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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nath-BDP on September 08, 2000, 09:05:00 PM
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Was fun while this game was actually challenging, but now I'd rather go play Q3.
Perhaps the FM is realistic, but it seems that all the planes stall speeds are lower and every plane is easier to fly...
Maybe this is realistic, but it certainly isn't challenging.
I like a challenge. Not EZMode.
Peace,
Nath11
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[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 09-08-2000).]
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Let me be the first to say, in the words of dweeb immortal: Cyas!
Yeager (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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U want a challenge? Go back to grade 3 and learn how to spell 'quitting'
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Tonight the thign started quite well. CT was for sure not the thing I feared and felt happy with it. I even had HT in private for some 20 minutes and we were talking a bit about my concerns and about some computer lcoks I have had last weeks. All felt fine.
Went into MA and starteda 190A5 run. Not bad, I cleared a buddy's six and killed a lanc on a HO. I saw the con I killed turning like a crazy, a F4U, and thought that,well, new FM, needed to get it.
Then I bombed witha Ju88, so far so good.
Then I got a G10...and then a 190...and then a A8...and then a G2...and then...
Only to see that BnZ and E-fighting in this sim have suffered the worst blow in ages. Maybe is realistic, sure. BUt I dont like it.
Someone said in #1 channel that new FM rocked. I answered that I didnt like this too much as seemed that planes turned forever...and the next 4 lines in the buffer had the word "whine" in them.
Each time I tried to argue why didnt I like the new FM, and why do I think that it will take me AGES to get used to the new ones, I got a "whiner" answer on the buffer.
WHAT THE diddly HAPPENS here?...DO we all MUST say "I like it" or we are whiners?...eh?...why MUST I like something?..WHY MUST I keep silent if someone says he likes it?. IF I dont like it, I say it, period.
THat makes me a whiner?...then YOU CAN GO TO HELL!.
The worse came when funked in one of his "spotlight" moments, say that it was too early to start "luftwhines". What happens ,that because I like german iron and dont like the current FM then I am a luftwhiner?
See, gentlemen. First time I payed for AH I payed some 4200 pesetas. $ raise has put the money I must pay now in 5900 pesetas.
I am able (barely) to keep paying for Aces High, I am able to keep playing and try to learn the new FM.
But I wont pay to be clubbed by a group of diddlying stupids only because I dont like what they do.
HTC, SALUTE on the new release. It is a thorough and incredible work from your side. Ju88 plain and simply rocks, and I have noticed a lot of new wonderful features ( I think tht now dot range is farther, I.E: the form of the plane is clearer at longer ranges)...I love the icon dissapearing if obstructed. I love the 6K icon, I dont like the FM but I was ready to give it some time...
But all that has happened tonight in MA, where I have been clubbed because I try to state why dont I like the FM has been too much.
Payday will arrive soon. I dont want to leave. but things have gone too far...
6000pesetas to be clubbed because I dont like what the majority likes...no guess that I have to think seriously if I will stay here.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[edit] excuse the vocabulary, but you will never know the extreme anger that I feel right now [/edit]
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-08-2000).]
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By the way, unlike nath11 I dont say the new FM isn't challenging. I say that it is different and the differences are what makes me dislike it.
But as I am a luftwhiner why should anyone care? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Agreed RAM
From the way 'freedom of speech' is treated by some in this BBS and in the arena, you'd think the Axis had won the war (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 09-08-2000).]
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All the water that goes in one end of the tunnel, comes out the other end. Unless of course there are leaks some where or some one is secretly pissing in the vent hole.
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The Wrecking Crew
"My Motto: Just have fun!!!! "
Swager
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 09-08-2000).]
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RAM, there is nothing personal in this, and it's an uncharacteristically serious post for me.
What you are experiencing is the result of your actions in losing your temper since back in beta.
It is not as if you just out of the blue mentioned politely that you thought the new FM held too much energy, instead you have a history of losing your temper and lashing out at anything that is not how you like it. You have numerous times threatened to quit because people do not fly as you like. You have lost your temper and yelled at HT on the open channel. You have called unnumerable people dweeb at random on the open channel.
The end result of this is that anytime you speak, the natural reaction from anyone listening is "oh man, there goes RAM again." The only way this will ever change and to get people to take you seriously is to relax, and even then it will take time for your past to drift behind you.
Make of this what you will, it is merely advice, and I can't believe I just made such a serious post, but if you continue to lose it and lash out people will continue to disregard your comments as someone who's lost it again.
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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards (http://fdb.50megs.com)
"Never before in the field of human conflict was so little owed to so few that weighed and drank so much."
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Originally posted by Fatty:
You have lost your temper and yelled at HT on the open channel
Please can you tell me when have I done it?.
Thanks for you sincere post. But no, that wasnt the problem, I wasnt the only one clubbed tonight in the MA. Sure I got the most of the clubbing because I never shut what I think.
But he who dared to speak a single word agains the new FM had in some way an angry post answering him.
ANd again please can you tell me when have I yelled at HT?. I dont use to yell at the people I most respect, and Pyro and HT have and always have had all my respect.
On other matter, about my "trheats of quitting", yes, I admitted that 5 days in a row dying because the wings of my plane were breaking EVERY time I pulled more than 3G at 350 IAS made me go VERY ballistic.
Since then I have posted about boredom in MA but never threatened to go from AH. EZmode is another thing, much more different, and I think that my motivations were clear. It was not a threat, it was a stating,that if AH was going to have EZ mode mixed in MA I would leave. HT then told me to wait and see and so I did. And he was right.
Well but we arent here to speak about my "diplomacy" problems with HOs, or anything else. as I said I wasnt the only one despised for saying that the new FM is not of his taste. So is not a thing against me.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-08-2000).]
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RAM,
Chill dude. First you have to admit you're one of the more....Sharky<-----Scratches head trying to come up with PC phrase...vocal, yeah thats it, vocal members here at Aces High. Wiether it is your intent or not you do tend to rub people the wrong way, especially here on the boards.
You have gotten somewhat of a reputation as a whinner. I'm not saying that it's true but you do have that reputation. So when people see you make a comment on the radio they may have a tendency to not fairly judge your comments and overreact.
Just relax, fly the sim for awhile and if you truely feel that something is wrong, bring it to HT's attention. I'm sure that if you have a legitament complaint they will look into it. But when you argue your case, please provide some specifics ie numbers, comparative performance etc. Don't just say it sux or is porked.
Thanks,
Sharky
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You guys may or may not learn that you are going to have to adapt to the simm. It's not the other way around.
HTC aint gonna go back and rewrite this whole version just because some mouthy kids weren't impressed with their first couple of sorties in it.
Does it even cross your mind that theres tons of work in this?? Are you guys old enough to know what work is?? You try it for a few hours, get pissed, throw a tantrum, etc. etc.
Nath, I bet you will be back tomorrow.
Ram, How many times have you quit? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sorry, but I hate these "quitter" threads...
You know what I did when I quit warbirds???
Not a damn thing, I just quit playing it.
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<chuckle> Now that I think about it that wasn't you, but that mistake in itself is a perfect example of the problem.
As for the open channel I'm sure it was heated, it's bad enough normally, the warps associated with everyone downloading likely don't make it any better. You can either yell back, or yawn and keep flying.
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Originally posted by Sharky:
RAM,
Chill dude. First you have to admit you're one of the more....Sharky<-----Scratches head trying to come up with PC phrase...vocal, yeah thats it, vocal members here at Aces High. Wiether it is your intent or not you do tend to rub people the wrong way, especially here on the boards.
You have gotten somewhat of a reputation as a whinner. I'm not saying that it's true but you do have that reputation. So when people see you make a comment on the radio they may have a tendency to not fairly judge your comments and overreact.
Just relax, fly the sim for awhile and if you truely feel that something is wrong, bring it to HT's attention. I'm sure that if you have a legitament complaint they will look into it. But when you argue your case, please provide some specifics ie numbers, comparative performance etc. Don't just say it sux or is porked.
Thanks,
Sharky
<RAM Shakes his head completely disheartened>
oh my god...please am I so bad at english?...who is talking about porkings here?...I never said the FM is porked, for heaven's sake!. I say I dont like it because makes my flying style (strict e fighting and BnZ) be next to useless!
is that a whine?!...dunno but for sure is NOT a complain...I have saluted HTC for their work, they did a wonderful work on 1.04!. the FM is the most realistic? ok! I agree! who's saying the opposite!
I say that I dont like it and people jump on me like If I had commited heressy...
And I am still reading that I've said the FM is porked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
<RAM walks away in complete despair>
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Originally posted by hblair:
You guys may or may not learn that you are going to have to adapt to the simm. It's not the other way around.
This is getting sillier with each post...WHERE did I say the opposite...
I SAY I DONT LIKE IT DAMMNIT NOTHING MORE! IS IT A CAPITAL CRIME!?
HTC aint gonna go back and rewrite this whole version just because some mouthy kids weren't impressed with their first couple of sorties in it.
really I MUST suck at english (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Does it even cross your mind that theres tons of work in this?? Are you guys old enough to know what work is?? You try it for a few hours, get pissed, throw a tantrum, etc. etc.
SHIGH!
Ram, How many times have you quit? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
One.
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I think BnZ will still be here RAM. It will just be a little tougher at first. The TnB planes retain more E now as do all planes but planes that retained it well before will just retain more. Adjust your E fight and you will still win and just think you will have just a tick more E at the end to pull that amazing shot (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
All of us "old" timers will have to re-learn to fly abit and I bet there will be a patch out soon fixing this or fixing that. Have faith. E fighting is not gone but just moved to the next level (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
S!
Rocket
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Ram,
What do you expect people to say back when you say that you don't like it? Surely, the majority will disagree with you? It's really not that much different and many probably think that you haven't spent enough time with it to absolutely make up your mind that you don't like it.
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What do I expect?...nothing. I state my opinion just as the others state theirs.
If someone says "I disagree" then it would be ok...But after i FIRST said "well I dont like the FM so far" I got 4 consecutive "whiner" replies.
That is a disagreement? DOnt think so.
That is to jump on someone because he holds a different opinion on a matter than you have.
And it was not because it was me. Other people had EXACTLY the same problem.
Hblair, you are a clown. you showed it 2 days ago with Garrido (supong) and you do it again now.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-08-2000).]
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E fiteing is "E" Fiteing. just becuase they made it where the lower planes can bite back you can still e fite. Now you just cant turn with them at any time. You have to go for the alt again instead of doing quick rolls to get on their 6. Now your going to have to set up you shot over and over again till you get him. This is REAL "E" fiteing. Before if you had ANYTHING on ur 6 with alt you had to blow all ur e to get him to miss his first pass and you were going to be very dead on his 2nd pass. Didnt matter what he was in. NOW~!!!!! the guy on the bottom has a much better chance of actually biteing back. I like it as this is more challenging for both partiees involved. the B&Z'mer and the poor schmuck on the bottom! As with all new things that come along people start talking toejam the first day its out. I would suggest (as one who has been very guilty of doing this)we all give it a week or two before we start talking toejam. Unless you come across a bug, in which case you post it on the Bug's page on the BBS.
LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!
[This message has been edited by llbm_MOL (edited 09-08-2000).]
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Nath, that has got to be one of the lamest squeakes ever.
Maybe this is realistic, but it certainly isn't challenging.
What is that supposed to mean? Like real flight models are disappointing?
Geez, I can see you taking real flight lessons. Would you put water in the gas, wear a eye patch, tape over the pitot tubes, and land with one engine just to make it more challenging?
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Originally posted by llbm_MOL:
I would suggest we all give it a week or two before we start talking toejam.
where did I talk toejam about the new FM?...I say it is accurate, I say it is correct I say it is a wonderful work.
but still I dont like it.
Is that "talking toejam" about the FM? really is my english so bad?
this is really annoying, and depressing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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You cant be serios RAM. I fought you using e fighting and beat you then I lost to the niki with you cause I tried to turn with him....E fighting tactics will still be appropriate much of the time...Shooting is harder cause people can wiggle more.
2 hours is not enough to tell.
Nath...you will probably have to develop a new edge if you want the success you have had...
Hope you both stay.
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Sorry to see you go Nath and Ram.
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HiTech Creations
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RAM, I flew the P-38 an hour ago from my neighbor's system (heh, he actually dragged me from the pool to tell me the new FM was out! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and I can tell you, E fighting is now TRUE E-fighting.
Before this new FM all pilots needed to do (and knew AND RELIED on) was to make the other guy break hard to one side or loop once or twice and their kill was served on a silver platter. This new FM is IMO, MUCH more challenging (nate hope ye read this) not because "we now have E" but because that fact makes you plan out your attack with what you know of the other guy's plane and possible E state. I saw evidence of this during my flight, I got jumped by a 30k spit (what else?) in my 22k P-38.. I had to do a hard right turn with nose just a bit below the horizon to evade it... what did the spit do? it rolled hard over pulling up, believing me to be completely out of E and convinced of an easy kill. I got him with a belly shot as he tried to level and nose down to gain speed. Talked with the pilot he couldn't believe I could have turned AND climbed after him after I did that turn.
I myself died because of that same assumption.. those Yaks sure as heck retain lotsa E now on a climb+turns! Got my bellybutton flamed real bad.
Its real challenging to ACM now, the flight model is just about right, CTrim messes up your turn fights (ow ow) so turn it off before them and remember that E=MC^2 / D(E(state)=MPH * Circles turned divided by (level of)Dweebishnes) *G*
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[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-08-2000).]
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Tac how would combat trim mess up your turn fight?
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Not going to comment on anything yet (well other then the lancaster, just beautifull). Cant form an opinion in just 1 night but I will say with about an hour logged so far, I had a blast!
You guys are stuck with me... I aint quitting!!!!!!!!
<S> Hitech and crew. and thanks for the Lancaster, shes a beaut. Dropped a 4k egg, blam goes the hanger (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I love it I love it
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Originally posted by Creamo:
Nath, that has got to be one of the lamest squeakes ever.
Maybe this is realistic, but it certainly isn't challenging.
What is that supposed to mean? Like real flight models are disappointing?
Geez, I can see you taking real flight lessons. Would you put water in the gas, wear a eye patch, tape over the pitot tubes, and land with one engine just to make it more challenging?
LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nice one Creamo.
I can only add:
Gulp down a pot of coffee 30 minutes before your 1.5 hour aerobatic flight lesson.
I wish HangTime would jump in to this silly thread and tell everyone "Things will be OK"
HeHe! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"My Motto: Just have fun!!!! "
Swager
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Molders here (for once (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
As i have said to many people (lost COUNT )
Its JUST A GAME........ If yhings were so realistic we`d all be dead.. Heavens forbid..
But with that its still just a game and as such should be treated as such... Relax enjoy and smoke that bastard on your 12 O`clock. HT has done a grand job and i for one ENJOY the Sim for what it is NOT what it SHOULD be ie REAL LIFE.. Anyway said my piece thats all.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Chin up fellas the worlds not ending (unless i fart in your general direction) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
MOLDERS OUT.........
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RAM,
First off, try to project yourself forward a few weeks from now. Realize your perspective will have matured some, and that you will have a more rounded feeling, content, peaceful.......flowing like a river to the sea, in harmony with creation...
there you go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ok, are you new at online flight sim/games?
Have you been at it for some time?
I was a dweeb once, twice, then three times.
Point is, grab a board, catch a wave and go surfin!
Yeager
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bit my tongue and took back what i wrote.
[This message has been edited by Dago (edited 09-09-2000).]
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When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP Digging!
Thank You and Good Night.
Cobra
PS. I just like to fly these silly sims/games and have fun. AH is fun.
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It's only been out one day, but still I wonder if anyone reads the "News, Announcements, etc." Forum? Or the Readme file the comes with a new version? I'm not gonna "quote" it, but to summarize quickly, it stated that some FM's may still have issues to be worked out with the all around changes that were made! For heavens sake just post what you think is wrong, open a dialog, don't let the 'clever remarks' on channel one piss you off, any one use .squelch? I do when I get pissed, makes it a whole lot more tolerable these days, and I sure don't care what some people think about me, I just let my guns do the talking or die trying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ts
PS..still downloading new version!
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Originally posted by funked:
Tac how would combat trim mess up your turn fight?
In the turn fights I got myself into, with flaps deployed and full rudder, the CT tried to center my plane the very moment I let go off the rudder key... causing some really nasty spins and some quite embarrasing augers. So just turn it off before you turn fight (by tapping the elevator manual trim key once, no biggie). Tried the same kind of turn fights with the CT off (some of them much tighter turns and stuff) and never did the plane spin when I let go off the rudder.
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I think nath is a good pilot. IMHO the problem for some, is what good is it to be a top pilot in an arcade sim. This may be what he is getting at. I dont know (and dont much care) who the top guys are in FA, for example.
I found myself turnfighting spit v,s with a nik tonight. and holding my own. I shouldnt be able to do that, Im not that good. This has gotten way to easy.
On the up side. the endless stream of G-10,s came to an abrupt halt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Neg Easymo,
If youre referring to our fight -you ARE that good.You are the best virtual pilot I've come across H2H.I was the spit5 pilot and I came in with too much speed.Being an angle fighter,I dont usually have an E advantage.That whole fight I was pulling G's to the point of blacking out a few times and losing sight.My mistake-I should have relaxed G and went into lag pursuit which would eventually have brought me to the advantage. Please don't allow my poor judgement and your fine flying to sway your judgement of this new FM.At first glance,I have to say I like it alot!It allows the BnZer to get the kill still(if he is patient and experienced).The angle fighter that has learned the art of the reversal will most benefit from the new FM.Anyone who knows my style knows the smile on my face (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Having never flown in the actual conflict-I can only make the best of the simulations I am afforded.AH is,to me,the finest WW2 sim to date and obviously driven to keep pushing the envelope.
So long Nath,I sure did enjoy our 1 fight in AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
By-Tor
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as always ht will listen to everybody and try to make things right. all that is needed is patience. we should feel lucky to have input int this sim.
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No se preocupe de él, RAM. Es justo que pienso que cada uno en el mA es como " mí tiene gusto de él, cualquier persona otro quién no lo hace es un gimoteo importante."
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I didn't want to say that in English cause I'd might get some death threats, but anyway....everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's where the "freedom of speech" comes in. The MA isn't a government (at least I think not), it doesn't have it's own laws or rights, so no one can say "You can't say that or it's a whine" People say this cause in their mind the person just, like RAM said, commited major heresy and went against HTC and so therefor is a traitor. So these people try to think of a biting remark, and "whiner" is a real good one. Listen, if someone calls you a whiner, and I'm talking to everyone, just ignore them..cause you know yer entitled to your own opinion.
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What llbm_MOL said.
BnZ still will work, its just not an almost certain thing now. He has to do it correctly.
Sisu
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Nath, RAM, whoever... Before you quit, stick around for a while and give yourself a chance to learn the new FM.
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Give me a reason to funked... prove to me in my other thread that its realistic... I can't find myself playing this game if the FM isnt realistic. It seems like every plane flies so easily compared to before... not just in turns, but everything, stalls for one.
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By-tor. Not to drag this out. You gave me the useual, rip the joystick out of its base, fights. (S). However during the course of the evening, I took down 20 or 30 spits, with my nik. Granted, a lot of newbies. But there were more than a few known players in the pile.
Im not trying to sound like im raggin on AH. But I havent read a post, by anybody who has been around awile, claiming this version is harder. That means it went the other way.
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I'm not going to prove to you that the current model is realistic. Mathematical modeling is part of my job and one thing you learn real quick is that NO mathematical model is EVER complete. There is always something you can't model or choose not to model. ALWAYS.
But I am convinced that the old model had significant room for improvement. I'm not going to present a proof here. The information has been discussed ad naseum on this BBS over the last 6 months.
Use the search feature on the aircraft forum. We went over historical data on sustained turn rates on the old threads. Clearly AH was off the mark there, although I didn't think it was enough to gripe about. Recently Aper posted some Spitfire Mk. IX test data that suggested the old FM was further off than I thought. Then check out Badboy's post on the P-51D EM diagram. In combination these items are quite convincing to me that something was amiss in the old lift and drag calculations. The planes were simply not performing up to snuff in sustained G or turn rate.
Add to this all of the subjective information - pilot anectdotes and head to head historical flight tests showing different relative turning abilities than what were found in the old AH planes. There have been dozens of posts containing such information. I find these comparisons less than convincing some times, because of the human factor, but in this case they generally support the hard data. Ask F4UDOA about this, he has some awesome sources.
Also look at it from an analytical standpoint. Compare the wing loading, power loading, etc. of the P-47D, Fw 190A-8, and Typhoon - all very similar. But the planes had hugely different turn capability in pre-1.04 AH versions, which doesn't make much physics sense. Ask Wells about this. He's forgotten more aerodynamics than I have ever learned, and his calculations show that the old AH planes had unreasonable lift:drag ratios at high angles of attack.
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I dunno RAM perhaps people remember the ammount of whining you did about CT with not a shred of information about it, just whining on rumours.
OK you don't like the FM, you're not whining just expressing your opinion but why should the majority just sit there and take everything you have to say as gospel? there are two sides to every argument if you can't handle people arguing the other side of the FM debate then perhaps public forums are not the place for you. Give the FM's a try...why are people so quick to just throw the towel in because of one feature..geez this place is getting more like AGW every day!
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i think this is my last tour within AH.
after seeing AH'FM in the past i hated the
FM of WB.
and now, AH=WB=hate.
HT, think you can cancel all pure B&Z planes
(109g10) from your list...unusable now.
after reading a post where b17FM=lanc FM...
hmmm, not good.
AH is now a T&B area (like WB). with hogs turning like hell and so on...
1.03 was ok(i'm fine with A5 changes in 1.04) but now we hav a WWI FM with WWII fighters.
why do you allied always need a T&B FM to stay against LW??
habicht, in his last month, out
XO JG54"Gruenherz"
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all i know is i finally get to kill someone in my yak.
seriously, i think that a lot of people here have made the erroneous assumption that 'harder to fly' means 'more realistic.' i have never flown a real wwii-vintage plane, so all i have to go on is historical data and pilot descriptions. the performance of the planes in AH now much more closely match the recorded data and descriptions of their real-life counterparts, so i think it's currently more realistic.
i would also like to set forth the theory that fighters--even wwii fighters--are/were designed to be as easy-to-fly as is practical. wwii pilots weren't special; they were regular guys like you and me who had the (mis)fortune to be living in a time of global war. turn-fighting is much more intuitive than energy fighting and as a result the average pilot would turn fight regardless of platform, especially if his SA dropped. and yes, it got many average pilots in less capable platforms killed. as a result all planes were were reasonably good at it, while some (zero's, yak's) were so good it forced their adversaries to alter their tactics.
before this new FM, the p47 and f4 could compete in a TNB fight with most of the so-called 'turn-fighters,' and flyers of those planes often didn't hesitate to mix it up. on the other hand, the yak could not beat any other plane in a pure turn fight. the yak, however was an excellent BNZ fighter despite its crappy guns. How realistic was that?
Black Hammer
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And ta think, all this typing was going on while I was in the main enjoying myself...btw, nice to see ya in there again nath, what was the actual timeframe between quitting and re-joining? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
We shouldn't be squeaking about the FM or about RAM giving his opinion...again. We should be squeaking about the subliminal frames that HT has programmed into AH to keep us addicted. You cannot escape! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB
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I could go from 400mph to <120 mph then stall in a level half turn on the spit in the old version. Would be interesting to check with a real spit pilot and see if the old or new version is closer.
TS
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What Fatty, Creamo and Pyro said.
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Guys, please give the HTC a break. If thing are not liked and to "easy" Im sure that Mr HT will listen. If thats the way most of the pilots feel about it.
Every new version theres a slight change to the FM and as one got use to one way of flying, it has to be changed. New tactics and new thinking.
Be happy that theres a forthgoing change of this sim and that we have to "try it" before we say anything.
(wich I have not, yet, is downloading it,,,, lol)
NATH, RAM, well......no comments nessecery.
Crabofix
Independet Swedish AirForce
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OK, gentlemen. Last words in this issue. I am posting this bot in a new thread and here because I think it is an important issue.
First of all I want to make clear that I am writing this as clear as I can, slowly, and with a english-spanish dictionary in front of me.
I want to state first that I know where I am and why am I here. I know I am a passionate guy that sometimes overreact but I am too a guy that is completely mistook in many of my posts.
HO posts,and 1.2K kill posts were done in the way they were taken. Things that piss me off so hard that I explode. OK then.
But other posts are completely misread. EZmode comes to mind here as a good example.
See, I am spanish and my knowledge of english is limited. I dont know how to express myself sometimes, and for a guy that ALWAYS wants to communicate his ideas and feelings it is a very bad experience, believe me.
When EZmode discussion first came to AH, and when CT was discussed , I said the same as I did in the open letter for HTC thread. But the words were others, as in the latter I took nearly 90 minutes of my time to post and refine it. The message was the same, as my status in this matter, EZ mode is not of my taste and if it was mixed in MA with no Realmode arena, then I would leave, but to return as soon as a realmode arena was created in AH. With no hard feelings, and NO threat. It is only a statement, my position and opinion.
Many took my posts as a "I quit" threat. It wasnt a threat, but only a statement. But here everybody took the "i quit" thing but not everything else in those posts. (HT did it too, I know because he told me that I do the "i quit" too many times).
I had to put a open letter for HTC and everyone saluted me...when i was putting EXACTLY the same message as in the previous posts...what is the difference?...that when I write english by myself my expressions are the ones I KNOW to write. Pyro told me that some of my posts sound real threatening, while in many of them I only try to say what I think.
I threatened to quit once, yes. SOmething stopped me the last moment. I had 5 days that when I took a Fw190A8 over 350IAS and 3G the wings ALWAYS broke. The pissing off situation made me go ballistic and I posted that I was leaving.
Since then I NEVER threatened to leave Aces High. EZmode thing was only a statement, my position and opinion about a possible development in AH that I wont share, but I always made clear that I would return as soon as I shared further development. Is that a threat? I dont think so, still many mistook those posts, as I said above.
In many of my posts I may sound harsh but In MANY of them it is only a language barrier. I try to explain what I feel and think, PUTTING IN CAPS THE THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). Some people think that this is harsh. It isnt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) at least it isnt intended to be.
Said that, about 1.04. First of all I want to tell you something that may help you in understanding why dont I like the new FM.
I started some days ago a new squad intended to help and train newbies in MA. I started working with some of them in MA, and putting up a webpage with hints and help (thanks Staga). I have currently all but british planes commented (only LW posted, tho) and ready to be posted.
The new FM has killed all my work on those comments, and has killed me as CO of a training squadron. Why? because I cant train others in how to fly if I by myself dont know to do it!!!...Erg/Jg26 has no more future right now, and as a thing in wich I have put so much illusion, work, and thinking, to see all the work wasted is very sad.
this is the first reason.
Second, I am a E-fighting guy, and love BnZ. This new FM has killed most of the effectiveness of these ways of flying, so I must relearn and reeducate my flying from the start. While learning to fly takes long and is hard, to FORGET what you have learned and relearn with new rules is VERY annoying. Plus, I dont like TnB and new FM favours a lot TnB, much more than previous FM. That is the second reason.
And while I was quite decent guy to fly in the defensive, the new FM makes speed bleeding a real pain, even with full rudder use, so making painfully difficult to force overshoots and reverse tables in planes as Fw190...and this is the third reason.
I like that the new FMs are more accurate and realistic. I agree in making AH as accurate as possible. I love EVERY ONE of the other new features. But ,while I agree that new FM is accurate realistic and neccesary I DONT LIKE IT. I think it is understandable.
But in no way I am saying that new FM is porked, or not accurate. Read my posts from avobe I say that I dont like it!.
Will take time, yes and maybe I would get used to it somehow. The new FM is NOT the reason because I am thinking in leaving. The reaction of the people to my opinions is what does it.
I tried new FM for a good while (maybe 4 hours), when someone said in #1 channel "new FM rocks". I answered "I disagree, E-fighting is now REALLY difficult, I dont like it.
Next 4 lines in buffer had the word "whiner" inserted in it.
So I tried to state why dont I like the FM. Each time I tried it there was a "whiner" answer (most times multiple of them) in the buffer for me.
Well I decided to shut up and keep on flying. After 1 hour or so StSanta said in #1 that he didnt like the new FM. before I could say "I agree" there was one line calling him WHINER. That was 5 seconds, not more, before Stsanta's line and mine. And someone was faster to call him "whiner" than mine to say "I agree".
Of course then the flamewar started. One community versus two guys with an opinion different than theirs. I tried to explain why didnt I like the new FM again, but, as before, the flamewar was heating even more with each try.
And then funked came in and called us "luftwhiners"...and I went ballistic. That was when I said in #1 that for a sim that is now 50% more expensive that what it was when I first came, and is putting serious strain in my money, I didnt know if It was worth the flamewar I was getting from everyone there only because I think different than them.
(note that in NO MOMENT I said that I was going to leave due the new FM thing).
Then the hammer fell on me. From "good bye" and "take care" lines until "lol you kid go home" thing. And then I came here and posted my post on Nath11's thread.
I dont say I go out because the new FM, never said it and would never NEVER go because that.
I say that I am weighting if it is worth for me paying to have such disgusts as the one I had yersterday night.
Still Funked says "give the new FM a 2 week try". I was WANTING To do it, I WANT to do it.
But this thing has NOTHING To do with the new FM, but with the thing I felt yesterday on MA whith everyone jumping on Stsanta and me, and I later saw in this board (for example hblair "quote" thing was a hurting pain in the moral state I was)
All this makes me think that if I am good for this sim and if this sim is good for me. If this is an "I quit" threat, then ok, it is.
I talked a bit with HT later. I wont say what we talked, but I ended really morally broken and very worried...
A bit later I was talking with pyro,too on MA. I wont say what we talked, neither, only I can say THANK YOU PYRO...you helped me a lot, and I know you must have been VEERY busy while talking with me, and I much appreciate your words. Lots of good advices in your words...so THANKS!
I only want to say this to the community:
For all you think that the sheep that doesnt bleat at the same thime and with the same strenght than the other sheeps in the flock deserves to be clubbed...YOU are the reason that I am thinking in going or staying. This is NO FM matter, it is simply that the flames I got yesterday really burned me out.
For HTC:
1.04 plain and simply ROCKS. From the FM to the Ju88. Other thing is that I like or dislike some things, but that is another thing completely different. 1.04 is way more realistic than 1.03 was and THAT deserves a SALUTE and a hat off.
And thanks both HT and Pyro for your time in private channels. I know you both were very busy, still you had time for me.
My respect for both you and HTC as a whole can only increase with each day that passes by...
But when I get so emotionally involved with a sim I think that its time to think seriously in what is the best solution for everyone...
I dont want to go. Never wanted. But if this problem somehow doesnt solve then I guess that for everyone (community, HTC and me), the best is me leaving aces high.
I hope to have expressed myself clearly and I pray for no misinterpretations happening.
Have had enough of that for a long,long time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-09-2000).]
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Stay, go, whatever.
Just please do it in 500 words or less.
I don't mean to be rude, but I think most of the people giving you crap in the arena were simply suffering from R.O.F. (Ram Opinion Fatigue)
This is an unusual medical condition resulting from excessive, continual exposure to overly verbose, pedantic, argumentative, self-righteous opinions from an individual under the mistaken belief that the arena is sitting on the edge of their seats with baited breath waiting to find out if Ram is staying or leaving.
Try spending more time flying than commenting for a while Ram. I think you'll enjoy the game more, and I know the rest of the community will.
Regards,
Wab
[This message has been edited by AKWabbit (edited 09-09-2000).]
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Mi Querido RAM;
Comprendo tu pasion. Dejame darte el consejo de un latino que ha vivido toda su vida en los EE.UU. Nuestros companeros norte americanos tienen mucho mas control de sus emociones y mas paciencia que nosotros. Esto naturalmente en una generalizacion pero quizas esa es la razon por la cual te caen encima cada vez que dices cualquier cosa. Yo tambien tenia reservaciones pero mi primera impresion es que el nuevo modelo es mas realistico. Mi opinion solamente pero te dire que yo tengo licensia de piloto comercial y suficiente experiencia con estos simuladores para reconocer lo bueno y lo malo. Que dices si le damos un par de semanas a ver si nos acostumbramos.
Beeger
Short Translation: We latins aren't called hot blooded for nothing guys we tend to jump on emotional issues. Our Yankee friends are mostly calmer and take a wait/see attitude. I for one like the new FM. Suspect that if we give this a couple of weeks we'll like it a lot. Also, RAM, your English is excellent and as I tell my multiple overseas contacts, never apologize for your English as it's much better than my French, German, Italian, Polish or Swahili, LOL
Originally posted by RAM:
OK, gentlemen. Last words in this issue. I am posting this bot in a new thread and here because I think it is an important issue.
<snip>
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-09-2000).]
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Folks....let's give the new FM some time. First of all we didn't really get to see what it is like! People were warping all over the place, and I'm sure my connection was not better. From the overload on the server to download the new FM and HiRes file there were going to be lags in the MA. Hell....I was 400 out on the 6 of a Nik and in a blink of an eye he warped aroound to my 6! Captain Kirk would have been proud of the Nik pilot engaging warp drive at that time. As Obi Wan said to Luke....."Patience young Skywalker" give the new FM a chance....I'm not particularly pleased with the changes to the A5, but I'll get used to them. Lets wait till the connection settles down before we judge...we need to get a good connection for quality flying time to judge the new FM.
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I got one thing to add to this thread!!!!
"Opinions are like oscarholes, everyone's got one but it always stinks!"
Now on with your realism vs difficulty jibber jabbering.
-SW
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jeez!
RAM, what the he11 makes you think you're so important that people should stop and reevaluate teir opinions just because you say you're quitting. and do you really think you're so important that people are going to read that million-page novel you just wrote what you're feeling when they could be playing the game for themselves? sorry to burst your bubble, but i don't care if you quit or stay. just do it in 500 words or less!
Black Hammer
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Originally posted by RAM:
OK, gentlemen. Last words in this issue. I am posting this bot in a new thread and here because I think it is an important issue.
First of all I want to make clear that I am writing this as clear as I can, slowly, and with a english-spanish dictionary in front of me.
I want to state first that I know where I am and why am I here. I know I am a passionate guy that sometimes overreact but I am too a guy that is completely mistook in many of my posts.
HO posts,and 1.2K kill posts were done in the way they were taken. Things that piss me off so hard that I explode. OK then.
But other posts are completely misread. EZmode comes to mind here as a good example.
See, I am spanish and my knowledge of english is limited. I dont know how to express myself sometimes, and for a guy that ALWAYS wants to communicate his ideas and feelings it is a very bad experience, believe me.
When EZmode discussion first came to AH, and when CT was discussed , I said the same as I did in the open letter for HTC thread. But the words were others, as in the latter I took nearly 90 minutes of my time to post and refine it. The message was the same, as my status in this matter, EZ mode is not of my taste and if it was mixed in MA with no Realmode arena, then I would leave, but to return as soon as a realmode arena was created in AH. With no hard feelings, and NO threat. It is only a statement, my position and opinion.
Many took my posts as a "I quit" threat. It wasnt a threat, but only a statement. But here everybody took the "i quit" thing but not everything else in those posts. (HT did it too, I know because he told me that I do the "i quit" too many times).
I had to put a open letter for HTC and everyone saluted me...when i was putting EXACTLY the same message as in the previous posts...what is the difference?...that when I write english by myself my expressions are the ones I KNOW to write. Pyro told me that some of my posts sound real threatening, while in many of them I only try to say what I think.
I threatened to quit once, yes. SOmething stopped me the last moment. I had 5 days that when I took a Fw190A8 over 350IAS and 3G the wings ALWAYS broke. The pissing off situation made me go ballistic and I posted that I was leaving.
Since then I NEVER threatened to leave Aces High. EZmode thing was only a statement, my position and opinion about a possible development in AH that I wont share, but I always made clear that I would return as soon as I shared further development. Is that a threat? I dont think so, still many mistook those posts, as I said above.
In many of my posts I may sound harsh but In MANY of them it is only a language barrier. I try to explain what I feel and think, PUTTING IN CAPS THE THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). Some people think that this is harsh. It isnt (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) at least it isnt intended to be.
Said that, about 1.04. First of all I want to tell you something that may help you in understanding why dont I like the new FM.
I started some days ago a new squad intended to help and train newbies in MA. I started working with some of them in MA, and putting up a webpage with hints and help (thanks Staga). I have currently all but british planes commented (only LW posted, tho) and ready to be posted.
The new FM has killed all my work on those comments, and has killed me as CO of a training squadron. Why? because I cant train others in how to fly if I by myself dont know to do it!!!...Erg/Jg26 has no more future right now, and as a thing in wich I have put so much illusion, work, and thinking, to see all the work wasted is very sad.
this is the first reason.
Second, I am a E-fighting guy, and love BnZ. This new FM has killed most of the effectiveness of these ways of flying, so I must relearn and reeducate my flying from the start. While learning to fly takes long and is hard, to FORGET what you have learned and relearn with new rules is VERY annoying. Plus, I dont like TnB and new FM favours a lot TnB, much more than previous FM. That is the second reason.
And while I was quite decent guy to fly in the defensive, the new FM makes speed bleeding a real pain, even with full rudder use, so making painfully difficult to force overshoots and reverse tables in planes as Fw190...and this is the third reason.
I like that the new FMs are more accurate and realistic. I agree in making AH as accurate as possible. I love EVERY ONE of the other new features. But ,while I agree that new FM is accurate realistic and neccesary I DONT LIKE IT. I think it is understandable.
But in no way I am saying that new FM is porked, or not accurate. Read my posts from avobe I say that I dont like it!.
Will take time, yes and maybe I would get used to it somehow. The new FM is NOT the reason because I am thinking in leaving. The reaction of the people to my opinions is what does it.
I tried new FM for a good while (maybe 4 hours), when someone said in #1 channel "new FM rocks". I answered "I disagree, E-fighting is now REALLY difficult, I dont like it.
Next 4 lines in buffer had the word "whiner" inserted in it.
So I tried to state why dont I like the FM. Each time I tried it there was a "whiner" answer (most times multiple of them) in the buffer for me.
Well I decided to shut up and keep on flying. After 1 hour or so StSanta said in #1 that he didnt like the new FM. before I could say "I agree" there was one line calling him WHINER. That was 5 seconds, not more, before Stsanta's line and mine. And someone was faster to call him "whiner" than mine to say "I agree".
Of course then the flamewar started. One community versus two guys with an opinion different than theirs. I tried to explain why didnt I like the new FM again, but, as before, the flamewar was heating even more with each try.
And then funked came in and called us "luftwhiners"...and I went ballistic. That was when I said in #1 that for a sim that is now 50% more expensive that what it was when I first came, and is putting serious strain in my money, I didnt know if It was worth the flamewar I was getting from everyone there only because I think different than them.
(note that in NO MOMENT I said that I was going to leave due the new FM thing).
Then the hammer fell on me. From "good bye" and "take care" lines until "lol you kid go home" thing. And then I came here and posted my post on Nath11's thread.
I dont say I go out because the new FM, never said it and would never NEVER go because that.
I say that I am weighting if it is worth for me paying to have such disgusts as the one I had yersterday night.
Still Funked says "give the new FM a 2 week try". I was WANTING To do it, I WANT to do it.
But this thing has NOTHING To do with the new FM, but with the thing I felt yesterday on MA whith everyone jumping on Stsanta and me, and I later saw in this board (for example hblair "quote" thing was a hurting pain in the moral state I was)
All this makes me think that if I am good for this sim and if this sim is good for me. If this is an "I quit" threat, then ok, it is.
I talked a bit with HT later. I wont say what we talked, but I ended really morally broken and very worried...
A bit later I was talking with pyro,too on MA. I wont say what we talked, neither, only I can say THANK YOU PYRO...you helped me a lot, and I know you must have been VEERY busy while talking with me, and I much appreciate your words. Lots of good advices in your words...so THANKS!
I only want to say this to the community:
For all you think that the sheep that doesnt bleat at the same thime and with the same strenght than the other sheeps in the flock deserves to be clubbed...YOU are the reason that I am thinking in going or staying. This is NO FM matter, it is simply that the flames I got yesterday really burned me out.
For HTC:
1.04 plain and simply ROCKS. From the FM to the Ju88. Other thing is that I like or dislike some things, but that is another thing completely different. 1.04 is way more realistic than 1.03 was and THAT deserves a SALUTE and a hat off.
And thanks both HT and Pyro for your time in private channels. I know you both were very busy, still you had time for me.
My respect for both you and HTC as a whole can only increase with each day that passes by...
But when I get so emotionally involved with a sim I think that its time to think seriously in what is the best solution for everyone...
I dont want to go. Never wanted. But if this problem somehow doesnt solve then I guess that for everyone (community, HTC and me), the best is me leaving aces high.
I hope to have expressed myself clearly and I pray for no misinterpretations happening.
Have had enough of that for a long,long time (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 09-09-2000).]
Well, Im not "moraly broke", but now I have a headache.
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Why can't y'all just leave RAM alone? I understand very clearly what he said. (very good English, RAM) If someone has their own opinion, don't call them a whiner, and anyways, Creamo, do you have a headache cause "words hurting brain....words not about me!"
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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Thanks for the words about me texace. My headache is now gone.
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Originally posted by RAM:
............But when I get so emotionally involved with a sim I think that its time to think seriously in what is the best solution for everyone......
<ding ding ding! alarms going off in Fury's head>
Let me speak from personal experience Ram and let me be blunt. In no way, shape, or form should the Internet, a computer, or a computer game have an adverse affect on your real life. There are so many more important things.
I realize you did not come out and say that AH is having any affect on your life. But I read a statement like that, I think of where I was two years ago, and bells go off in my head. My personal experience was made up of an unhealthy amount of time and involvement in a game, and my feelings/attitudes about what went on there bled over into my real life feelings.
AH and gaming is now a pastime, or hobby, for me....which is as it should be. Even if I was not married with three kids, and had all kinds of time to spend playing....it's really not worth it (or healthy) to get over involved in a game.
I'm not saying that I don't toss a few choice words at my computer monitor; I'm not saying that I don't look forward to playing AH; and I hope this is not taken too personally or the wrong way. I'm just saying from personal experience that there's more to life than getting "so emotionally involved" (not my words) in a game.
<<edit: your statement "the best solution for everyone" should read "the best solution for me". Screw everyone else and do what's best for you.>>
Mike
[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 09-09-2000).]
[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 09-09-2000).]
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gezzz can't we all get along.
<group hug>
I don't care about the FM, the score, or whatever. I just goto the MA and fly, makes the game MUCH easier.
(Also squelch 1 is good too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
RAM take a break, get away for a little while, ten bucks say's you're back before next Tuesday. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Beefcake, the voice of reason...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ok..... Call a priest.
Hell must definitely be freazing over if Beefcake is being the peacemaker (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Geesh man.
Because of a language barrier, it is possible for there to be some communications glitches.
So, the guy tries to eliminate them. By explaining in more detail what he means.
And what happens? "Keep 500 words or less"!
Who are we to tell him not to clarify things that were *obviously* either intentionally or unintentionally misunderstood?
As far as who he is; a paying customer. Just like all you other important people. And, to a lesser extent, me.
RAM has gone off the long end a few times, but with things like HO's and whatnot, is it to be taken seriously? Hell, I've made a few pissed off posts about that, after being killed, immediately logging in here and posting.
This time around, RAM hasn't even been offensive. He hasn't called anyone any names. He's taken time to clarify his position, and he has dared to go against the main stream, knowing that there are others who feel in a similar manner about the "you whiner" crowd. I've had a few of those approach me as well.
What is also blatantly apparent is the cultural differences in action. Americans approach a matter and a behaviour one way, Spaniards another, Danes yet a third. All sides are probably gulty of a bit of close mindedness regarding the other side. For all the American bashing I've done, I try to manage to see the other sides point, or, if this fails, see where he is coming from and why he makes a claim or puts an issue in a certain way.
As a teenager, I grew up hanging around an Argentinian friend, and later on, his Latin comrades. How can I say this, they have a rather different approach to matters than the average Dane and (generalising wildly) tend to be a bit more passionate (for better or worse). I can appreciate why RAm is putting hings the way he is.
Americans OTOH, still puzzle me. Sometimes I think I'm fascinated with them because of it. I think I got them all figured out, and then something very odd happens and I'm left scratching my head. I think it's very cool (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Like this. A clarification, rather coldly (for a Spaniard (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)), after some (intentionally) and others (unintentionally) misread an original message. Then a lot of flames for this. There is a reason, probably the ram fatigue you are talking about, but I am not quite getting it. There exists a possibility that the cultural differences have manifested themselves in such a way that this result was inevitable - each side not budging or trying real hard to see where the other is coming from. Not only addressing the points raised, but also where they come from and why they're put in a certain way. All the baggage in other words.
This is more than 500 words. I am outta school, and I ain't limiting my posts to any limit set by anyone but myself. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
New fm - 109 is hard to kill in for me. Some idiocyncracies, which might or might not get fixed. I hated it early on for several reasons, some of which (like rudder slip speed decrease == 0) I share with ram. Two times have I had cons very close to my 6 but been unable to produce an overshot, with them settling in d230 or so after a minute, and eventually after some struggling getting the kill. But, nevermind, I'll learn.
Still not comfortable with it, and still flying the 190A8, but in a quite different way (which is interesting, because there's not many ways you can fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)).
There's been some great fights, and once the inconsistencies are rooted out and I learn what can and cannot be done, I'm sure I'll like it.
Long post, but no one forced ya to read it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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RAM, ya goes or stays as you please that's your call.
The rest of ya jerk offs, so trying ta explain oneself has to be done in less than 500 words, but it's ok ta go 1,500 words, with footnotes and flowcharts, on some obscure minutia of some stupid bellybutton varient of a particular plane? Who died and made y'all God? Huh? Think that pixel manipulation skill of yorn has suddenly given ya power over all? PUH-LEEZE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY JERRY ! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Every plane seems easier to use ..... but i still see em flip floppin outta the sky cuz they "lost it" , the overall speed of the game has increase prolly 40-70mph (i dont mean max speeds) an thus can sustain a great deal more turning, that goes for ALL the planes thus the "advantage" is distributed evenly. I still black out (more so now) and still do that silly lawndart thing (but will never admit it in the MA) and overall , i like the new FM , as much as i liked the old one , as far as the costs of playing this game ,,, sheeeeezzzzz QUALITY costs MONEY and this is quality for CHEAP !
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Minutia. Cool, a new name for funked.
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Minutia is what FM's, historical accuracy, and computer programs are all about. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't be discussing the topic.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-09-2000).]
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I think minutia is what your about.
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Minutia, I thought that was placenta....oops nevermind..wrong thread...
Geez guys, just fly the thing and have fun. I like the fact that the numbers guys keep after HT and Co. on the accuracy. I don't know if the FM is "more" accurate now, but it's a hell of alot more fun. The fights last longer and are more intense! For me, I like it.
For all this other crap....Go , Stay, Explain tell your blue in the face as to why your are right/wrong/offended....its a friggin game. It's a fun one, but a game all the same.
If you can do it better, then pony up to the bar, spend YOUR money and build your sim. That way we can try it, squeak about it, and tell you how YOU should do it. But you do have the freedom to state your opinions on this BBS, and I agree with your freedom to do that. Just don't be surprised when it comes back at you just as strong.
Goodnight and Thank You
Cobra
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You're absolutely correct Easymo. I'm an engineer. That's what we do. Minutia is the difference between a safe flight and a smoking hole in the ground. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-10-2000).]
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It figures.
Im a machanic. What I do for a living, is figure out how to make what enganeers designe
work in the real world.
A client of mine bought a $130,000.00 machine 2 weeks ago. He called me in a panic, after it completely shut down after 3 whole days of operation. I had to modify 4 parts. And completely fabricate 1 part. Just to get it to run ( If you put steel set screws in an aluminum pully. The steel is'nt whats gonna give, when it starts getting banged around). To bad they dont teach common sense at MIT.
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Fortunatly for me, As far as my ISP is concerned it's "funked, who?" When you can come down from yon lofty perch, then mayhaps you would stand a small chance that I could be swayed by incessant nitpicking and that lovely little catch-all of yours, "If you don't have a degree, get lost" My, such arrogance is usually reserved for us combat vets to use on you low-life civvies, but since +/- degrees per second is what the games is all about, not having fun, I would venture to say you are correct, I shouldn't be here, And I sincerly hope HTC can attract as many engineers as they can.
(BTW, US Army COMBAT engineer, you draw bridges, I build them sonny)
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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Heh, you build them - while being shot at (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
But, I find funked to be down to earth. First time I've heard him say he's an engineer (but my memory might be short).
Common sense is just that, common. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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<Salute> Easymo excellent point. Obviously it takes both kinds of people to make stuff work. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PZVG I never said anything remotely like this: "If you don't have a degree, get lost"
I'm not the one who came on this thread and started squeaking about what people were posting. Nath asked me a question and I answered it the best I could.
And as a matter of fact, the person on this BBS whose opinions I respect the most, and who has taught me more about aeronautics than anyone, does not have a degree.
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Peace guys...peace...You can always sign up for WarBirds at http://www.iencentral.com/warbirds (http://www.iencentral.com/warbirds)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Give me a reason to funked... prove to me in my other thread that its realistic... I can't find myself playing this game if the FM isnt realistic. It seems like every plane flies so easily compared to before... not just in turns, but everything, stalls for one.
well Nath u been playing all this time with
a unrealistic FM, why quit now?? just because
u cant kill so easy now??? <G>
Whels
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Whewww, guys cool down. Wait some days for the incoming patch(es). The first will be out today. HTC is usually VERY fast to listen to customers feed back.
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Originally posted by funked:
<Salute> Easymo excellent point. Obviously it takes both kinds of people to make stuff work. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PZVG I never said anything remotely like this: "If you don't have a degree, get lost"
I'm not the one who came on this thread and started squeaking about what people were posting. Nath asked me a question and I answered it the best I could.
And as a matter of fact, the person on this BBS whose opinions I respect the most, and who has taught me more about aeronautics than anyone, does not have a degree.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-10-2000).]
Gee thanks funked I think your great too..
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Pongo I thought you had a degree in hamburgerology?
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Am I flying the same sim as some of you?
"It's harder to E fight now"
"cancel all B&Z planes"
Didn't HT say that issues with the update would be addressed.
Is it possible some of you just do not know what your doing?
Is there anyone that replied to this post with actual RL hours logged that can tell me that this flight model is porked? I have those hours and I can honestly tell you that its not like real life flight, but the feel is enjoyably close, especially for sitting in front of a monitor.
Oh...I almost forgot...this sim is sooo expensive...shame on ya for cryin like babies...if you can't have fun, please do me a favor....just leave and go complain to the guys at WWIIOnline!
Now I don't dislike any of you....and I don't mean this personally towards anyone, but please, 10 years of hearing the same old crap has finally got the best of me.
I'm Out! (of patience)
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ICE-Chill!!
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Well, the thing that brings me closer to "uninstall" than anything is the continual infighting.
Everyone's opinion is valuable. Some can be stated usefully, some can't.
There is no one "right" way to play this game.
Everyone isn't going to like everyone. This doesn't give us license to disparage one another.
Squelch doesn't work for everyone. I feel I need to listen to the radio and read this BBS- it helps me get an idea what people want to see in the game, what irritates them, what went well, etc. This information I can use for scenarios and such. Unfortunately it isn't all pleasant. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)