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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mrfish on November 08, 2002, 11:01:01 AM
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i passed a crazy guy yesterday as i was walking down the sidewalk - he was standing in a church doorway smoking, walking around in circles and waiting for it to open so he could get a handout and yelling insults at the passers-by.
i walked on as i always do with vagrants but he kept yelling so i made the mistake of turning around.
once he saw this he said 'yeah you mother-f----' and reached into his pocket and got a knife.
he came after me with the knife - backing me up by lunging - i taunted him into dropping it asking him if he felt he needed a knife - he actually did drop it and come after me flailing.
some lady yelled "i'm calling the cops" so he grabbed his knife and ran.
to the sfpd's credit they had 7 cars on-site in less that 4 minutes.
here's the thing:
they caught him with the knife and he admitted attacking me - so what'd they do? they gave him a citation to go to court, if convicted he could get fined.......fined?!
and that's ONLY because i agreed to sign a complaint (even with him standing there still yelling at me in handcuffs), otherwise they'd have cut him free right there. he also had outstanding warrants but they weren't enough (in dollars) to bring him in.
going after someone with a knife doesn't land you in jail and neither does stealing 5k from sax - what does? maybe if he'd had a gram of coke or something they'd have locked him up.
what's going on - if there's no consequences why don't we all just arm ourselves to the teeth and have at it - unreal
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You should have taken justice into your own hands -- kung fu style.
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Then you could have shot him..
Though the best bet would to be keep walking unless he really was a threat or was going to hurt someone else.
I say this somewhat jokingly, but who is to say this same bum does not rape or attack a women?
He really should be in jail? So is it that cause he didn't touch you it is NOT assault with a deadly weapon?
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How dare you pull officers away from the regularly scheduled drug war?
They're busy!
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Obviously your mistake was in failing to get stabbed. Try harder next time!
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
How dare you pull officers away from the regularly scheduled drug war?
They're busy!
Ironic, isn't it? The drugs probably brought him to the point in his life where he is at ;)
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I work in a church and those kinda folks are always around defecating on the porches sleeping in the corners. some of them have been violent towards others working here following them, kicking and cursing.
I bought mace but man on days when I gotta come in at 4am it sucks wondering if the boogy man will finally get me.
glad you weren't hurt, it's a wonder they don't get him for attempted murder or something..I dont' think he was offering to clean under your fingernails with that knife.
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Yikes... rip has grasped the obvious!
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ironic, isn't it? The drugs probably brought him to the point in his life where he is at ;)
And the drug war didn't slow him up a bit, I bet.
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Save us taxpayers money
Buy a firearm and learn the way the Feds drop guys like your kooky friend...2 shots to the pump (heart) and one to the computer (brain).
Sorry, no pity for kooks like that...Yes, Im a bad bad person.
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wasn't that an episode on "The Streets of San Francisco" ?
:)
pulled a knife, then dropped it?
you should have ran him down and kicked his bum arse, self defense - maybe next time as you see now how your police handles such matters
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
And the drug war didn't slow him up a bit, I bet.
Maybe not him, but how many others may it have slowed down? ;)
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sandman has (surprisingly enough) also stated the obvious. While I lean toward allowing all people to be the source of their own destruction.....
I have to admit that airhead has put it best (and I am paraphrasing)... If you put out pidgen food all that happens is you get a whole lot of pidgeons.
Perhaps more liberal possesion laws and more strict punishment for negligence while intoxicated.... something along the lines of alchol but not quite as liberal on the purchase/legal availability.
lazs
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Most places this knife-wielding nutcase would have been jailed. San Francisco is different. At least the good guy won this one, or at least didn't lose.
ra
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A little religions would probably help that guy. He needs to be baptized, in deep water, overnight.
Shuckins
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Originally posted by ra
Most places this knife-wielding nutcase would have been jailed. San Francisco is different. At least the good guy won this one, or at least didn't lose.
ra
...good guy?
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Originally posted by Eagler
you should have ran him down and kicked his bum arse, self defense
no kiddin - i was so mad..... and hadn't even had my coffee yet but....
the way our system is he'd have sued me and some willowy elitist liberal jury would make sure i spent the rest of my life paying off the judgment while he sat back and drank rot-gut and smoked crack.
enough of my earnings have gone to them as it is...besides, the irony might have caused me to die of amazement. i don't carry a weapon because i am 100% certain i'd use it.
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Originally posted by mrfish
no kiddin - i was so mad..... and hadn't even had my coffee yet but....
the way our system is he'd have sued me and some willowy elitist liberal jury would make sure i spent the rest of my life paying off the judgment while he sat back and drank rot-gut and smoked crack.
enough of my earnings have gone to them as it is...besides, the irony might have caused me to die of amazement. i don't carry a weapon because i am 100% certain i'd use it.
Man I can't believe how mean you are to the unfortunate in our society! Good God man can't you see all he was doing was asking you for help?!?!?! Not only are you a racist and a bigot, but you are a meany wieney too! :D
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I think that this guy deserves to have his bellybutton kicked...no doubt.
Does he deserve this:
"2 shots to the pump (heart) and one to the computer (brain). "
Maybe.
But...there is a fine line between genius and insanity. For all we know this guy could have the cure for cancer stored away in his drug infected mind. But, lets not find out....let's shoot him. Let's not try and help him get over his insanity..be it drug induced, or whatever...just get rid of him!
A short guy with a funny moustash had a similar solution to this particular societal problem in the late 30s and early 40s in Germany.
Many homeless drugged out individuals were once well respected hard working people who had horrible experiences in life. One bum that lived near me, when I was in Toronto, had his whole family killed in a home invasion about ten years ago....the guy never recovered from it. He was a beligerent cuss who used to threaten people all the time...and act very much like this guy. But, after I learned of his past my attitude towards him changed somewhat.
Being judge, jury and executioner is harsh...to say the least.
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Gladiatorial games.
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That's incredible. Sounds like assault with a deadly weapon. He should be locked up. I bet he's done it before too. This is why they have that three strikes thing IIRC.
I bet if you had shot him, they would have tried you for murder.
SF is a f___ed up place.
If I lived someplace where things like that happened, I would be carrying 24/7, permit be damned. No way is some hobo going to stab me to death. "WE AIN'T GOIN' OUT LIKE THAT."
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Curval you gotta be kidding. If somebody is trying to kill you with a deadly weapon, and you respond with deadly force, you're Hitler?
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"wait wait sir, before you stab me, lets talk about your past"
"Are you really smart?"
Swish, knife goes by.
"tell me about your mother"
AHHHH I have been stabbed..Well toejam, that was a dumb plan... now I am dead.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Curval you gotta be kidding. If somebody is trying to kill you with a deadly weapon, and you respond with deadly force, you're Hitler?
Come on funked...that is not what I said....read my post again.
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crying laughing here LMAO!!!
Originally posted by GtoRA2
"Are you really smart?"
Swish, knife goes by.
"tell me about your mother"
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Originally posted by Curval
I think that this guy deserves to have his bellybutton kicked...no doubt.
Does he deserve this:
"2 shots to the pump (heart) and one to the computer (brain). "
Maybe.
Quoting myself here...I said maybe he does deserve to be shot. But, given the fact that a few "taunts" got the guy to put down the knife it seems to me that he really had no intention of killing mrfish...and if mrfish had shot him I wonder how he would feel about it today.
I recall a post by spook that mentioned a cop that had shot and killed a person who was genuinly threatening his life. The guy apparently had a great deal of difficulty coming to terms with that. All you Rambos that talk alot of toejam here about shooting people really have no idea what it is like to kill someone, including me.
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They must have cut the crazies loose out there. I lived in San Bernardino for a while. Up an top this big hill above the Airport. There was a park up there, and I was up there with my then, 5 year old daughter, one day. This guy came walking through the park very fast, talking loudly, and angrily to invisible people. For some reason, he veered over to my daughter and started screaming at her. She started crying. he pivoted on his heel and took off again. This all happened in a matter of seconds. I stepped over to my daughter, patted her on the head, told her it was ok, and to go back to playing with her friends.
I then went to catch up with the guy. As luck would have it, he was heading straight for my car. When he got next to it I tripped him from behind. As he was trying to get back up, I opened my car door, and slammed his head in it two or three times. I figured if he was that crazy I would need to get his attention first. I then told him to leave the little ones alone,or I would hunt him down and kill him. (roadkill of course. But I think he believed me)
There was more then one crazy bastard in that park that day. And, I don't see how his craziness superseded mine.
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Originally posted by Curval
Quoting myself here...I said maybe he does deserve to be shot. But, given the fact that a few "taunts" got the guy to put down the knife it seems to me that he really had no intention of killing mrfish...and if mrfish had shot him I wonder how he would feel about it today.
I see what you mean, and agree with you. Thx.
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Problem is, this guy pulled a knife and seemed like he intended to use it, or at least to assault someone with his bare hands.
it appears that he received a citation, which means he's still on the streets with his knife and his craziness.
So what do you do when you've been attacked with a deadly weapon and they just give the guy a ticket and let him go?
Why would they not remove him from public as a danger?
Will it take him cornering some little defenseless stupid person and stabbing them several times because they aren't as clever as mrfish before he's removed?
It doesn't seem like enough to protect people trying to go about their lives.
Shooting him, ya it maybe over the top but at least it would ensure that he'd never ever attack someone again. What is the alternative?
It would appear that it's just citing him and letting him go on about his business. It's not right.
too bad it's so total or nonexistant.
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Mr. Fish is incredibly lucky, period.
Curval is out of his mind, period.
Forgive me if I assume a guy lunging at me with a knife intends to poke holes in me. Forgive me if the cure for cancer dies with him. I can get counseling for my trauma over killing him- but only if I am alive to seek it.
Now Mr. Fish knows this dude is out there loose and ready to pull this stunt on the next person- who might not be so lucky. Imagine how he might feel when the nightly news shows the blood-stained blanket of a stabbing victim as the backdrop to his friend, handcuffed, being shoved into the back of a squad car.
So... which guilt is worse?
I swear, Kanth, I must have been typing this as you posted. Great minds and all that stuff I guess... :D
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Originally posted by Kieran
Mr. Fish is incredibly lucky, period.
Curval is out of his mind, period.
Perhaps you should gun me down too then.:p
If mrfish's life was in imminent danger, then yea, he has every right to protect himself...which is why I said "Maybe" the guy deserves to be shot. If though it was a half hearted attempt to scare mrfish...which I "suspect" is the case (and could be wrong..I admit) then shooting him would be over the top.
My post was more of a reaction to the fact that people seemed to be immediately advocating the shooting of this guy because he is a drug induced menace...and a bum. I was merely pointing out that as none of us know the story behind this guy that we shouldn't just rush to judgement and pull out the guns.
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Cops woulda let him go casa they wanted to leave it up to you to be the judge of the incident. Naturaly you would press charges. Hes just a crazy person, withered down through the years to an animal. Not much left of him probably. By not demolishing his face, you did yourself a big favor. Hey no guild afterwards for taking down a crazy person. He wasnt gona rob you, he had no real motive other than being nuts. Better to get a few licks and be on the defense afterwards.
Them crazies in SF arent to much of a threat. Theyre just a buncha destroyed heroin addicts. In a group though, you could have realy been in danger. A group with maybe one heatlhy one, oh oh. Run for it....
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Originally posted by LePaul
Save us taxpayers money
Buy a firearm and learn the way the Feds drop guys like your kooky friend...2 shots to the pump (heart) and one to the computer (brain).
Sorry, no pity for kooks like that...Yes, Im a bad bad person.
thats quite a provocative statement.
before we take your advice, i think we should know:
how many people have you killed?
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Originally posted by senna
Them crazies in SF arent to much of a threat. Theyre just a buncha destroyed heroin addicts. In a group though, you could have realy been in danger. A group with maybe one heatlhy one, oh oh. Run for it....
up and down the coast- even in seattle and portland. it's a sad commentary.
no they aren't threats, usually, but they have us walking around with our heads downs trying to ignore them all the time, trying not to make eye contact, putting up with them pawing at you all the time and crapping on your doorstep....
that says something stupid about the permissivity of our society - that's beyond tolerance.
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Well he did have a knife so he was dangerous with that. But he threw it down so he musta wanted to challenge you somehow in a crazy man vs man way to make his day better? Very very crazy stuff. However throwing the knife down meant that he will attack you physically. At least to me it says that. Glad to know you didnt get hurt from it.
Otherwise with a knife he could maintain an upper level of a threat if thats only what it was.
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Not surprising. Police seems to be more interested to punish you for violating seat-belt laws than protect you from violence.
At least you did not call him anything that could have been interpreted as a racial - would have likely landed you in jail like that guy who could not keep his mouth shut after his wife got slapped by another fella.
Take care.
miko
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'cept he was a white guy - well stained, but white.:)
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mrfish: 'cept he was a white guy - well stained, but white.:)
I ment generally 'not PC slur' - like calling him a studmuffin or something. Aren't homeless a protected minority group? Or mentally disabled?
This guy, however dangerous he is, probably does not deserve anger - but care and confinement in his own interests as well as yours. Once he seriously hurts someone, the police will take care of him - and also have reason to ask for budget increase...
miko
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I'm confused. Used to be when a guy lunged at you it with a knife it was considered assault with a deadly weapon. Now apparently it isn't. Huh. And now I have to be Nostradamus so I can ascertain his "true intent" before I can act.
No wonder people want California to snap loose and sink into the Pacific.
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Why do I agree with Kieran? What the hell is this world coming to, next I'll start thinking Eagler has some good ideas!
The guy's a leech, and a violent leech at that. I'd be willing to risk the miniscule chance of losing the cure to cancer with him. Regardless, this is all Mr. Fish's fault for living in San Francisco. handsomehunk.
SOB
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Now speaking from this side of the pond, the use of deadly force is the very last option.
Mrfish had options. He used them and he did the right thing. Had he had no options, ie, the voice didnt work or he was in a corner with nowhere to run, then the use of deadly force is justified and the hobo gets it between the eyes. (had he been armed which he was not)
Several things to remember.
1. The only unarmed people who fight people with knives are dead people.
2. Few people are skilled in the use of knives. But the worst knife fighter will kill you just as good.
3. Your hobo sounds like a basket case.
4. Laz wasnt there to protect Mr Fish.
Over here, the hobo would have been placed under arrest and remained in custody till the first available court appearance. A mental health assessment would have been carried out.
1. Because he sounds and acts like a fruitloop.
2. To negate any later defence of insantity.
3. Its the first thing the courts will ask for to be done.
That being said. What do the courts do with him then? Slap him in irons until released to go back to the streets as crazy as ever?
Slap him in the nut house where at the first sign of rational behaviour he is released with medication until he tosses it away and goes back to his nutcase ways.
Dealing with these people is not a simple matter. Society and the justice system are often overwhelmed with them. Particularly in largely populated areas with a justice system already overburdened by like minded individuals.
So how do you prevent the same thing happening again?
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Kieran, all the "assailant" did was display a weapon, which he then dropped. A "lunge" in one man's eyes might be a "drunken stagger towards" in another man's eyes. Other than that it was a mutual combat situation, and San Francisco doesn't have room for convicted criminals in thier jails, let alone drunk transients who have outstanding warrants for non payment of child support. Mr.fish screwed up because he made eye contact with a derelict- he shoulda kept walking. Don't blame the SFPD for a situation that exists because the City Government does whatever it can do to accomidate homeless derelects within the city limits.
If a city wants to get rid of this element of society all they have to do is quit paying them for being pathetic, stop funneling tax money to homeless shelters, vigerously enforce code violations against soup kitchens and homeless shelters, bust transients for deficating on doorways and shooting dope in public and occasionally beat the living crap out of posers who pretend to be crazier than they really are. Sorry, but I hate derelects and wish them all dead. They are a drain on society and I cannot express my naked hatred for these pathetic pieces of toejam who hold up cardboard signs as they waltz through traffic, pretending to be a vet or whatever and needing of a handout.
Sorry, but people who choose to be the dregs of society deserve no compassion or respect, much less a paycheck and a free meal. As far as I am concerned this element of society chooses to be what they are and should be ignored to revel in thier filth, not given a paycheck.
mr.fish, invest in a can of industrial strength pepper spray like they use for bears and the next time some amazinhunk confronts you spray him in the face and keep on walking. I'm sorry your beautiful city has been defecated upon by this scourge.
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So if I "lunge" for my .38 it can be construed as a "drunken stagger"? ;)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Sorry, but I hate derelects and wish them all dead.
Hmmm... that's a bit harsh.
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A bit harsh? No, I don't think so- I'm more than willing to help those that need it and are trying to better themselves, but the current policy of half a million dollar public toilets, a monthly city-paid stripend, and wall to wall panhandlers and derelects have changed the beauty of San Francisco into a sespool of street crime, drugs and violence that the SFPD is overwhelmed against.
We aren't talking bout a unwed mother with five kids here- we're talking about people who have found a comfort zone by the good graces of San Francisco feel good politics and yes, they have proliferated. I counted 27 derelects on Van Ness Ave. between Lombard and Market Streets recently on an early Sunday morning and really, the only way to get rid of them is to either cut off all the soup kitchens, Methadone treatment centers, free clinics and lax enforcement of vagrancy statutes- or kill them. I'm taking the high ground and advocating cutting off all services paid for with my tax dollars that support these derelects, but really I'm not that far removed from advocating the killing of these pieces of toejam like Mr.fish was confronted with.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Not surprising. Police seems to be more interested to punish you for violating seat-belt laws than protect you from violence.
At least you did not call him anything that could have been interpreted as a racial - would have likely landed you in jail like that guy who could not keep his mouth shut after his wife got slapped by another fella.
Take care.
miko
Edited after I re-read what I wrote.
I'll just say the officers funerals I've attended over the years had nothing to do with seat belts and...bah, nevermind.
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Airhead you are one hell of a troll. :D
Nonetheless I agree, round them up and kill them.. Although I would we more than willing to entertain Animal's suggestion, toejam we have the Colloseum right there in Oakland.
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Originally posted by Animal
Gladiatorial games.
They already have that. (http://www.bumfights.com/indecline/index.cfm)
Unfortunately, it's not to the death. :(
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hehe good troll airhead - and not a bad mrfish impression to boot!
lime pits! lime pits! lime pits!:)
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Originally posted by Kieran
So if I "lunge" for my .38 it can be construed as a "drunken stagger"? ;)
Yes, but you'd be fined for carrying such a small calibre weapon anyway, so the point is moot. :cool:
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Dude for real. You can actually have shot the guy dead ...lawfully... and then youd be the one fined and possibly jailed.
This is one of those times in life where you wish you had a tazer no?
Let lil' sparky do the talkin'