour as my main fighter. so far i get the feeling the P40E's 6 50cals are the weakest of the 6 50cal planes.
they are defenantly weaker then the 4 50s in the FM2. all plane 50s suppose to be same but some kill alot better then others.
whels
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The main link doesn't open at all? About 5 of the individual pages aren't working right now, but the FighterVsFighter page should be.
If it doesn't.. then maybe you have activeX disabled?
AKDejaVu
It opens on my laptop - and now that you mention it I think I do have that turned off for this website on this machine. (just checked - yeah I do). Thanks.
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Originally posted by Shane
why don't more people whine about perking the ostwind? i really think it should be lightly perked. i know we're getting a tiger, all the more reason to perk the ostwind as well.
Only two aircraft had a positive kill/death vs. ostwind. The Tempest (31 Ost Kills vs 24 Tempest Deaths) and the 262 (11 Ost kills vs 10 262 deaths)
All the other airplanes the Ostwind killed more than the Ostwind died. I don't know about you guys, but maybe this camp I gonna get smarter and just stay the hell away from Ostwinds all together.
Probably not ;) I sort of broke even with the ostwinders this last camp - turbot has 25 kills and has been killed 24 times against the Ostwind. But I was trying to steer clear of em then too, but boy it's tempting to go after em :)
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Originally posted by whels
im flying P40s also this tour as my main fighter. so far i get the feeling the P40E's 6 50cals are the weakest of the 6 50cal planes.
they are defenantly weaker then the 4 50s in the FM2. all plane 50s suppose to be same but some kill alot better then others.
whels
Maybe it is the placement of the guns? Are they closer together on the FM2? That'd mean more hits closer together, and most of the planes in AH aren't exactly tough, so that may be enough to kill em.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Still, the plane whiners will only mention the Spitfire Mk IX, N1K2-J and La-7. The P-51D seems to have a "get out of jail free" card in this regards. I wonder why?
Because they don't want to lose their best attack plane.
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The P-51D is a POS for attack. Several fighters carry more ordnance and it's also horribly vulnerable to ground fire.
This matches well with the airplane's historical reputation....more P-51's were lost to enemy ground fire than to enemy aircraft!
J_A_B
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it still carries more the any german/italian/russian/ and maybe british plane.
Plus those 50 cals rip gvs at longer ranges then any other plane. Its faster then both the p38 and p47 and doesnt compress.
I guess your idea of a POS is different then mine. About the only attack plane that would be as good as it would be the dhog. Maybe the f6f.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Maybe it is the placement of the guns? Are they closer together on the FM2? That'd mean more hits closer together, and most of the planes in AH aren't exactly tough, so that may be enough to kill em.
99% of time im shooting/hitting at convergance or closer, so gun placement shouldnt reduce leath by much if at all.
if i had to rank the 50cal planes in leath order High to low this would be it.
#1 F6F
2 FM2
3 F4U-1
4 P47s
5 P51 D
6 F4U-1d
7 F4U-4
8 P38 (after cannon gone)
9 p51B
10 F4F
11 P40E (6 50s)
i set convergances the same for all 50 cal planes( 400 all guns)
whels
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Well i did my part in the Dora :D
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Heh Wotan, the Mustang is good at hitting its targets, but not so good at surviving. I guess that makes it the ideal platform for suicide divebombers :)
I'd rate the F4U-1D, P-47D-30 and Me-110 as the best A2G fighters in AH in terms of hitting power and survivability to ground fire.
J_A_B
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I'd go with P-38, 110G2, and P-47D-30 in that order.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I'd rate the F4U-1D, P-47D-30 and Me-110 as the best A2G fighters in AH in terms of hitting power and survivability to ground fire.
J_A_B
Yeah, forget about the lowly F6F-6, she can't take more than 3 or 4 base AAA hits ;)
IMO, the Hellcat is ONE of the best light attack a/c we have. The pilot can't rely on it's blazing speed so your attacks have to be well planed...but she sure can soak up some lead then get you home.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Yeah, forget about the lowly F6F-6, she can't take more than 3 or 4 base AAA hits ;)
IMO, the Hellcat is ONE of the best light attack a/c we have. The pilot can't rely on it's blazing speed so your attacks have to be well planed...but she sure can soak up some lead then get you home.
I completely agree. The F6F-5 is at the top of my list too. Also, you can get one off of a carrier, heavy, with relative ease compared to the F4U.
If HTC had modeled the 8 HVAR rocket load-out for the SBD-5, it would be a pretty good Jabo as well, being extremely agile if rather slow.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
If HTC had modeled the 8 HVAR rocket load-out for the SBD-5, it would be a pretty good Jabo as well, being extremely agile if rather slow.
My regards,
Widewing
what is it with you and your hardon for the SBD? against anyone with a clue, it's dead meat.
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
what is it with you and your hardon for the SBD? against anyone with a clue, it's dead meat.
:D
That's easy to explain. I flew the La-7 and La-5FN for several sorties last tour and ran up a combined 9.5/1 K/D without hardly an effort. Where's the challenge to that? These Lavochkins are exceptional fighters, with the La-7 probably the best pure fighter in the game. Likewise I flew a one or more sorties in the Tempest, F4U-4 and Spitfire XIV. I'm simply bored flying the "hot ships", and resort to them only when grossly out-numbered.
Wel, we're still out-numbered, but I am just a s bored with the late-war fighters. So, I fly the SBD because it requires great care to be successful. That's a challenge. Likewise, I'm limiting myself to the P-40s and F4F-4 this tour, except on squad nights where the C.O. picks the aircraft or it is predetermined (I have already selected the monthly squad planes for 2003). This is done so squad members gain experience in all types. I have experience in all types, so I'm doing my pre-Pearl Harbor tour flying only aircraft in service prior to 12/7/41.
I don't expect to carry a very good K/D, nor will I likely make the top 100 in score. So what? I've already done that. To avoid losing interest in the game, I need to do something to add some difficulty. Flying early-war aircraft in the MA is one way to do that.
If all I can manage is a 3-4/1 KD, so be it. At least it'll be fun.
As far as flying these old clunkers, the Pizza map is a miserable place. Three times I flew more than a sector only to find the fight had evaporated. That's a long haul in a P-40B, and it murders your K/T and K/S. The opposite extreme exists too. Several of us fought off a gangbang mob, I got several kills with the SBD, but got vulched after landing, out of gas. What the heck, those guys couldn't touch the SBD in the air, so they nailed it when they could. Lame? Maybe, but I'd do the same thing under the circumstances.
Shane, you're are an exceptional stick. Fly the SBD or even P-40B for a while, it will make you even better. :D If you can excel in these, you are one bad man..... Some day, an AH player in a late-war fighter will look up and see an SBD and say to himself, "aw crap, there's that maniac Shane again!" :eek:
My regards,
Widewing
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no doubt the p40 and sbd can be fun rides and surprise those who engage without thinking.
just that we all know of your passion for the sbd - just that it's almost as if the sbd is stalking all your posts.
go play with the il-2.
;)
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Get in a 38 and furball. Its like a painful experience but... at least I'm back in my "ride". Hopefully I'll get better as of right now I cant hit sh*& and I'm dieing alot... nothing new there I quess.
xBAT