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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tumor on November 05, 2002, 05:18:50 PM
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.....post leads to Internets first known worldwide text shortage.
Reports indicate that SaburoS, the ring-leader antagonist of a secret society of gamer lamer psuedo political know it alls, single handedly created text documents worldwide to mysteriously fail without warning due to the massive and tedious length of his posts.
Luckily, a kind hearted and diligent purveyor of good will... "Skuzzy" (aka Mr. Poopypants) stepped in and halted the storm of words before massive damage was inflicted upon the
www (http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html)
:D
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Poop?
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Let me summarize:
I'M RIGHT!
YOU'RE WRONG!
Skuzzy, lock the entire board now.
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Stating that black people are inherently inferior to white people is racist. Even if you don’t say it in those words but dance around the idea, you’re still positing a racist attitude. Overlooking the white power structure’s responsibility in creating or maintaining an unfair advantage for whites is ignorant at best. Maybe lots of white guys don’t understand the advantage they have for merely being born white. Maybe it’s because in your own worlds, you don’t feel powerful, not like those CEOs and politicians, the vast majority of whom are white guys. You don’t identify with them, so you can’t understand why all non-white men and women are pointing out your complicity. Now that blacks and other minorities and women are using the same system that gave the advantage to white men to force a more even hand, you cry foul and make disparaging remarks. You can’t see it as an attempt to make the game fair. You can’t even admit that the game is skewed in your favor. Maybe you personally haven’t benefited from the dominant white power structure (although, I’d venture to guess that you don’t face the same obstacles that non-whites and women face).
This is not to say that some white groups haven’t faced discrimination. Used to be when the Irish were discouraged from applying for jobs (“No Irish need apply” signs – circa the late 1800’s, 1900’s). But the Irish have been integrated into the larger predominant culture, so now they aren’t “Irish” so much as “white.” Who can even think of a police force or firefighters without assuming a majority of them is Irish? Even in predominantly black or Hispanic or Asian neighborhoods?
Who, today, can think of the Polish and immediately think, “rocket scientist”? Not the first reaction, hmm? I live in a Polish neighborhood in Brooklyn where an immigrant from Poland could have arrived as a child twenty-five, thirty years ago and still not speak English fluently if he or she didn’t stray far. And it’s really easy to laugh at the dumb things that I’ve found here. A book of matches, for instance, from the God Bless Deli that came without a strike bar. Full book of matches and nowhere to strike. It was hard not to say, “Of course! Polish neighborhood!” And, yeah, I miss my old neighborhood in Bushwick ONLY because the Asian laundry lady knew how to fold my clothes. In this neighborhood, the Polish laundry lady rolls all my clothes – ROLLS ‘em – as if I need to stuff ‘em into a knapsack and escape over the border on a moment’s notice. And my landlord the plumber... beautiful apartment but there’s no counter, none, next to the kitchen sink so the floor gets wet when I wash dishes and have to put them on the counter behind me, and the only problem we had with the apartment is that the bathtub drain kept stopping up. Is it because of some stupidity gene of the Polish?
MAYBE.
Except that the best carpenter I hired for my new business was Polish. Well, Polish-American. And the God Bless Deli owners (or the counter guys) are middle eastern, and the matches were from Winston, not Warsaw.
I didn’t see anyone who was accused of being a lefty or liberal suggest or even hint that black Americans don’t have opportunities now that they didn’t before the ‘60s and that they shouldn’t use their intelligence and ambition and strength of character to succeed as opposed to (as has been suggested by those accusing others of being liberals) taking the “easy” road to the high life of welfare and lining their pockets with white people’s tax monies (suggesting that every black person receiving government subsidies was a lazy, shiftless bonehead while, not articulated but implied by tone, the white people on welfare had fallen temporarily on hard times).
I believe that every American should advance by virtue of their good efforts and determination and ambition. But what often happens is that people are rewarded for their ability to schmooze and bamboozle. Why are ineffectual CEOs, for instance, whose companies lose millions of dollars under their command, rewarded with outrageous salaries and bonuses? Look at the news. White men in suits. They LOOK respectable – affluent and responsible and hard-working.
How can they do it? They work the system. Now minorities, smartening up to the game, are working the system. Sometimes righteously, sometimes maliciously, sometimes out of pure greed. Just like the majority.
No one here can convince me that white Americans are a pure and saintly people whose self-interest is superseded by their loftier desires for a system fair to everyone and who are being taken advantage of by “those people” (fill in whatever group du jour tops your irritation list).
As for someone else’s assertion that he couldn’t trust a black man or a woman’s competence because they probably got a job they didn’t deserve, I will say that some prominent black leaders have expressed the same concern from the other side of the Affirmative Action coin, that black people (and women) may be dogged by the suspicion that they got a job or a promotion because of a quota rather than merit. It is a problematic issue. But there are probably more incompetent white men in powerful positions, jobs they got because they are white and male, than competent blacks and women in powerful positions. Just look at the Business section, because news about CEOs’ mishandling of company funds or abuse of position or plain incompetence often doesn’t make the headlines.
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Stating that black people are inherently inferior to white people is racist.
Unless you can prove it. :)
But I never said (or believed) anything remotely resembling that. The only person who said anything like that was Miko. Take it up with him. I'm sure he'll be glad to talk your ear off on the subject. :)
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(suggesting that every black person receiving government subsidies was a lazy, shiftless bonehead while, not articulated but implied by tone, the white people on welfare had fallen temporarily on hard times).
I didn't say that either. To whom are your remarks directed?
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But there are probably more incompetent white men in powerful positions, jobs they got because they are white and male, than competent blacks and women in powerful positions.
Now THAT is a racist statement.
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Yep that guy is a racist...
I do find it very funny how some lefties like this idiot go on a white devil racism rant and then say something blantaly racist in support of their argument.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep that guy is a racist...
I do find it very funny how some lefties like this idiot go on a white devil racism rant and then say something blantaly racist in support of their argument.
:rolleyes:
It's not racist if it's against whites. One of the cardinal rules of the PC Polizei. :)
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See, when I don't see somebody resparating... I run away because chances are, I hit them with my car... then I return to the scene later and blame it on a black cuban driving a rusted out Pinto all hopped up on the drugs!
-SW
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Thats true funked, isn't it? I mean I heard at school that only white men can be racist and there can be no racism directed against them. Really I heard that at school, it was in a book... :D
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Grunherz, yes it's true. Everything they tell you is true.
Obey, consume, and multiply.
(http://www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/data/movies/stills/tlst03.jpg)
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yes comrade commisar ;)
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Is this why we never had a Caucasian American Awareness Club in high school?
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Originally posted by funkedup
I didn't say that either. To whom are your remarks directed?
Funkedup,
Maybe by saying this "not articulated but implied by tone", she could possibly be including you.
Why do you appear to be defensive?
Could it be then that maybe you feel she does have a point?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yep that guy is a racist...
I do find it very funny how some lefties like this idiot go on a white devil racism rant and then say something blantaly racist in support of their argument.
:rolleyes:
Why do you assume ethernaut's a guy?
How does your personal attack against her validate your arguement?
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On the reparations thing. We might want to turn an eye to England. Here is a tidbit that I ran across, while looking for something else.
Some of your immigrants did not come by choice. English prisons were cleared and convicts shipped to the American colonies. Women and children were kidnapped from the countryside and off of the streets of cities such as London and Edinburgh to provide needed colonial laborers. When they arrived, your ancestors did not find the American streets to be paved with gold. But whether they came to the wilderness or came to a large city already settled with people they knew from their homeland, your immigrants were pioneers.
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Saburo
This guys statement is stupid enough and racist enough on its own - anything else I said is just icing on the cake....
And yes its so obvious this guy is a guy, just as its obvious she is a woman. I actually have no idea why you even bring that up, I suppose your next topic de jour will be sexism... :rolleyes:
And if this ethernut person is a woman it just means she is a racist woman with racist opinions...
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Maybe by saying this "not articulated but implied by tone", she could possibly be including you.
Yeah I think so, because it posted that right after my post, and I assumed it was a reply to my post. I could be wrong of course.
And including me would be ridiculous if you actually read what I posted in the other thread. I made statements which weren't based on generalizations or stereotypes but on verifiable facts. And invited you and anyone else to refute those facts. But instead of doing so you switched to personal attack mode.
Why do you appear to be defensive?
For the reason you just stated. Why do you ask questions when you have already made statements which contain the answer? Also I don't like the fact that ethernaut has never posted here before but suddenly shows up and appoints itself to the role of PC arbiter. So I'm confronting it as much as possible, as long as it continues to spew on this topic.
Could it be then that maybe you feel she does have a point?
No. I feel that it doesn't have a valid point. If it is trying to make an accusation, I want it to come right out and slander me like you did, so I can refute its claims like I did yours.
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PS I don't agree with Miko's statements about the capabilities of blacks. A lot of his logic is compelling but I am prejudiced in favor of blacks based on personal experience. I've known blacks who were a hell of a lot smarter and capable than I am. So I doubt they are at any kind of significant genetic disadvantage. And even if they are, individuals are always going to vary, so applying a generalization to an individual is going to be wrong most of the time.
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Here we go again.
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so if you say that black people are better athletes or have bigger schlongs or do worse on the bell curve you are being racist? We used to say that they had thicker bones when I boxed and then years later I was told that was racist... years after that NASA said they were studying blacks for outer space because space caused bone loss and blacks had thicker bones.
Not sure if racism even means anything anymore. Just gibberish.
lazs
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Was it really necessary to start this thread again, or were you just wanting to get banned?
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ethernaut, It's good to see ya posting over here- it's been awhile. I hope all is going good for your new venture- I know you're busy as heck, and I appreciate you taking the time to toss a bit of gas on the fire. <
> and I'll see you on your next trip to the West Coast.
-Mike
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funkedup: The only person who said anything like that was Miko. Take it up with him. I'm sure he'll be glad to talk your ear off on the subject. :)
Just let them read the damn book - "The Bell Curve" and then the massive literature supporting or arguing it's content.
PS I don't agree with Miko's statements about the capabilities of blacks. A lot of his logic is compelling but I am prejudiced in favor of blacks based on personal experience. I've known blacks who were a hell of a lot smarter and capable than I am.
Same here.
And I was always carefull to note that statistics can never be applied to an individual case. Statistics not only supports the statement that many blacks should be very smart - it can pretty accurately predict how many of them should be at any intelligence level.
Whatever my faults, "applying a generalization to an individual" is not one of them. I gladly hired black programmers and quantitative analysts after an interview which allowed me to get an idea of their abilities.
Of course I have no way to judge someone's abilities as a doctor or a lawyer and forced to rely on credentials or the school name. So I would never select a black doctor or a lawyer (unless personally recommended by a knowlegeable person) since I have no way to know if he/she is a real deal or have been given preferential treatment despite low abilities. I guess it is not fair to really capable blacks but how can I tell which is which?
miko
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Originally posted by funkedup
Now THAT is a racist statement.
How is it?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Saburo
This guys statement is stupid enough and racist enough on its own - anything else I said is just icing on the cake....
And yes its so obvious this guy is a guy, just as its obvious she is a woman. I actually have no idea why you even bring that up, I suppose your next topic de jour will be sexism... :rolleyes:
And if this ethernut person is a woman it just means she is a racist woman with racist opinions...
How is her statement both stupid and racist?
Just because you say so doesn't necessarily make it so.
Perhaps you can type something more intelligent than hers to prove your points.
BTW you might have missed her post in the other thread as to why one could conclude her sex.
Funked quoted "Originally posted by Guy Hiding Behind a Psuedonym" (first one presuming her to be a man)
Her response was to close her answer to Funked with "love,e"
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Just because you say so doesn't necessarily make it so.
You seem to have no problem with deciding what's racist and what's not. Did you take a special course on how to detect racism?
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Somebody else 'splain it to him, I'm tired of pointing out the obvious.
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I just want to know when I get my land back...
(Native American)
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So SaburoS you are assuming somebody who ends a response with:
"Love
e"
must be a woman. Why are you reinforcing outdated hurtful gender sterotypes of feminine emotions and feminine behavior by assuming ethernut is a woman because of that, or even worse, expecting other people to assume the same based only on that and your prejudiced stereotyped opinion and mindset towards women?
You are not only a racist but now have clearly shown yourself to be a sexist as well. I bet you the grand dragon of the KKK herself...
Love
G
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Love
G
:D
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Let's not re-start this again.