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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kappa on November 04, 2002, 06:13:33 PM
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Please O pretty PLEASE HTC make the pizza map go AWAY. I for one am not going to fly this map. The color sucks, the size sucks, the color sucks, altitude of the bases suck, the color sucks, and O ya, did I mention the color sucks? For every 1 person that likes it, I see at least 5 that dont. Is Aces High able to function without this map?
grounded,
kappa
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<--Been "boycotting" Pizza for weeks, get with the prgram Kappa. :cool:
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
<--Been "boycotting" Pizza for weeks, get with the prgram Kappa. :cool:
well til then, why don't you guys go to the CT?
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I guess if there was "one" thing I didn't care for on the Pizza map it would be the overall height of the terrain. Other than that one niggling aspect I find it to be a pretty cool peice.
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Originally posted by kappa
Please O pretty PLEASE HTC make the pizza map go AWAY. I for one am not going to fly this map. The color sucks, the size sucks, the color sucks, altitude of the bases suck, the color sucks, and O ya, did I mention the color sucks? For every 1 person that likes it, I see at least 5 that dont. Is Aces High able to function without this map?
grounded,
kappa
We'll miss ya bud
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it really hurts my eyes.
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Learn to spell colour.
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Pizza map is my favorate map, all the rest suck by comparison.
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Wow.. looks like a 400 players to 5 boycotters vote so far.
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Most people are just playing it, rather than whining about it.
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Pizza makes me have Diarrhea!!! Its evident im not the only one, just take a look at the ground... I too wish more ppl would fly in the CT, but numbers will always attract ppl for the most part.
Mirge
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Whats Hitech care if ur boycotting it, he's still getting ur money stupid:D
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Learn to spell colour.
there are two ways to spell color.
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I've been boycotting mindano for months now .
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
it really hurts my eyes.
Go to the doctor, something is wrong with your eyes if shades of brown cause you pain .
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I dont boycott it per se but I certainly dont play nearly as much when its loaded........
Its flat rate anyway. Need to boycott AH if yer gonna really make a statement. I spose half a dozen or so probably already have ;)
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my monitor isnt that great and the color does a number on my eyes as well.
i dont mind how big or anything, i just wish it was green.
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The light brown is much brighter than the greens of the other terrains. It hurts a lot of people's eyes, particularly those who play in darker rooms, have naturally sensative eyes, or play with a relatively low refresh rate. I imagine snow-covered terrains would have the same problem.
Personally the change of scenery was one of the few things I liked about AKDESERT, but IMO people's comfort is more important than what a terrain looks like.
Perhaps AKDESERT could be rebuilt into something less painful? Darker shades of brown might work fairly well.
J_A_B
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I've stayed away from Pizza since it's creation since the colours really disagree with my eyes, can't see a thing against it. Let alone layout,size etc.
...-Gixer
The Horse Soldiers
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We certainly do need more MA terrains all of them that we have now with the exception of akdesert are just too small .
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"We certainly do need more MA terrains all of them that we have now with the exception of akdesert are just too small ."
Depends on what time of the day.
Even Mindanao is plenty large when there's 250 or less online (which is about half the time or more).
People who play at peak hours are playing a vastly different game than those who fly at off-peak hours.
J_A_B
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Even with less than 100 players on Mindano is too crowded . At 4am you have about 80 players in 3-5 grid squares, which is the entire front in mindano .
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Well it is a little deep dish but I like it a lot..
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"Even with less than 100 players on Mindano is too crowded "
5 AH grids is over 3000 square miles. Not enough for 100 people? FYI that is larger than 2 U.S. States.
5 x 5 AH squares was also the size of the average arena in the last flightsim I played, and almost nobody thought those arenas were too crowded at up to 150 players (superior arena design comes into play :) )
The 512 x 512 maps are bigger than 48 of 50 states and is larger than the land area of one of the remaining two. It is roughly the size of the 12 smallest states COMBINED. Doesn't that seem awfully big for the numbers we have in AH?
You're entitled to your opinon and all, though I wonder how you came to that opinion.
J_A_B
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If 20 players in a grid square isn't crowded to you then we have very different ideas of what crowded is . Having a long red bar in every grid squard on the border of your country (80 players in mindanao) is too crowded .
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"Crowd" being a very relative term :)
Still, the difference in our opinion is yet more reason to support the idea that AH should have more than a single MA.....with more than one arena they could cater to different types of gameplay :)
J_A_B
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The good thing with the size of akdesert is you have the option not to furball, or not to take your bomber formation through a red curtain . The red curtain is probably some of the reason why getaway planes are so prevailent now, and why suicide jabos have replaced bombers .
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I wasn't an AK when the map was made, but in defense of my fellow squadmates, I'll echo their words on this topic: Have many of you who are squeaking about it have made your own map for MA use? You all have access to the same tools, if you really dislike it so much, make a better one. Is AKDESERT perfect? No, of course it isn't. Has anyone else worked with HTC to make a 512x512 map that might be better? As far as I know, not yet.
Kappa, maybe this is something you can do during all the free time you'll have while AKDESERT is up in the rotation?
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It's an excellent terrain - I love it! :D I just wish it would last a bit longer as it seems every time it comes around it is reset within a day, while others like the 'uterus' lasted several days this time around.
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Keep pizzia........
get rid of all others:D
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Yea..dont KNOW why but it IS hard on the eyes. I have a hard time seeing the plane in my sights for the terrian. NOW..that said I think the concept is great. I like the terrian type...I do have fun there. Its just the damn color for whatever reason. Maybe I need a NEW monitor as mine's like 6yrs old or something.
xBAT
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Yeah I wonder why they made the terrain the same color as the panzer. Goofy bastards, what were they thinking .
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Muhahaha Samm...lol. Its not just the "brown" colored targets...its the grey,green etc. The seem to "bleed" into the surronding AO for whatever reason. Like I said...I wonder if its a monitor quality issue more than anything.
xBAT
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Learn to spell colour.
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The right way....
Originally posted by JoeDirt
there are two ways to spell color.
and the Wrong way :)
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ahh... samm is a fluffer and doesn't want to run into anyone while milkrunning... that explains it. Couldn't figure out how anyone thought things were too crowded.
I don't like the pizza map and I don't like night time in AH. I usualy try both for a bit in case something good is happening... Last night I lokeed around at the map and seen the idle watermelon chat and no kill messages for about 3 minutes and logged.
Numbers are down for nite and pizza but not enough probly to make HTC fear loss of customer base. I don't think that a new guy trying out AH will be to attracted tho is he starts on pizza map during anything but prime time. I think most want a little excitement.
less than ten kills per hour is too sparsley populated.
lazs
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I logged on last night when there were only about 50 other Rooks on-line. That's pretty sparse for a map that size. Aside from its size, the main problem with the map, in my opinion, is that it lacks many (any?) features that tend to generate defined fronts or concentrated action.
I have limited time to fly, and I like to know that when I take off I will run across a number of enemy planes before I run out of fuel. On some days, I have no problems finding fights. On others, like last night, I mostly fly around and look at the terrain. (I didn't really mind the terrain when the map was first released, but the color and texture are really starting to grate now.) It seems to be hit or miss, although it seems worse when flying Rook (who are almost always badly outnumbered when I fly) than the other two teams. After a really miserable experience last night, I think I may fly in the CT or IL-2 next time I log in and see the map.
Having said that, I think that the map has a lot of interesting features, like the canyons and variable altitude. I also think that larger maps are generally good, but you know what they say about too much of a good thing! I think that maps about twice the size of the smaller maps would better suit the size of the player base.
I think the AK map definitely represents progress in the general direction that AH needs to go. But like all first steps, it needs refinement.
- JNOV
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I'd rather fly the Pizza than the womb/heart shaped POS that shows up every now and then.
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Originally posted by kappa
Please O pretty PLEASE HTC make the pizza map go AWAY. I for one am not going to fly this map. The color sucks, the size sucks, the color sucks, altitude of the bases suck, the color sucks, and O ya, did I mention the color sucks? For every 1 person that likes it, I see at least 5 that dont. Is Aces High able to function without this map?
grounded,
kappa
I don't mind it - a map is a map. Planes are all the same.
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Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
I logged on last night when there were only about 50 other Rooks on-line. That's pretty sparse for a map that size. Aside from its size, the main problem with the map, in my opinion, is that it lacks many (any?) features that tend to generate defined fronts or concentrated action.
I have limited time to fly, and I like to know that when I take off I will run across a number of enemy planes before I run out of fuel. On some days, I have no problems finding fights. On others, like last night, I mostly fly around and look at the terrain. (I didn't really mind the terrain when the map was first released, but the color and texture are really starting to grate now.) It seems to be hit or miss, although it seems worse when flying Rook (who are almost always badly outnumbered when I fly) than the other two teams. After a really miserable experience last night, I think I may fly in the CT or IL-2 next time I log in and see the map.
Having said that, I think that the map has a lot of interesting features, like the canyons and variable altitude. I also think that larger maps are generally good, but you know what they say about too much of a good thing! I think that maps about twice the size of the smaller maps would better suit the size of the player base.
I think the AK map definitely represents progress in the general direction that AH needs to go. But like all first steps, it needs refinement.
- JNOV
I don't understand. On one hand I get the message you were outnumbered. But then on the other you say you could not find a fight. This doesn't make sense.
edit: Maybe you don't understand how the clipboard map works? (it is moveable with mouse and zoomable with "Insert/Delete keys) I was landing multi kill sorties without having to fly far - sometimes not even leaving the base. I was only limited by my ammo and my aim. You were just obviously in the wrong place is all i can figure.
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Boycott Kappa!..The dweeb keeps shooting me down.
:D
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Turbot:
I do know how to use the clipboard. I agree it that it seems counter-intuitive that being on the out-numbered team I couldn't find fights (this is definitely not the case on the smaller maps, as it seems that many of the Rook fields are often CAP'd). I think that what sometimes happens is that most of the action is taking place between the other two teams that have 3 times as many pilots as the Rooks. Perhaps this is due to the inherent lack of focus in the map--i.e., I think that many people are just trying to find fights rather than take bases, so they tend to congrate where the highest concentration of planes are. Of course, some are trying to take bases, but that doesn't require nearly as much concentrated action as on the other maps.
In fairness, I did find a couple of fights (and got shot down too often -- maybe that's part of the reson it left a bad taste in my mouth), but it took an inordinate amount of time to find those fights. Using the clipboard and turning off all of the icons so that I could see the radar bars, there were rarely sectors within range of our bases that had more one or two enemy fighters. I took off and headed in those directions, and when I arrived in the enemy sector, maybe I would find the enemy and maybe I wouldn't. Perhaps that is "historical," but, to me, it's not a whole lot of fun.
Also, recall that I did say that it has been, for me, "hit or miss." On some occassions, I have had very good luck on the AK map finding sustained action. In particular, when the map first came out, I recall a number of very entertaining sustained assaults on coastal bases. (To the extent the map has features that naturally generate sustained fronts, I guess they're the coastlines.) I'm sure that if I had time to stay on-line for four or five hours at a time, things would get better with the ebb and flow of base captures, even on the "miss" days. I typically do not have that kind of time, however. I can't recall a time when I logged on to one of the smaller maps, even with time for just one or two sorties, when I couldn't find enough fights to empty my guns on half or three-quarters of a tank of fuel.
- JNOV
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It's cool if you fly the .205 low. :D Otherwise it is a "little" bright colored. On the other hand I think the canyons are THE best part of any of the AH maps.
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Best Damn Map in AH is Pizza.
Anything to avoid the narrow battle front furballing of the others.
Please give us more large maps!
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Wow.. looks like a 400 players to 5 boycotters vote so far.
And one pointless post in the midst of 41 total replies. Deja - you never cease to amaze me with the worthless toejam you actually make the effort to type out. Say hi to your dog for me.
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Problems with the pizza:
- colour is offensive to many players
- 12k fields? yeah right
- each country starts of with 6 fronts
- early war a/c suffer because of excessive alts (ground level is usually 4k)
- limited waterways for CVs
- buffing is difficult as some strategic fields/targets are at excessive alts (10k+) so the buff has to climb to 20k min to clear ack
- spawn points are close enough to allow continuous vehicle milkruns
Most people just logon to pizza now and milkrun the crap out of it to try and reset it faster. I've been on whens theres been 300 people on and easily milkrunned some key fields. Its a damn joke.
Fair enough AKs put some work in on it. But HTC doesn't pay the player base to develop maps, thats HTCs job. And people aren't screaming fora new 'ubermap', they just want to dump this abomination.
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i like the pizza map the terrain is cool cause it has different eleveations and i like the size and the amount of bases, so you dont have to reset every time one base is captured
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Ya I hate the pizza map too. Actually it looks more like the flux capacitor.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Problems with the pizza:
- spawn points are close enough to allow continuous vehicle milkruns
and close enough to spawn hundreds up on hundreds of troops at the town to capture through pure saturation.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Problems with the pizza:
- spawn points are close enough to allow continuous vehicle milkruns
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and close enough to spawn hundreds up on hundreds of troops at the town to capture through pure saturation.
This is a legitimate (non-whine) design problem. Some of the vehicle spawns are wrongly placed. I don't know what effort (if any) is being directed towards it.
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The light brown is much brighter than the greens of the other terrains. It hurts a lot of people's eyes, particularly those who play in darker rooms, have naturally sensative eyes, or play with a relatively low refresh rate. I imagine snow-covered terrains would have the same problem.
yet another good reason NOT to smoke pot...makes the eyes too sensitive to light...not that I know anything about that...
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
yet another good reason NOT to smoke pot...makes the eyes too sensitive to light...not that I know anything about that...
To me it's more of an 'my eyes aren't those of a 19 year olds anymore'.
Seriously, the colors are too contrasty for the comfort of these almost 60 year old eyes. It's like looking at a screen with dark green and light tan checks...very straining to the eyes.
A bit of herb takes the edge off it a bit but that shouldn't be the solution to the problem IMO.
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Originally posted by lazs2
ahh... samm is a fluffer and doesn't want to run into anyone while milkrunning... that explains it. Couldn't figure out how anyone thought things were too crowded.
I'll leave the fluffing to your mom dickhead, not everyone is content to be an opportunist in a getaway plane . If I was also too stupid to figure out how to use a bombsight I might have had less than 13 bomber sorties last tour . Of course then I'd probably have resentment towards players who choose to fly bombers too .
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Paint it green, and add clounds. (I love clouds).
I have 9 kills and 0 deaths in Pizza so far.
Flying a Spitfire Mark ONE. (Float Carbi and all!)
My combat alts range from 4000 - 15000.
ANY early war aircraft is capable of combat through to 20000 feet.
Most can struggle up to 25000 feet.
The statement that Pizza airfield are too high for early war aircraft is incorrect. I have shot down 2 P51 Mustang with my Spit 1 so far.
If it wasnt for Pizza, I would still be afraid of 'uber' LA7s. Get them above 5000 feet and they are Gustav fodder.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The light brown is much brighter than the greens of the other terrains. It hurts a lot of people's eyes, particularly those who play in darker rooms, have naturally sensative eyes, or play with a relatively low refresh rate. I imagine snow-covered terrains would have the same problem.
Personally the change of scenery was one of the few things I liked about AKDESERT, but IMO people's comfort is more important than what a terrain looks like.
Perhaps AKDESERT could be rebuilt into something less painful? Darker shades of brown might work fairly well.
J_A_B
I didn't know we had interior decorators playing AH?
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I lovem the pizza map, and when I logged in last when it was loaded, there were 500+ online enjoying it as well. Obviously they were enjoying it, of they would no have been there, right?
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Originally posted by -ammo-
IObviously they were enjoying it, of they would no have been there, right?
do addicts love the drying out til their next fix?
:confused:
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Though I'd like to see a bit more green ground, I love the pizza map.
shamus
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-i dont mind the altitude of the bases though they could place the high alt bases better
-the size could be cut by 10-25%
-the textures are ugly compared to pretty much every other map including CT and SEA maps ive seen
i think ill make a pacific map similar to midway map just for fun.
btw AK guy who made the pizza how did you go about submitting it and getting approval from HTC? we definately need more maps in the MA IMO or we could split into 2 MA's 1 euro that would feature pizza style maps with those colors in mind and not a whole lot of water, and 1 pacific style MA with the opposite. it would cater to which ever style of player you are.... just some ideas that will never be acted upon.
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Mirge, I didn't make the map... but if you want to get one started, get it approved, and get it in the game... you have to start talking to HiTech before you even begin with the terrain editor.
Tell him your ideas, he'll tell you what he thinks with his ideas... then work from there.
Email him or call him, the numbers are on the HTC home page... http://www.hitechcreations.com/about.html
BTW, for all of those complaining about the colors hurting your eyes... are you playing in a dark room? That alone will ruin your eyes... regardless of the colors on your screen... turn on dem lights!
-SW
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
And one pointless post in the midst of 41 total replies. Deja - you never cease to amaze me with the worthless toejam you actually make the effort to type out. Say hi to your dog for me.
What an ass. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AKIron
What an ass. :rolleyes:
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
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So, we agree that you're an ass? Easy to be an bellybutton when you're relatively anonymous, are you the same in real life? I suspect you are.
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Stop googling my sweet buns of steel .
Or I'll I have the powers that be audit your PC for porn .
I had no idea photophobia was so common among PC gamers .
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hehe I remember when ICI added the engine cowls into the gunsights. WHOA MOMMA! :rolleyes: I was pissed as were many. I remember we tried to organize a strike hehe. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AKIron
So, we agree that you're an ass? Easy to be an bellybutton when you're relatively anonymous, are you the same in real life? I suspect you are.
Um - what I think you are trying to say is that you dont recognize my name, correct? If so, you will take note of my signiture. Regardless, if you are the Iron I remember, you havent been here long enough to understand my frustration anyway so the point is moot.
In any event - my attempts to find DejaVu in the game have gone without success. As such, I offer my apolgy to him here. You have a real tendency to get under my skin with some of the crap you post and your insulting remarks directed at others on this BBS, but I was out of line with what I said, and I regret it. I am sorry.
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Kappa is hot
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If you want to understand the true pain that is the pizza map, log on during Australian evenings when there are 60 people online. Everyone has 3 or 4 bases to themselves!
During peak hour though, I quite like it.
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Pizza map is not good during the evening hours in the Far East (ie Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand) because you end up just taking bases (with no defense) and it feels no better than an offline game or some other computer game where you just fight the computer.
I wish something could be done about the colors though...
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Um - what I think you are trying to say is that you dont recognize my name, correct? If so, you will take note of my signiture. Regardless, if you are the Iron I remember, you havent been here long enough to understand my frustration anyway so the point is moot.
In any event - my attempts to find DejaVu in the game have gone without success. As such, I offer my apolgy to him here. You have a real tendency to get under my skin with some of the crap you post and your insulting remarks directed at others on this BBS, but I was out of line with what I said, and I regret it. I am sorry.
Well, I've been here since beta and did the early FC as well. As a wingwalker there however. Anyhow, I am ignorant of the history between you and Dejavu. Just thought that was a low blow about his pet. And I see you're man enough to admit it.
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boycott!
Get me Gunniess!
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I think most will agree the textures are too harsh - even the guy who created the textures.
In retrospect, it's obvious (to me anyway) the altitudes of the bases are too extreme.
However, I love the concept: 512 x 512 map and symmetric map.
Two weeks after the map was out, a version was submitted to HTC with different textures (as I recall) and the altitudes toned down. HTC has elected to stay with the current map.
I know how I feel about it. I wish HTC would pull the map. I'm sick of listening to your constant whining. I know there's probably only 10-20 of you who feel compelled to constantly whine and complain. Now that I think about it, you're the same 10-20 who whine and complain about everything.
I take it back! Don't take the map out of rotation! Maybe HTC will note your callsign and switch the terrain to AKDesert everytime one of you login. What's that you say? "By god, I'll quit Aces High!" Heh, wouldn't that be a loss. :)
curly
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"I'll leave the fluffing to your mom dickhead, not everyone is content to be an opportunist in a getaway plane . If I was also too stupid to figure out how to use a bombsight I might have had less than 13 bomber sorties last tour . Of course then I'd probably have resentment towards players who choose to fly bombers too ."
gee.... dickhead I understand but the rest is gibberish. Are you saying that my FM2 or -1a are "getaway planes"? Are you saying that flying fluffs is.... difficult? are you saying that I flew 13 sorties in em? (only flew two i can recall, one in an Il2 and one in an a20 and not to battle buildings). Resentment towards milkrunners? How could that be samm or suave or whoever. If you are suave then, by looking at your K/D I can see why you wouldn't want to run into any other players.
lazs
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I will say again, personal attacks will not be tolerated on this bulletin board. If you feel the need to do so, take it someplace else.