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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: AKcurly on November 07, 2002, 01:12:01 AM
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Old topic, many solutions - all unsatisfactory to HTC, otherwise they would have implemented it.
The current main arena isn't as much fun as it used to be. Typical nightime (US time zones) numbers for the last two months have looked like this: Knights: 180, Bishops: 140, Rooks: 80.
Frequently during the daytime, the bishops will have larger numbers. Occasionally (not often), the rooks will have a large group at night.
HTC has given us a solution to this problem. It's called the "change country" button.
Folks, the main arena is precisely as much fun as we make it - no more or less.
We need a medium size squad to move from the bishops to the rooks and a large squad to move from the knights to the rooks. By medium squad, I mean a squad around 30 members; by large squad, I mean 40-60 members. Yeah, yeah, I know about the 32 participant limit, but several squads have found ways around this.
If your squad fits this description and you're interested, contact me via e-mail (see my profile) and we'll try to coordinate something.
curly
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I, personally, am going to Rook in the next couple days. I'm trying to get my squad to vote to see what they want to do. If they vote yes, we'll be your 'medium' squad, I think.
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Good idea, because number inballance is making game less interesting. When I am online bishops usually has number advantage, and I almost stopped playing for strat and making mission. Win itself has no value, if gained without competition.
I was with rooks resently, only way which can help is 8-10 good strat squads flying for them, at least for some short time, around 2-3 months.
I disagree about the way you suggest to do it though. I think all squads shall move to rooks, because to ballance numbers you really need a big move, not all people who switch stay online long, so 32 people squad is +4 averagely to side number around the day. So I think all squads which want to switch shall switch to rooks.
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Can the game be set to not let one team have more than 5 more pilots than the next? This way you are not tied to one team, you just go to the lesser team.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Can the game be set to not let one team have more than 5 more pilots than the next? This way you are not tied to one team, you just go to the lesser team.
No. And it can't work that way. Squad members will want to fly together.
curly
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Originally posted by Fariz
Good idea, because number inballance is making game less interesting.
I disagree about the way you suggest to do it though. I think all squads shall move to rooks, because to ballance numbers you really need a big move, not all people who switch stay online long, so 32 people squad is +4 averagely to side number around the day. So I think all squads which want to switch shall switch to rooks.
Good, Fariz. And yes, you're probably right about the numbers. The AKs run around 32 total members, but nightly participation is around 6-10 probably.
So yes, it's going to take more than one average (6-10 participants) and one large (12-20) participants to balance the teams.
But, we should plan the switches. We don't want to end up with 80 knights, 120 bishops and 160 rooks or we're right back where we started.
If you are a rotating squad and you're reading this, would you please consider flying rook for a month or two?
curly
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I'd switch to Rooks but I already did a couple months ago and I refuse to clone myself :)
J_A_B
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I understand country loyalty, but I don't understand why folks don't want to switch to rooks. How fun is it playing a game where you are already aware of the ultimate outcome with 90% accuracy(at least as far as resets go)? I'm not talking to those knuckleheads that fly over a massacre of rooks in their 262's lol.
The rooks tend to fly less missions yes, but they are much more cooperative as a group than the other two teams..not because they are better pilots but out of the necessity of survival. Anyway, there are some great sticks and awesome people on rooks so come on over! (I can't speak for Shane but I am trying to be less of an bellybutton than I normally am so I don't drive anyone away)
We do need several squads to come over, this will make the game more fun for those squads and the rest of the MA as well. We rooks are running out of "positive" ideas. There is a movement in rooks for EVERY rook squad to switch sides at the end of the tour so there will basically only be 2 sides. You are probably thinking "Ya, like that could happen" Well, you're right it PROBABLY won't..but my point is that many rooks are not enjoying the game as is and they feel that they must do something since the obvious solution of getting some bodies from other teams, isn't working. I, . I'm a whiner, but I also fight for rooks down to thew last base.. I don't wait for the reset in the tower..I fly to the bitter, and very predictable, end. Improve everyone's enjoyment of the game.. come to rooks!
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Originally posted by Steve
but they are much more cooperative as a group than the other two teams...
Not anywhere close to truth. Rooks has no team playing at all, they have very bad strat understanding of map, and very limmited communication on a country channel. Bishops 10 times better when it comes to team play, at least at euro time.
I was with rooks, with my usual practise of going ahead, deacking field, then asking for jabo. It ended with me alone over field with no support till I am out of fuel or ammo. I know what you will say "numbers... we all busy defending other fields..." but it is not a case. 80% of rooks were engagned in attacking isolated field wich has no value, while losing the strat important field. It happens with all countries, but if in others you can explain situation and get support, with rooks you can explain it during hours, and be just ignored. I made 3 mission with rooks, 2 were successful, with 5-7 people in them only, last one I canceled it, because NO ONE joined. Then I gave up, as I said, only good strat playing squads can change situation there.
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Fariz, you had a bad experience it sounds like.. but "not anywhere close the truth" is bull. Be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.
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First of all, I want to thank all you guys joining Rookland as of lately. It's nice to see somebody actually disagrees with the constant gangbang that MA has become to Rooks, and shows it with facts.
Second, I appreciate this kind of post, for it's positive focus. I think it's absolutely useless to whine about something as evident as Rook numbers. I ask here to stop all the whinning about numbers. The point has been made, and now it's time to solutions.
At the time being, we are already on a "de facto" 2 sides arena, in 2 stages. First, Knights and Bishops put Rooks in the corner, down to 3-4 bases and no radar (2 side war, Rook vs. Rest...fast and painful :D). Second stage, they fite against each other to decide the reset. While Rooks have a momentary relief, it's only the prelude for the bitter end. (2 side war, Knights vs Bish, Rooks on the cage ;))
As I said times and times before, I don't personally care about numbers. It's hard to stand sometimes, and It can get to your nerves quite easy, but It's a rewarding feeling. Every current Rook (wether it be "permanent" or "walk-on") knows that Rookland is the hardest country to fly for. That feeling is high on my list of priorities when playing AH.
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Hey, flying Rook is mucho fun! We have plenty of targets, you don't have to fly far to look for a fight, and we have recently instituted PBJ night! Every Friday night, I forgo flying and sit in the OC making Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches for all the Rooks. Up, get shot down, grab a PBJ, up, get shot down ... you get the picture :). Thanks for the note Curly, any constructive discussions and ideas are great!
Cya Up!
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52nd Kiwi (the squad I belong to) moved to Rooks yesterday.
We have 30 members from around the world.
I hope this helps :)
palef
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Thanks for all your mature considerations and offers of help. It is much needed, and with a little luck(and maybe some more whining ;) ) we may yet get a little sunshine in Rookland after all..!
Big, warm to all those who offered to change to Rooks to help out. True, past months the Rooks may have been so obsessed with survival that our mentality as a whole may have drifted away from carefully planned strategical gameplay. However with the offers of help I'm convinced the Rooks will appreciate it and try to change their ways as well.
Thanks again!
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i really don't understand what the problem is , last night the knights ignored the outnumbered rooks and attacked the bish and reset the bish.
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Hi
After many years in AW, some time in FA, WB and now AH. It looks to me its not the number of players per side thats the cause of the sides to become unbalance...
But the number of sides in the arena. I always wanted to try an two sided, full plane set arena. I think that would be the best way to balance the arena.
CAV
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Hitech has a new plan to deal with this.
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The comment was made that Rooks have no teamwork....not true. I spent 90% of my time one night flying a C-47 in an effort to keep our radar up at HQ. When a flight of bombers came over and completely destroyed it, one call got me 5 other C-47's within five minutes. Once Hq was secure it was on to capturing a number of enemy bases and back into fighters.
Cage
VMF-27 Blackcats
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funny how many excuses guys have for not switching to rooks. why arent the aks and fariz there already?
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Originally posted by Virage
funny how many excuses guys have for not switching to rooks. why arent the aks and fariz there already?
Well.....One of our guys complained that he'd have to bathe after every day with the rooks and he only bathes monthly now. :p
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Originally posted by TheCage
The comment was made that Rooks have no teamwork....not true.
VMF-27 Blackcats
I agree. I have drifted to the Rooks during the past few months off and on when they needed help - the first few times I was very disapointed - no check 6 calls, no communication - hell there was more Channel 1 text than Country text. Oh, and seeing HISPD or kbman in green was causing sensory overload. :D
Lately however, me and my squaddies have gone over from night to night to help out and find it a different situation - the Rooks operate fairly efficiently. No squeaking - good people - everyone helping. It just seems like a more mature group of people - dunno why. I dont think my squad will be moving to the Rooks any time soon, if at all, but we help out when its needed.
Edit: Oh, and Curly - bravo. I wish there were more constructive posts on the BBS like this one. :)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well.....One of our guys complained that he'd have to bathe after every day with the rooks and he only bathes monthly now. :p
C'mon, don't feel embarrased...we will accept help even from odorous pilots :D
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Originally posted by Turbot
Hitech has a new plan to deal with this.
Ok, you can't go off and say something like this without telling us what it is.:eek:
It's like telling a 10 minute joke and stopping just before the punch line.:rolleyes:
Booky
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Our squad (332nd vikings) swiched from knits to rooks 6 months ago, but after 4 months and several drinks, we swiched back to knits.
Although there where some very good and funny people on the rook side, they did not seem to have any sort of team-work. To often we would hear some guy scream "vulch light on at Axx" and the entire country would go to that field to get an easy kill
:D
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Originally posted by Virage
funny how many excuses guys have for not switching to rooks. why arent the aks and fariz there already?
I was with rooks as oesau. I would stay with them if not my squad. Anyway, If you think we need excuses to switch or not to switch, you are wrong. I am personally not paid by rooks, and not owe them anything to look for excuses.
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Nilsen I've heard the same thing.. been rooks for a couple months... people seem to be working together better than they were in the past(from what I've heard)
We could use some good squads and some people who really take charge and form up missions. I've only been in the game for about 3 months so I'm not really the guy to be stepping up.. one day though :)
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Skuzzy has hinted that ht has a side balancing plan in the works but has offered no details.
Within my squad we are currently discussing whether or not to move to rooks. We really arent worried about the numbers per se but their are a number of issues that are left over from our last switch.
I agree with Curly that the main and everything about ah is only as good or bad as the players make it. No one should tell you where what and when you should fly. But anyone who has looked at the numbers can see that the situation the rooks are in now is different then just being in the bucket. How it ended up like this no one knows but those in ah that are concerned about the impact on gameplay due to oneside being consistantly gangbaged into reset should really take a look at making the switch.
I know that its not an easy descision. In my own squad its not easy for us.
Theres only 17 of us and we wont make the difference. Its up to all of the players to decide what kind of a main we want.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
We need a medium size squad to move from the bishops to the rooks and a large squad to move from the knights to the rooks.
Who, exactly, is this "we"? The Rooks, the game community as a whole, or the Bishop-based AKs?
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Switched to rooks this morning, can't speak for all of JG 2 but looking like we might head rooks for at least a trial.
Totally agree the numbers thing has been off for waaayyy too long.
On a side note: My SA is already gettin a workout, lol :P.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Not anywhere close to truth. Rooks has no team playing at all, they have very bad strat understanding of map, and very limmited communication on a country channel. Bishops 10 times better when it comes to team play, at least at euro time.
I was with rooks, with my usual practise of going ahead, deacking field, then asking for jabo. It ended with me alone over field with no support till I am out of fuel or ammo. I know what you will say "numbers... we all busy defending other fields..." but it is not a case. 80% of rooks were engagned in attacking isolated field wich has no value, while losing the strat important field. It happens with all countries, but if in others you can explain situation and get support, with rooks you can explain it during hours, and be just ignored. I made 3 mission with rooks, 2 were successful, with 5-7 people in them only, last one I canceled it, because NO ONE joined. Then I gave up, as I said, only good strat playing squads can change situation there.
Exactly why I left Rooks!!!
well said Fariz:D
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Originally posted by Urchin
I, personally, am going to Rook in the next couple days. I'm trying to get my squad to vote to see what they want to do. If they vote yes, we'll be your 'medium' squad, I think.
It was a treat to fly with Urchin last evening. Several of us, including Steve, Manx, MiniD, FINNS and others fought for hours at A5.
Yeah, the numbers were still lopsided, and we were frequently out-numbered by a few, but we beat back the waves of fighters, bombers, ground vehicles and PTs without any great difficulty.
Urchin flew a P-38 among others, MiniD was in a P-40E, FINNS in a Hurricane IIC and I had my favorite furballer, the SBD-5.
It was nice to have Urchin with us. I think he enjoyed himself.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Elysian
Switched to rooks this morning, can't speak for all of JG 2 but looking like we might head rooks for at least a trial.
Totally agree the numbers thing has been off for waaayyy too long.
On a side note: My SA is already gettin a workout, lol :P.
I switched over too this am but didn't fly yet (was at work). Looking from the tower yeah looks like we got our work cut out for us.
My only reservation about the whole thing is now I am flying on the same side with the guys who have always accused me of cheating. Well maybe they they will see the truth now :)
Anyway you know what is goign to happen next - the knights will be outnumbered again (like last time we did this - search the history threads) and bishops will be as huge as ever.
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I switched to Rooks a couple weeks ago. Along with the switch, and inspired by Widewing, I've decided to fly on the C.205 for the remainder of this tour and adopt a very strict "fly smart" policy. So far I am 12 and 2 in the C.205, the 2 coming from violations of the "flying smart" (*1) rule. Not much for most around here it seems like, but remarkably good for me.
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- Just because the F6F is smoking and engine out doesn't mean you get to ignore him just yet.
- Didn't realize that the Hurricane IIC was pointed *at* me until I saw the tracers. Need to make allowances until December when I gift myself with a new video card, the 32mb Radeon isn't cutting in anymore.
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Originally posted by HFMudd
- Didn't realize that the Hurricane IIC was pointed *at* me until I saw the tracers. Need to make allowances until December when I gift myself with a new video card, the 32mb Radeon isn't cutting in anymore.
Afraid a new video card won't help there unless you mean your resolution was too low to see the Hurricane. Network lag is what causes planes to appear oriented differently from your perspective then that of it's pilot. Been killed many times thinking he didn't have the shot.
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THE AK's ARE JOINING THE ROOKS?
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Originally posted by boxboy28
THE AK's ARE JOINING THE ROOKS?
Yes, for how long remains to be seen but I flew rook just a while ago.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Who, exactly, is this "we"? The Rooks, the game community as a whole, or the Bishop-based AKs?
When I said that, gofaster, I was referring to the AH community. And of course, it's my opinion, not necessarily a fact. :)
curly
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I'd switch to Rooks but I already did a couple months ago and I refuse to clone myself :)
J_A_B
J_A_B cant you reconsider, We need another you. Your clone would need another name, perhaps J-A-B.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
me and my squaddies have gone over from night to night to help out and find it a different situation - the Rooks operate fairly efficiently. No squeaking - good people - everyone helping. I dont think my squad will be moving to the Rooks any time soon, if at all, but we help out when its needed.
Mazz,
I would personaly like to extend an invitation for the The Flying Circus to come and fly Rook. I would love to fly side by side with you guys. The Cactus Air Force always considers a bit of bond with your guys because Vati was once part of our squad. During Midway, Shamus was even grouped with the CAF for this very reason.
I can understand country loyalty and can see why it would be difficult to make a change, But know you would recieved with a strong welcome if The Flying Circus wanted to give it a try with the rooks.
Please Forward this invitation to your squad on my behalf
Grimm
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Many in my squad dont want to switch sides, & others do. We all agree that its all or nothing as a squad switch so we will stay Bish. But I'm glad to see that there will be more 3 front battles on. Ive never been a fan of the co-op play, 2 countries Vs 1 is just as bad as unbalanced numbers. So heres to even numbers & 3 front wars!
Anton:cool:
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On behalf of the Rooks.........and the NAZGUL.....(a few of them might kick me)
Let me be the first to say and welcome to the rooks.
I my self look forword to flying with you guys instead of against you.
and as DOCTORNO (or what ever his name is) said look at the kill states for a country , I hope you boy can help us improve that!
AK's and welcome to the rooks
Box ;)
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Originally posted by Grimm
J_A_B cant you reconsider, We need another you. Your clone would need another name, perhaps J-A-B.
how silly... it'd be J/A/B of course!!!
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Thanks Boxboy, looking forward to flying with you folks.
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Just avoid Goth ..he smells of B.O. and dirty socks.
xBAT
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"J_A_B cant you reconsider, We need another you. "
I ran this suggestion past my girlfriend, but she insists that the world most definately does NOT need another one of me :)
Shane....if I were to clone myself, wouldn't my clone name itself something stupid, like ooJABoo or something of the sort?
J_A_B
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Thanks to all the squads who are helping in Rook land. Making a change to improve the game for everyone is a cool thing. You giving us a real chance in the fight and I hope you will have a good time while you are here. There are good folks and bad folks, some who cooperate and some who don't. Kind of like RL. Again, thanks. Thanks Curly for the post.
VolzCAF - Cactus Air Force
Ready, Fire, Aim
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Originally posted by Fariz
Not anywhere close to truth. Rooks has no team playing at all, they have very bad strat understanding of map, and very limmited communication on a country channel. Bishops 10 times better when it comes to team play, at least at euro time.
I was with rooks, with my usual practise of going ahead, deacking field, then asking for jabo. It ended with me alone over field with no support till I am out of fuel or ammo. I know what you will say "numbers... we all busy defending other fields..." but it is not a case. 80% of rooks were engagned in attacking isolated field wich has no value, while losing the strat important field. It happens with all countries, but if in others you can explain situation and get support, with rooks you can explain it during hours, and be just ignored. I made 3 mission with rooks, 2 were successful, with 5-7 people in them only, last one I canceled it, because NO ONE joined. Then I gave up, as I said, only good strat playing squads can change situation there.
Fariz, do us a favor and just stay bishops... I probably get better trying to kill you and learn from my mistakes:D
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rooks are generally a lot more fun to fite than bish. They are better pilots and they engage even if they don't have 2-10/1 odds.. they also don't send their pledges in on suicide jabo runs and then clean up the easy pickings. I is rare to find a good fight against bish.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
...I is rare to find a good fight against bish. ...
lazs
I disagree....sorta.
You only have to find enough of them at a given spot. What skill can't do, numbers can.....and numbers is usually not a problem in Bishland. Besides that, killing bishes is very rewarding: you kill them all, and you bag a lot of perks! :D
Cheers,
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No pepe.... with bish you have to look helpless... convince them that they can engage you because they have a huge advantage.
lazs
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I'd like to congratulate the AK's moving rooks..even for a few weeks or so...was a damned honorable thing to do--those guys have been Bish for at least the 2 years or so ive been playing AH...that move didnt come lightly.
But what DID come lightly are all the guys who poofed to the larger countries in the last few months and only made things worse...(the same guys we often find vulching our last 2-3 fields any given night)
Regarding rooks..no teamwork, etc... depending on day..when it is a combined 350 against our 75...folks often just give up on the strat thing at times and pick a small winnable, though insignificant fight--at least some pleasure can be gotten out of the game that way. Doesnt do anythin to delay the reset, but that would happen anyhow with such low #'s. Looks like this mebbe history though, which will be to everyone's benefit.
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But still the squads from Knight and Bish, such as the JG.2 and the AKs have made quite some difference. At least playing in the MA is not that frustrating and hectic as it used to be. They've made a brave choice, and the Rooks salute and appreciate your decision with a warm welcome.
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Fariz, your toejam stinks the worst out of everyone. Oh yeah, keep your La-5 dweeb bellybutton excuses to yourself Fariz. "He who questions a person's integrity is jealous of the accused." No further comment.
No Teamwork?!! Hmm, every country has the same issues. Go ahead and lie to us guys. The Knights and Bishops are the PERFECT sides? roadkill. I have PERSONALLY participated in many thwarted attempts with fellow Rooks at "base captures". They have resembled the Sioux (Rooks) driving the Bison (cough, cough) off of cliffs. I have witnessed a toejamload of stupid "tactics" from Knights and Bishes alike. Come on you lame brains, keep marching the bullet-riddled "No Teamwork" flag, Pathetic.
What makes it better is when the 75 rook average wins a reset. That SHOULD NOT HAPPEN, don't preach to me about "lack of teamwork". 200 bish and knight average (it is higher) can't stop 75? Alot of you are so introverted to realize the truth when "our lack of teamwork" begins with you
Now, AKcurly. to you for posting and joining the Rooks for a bit. The Flying Cicus came over to Rooks a few weeks ago and flew with the NAZGUL. Saw Nimitz on tonight, was great.
AKIron, I am going to miss busting your balls after getting shot down or shooting you down, it was all in good fun.
to the rest of you: Turbot, Urchin, and the others who have switched to assist. You have cajones, the rest have excuses.
Karaya2
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First Off <
> To All The Sticks That Came Over To Rooks To Help Out.
I For One Thank You Very Much, It's Nice To See A Number Increase.
Also I Noticed Since The Numbers Are A Bit Higher Now Missions Seem To Have A Little More Attendence.
Possiblly Due To The Fact We Have More Players, Now People Will Be More Relaxed And Able To Join A Mission Instead Of Running Around Like Chickens With Their Heads Cut Off Defending.
I Flew With Lazer The Other Nite And He Posted A Mission Or 2 And It Took A Few Minutes For Most Rooks To Realize That We Have A Decent Amount Of People And Its OK To Join It.
All That Were On This Mission Seemed To Have Had A Great Time We Got The Job Done Fairly Quickly, I For One Am Not Used To Seeing This Except On The Other End.
I Feel That This Will Increase As Time Goes On And More Missions Will Be Posted And Participated In.
Don't Get All Aggrivated At Us Rooks For Our Hesitation To Join Missions As We Are Used To Taking A Big Hit While Sitting In A Tower Waiting To Start.
I'm Hoping That The Fresh Faces And Realizing We Can Start To Become A Little More Offencive Will Set In Quickly.
Again Thanks To All The Guys That Switched Over, For However Long You Decide To Stay I'm Sure It's Safe To Say We ALL Appriciate It.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Not anywhere close to truth. Rooks has no team playing at all, they have very bad strat understanding of map, and very limmited communication on a country channel. Bishops 10 times better when it comes to team play, at least at euro time.
Gee Whiz, Fariz didn't you get the Rook handbook? And I quote:
"We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more..."
If you'd simply submitted your requests for a Jabo in triplicate through the proper channels, I'm sure we could have gotten you an answer within two or three weeks.
(Order, eh -- who does he think he is? The King of the Britons?)
- Seagoon
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The more things change.....
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does anyone besides me find the last 2 quotes by lazs (near bottom of page 1) to be quite amusing and highly ironic?:rolleyes:
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lol shane, good catch.
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LOL! ... this is exactly the post I was looking for when I posted about lazs "rotation"
Thanks Shane! :D
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Yes... I have noticed that whatever team has the huge numbers advantage flies timidly. I guess it has to do with... "hey, it would be dumb to get killed when there are so many places to vultch" mentality...
Now that the rooks have the huge advantage they have become timid and the bish can relax and just have fun.
must be a real burden to have the numbers advantage. I didn't realize how much stress it put on some of the "members" of the advantaged country... look at the other thread on stats to prove my point... the current huge advantage holder (rooks) has it's highly stressed players doing all sorts of gyrations to justify their actions.
so... when you have the numbers advantage... use it... come in in a mob and come in high. If you see any fight developing... use some of your extra 20 or so players to overbalance it. If you fly alt in fast planes.... it is paradise... 10 to 1 that your weight of numbers have gotten all the enemy low and (just as important) slow so that you can bravely dive in, take your shot, and ru... er... "egress" bravely... If the fight is really lopsided you may even be able to get low and sorta slow yourself... yu can give the impression of "fighting" in your uber plane when really..... you know that those other planes are to busy to chase yu out of the fight... and too slow.
lazs
lazs
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I realize most of this thread discusses squads flying in one country or the other but,
would giving 5 perk points, maybe 10, to those that switch to the low number country help?
Squads will fly as a group for what ever country they choose. The new/other players might migrate if they have the opportunity to get some quick perks. Others might do the same.
The perks would only be available until the low number country is no longer low.
Sorry if it was suggested before, its monday, have not had all my coffee yet.
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uhhh you're like waaaaaaay behind on the times. the solution to help numbers "balance" was the implementation of the perk-multiplier.
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Doh! Was wondering why it sounded familar.
Putting the Dweeb jacket back on.
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I am a rook and have been for the year and a half that I have been playing this game. I have read the whole forum here and I have just a couple things to say..
1. Ok I cant tell you how many time I have heard, or have said, Axx about to get slammed. I see lots of my Rook buddies up and defend MASSIVE missions put on by the bish and Knit. I think the rooks are down right relentless about defending their bases. To this i throw a big (S) to all my rook brothers. It seems I end up just blowing my score (im a score potato) every month trying to defend my bases. See a trend here, we are always defending..Well it seems. I only have like 6 base captures this month(Jan) I really would love to see that number go up.
2. Missions: Any rook ou there knows I am always asking "Who is flying missions?" The answer is usually no one. I would like to see this get better. As the knights and Bish show, overwelming numbers make a big differance. I would love to fly more big missions, but no one seems to plan this way. A squad and a few stragalers usually all you have working over a base. This is m fault too. My mouse works, I can submit missions too. I would love to see more leadership(well, people stepping up that is). Vast numbers and overwelming firepower takes bases. Sometimes the NOE fast raid works, but a big mission of pony's 110's, and 38's will distroy the defending chance. I hate saying over country "axx" vulchlight on. Heck, even I want to drop what I am doing and get some kills. It is my goal to not give into temptation and continue whatever dweeb BS I am doing at the time.
3. I love getting kills just like the next guy, but I thought the object of the game was to win. Take bases and reset the map. I would love to fly with about 20-30 guys with only that goal in mind. Just take bases. I like to furball and strat just like the next guy, but if I could find some other guys to join me and my squad we can take some bases. Now a rest is a quick 20 or so perkies..
I know everyone pays their 15 bucks and you can do what ever you want to. I am going to spend the next month, not caring about my score(see above) and just take bases. Me and my squad are on alot. If you run a mission, I will join.. Thanks to the guys for going rook to help us out..
SkipNutz
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Still tryin' to wash off that rook stenc...er....odor. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Yes... I have noticed that whatever team has the huge numbers advantage flies timidly. I guess it has to do with... "hey, it would be dumb to get killed when there are so many places to vultch" mentality...
Now that the rooks have the huge advantage they have become timid and the bish can relax and just have fun.
must be a real burden to have the numbers advantage. I didn't realize how much stress it put on some of the "members" of the advantaged country... look at the other thread on stats to prove my point... the current huge advantage holder (rooks) has it's highly stressed players doing all sorts of gyrations to justify their actions.
so... when you have the numbers advantage... use it... come in in a mob and come in high. If you see any fight developing... use some of your extra 20 or so players to overbalance it. If you fly alt in fast planes.... it is paradise... 10 to 1 that your weight of numbers have gotten all the enemy low and (just as important) slow so that you can bravely dive in, take your shot, and ru... er... "egress" bravely... If the fight is really lopsided you may even be able to get low and sorta slow yourself... yu can give the impression of "fighting" in your uber plane when really..... you know that those other planes are to busy to chase yu out of the fight... and too slow.
lazs
lazs
You got some statistics to back up your contention that Rooks vastly outnumber anyone? I play at various times of the day and night, numbers are a dead heat most times, and with the exception of just before a reset or Rooks RJO night there's less than a 10% difference in numbers between one country and another.
Btw, Lazs for someone who has 6,000 forum posts you sure don't fly very much, and when you do you don't seem to do too well. You flew a total of 8 hours the entire month of January, you spent more time posting than flying. Maybe try not talking the talk before you can walk the walk .
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Zazen
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Originally posted by T1loady
3. I love getting kills just like the next guy, but I thought the object of the game was to win. Take bases and reset the map. I would love to fly with about 20-30 guys with only that goal in mind. Just take bases. I like to furball and strat just like the next guy, but if I could find some other guys to join me and my squad we can take some bases. Now a rest is a quick 20 or so perkies..
SkipNutz
SkipNutz, this is an old, punted post. The rooks have had superior numbers for months. And no, the point of the game isn't to win - it's to have fun. And you can have fun w/o winning as the Bishop side can attest since our numbers have been in the toilet for a long time now.
curly
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Yea i Know it was punted,(well not really) but like I said, I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. Trying to rally guys to fly together more... I hate that this (except the numbers thing) is still the same....I would really like to see more missions and more joint ops.( Muti squad nights working together. Maybe I am just in my own little world and I am totally wrong..
Skip
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I've been planning to move the Legion to the Rooks as a continuation of the "see how the other side lives" tour. We switch to Knights for the August Campaign.
Personally though, during our normal hours of operation, 12 to 4:30 am (PST) the numbers don't reflect the same problems as the daytime and evening (PST) time slots. There have been times when the Rooks outnumber everyone atleast 2:1 (thats total numbers Bishops and Knights). Lately the Knights have had really strong numbers.
My moving the squad has nothing to do with balance, compared to the Bishops (when we flew with them), the Knights and Rooks are great "bad examples." This has helped a lot while getting my squad, which is mostly new folks, up to speed.
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Originally posted by empty
I've been planning to move the Legion to the Rooks as a continuation of the "see how the other side lives" tour. We switch to Knights for the August Campaign.
No need. I'll tell you: no matter what lazs say, a real Rook is an undisciplined, anarchycal, individualistic furballer (both the tnb or the bnz sub-types). We (if I may say so) luv to take off from caped bases, HOing skill impaired vulchers. We like the fight, we care nothing about land capture. We don't like "missuns" (hence the lack of them in Rookland). We tend to fight bishops better than Knits. We find them yummy.
We are on temporary hold, because numbers do not allow to show our true nature, but give us time. We will overcome this situation and retrieve our "bucket seat" as we are used to....Bishops 2x, Knits 1'25x, Rooks 1x. Here is where the fun begins. :D
When all this dust settles, you will (again) find the very nature of AH countries: Bishops are the herd. Large devastating "missuns" with huge attrition figures for their own forces, only sustainable thanks to their habitual numbers. Knits are hi flyers, almost always flying in packs, usually well coordinated. Some say they are boring to fite. Maybe, they sure are challenging. And we (Rooks) are a bunch of uncoordinated, furball-oriented guys. Usually without radar. What's radar good for, anyway? :p
Oh well....maybe I should fly
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best solution to balancing sides is to ally.
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Originally posted by Hap
best solution to balancing sides is to ally.
This is silly IMO... Game play? Not in the least. In the best intrest of the country? Nope. Would I trust the other countrywho I allie with? Yeah right. Why should I not trust them? Because its war.
How this thread that started back in November of 2002 got started again Im not all that sure of. Frankly, I think the Rooks have had many more numbers at night lately then any other country. Bish seem to be lacking in #'s more so than any other country. Our squad, not a large one at all, 14 members, moved to Bishop for the new tour because of this big difference in numbers at night. It wont even out the numbers all that much more but every little bit helps.
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well zazen.. maybe the rooks didn't have a huge numbers advantage prime time this tour except the 5 or six nights I was up. They certainly did the previous tours prime time. As for my score? I'm not very good but... grab a FM2 and mix it up in the places I do and I bet you don't last long... in fact... I bet you can't even beat someone as lazy and out of practice as me in a real furball.
laazs
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LMAO I dont know what the hell US time zone you fly in
but when Im flying typicallyUS EST 9PM -1AM its usually the rooks and/or bish outnumber Knights.
I do agree one one thing though. a better arena balancing system needs to be put in place.
I have ALWAYS thought the 3 country system was a really bad idea. All it does is encourage the two stronger countries to gang up on the 1 weakest country in a race to see who can take the most bases.
Leaving the weakest country to try to either desperately try to defend against both or to pick its poison.
While the two strong countries fight each other just barely enough to create a stalemate along its borders with one another.
While the original idea behind the 3 country idea may be that the two weak countries will gang against the 1 strong country I dont think there will be much arguement that thats not what usually happens.
People tend to naturally follow the philosophy of following the path of least resistance.
I've always been in favor of a 2 country system. the worst that would happen is one side ganging up on the other which numbers wise would be about what we have now.
But I think that would wear off simply because folks want people to fight againstand a numbers shift and self balancing would naturally would occur.
Otherwise whats the point in playing.
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would be fine to have 3s even up, but still i will refuse to fly on sunday nights due to rook steamrolling never any fun when you have 300 plus just on one side alone. seen it to many times so now i dont fly sunday nights.
but then i understand rook joint ops, i think bish and knights should have them also.
but then i also agree that when #s get rediculous other 2 sides ally to counter it.
i think there should be a # limits for each side and instead of 12 hr wait when you switch sides, like lot of score potatos and noobs do, there should be a week
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That fact that this thread is from November, 2002 should show us all how dynamic this game really is.
Each side has its horde night.
Every side has Alt-Monkeys.
Every side has HO'ers.
Every side has score potatos.....
and so on.. and so on... blah blah blah.... ZzZzZzZZzzzzzzzzz...
Wha! What?? Oh sorry, dozed off.....
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Sadist, you and I need to talk. When are you usually on?
Anyway to get private messages accross?
DREDIOCK
"To inflict pain for any other reason then to give pleasure is the only true perversion"- Marquis De Sade
Originally posted by Sadist
would be fine to have 3s even up, but still i will refuse to fly on sunday nights due to rook steamrolling never any fun when you have 300 plus just on one side alone. seen it to many times so now i dont fly sunday nights.
but then i understand rook joint ops, i think bish and knights should have them also.
but then i also agree that when #s get rediculous other 2 sides ally to counter it.
i think there should be a # limits for each side and instead of 12 hr wait when you switch sides, like lot of score potatos and noobs do, there should be a week