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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on November 06, 2002, 09:03:46 AM
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Thank you.
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Just seeing the words, "boycott" and "pizza" used in the same sentence seems so....wrong.
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So thats how you get to 14,653 posts. :cool:
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Will be watching TV and gettin' in some family time (now where'd I put them) 'till that pizza map comes around. AH sucks without the pizza. :D
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The small maps are to crowdy
The MA becomes one big furball
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Agreed
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Just imagine that everyone follows this call to avoid pizza.
We would never get rid of it! :D
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The pizza map may not be a perfect map, but in all but the off-peak hours, the small maps are way too small.
Some people enjoy simply furballing all night long, the more pilots in the area the better. Let them furball all they want, great, on akdesert, they dont bother me, the n1k2spitla7pony dweebs can furballl till thier heart's content. I can avoid it if i please. Sticking to areas with smaller fights.
On the 256 maps it simply isn't possible. During prime time the 256 maps are nothing but lines of furballs along the front lines. You can furball, hop in a GV, or log off.
In addition to this choice, akdesert offers a huge span of altitudes to fight at. Most fights happen at a few thousand feet above ground level. On the 256 maps, this means virtually all fighting is under 10,000feet. Akdesert however, has numerous fields where the same fights happen at 10k-15k feet. This encourages the use of different planes, instead of simply the best low-level fighters.
We need more 512 maps. Ones that aren't such eyesores. With as wide of a range of field altitudes as is practical. Unrealistic, even impossible, terrains may not be any good for scenarios, but for the MA, can be perfect.
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"You can furball, hop in a GV, or log off. "
Depends on what country you play for and what situation that country is in....AND on which particular map is in the rotation.
UNLESS your country is down to like 6 bases, I cannot imagine how that can POSSIBLY be true on any map except perhaps Mindanao (yes Mindanao is something of a furball map)....I have NEVER seen a situation on BALTIC, Uterus, or NDISLES where the two larger countries didn't have some route to avoid the main fight if they wished to do so. NDISLES is especially good for that. Yes if your country is "in the bucket" then options will be limited...but that is also true on AKDESERT and is caused by the poor AH reset conditions, not by the particular map in the rotation.
As for the 512 map size....it's decent at peak hours, but at off-peak hours (which BTW is more than half the day) player density is too low. It is positively horrible at low hours unless you want to avoid all other players or have only 1 vs 1's, and if that's the case you may as well fly offline or in H2H.
Personally I don't think the 512 map size is necessery; rather future terrains of the 256 size should make sure to use the ENTIRE map space and not waste large amounts of it. Look at Mindanao (the most complained-about map prior to AKDESERT)--it wastes a massive amount of the map space. "Uterus" suffers from the same problem to a degree--too much wasted space--and even BALTIC and NDISLES aren't 100% perfect with regards to land usage.
J_A_B
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Even with perfect land usage, 256 is way too small. a 512 map that wastes a lot of space in the same way as mindy or uterus is IMO the best way to go for right now.
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"a 512 map that wastes a lot of space in the same way as mindy or uterus is IMO the best way to go for right now."
That would work too :)
J_A_B
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agreed. after messing with the TE it's easy to see how this would work.
IMO it's the best idea yet. I'd be willing to bet there are at least a few terrains like this already in development.
it just takes a hell of a long time to make one of these babies.
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Just logged off of the uterus map, WAY too crowded. Nothing but hundred player furballs.
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Originally posted by Innominate
Just logged off of the uterus map, WAY too crowded. Nothing but hundred player furballs.
...and right in the middle is Lazs having an orgasm in his FM2...
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"Just logged off of the uterus map, WAY too crowded. Nothing but hundred player furballs."
I guess you weren't looking at the map very hard! Shortly after you posted that, I went online and took a screenshot of the map situation. I believe you are a BISHOP, so I did the following:
Big fights are circled in YELLOW
Recommended attack routes to AVOID the big fights are WHITE arrows.
As is plainly evident, there are plenty of options for the Bishops to launch attacks without having to fly into the large fights should they wish to do so. No options but to furball? I think not!
J_A_B
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Well of course I can slip between the furballs, fly 50 miles an attack a base that is irrelavant.
I could just go play microsoft flight sim If i wanted to do that.
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You might have a point Rip. There is not much sense in them building all this first person shooter stuff, if there is no place for them to play with it.
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JUST BRING LARGE BETA MAPS. :cool:
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whiners.
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Originally posted by mason22
whiners.
Quit whining about the whiners you whiner!
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Whiney whine whine?
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Originally posted by Puck
...and right in the middle is Lazs having an orgasm in his FM2...
ROFL
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Did HTC remove Kappa's Pizza Whine Thread?
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Ya these small maps suck, I spend less time on them the Pizza map, same thing every day furball, mased atack and the overun/ran, yawn.
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Why not get online right now Brady, only 77 people online (more than half are knights)....no such thing as a mass attack :)
J_A_B
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
Pizza map is not good during the evening hours in the Far East (ie Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand) because you end up just taking bases (with no defense) and it feels no better than an offline game or some other computer game where you just fight the computer.
I wish something could be done about the colors though...
From closed thread...I completely agree with him.
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Most of us that dislike the Pizza map dont have a problem with the size. At least for me, I hate the color - hurts my damn eyes. As for size, hell, you make em as big as you want em. :cool:
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After much testing we found that different desert colors tend to irritate the eyes of almost everyone. However, we found a specific set of colors that only irritated a rather small group of people, gay people. Since someone has to be irritated we chose the smallest group. :p
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Originally posted by AKIron
Since someone has to be irritated we chose the smallest group. :p
don't you just hate it when big groups' whining destroys the peace and quiet of your little circle-jerk?
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
don't you just hate it when big groups' whining destroys the peace and quiet of your little circle-jerk?
:D
How would I know? No big group of whiners around here.
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Originally posted by AKIron
How would I know? No big group of whiners around here.
shows how well you thought it out.
:D
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Originally posted by Shane
shows how well you thought it out.
:D
Not following you there Shane, whiners are small group, did I say or imply otherwise? Are you saying that the "big group" are all whiners?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Not following you there Shane, whiners are small group, did I say or imply otherwise? Are you saying that the "big group" are all whiners?
nooo... i'm saying that you AK's are having a big circle-jerk about the map.
:D
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Honestly, if the other maps are too small, why the heck does the solution have to be the pizza map size?? It is 4 times as big as others.
I wish someone made a map thet was only twice as big as the others.
The problem with pizza size is that all relevant info (bars, base numbers and owners, dots etc overlapping) are a big blur when one tries to figure out what is happening on the map. It becomes readable only when zooming so close that one can see only one small portion of the map.
Thus all just end up doing their own individual stuff at some area. Just several small scattered fights or hits at undefended fields. Or they just go where al other are. This gives the big countries (often the bishes) the possibility to have to large groups.. one fighting the small country's force and the other taking the undefended bases at some other location without anyone really noticing them.
That could be helped a bit by changing the map icons. e.g.
-get rid of the scaling country icons beside the base icons, show the ownership by color or some other way.
-make the base icons keep the right size compared to terrain when zooming the map.. thus to see the base size one might need to zoom a bit closer
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..forgot.
Is it somehow hard coded to AH that map size is either 256 or 512??? (or in that pattern). There are a lot of numbers between those two!!!
362x362 would be twice as big in area as 256x256 ;)
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"The problem with pizza size is that all relevant info (bars, base numbers and owners, dots etc overlapping) are a big blur when one tries to figure out what is happening on the map. "
This could be fixed somwhat by showing all 3 countries as a unique color on the clipboard map.
Oh and ALL arenas are technically 512 x 512--it's up to the indicidual map maker as to how much space he actually USES.
J_A_B
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Pizza map is just fine.
I hope HTC soon releases other maps in the same size, but with different textures etc.
The little maps are now way too small when many players are online. It should really boost up the CT, but somehow it doesn't.
Wonder what kind of map(s) arrive(s) with the new Mission Arena, and if those will be used in the MA.....;)
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Originally posted by Shane
nooo... i'm saying that you AK's are having a big circle-jerk about the map.
:D
Oh yeah, we love all the whining and attention so much that we asked HTC to pull it.