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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Karnak on November 06, 2002, 07:11:17 PM
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Congratualtions of gaining control of the Senate, and maintaining control of the House. The next two years should be interesting regardless of where you fall in the political spectrum.
Please join me in hoping for the best results and efforts for our country.
Thanks and !
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Should be interesting. I dislike the GOP only slightly less than I dislike the DNC.
No excuses now for the GOP I think. They have the wheel and it's time to produce.
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S! Karnak
A shame more of the conservatives on the board didn't show as much class.
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Originally posted by funkedup
They have the wheel ...
Yeah but do they know how to drive?
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Conservatives were not really the winners, Republicans were. Now the country will go down the toilet more slowly than it would if Democrats were still running Washington.
ra
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Good luck Republicans, hope those lefties don't give you too much trouble :)
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It's an unusual and new position for the Republicans, who's theme (for lack of a better word) is anti-big government. Sort of like fighting Washington and standing up for individual or State's rights. Very shortly the Republicans will be the very essence of Big Government. The establishment. In a form that's historically very rare... if it has ever occured for the Republicans at all.
Along with the satisfaction of their win (was huge and they should be delighted), I am sure some of them are a little bit uncomfortable right now. Be careful what you wish for and alla that.
The ball is fully in their court now... There is no more blaming Daschle, and the Clinton jabs are gonna get even more strained and absurd as things progress. As of today, that's yesterday. With a unified Republican government, they now have an historic opportunity to do some great things.
It's gonna be an interesting couple of years. I can't help thinking that for every action, there is an...
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the idea that the GOP is against big gov't is a farce.
they'll spend every penny they get & a bit more just like the left, just on defferent things
the idea that the GOP are conservatives is a farce.
the dems & the GOP have pretty much shared power since the end of WWII, during which time taxes & spending have increased enormously even accounting for inflation, population increase and real GDP growth
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Yeah, they've got the majority but they're anything but a monolithic block of voters. Jeffords proved that, I think, last time.
So the ball is in their court and thus they're in deep trouble. Just like the dems when they had the majority; it' isn't one party or the other, it's both.
They're all jockeying for individual position and the country gets what's left over.
Them dang politicians just won't stay bought!
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As far as I understand it Toad, any Bush SC appointees now get to sail through.
As that is the sole reason you voted for Bush, well, I'd be ecstatic. Congratulations.
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I doubt they'll let just anyone "sail through".
You forget one other detail too... A SC Justice has to retire or die in order to be replaced. So, if everyone hangs on two years... the deck gets reshuffled and it could easily be a "new game".
So, no dancing in the aisles just yet.
But I'm not going to say that I would be disappointed if one of the less Constitutionally oriented judges retired right now. I doubt that will happen.
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Really this is kinda scary from the Dems point cause now Bush will be able to get more things passed with the GOP running the show.
We'll just have to see what comes about...not make assumptions...
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Well, regardless if any of the appointees sail through or have to run a guantlet of spitballs, they're gonna get through.
Forget alla that other nasty pedestrian business the government has to attend to.. you know... like actually governing.... ... The SC appointees are what it's all about, aint that right? How luscious for you. :)
Btw, I aint seeking a google debate... We've been down this road re voting not for Prez but for the SC... So nothing here should ruffle any feathers.
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SC judges tend to retire only if they think the appointed replacement (or the appointer of the replacement) will be decent.
thats why none retired after it became obvious that clinton was a complete toejamhead - one (or possibly two - dont exacltly remember) retired early in clinton's 1st term, when everyone was still buying his line of bullshi+. as it is, i think the only republican judge on the court near retirement age is the chief & he's not about to go.
i hope they try to nominate bork again - - - you'd think the stink of watergate might have worm off of him by now, plus last time it gave SNL some funny material, but if he's shaved his beard i dont want him
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Where the hell is weasel? :D
I'm thinkin he may be laid up in a hospital suffering from a serious head explosion at the latest news from the polls!
Tumor
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WTG Republicans!
sry, couldn't resist :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Forget alla that other nasty pedestrian business the government has to attend to.. you know... like actually governing.... ... The SC appointees are what it's all about, aint that right? How luscious for you. :)
You seem to forget that politicians, whether Dems or Reps, tend to handle alla that other nasty pedestrian businesspretty much the same way. They're all crooked and they'll all lie.
Like I said though, if one or two of the less Constitutionally oriented judges decide the time has come to quit I will be smiling. You bet, eh hoser?
I just don't think they will as our dear brother Mr. Gates pointed out.
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"Well, regardless if any of the appointees sail through or have to run a guantlet of spitballs, they're gonna get through."
The Republicans don't have the majority necessary to stop a fillibuster. So, if the Democrats REALLY dislike a nominee, they can prevent a confirmation vote, albeit at a huge political cost.
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I started to say bad things but decided to hold off until we see how things go.
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Because now "conservative" feebs no longer have any liberal left boogeyman to hide behind or blame when things don't go their way.
Better start thinking of new excuses, the old ones just lost any validity they might have had.
I'll bet lying Ari Fleischer is sweating bullets thinking about the future whoppers he's going to have to come up with.
I could probably make a fortune if I packaged poop in a shiny wrapper and called it a "conservative" candy bar. :D
The Reagan/Bush years prove beyond a doubt some of you guys will swallow anything the so called conservative politicians feed you....you have so far.
Like a dog to his vomit, so returns a fool to his folly.
I wonder which descriptive buzzword the "conservative" swine in Washington will appropriate when the shine wears off the current term......and how many fools will still believe in them afterwards?
Originally posted by Tumor
Where the hell is weasel? :D
I'm thinkin he may be laid up in a hospital suffering from a serious head explosion at the latest news from the polls!
Tumor
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Like a dog to his vomit, so returns a fool to his folly.
Sorta like running Walter Mondale again?
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Assuming everything you state is true, explain Tuesday's elections. What was America trying to say? What are you saying about America?
Were the voters hypnotized by the lies of Bush et al?
Do you really believe claims of thugs barring blacks from voting?
Do you have no faith in the ability of people to vote for themselves?
Back in '92 and '96 I was sorely disappointed in America's choice, but it was clear it was America's choice. Now in 2002 I am again surprised at the results of an election, but I have to acknowledge this is what people wanted. It wasn't an Ari Fleischer lie that did it, either.
1. It was the Dems running to NJ court to bend election law (again)
2. It was Tom Daschle making an ill-advised orchestrated attack on Bush which turned disastrously awry when it became painfully obvious to even the most gullible voter that Daschle was acting wrecklessly irresponsibly on an issue he hadn't bothered to inform himself about
3. It was the Democratic rally/fundraiser/memorial service that really illuminated the true nature of the Democratic leadership in Minnesota
4. It was a DNC that failed in any material way to distance itself from the moderate-conservative agenda. The DNC was lead around, they couldn't seem to lead anywhere.
5. The perception the Dems were dragging their feet on homeland security and appointees
6. The inability of Dems to attack Repubs on corporate misconduct, mainly because the Dems were in just as deep
That's off the top of my head, but I could add a lot more if I really cared to try.
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Originally posted by weazel
...The Reagan/Bush years prove beyond a doubt some of you guys will swallow anything the so called conservative politicians feed you....
well put - the conservative support for the bush crew is as surprising as the liberal support for that scumbag clinton - i guess they're so happy to be rid of billc that that they're willing to support anything else.
to put it metaphoricly: they're happy eating horseshi+ because its not dogtoejam.
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Originally posted by Kieran
1. It was the Dems running to NJ court to bend election law (again)
2. It was Tom Daschle making an ill-advised orchestrated attack on Bush which turned disastrously awry when it became painfully obvious to even the most gullible voter that Daschle was acting wrecklessly irresponsibly on an issue he hadn't bothered to inform himself about
3. It was the Democratic rally/fundraiser/memorial service that really illuminated the true nature of the Democratic leadership in Minnesota
4. It was a DNC that failed in any material way to distance itself from the moderate-conservative agenda. The DNC was lead around, they couldn't seem to lead anywhere.
5. The perception the Dems were dragging their feet on homeland security and appointees
6. The inability of Dems to attack Repubs on corporate misconduct, mainly because the Dems were in just as deep
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Keiran... I still think your a jackball, but I suddenly feel very close to you buddy!
Tumor
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Originally posted by Kieran
Assuming everything you state is true, explain Tuesday's elections. What was America trying to say? What are you saying about America?
I'm saying it doesn't matter which party people vote for...nothing will change as far as government goes....as theres not a damn bit of difference between the two.
Were the voters hypnotized by the lies of Bush et al?
Some people seem to be.
Do you really believe claims of thugs barring blacks from voting?
Not aware of this, must have been reported by Faux News?
Do you have no faith in the ability of people to vote for themselves?
I have no faith in the swine either party chooses as candidates.
Back in '92 and '96 I was sorely disappointed in America's choice, but it was clear it was America's choice. Now in 2002 I am again surprised at the results of an election, but I have to acknowledge this is what people wanted. It wasn't an Ari Fleischer lie that did it, either.
Your in for another disappointment if you believe any substantial difference will result with the present change in the governments make up.
1. It was the Dems running to NJ court to bend election law (again)
2. It was Tom Daschle making an ill-advised orchestrated attack on Bush which turned disastrously awry when it became painfully obvious to even the most gullible voter that Daschle was acting wrecklessly irresponsibly on an issue he hadn't bothered to inform himself about
3. It was the Democratic rally/fundraiser/memorial service that really illuminated the true nature of the Democratic leadership in Minnesota
4. It was a DNC that failed in any material way to distance itself from the moderate-conservative agenda. The DNC was lead around, they couldn't seem to lead anywhere.
5. The perception the Dems were dragging their feet on homeland security and appointees
6. The inability of Dems to attack Repubs on corporate misconduct, mainly because the Dems were in just as deep.
I especially like number 6, you illustrate my opinion very well, and admit theres no difference between the two.
It's time to kick both of the political potatos out of Washington.
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First act of the new GOP dynasty:
Outlaw and deport Hillary Clinton!
New motto of the GOP dynasty:
All your elected positions are belong to us!
Now, maybe all my salary will not be taken in taxes to support the liberal causes. No longer will we provide financial incentive to women to live on welfare and continue to reproduce without any viable means of financial support (other than suck my salary away in taxes).
Let us not repeat the Mariel boat lift, lets not fail to act positively towards those who would do us harm.
dago
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Originally posted by weazel
It's time to kick both of the political potatos out of Washington.
amen
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Originally posted by malloc
amen
what do you think would replace them?
given time, whoever would just be another bunch of painted ladies
power corrupts
lesser of two evils, I think we have it now
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Honestly no, I don't expect a great deal of difference. Status quo for the most part. I have already stated the Repubs face a very real possibility of reversal of fortune next round, because while the perception of control is there, the reality of it isn't to the degree to make sweeping change that people may expect from such a perception. Then again, maybe the middle is the best place to be, and right now that is what wins in America. If so, the Dems will have to be more middle to win next time. Can't say I know how to do that.
In reality I was reacting to your comments concerning "Republican excuses". If a divided and heavily partisan Congress isn't a good excuse for not passing legislation, what is? The needle has moved almost imperceptibly right- is it enough? What can really be accomplished on such a slim majority? Only time will tell.
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Originally posted by Nash
Very shortly the Republicans will be the very essence of Big Government. The establishment.
I disagree with your viewpoint.To create what the public views as useless bureaucratic government entities would be a sure way to lose the next election.
ONLY in respect to national security will they expand (homeland security)..can't blame them there..we've been far to soft on our borders and who we let in, 9/11 woke us up.