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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: brady on November 04, 2002, 10:36:06 PM
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Heck thats not profanity just bad spelling, but seriously I can see why it could be a muting offese i realy dont have a problem with that I do Have a problem with being Muted for saying Bite me after I got the Warning though, once for spelling it bitme:), and agin for Bite me:), prety freaking lame. Note the smily faces, which were present when I sent it out on chanel 1.
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I got muted in the CT fer TEN FRICKING MINUTES for typing "puss"
Thats about as sad as it gets :(
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fuk is infinitly offensive. Not only is it profane, but it's an obscene use of profanity.
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Heh...you curse and get muted and then come here and complain about it?
Some people just dont get it. The profanity filter isnt there so that you can think up amusing ways to curse around it by spelling a little differently. Grow up....there's no need for that language on an open channel...type it on your squad channel. Thats what I do. :D
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Originally posted by Innominate
fuk is infinitly offensive. Not only is it profane, but it's an obscene use of profanity.
An obscene use of profanity!
Oh no!
Not that!
Make the bad man stop!
:eek:
Originally posted by sling322
Heh...you curse and get muted and then come here and complain about it?
Some people just dont get it. The profanity filter isnt there so that you can think up amusing ways to curse around it by spelling a little differently. Grow up....there's no need for that language on an open channel...type it on your squad channel. Thats what I do. :D
AFAIK, you can get muted for that too. Best bet is to cuss like a sailor on AHV.
Phuck yeah...
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Neg Sandman...filter doesnt affect squad channels....believe me...I know. :)
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I have sean countless people spell out the same things as me and nothing hapend to them, unless what realy rubed whoever or whatever raw, was my poor spelling?:)
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The auto-filter will also mute you for misspelling words, which is retarded.
Even MORE retarded is the fact that you can un-mute yourself just by relogging, but that is good because the stupid mute system probably mutes more people for typos than for actual problems (certainly the truth in my case).
J_A_B
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There might have been a HTC staffer on that knew what you meant:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by sling322
Neg Sandman...filter doesnt affect squad channels....believe me...I know. :)
Hmmm... almost certain it happened to Nash in the TA. Will have to ask.
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Ya thats what I thought, espichaly since my retort to the initial warning was bitme and I was promptly Muted...Twice once for bad spelling of it then for being presestant in my attempt at improving it, Bite Me( my spelling:) ), mind you with the smilly faces:)
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muahahahahaha.... looks like the ch1 secret police are back.
either that or the filter software is getting a workout. it's weird what can be typed out and not get muted/warned...
;)
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can we say "goll durn ' as in "them goll durn bish taken all our bases"?
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no
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Getting muted for antagonizing the moderator after a warning?
Yeah, seems fair to me.
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Originally posted by Shane
muahahahahaha.... looks like the ch1 secret police are back.
either that or the filter software is getting a workout. it's weird what can be typed out and not get muted/warned...
;)
They never left Shane, they've always been there. Complete with all thier lack of responsibility and accountability.
Got muted the other day for telling a handsomehunk 109 that he was a handsomehunk 109. The 109 is dancing with a couple friendly fighters, and I guess he thought he was about to die (looked to me he had the advantage on the friendlies) and he decided to take an il2 with him. Attacked a gv, got the kill, 109 shreds me, gets shredded by a friendly that the 109 had the advantage over. That's a handsomehunk 109.
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Masking vulgarity by mispelling doesn't make it any less offensive.... sorry.
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not only should you be muted but your plane should be thrown into auto pilot, nice and level, for the duration of the mute :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
Masking vulgarity by mispelling doesn't make it any less offensive.... sorry.
so, like, chit, fug, dayum, beech, sheet, arse, goll durn, WTF, FUBAR etc etc are all, like....
bad? offensive? mutable offenses? how about vox? i can only imagine what goes unmonitored on vox.
even the meekest masked vulgarity is still mentally converted by people - does that make it any less "offensive" ? what about hell? or hellfire, or even hellgod(desses) hmmmmmm?
how about different languages?
context is also relevant, no?
i know, i know.... just sayin'..... yanno?
"vulgarity is the first refuge of the mediocre." :D
but there are times when it's a mere expression of frustration or slef-lambasting, like, "oh fug, lawndarted again!"
such a messy and confusing path, confounded with a peculiar filter and pecunious "cops."
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moose and flosy bitme:)
I see the that the adation of the smily face was not, appricated:)
"Masking vulgarity by mispelling doesn't make it any less offensive.... sorry"
Well Of course not thats why I said this:
" I can see why it could be a muting offese i realy dont have a problem with that I do Have a problem with being Muted for saying Bite me after I got the Warning though, once for spelling it bitme, and agin for Bite me, prety freaking lame. Note the smily faces, which were present when I sent it out on chanel 1."
I think that saying bitme was mearly a pun since it was punctuated with a :), but this advanced since of levity was aparently lost in the moment.
The only reasion I have made a point of this is to examplfy the absuradity of it all, after all this sort of abravation occures all the time, granted it is offensve and nead not be a part of the game if it can be helped, howeaver bitme:) is not imp offensive and if some moderator cant take a joke than perhaps the moderator nead montering, I HAVE NEVER BEEN MUTED IN OVER TWO years of playin AH and I am a little ticked than you.
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Brady, you are lucky it wasn't me you said byte me to after a mute.
You would no longer be with us.
Look at the situation clearly, you said somthing that is NOT exceptible, now your complaining about getting a mute for none exceptible behavior. Then you tell the monitor to go take a hike you don't like his rules, (Is that a fair translation of byte me?) .
You are way off base on this one.
HiTech
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My language stays pretty clean just out of habit, but I don't have too much trouble with what people type. That is pretty easy to not look at, channel 1 gets squelched as SOP anyway. (Frankly, you see worse in the newspaper and on television)
Now if only voice channel was squlechable. That is not so easy to ignore. Sometimes we don't need some stuff coming out of our speakers for those around near to hear.
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let the owners of the product control it
its a priviledge to play, not a right - you pay $15 for the priviledge, that's only if you follow the rules YOU agreeded to when you signed up.
if you can't control what you type, you have a problem
as for vox, it's muted 99% of time for me - all I need is the "check 6" call
I was serious about the auto pilot, let they die and maybe they'll show some self control
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Originally posted by Eagler
as for vox, it's muted 99% of time for me - all I need is the "check 6" call
Range channel is not squelchable
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Brady seems to lose sight of the fact there are new players joining us all the time. Most of them are intelligent and mature individuals, and his need to be offensive and try to get a lot of attention would not give a good impression of the game or the community.
I support the language filter, and to the moderators who are willing to help maintain a reasonable arena atmosphere.
Putting a smiley face after an offensive remarks makes it no less offensive.
Dago
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some people just don't get it
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Originally posted by brady
.....granted it is offensve and nead not be a part of the game if it can be helped....
Oh, he gets it.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Oh, he gets it.
i don't think he can use bad spelling/typo as any sort of ummmmm defense or whatever.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Turbot
Range channel is not squelchable
I keep it turned down in the setup
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
They never left Shane, they've always been there. Complete with all thier lack of responsibility and accountability.
Lack of accountability? I think you mean lack of accountability to you. They are still accountable to HTC.
Threads like this only serve to support the need for monitors in the arenas.
AKDejaVu
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Almost totally offtopic question:
One day Channel 1 (before I managed to get it squelched) had all kinds of languange I only used on the other side of the brow, but the person in question wasn't muted. These were not misspellings or typos.
Is the mute thing in the MA a function of someone muting them or is it a filter in the chat?
Used to have screenshots, but I didn't think they were worth keeping. Mathman's response was best, though ("nice mouth, you kiss your mother with it?").
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Both puck. The filter is not always on. The moderators are not always present.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Puck
One day Channel 1 (before I managed to get it squelched) had all kinds of languange I only used on the other side of the brow, but the person in question wasn't muted. These were not misspellings or typos.
Is the mute thing in the MA a function of someone muting them or is it a filter in the chat?
good question - you'd think the filter would catch that (not all "naughty" words are filtered it seems?), but this perhaps implies that there is also an unseen hand at work, which reinforces at times the perception it's not so much what one says, but rather who one knows.
this is part of the cons to having "secret" cops, it can lead to the impression that enforcement is not applied in a fair and/or consistent manner.
it's not my call, so YMMV.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
The filter is not always on. AKDejaVu
why would this be? i'd think it'd be a primary concern to ensure it *is* on at all times. why woul dit ever be turned off? or to make it part of the "reset" programming.
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Interesting that the attention seeking, rude, crude and commonly discourteous seem to be the only ones who have a problem w/filter and moderators.
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Well, speaking only for myself, I keep channel 1 squelched and if I have anything unpleasant to say when I get shot down/miss, etc it's to myself so text buffers are not required.
The language in question is in the dictionary, but there was great debate about adding "diddly" to the lexigraphic standards. Personally I was always taught if you have nothing pleasant to say, say nothing.
I've never had many problems with the language on-line. This may be due to having room/country/and squad as the only channels I see. Everything I've heard about channel 1 doesn't make me think I should consider unquelching it.
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Unfortunately, squelching channel 1 or individuals doesn't prevent the garbage from appearing in films. It's up to the player to try to surgically remove said garbage from an otherwise good film using the Film Editor.
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Originally posted by Shane
why would this be? i'd think it'd be a primary concern to ensure it *is* on at all times. why woul dit ever be turned off? or to make it part of the "reset" programming.
I don't really know shane... but if I had to venture a guess it would be this:
It is a filter. That means it filters out text and issues a warning. How it goes about that could mean that it actually filters text out of non-cursing situations and still issues a warning. Basically... it is impacting to generic chat. Its also incapable of picking up every new creative spelling of the same old curse words.
So, you turn it on for a while so that people who actually curse alot get to experience the filter and all of its fury. After a while, you don't need it because they believe they will be muted. So, you can turn it off. It stays off until enough people realize its off and start to flood the airways again.
Dunno... that's just a guess.
AKDejaVu
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"How it goes about that could mean that it actually filters text out of non-cursing situations and still issues a warning. Basically... it is impacting to generic chat. "
In other words people get warned/muted for typos, which is stupid.
J_A_B
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maybe if you don't intend to cuss in the first place....
I mean, if you're not trying to type, or mis-type, something vulgar in the first place...
I dunno' .. that seems to make sense and rarely does that mean someone will follow it.
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Hitech, have you received and read my email regarding what I found to be offensive two weeks ago? No one got back to me.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
In other words people get warned/muted for typos, which is stupid.
Not just typos... regular text. "I'll fly the F4u-1C until Friday" would definately trigger the filter.
There's not a non-impacting way to impliment a decent cursing filter. So it get's used when things start getting bad again, but not all the time.
AKDejaVu
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I as a non native speaker need advice.
What's so bad about "bite me"? Isn't it just cute for "shoot me"?
How do I make sure I don't type something that someone might consider to be insulting?
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If you type something innocuous and they go ballistic it was probably a misunderstanding.
"bite me" is more like "piss off" in Americanese.
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No easy answer ccvi. In this particular instance, it was the context of the usage, not so much the actual verbage.
Basically, it boils down to common sense, courtesy, and a modicum of respect. All these taken into account should answer any questions about this topic.
brendo, just because you did not get an email back does not mean we didn't do anything.
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Originally posted by ccvi
I as a non native speaker need advice.
What's so bad about "bite me"? Isn't it just cute for "shoot me"?
How do I make sure I don't type something that someone might consider to be insulting?
naw, bite me by itself is trivial - it was the context in which it was used to mouth off at a moderator or HTC staffer, whichever, after brady got his mute/warning.
it would be the equivalent to telling the cop who pulled you over for speeding that he was a fat donut-eating loser when he asked to see your driver's liscense.
:eek:
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"it would be the equivalent to telling the cop who pulled you over for speeding that he was a fat donut-eating loser when he asked to see your driver's liscense. "
That the way is completely legal and there's nothing the cop can do about it so long as you actually DO show him your license.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"it would be the equivalent to telling the cop who pulled you over for speeding that he was a fat donut-eating loser when he asked to see your driver's liscense. "
That the way is completely legal and there's nothing the cop can do about it so long as you actually DO show him your license.
J_A_B
well of course, but.....
he could charge you with assault.
he could trump up all kinds of crap.
he could simply beat your bellybutton and say you resisted arrest.
yanno?
best to just say, thank you sir, have a good day.
or maybe a better example would be comparable to telling judge judy she needs to get laid.
:D
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"it would be the equivalent to telling the cop who pulled you over for speeding that he was a fat donut-eating loser when he asked to see your driver's liscense. "
That the way is completely legal and there's nothing the cop can do about it so long as you actually DO show him your license.
J_A_B
Of course, it's also perfectly legal for the cop to ticket you for everything and anything that you may be in violation of.
SOB
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Originally posted by ccvi
I as a non native speaker need advice.
What's so bad about "bite me"? Isn't it just cute for "shoot me"?
How do I make sure I don't type something that someone might consider to be insulting?
It isn't just about verbage - how the other person interprets what you typed also comes into play. Bottom line, if you get a warning for something you typed, do one of the following:
1. Shut up
2. Apologize
While I think HTs responce to the situation would have been overkill given that I think that Brady's responce was meant to be sarcastically cute, it would still have been Brady's choice to have put something out there that could be mis-interpreted.
In the end, if you're concerned enought about it to ask, you probably won't encounter a problem.
SOB
PS...Cavey, you should never enter any thread of this nature. If you got muted today for typing "I love you" to everyone in the arena, it would be justified for the scores of poop you've typed on the open channel and haven't been muted for in the past! :)
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"it would be the equivalent to telling the cop who pulled you over for speeding that he was a fat donut-eating loser when he asked to see your driver's liscense. "
That the way is completely legal and there's nothing the cop can do about it so long as you actually DO show him your license.
J_A_B
Not so!...
If you said that you 'think' he a fat donut-eating loser then he couldn't do a damn thing about it. Otherwise they 'can' cite you for, and I could be wrong on this but there IS a law, 'public slander of a sworn officer'. By saying you 'think' he's a... you are just giving your opinion and here in 'merica, you may voice your opinion w/o any worries...unless the cop goes postal on yer bellybutton :P
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Originally posted by ccvi
How do I make sure I don't type something that someone might consider to be insulting?
Just dont curse on channel 1. It doesnt matter if its spelled right or wrong. As long as you dont do it, you should be fine.
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Well I'd imagine the laws vary somewhat from state to state :)
J_A_B
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Originally posted by sling322
Just dont curse on channel 1. It doesnt matter if its spelled right or wrong. As long as you dont do it, you should be fine.
Yep, that's what I do...kinda like not having watch for cops in the rear view mirror if you don't speed.
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Originally posted by sling322
Neg Sandman...filter doesnt affect squad channels....believe me...I know. :)
Yeah, if squad channel were subject to muting, the Shills would never get to talk!
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Originally posted by MrLars
Yep, that's what I do...kinda like not having watch for cops in the rear view mirror if you don't speed.
You just gotta speed fast enough. Then your only concern will be forward-quarter intercepts.
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Originally posted by runny
You just gotta speed fast enough. Then your only concern will be forward-quarter intercepts.
then you could weasel out of it by saying you got new tires and had them balanced and that the speedometer must be off.
:p
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Well:
I was at 6k on a F4U's six at D800 and about to open fire and widewing pluged me with 5inch and killed me outright, I was on my way home with 3 kills and a VH and some fuel bunkers in the bag, a good attack sortie, he had already killed a couple squad mates and I thought I was at a safe distance.
The "fuk" was not a slam but more a means to express my suprise, truth be told he did quiet well in that gun it was a good shot.
Of course the monitor had no clue of any of this, my ushal response would of been "!" and thats it. I agree that say "fuk" was not aproparate, If I hadent been so shocked to have receaved a warning for this when I see it all the time on chanel one I would never of said bite me, It was inteaned as a flipent remarc, "sarcastically cute" as SOB said, obviously it was to much to ask the moderator to even begin to appricate that, nor in retrospect shold it of been.
When I get pulled over I say TY officer, but then agin it is quiet clear that I was speading I know I am being bad and I am ready to pay the consaquences, In this case I was preparied to be warned, and not prepared to be muted, but a leasion was learned, It is true telling the cop to f off aint to smart, after all you know not what he amy do what kind of a person he/she is or what their temperment may be, better to play it safe and live to spead another day.
My muting chery has been popped, I feal howeaver it was more like a date rape than a loving imbrace:)
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So let me get this straight...
"Bite me" will get you muted
"Byte me" is ok unless you say it to hitech
Is there a list of mute trigger words? I'm not talking about all the possible mis-spellings as that would help people invent new misspellings, just the core words? For example, would typing in "RV-6 owners are jealous of Harmon Rocket owners" get you muted, banned, or what?
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Originally posted by eagl
So let me get this straight...
"Bite me" will get you muted
"Byte me" is ok unless you say it to hitech
Is there a list of mute trigger words? I'm not talking about all the possible mis-spellings as that would help people invent new misspellings, just the core words? For example, would typing in "RV-6 owners are jealous of Harmon Rocket owners" get you muted, banned, or what?
Not exactly eagl.....according to what I have read here...."FUK" will get you warned and when you respond to the warning with "byte me" then you will get muted.
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Guys this one is SO simple.
Talk like your mom is sitting next to you.
Or if your mom is THAT bad, your grandmother.
Would you really talk like that if she was there listening? What you say on priv & squad channels is ok. But she see's everything else you say. Think about it.
Brady you took it like a man.
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Originally posted by brady
Heck thats not profanity just bad spelling, but seriously I can see why it could be a muting offese i realy dont have a problem with that I do Have a problem with being Muted for saying Bite me after I got the Warning though, once for spelling it bitme:), and agin for Bite me:), prety freaking lame. Note the smily faces, which were present when I sent it out on chanel 1.
To bad the MA filter doesn't apply to the BBS:(
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Skuzzy:Basically, it boils down to common sense, courtesy, and a modicum of respect. All these taken into account should answer any questions about this topic.
Aztec: Interesting that the attention seeking, rude, crude and commonly discourteous seem to be the only ones who have a problem w/filter and moderators
Those sum it up nicely. Well said.
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Originally posted by brady
My muting chery has been popped, I feal howeaver it was more like a date rape than a loving imbrace:)
LOL! :D
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hehe, I actually typed this in the CT talking to Frenchy.
sorry dude I was muted for typing ass
and that's why I was muted again .
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While were on the subject, I have a rotting horse carcass I'm going to drag out of the cellar....Can we please have the ability to squelch range vox? I'd rather look at the profanity in the buffer than listen to some of the drivel that goes on in range vox.
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
"I'll fly the F4u-1C until Friday" would definately trigger the filter.
I dont understand why the above sentence will trig the filter.
:confused:
Can you explain?
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Originally posted by Naso
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
"I'll fly the F4u-1C until Friday" would definately trigger the filter.
I dont understand why the above sentence will trig the filter.
:confused:
Can you explain?
F4u-1il
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Maybe this is related to how VOX randomly mutes people :)
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Originally posted by eagl
So let me get this straight...
"Bite me" will get you muted
"Byte me" is ok unless you say it to hitech
Is there a list of mute trigger words? I'm not talking about all the possible mis-spellings as that would help people invent new misspellings, just the core words? For example, would typing in "RV-6 owners are jealous of Harmon Rocket owners" get you muted, banned, or what?
What if you say "nibble me" to HiTech? Does anyone still know what a nibble is?
If you're really pissed off you can say "Word me"?
Just wondering :D
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Isnt a nibble half way between a bit and a byte?
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A nibble (or nybble) is half a byte, and *used* to be 4 bits back in the late 80's. I don't know if it's still current terminology in basic computer courses.
So you'd actually have to say "nibble me twice" to trigger the bite me mute...
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Having a term for a half byte only makes sense because it is a single hex digit. I don't think nibble has much other use in every day life than that.
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All I have to say is this thread is entertaining.
I was muted for the first time not long ago. Was in the CT, as always, I think 1 other guy was up in a 109, shot me down and I wrote 'dam squeak 109 got me!' on the country channel. I dont even know why I wrote it. Just to let off steam I guess. Muted. That got me even more steamed. I think the most frustrating part was that nobody else was on. Protecting me from myself.
Flossy, I dont know if you are one of the muters and are new, but the last time I flew in the ma (month or so ago) it was so full of fuk sh@t etc etc that I had to squelch 1 and 2 (not because the fake swearing was offensive, but the conversation was so full of whining and of poor quality whining at that). Were all of those people squelched? Seems strange...
nibble me. I am gonna remember that one.
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Originally posted by ccvi
Having a term for a half byte only makes sense because it is a single hex digit. I don't think nibble has much other use in every day life than that.
There are still four- and eight-bit microprocessors being used for low-end products where processing power requierments aren't needed.