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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on November 11, 2002, 12:03:53 PM
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In light of all of beetles posts that are simply thinnly veiled and misguided patriotism..... I thought we would just skip the next 20 or 30 "U.S. vs british this or that" threads and cut to the chase...
Is there anything worth coveting in england that we haven't allready bought or stolen? I mean, besides Scotland (which probly won't be theirs much longer anyway) and a bunch of old buildings?
I mean... there might be but I just don't see why, if there was, we wouldn't simply have it by now. Maybe I missed something?
lazs
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Elizabeth Hurley
I know she is a slut but I dont care !!!!!!
Oh yea and Guiness is pretty good compared to Bud
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I don't think so Lazs... we'd alreay have it if there were.
Wait... don't you own a Healy? And don't I own a Mini?
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Krusher
Elizabeth Hurley
I know she is a slut but I dont care !!!!!!
Oh yea and Guiness is pretty good compared to Bud
Elizabeth Hurley is more tastey than Guiness. But Guiness has never said no to my advances.
AKDejaVu
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Convertible sports cars.
Oh, wait. Ford, Honda, and BMW all own the British manufacturers now.
Ok, never mind.
Well, then, I would say England has the better F1 race teams (Ferrari is the best and we know where those come from).
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Accents.
I talk to people form Tennesee and Mississippi all day.
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uhhh deja..... even when they were new all the healey's came here.. more than 90% were built with left hand drive. the "mini" is made by BMW isn't it?
lazs
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Honestly, I can't think of a thing. But I don't concern myself with their affairs in any way, so maybe I'm just unaware of what I am missing.
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We're certainly not going for the food. :)
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thrawn.... I find southern accents to be pleasant but I find british accents to either be uninteligable or.... effeminate. nothing in between. While in england I commented that i couldn't understand a word this brit was saying. He laughed of course, and from what I could get out of the garbled words he was spouting.... he felt that he was speaking correctly and that I was the one with the 'orrible accent... I asked him why, if that were true, that while I couldn't understand a thing he was saying, he could understand every word that I said.
lazs
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They're better at spitting through that gap in their front teeth.
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Originally posted by lazs2
uhhh deja..... even when they were new all the healey's came here.. more than 90% were built with left hand drive. the "mini" is made by BMW isn't it?
lazs
Mini is owned by BMW... its still built in England. Where was your healey built?
But... even when it comes to cars, the brits make a good car better by moving the steering wheel to the propper side.
But really... that's it. England has pretty much blandized ever other thing in their country... usualy through hours and hours of soaking in boiling water.
AKDejaVu
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psst... Guinness is Irish, not English.
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deja... i will disagree on british cars. They make beautiful cars but they are junk. If you want a good british car you have to scrap all the british parts. Every one you keep is a potential disaster. Your mini is much like my healey in that it has very little other than the look of the body to do with the original.
lazs
funked said in response to the terror squirrle attack in england that was only stopped by a grandfather with an illeagal air rifle... "Wow if they had a rabid racoon I bet they'd have to call in NATO to bring over a .22 or something."
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even though I'm not a limey.......
William Shakespeare......
Led Zeppelin......
Pink Floyd.......
SpitFires......
Stories
Camelot.....KING Arthur and the round table.
JRR Tolkien
Lord of the Rings
Sherlock Holmes.....
Something Americans Don't have
Medieval History.....
SlowHand
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Originally posted by SLO
Something Americans Don't have
Medieval History.....
SlowHand
Is that a bad thing?
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don't mess with slowhand.. he da' man :)
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course not......:p
If it wasn't for the english...you wouldn't have a country.
History is what the English have...good or bad.
SlowHand.
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Name something from the past 30 years?
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"Tea, haggis, boiled beef ribs and blood pudding!"
On this list only the tea does not make me want to vomit!
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Harry Potter.......:eek:
wish i was married to that lady who wrote those books.......
RICH RICH I say!!!!!!!
SlowHand
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SAS...they will eat any of their US counterparts alive.
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wooooooooow hortland......I see ya like dreaming.
SAS good
Navy good
Spetnaz good
Mossad good
SlowHand
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The Sex Pistols.
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Good point on Harrypotter.
Hmm
SAS is good, but are they truely that much better then the SEALS? or Delta force?
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ack, gaaggg.. harry potter ?!?
just another thing to put on the 'Extremely Annoying' list
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
SAS is good, but are they truely that much better then the SEALS? or Delta force?
Yeah, they are.
Let me put it this way, SAS are the ones who trained the first batch of Deltas.
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Ok, well you brought it up:
1) Culture.
2) Cool accents.
3) History.
4) more culture.
5) Kings n stuff.
6) Fish n chips (that crap thats passed off in malls in the US simply aint right)
7) Decent non waxy chocolate.
8) Yet more culture (with some history thrown in)
9) Red Dwarf, Blackadder, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Bottom....
10) Rain (British rain has been around so long it's got a personality)
11) Cricket.
12) Giant Haystacks (he could kick The Rock's arse)
13) Jenga.
14) The Vincent Black Shadow (pah, Harley my arse)
15) Underground power/phone lines (all dem wires all over Texas spoils it)
16) Even more culture.
17) Intelligent people (I've seen US Weakest Link.....you guys is REALLY stoopid).
18) AND.....we DONT have Dan Quayle :p
19) Or Ricki Lake......or Jerry Springer.
20) And we've got France 26 miles away which means we can buy bottles of wine for 25p each....would you like to take France? Go on...please?
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And 21) What Hortland said.
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1) Culture.
Hmm you run from poor little gray squirrels!
2) Cool accents.
my buddy married a British chick and I could barley understand her, she was also a cheating potato
3) History.
Maybe but we are talking about current stuff, what has the UK done recently, other then make history with squirrels?
4) more culture.
Bah, this only counts once.
5) Kings n stuff.
Great if for funny new stories, like in the enquirer
6) Fish n chips (that crap that's passed off in malls in the US simply is not right)
Like fishnchips is all that good anyway. Give me a inNout burger
7) Decent non waxy chocolate.
Giridelli is pretty good
8) Yet more culture (with some history thrown in)
still only counts once
9) Red Dwarf, Blackadder, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Bottom....
You list this as good?
10) Rain (British rain has been around so long it's got a personality)
LOL no comment
11) Cricket.
lol do people really watch it?
12) Giant Haystacks (he could kick The Rock's arse)
Giant trucks!!
13) Jenga.
No comment Not in a bad way.
14) The Vincent Black Shadow (pah, Harley my arse)
I do not get this one?
15) Underground power/phone lines (all dem wires all over Texas spoils it)
ok good point, but who likes Texas anyway?
16) Even more culture.
BAh!
17) Intelligent people (I've seen US Weakest Link.....you guys is REALLY stoopid).
lol like you do not have your share
18) AND.....we DONT have Dan Quayle
DOH!!
19) Or Ricki Lake......or Jerry Springer.
Benny hill and Mr bean?
20) And we've got France 26 miles away which means we can
buy bottles of wine for 25p each....would you like to take France? Go on...please?
That is so not a good thing, I will pay higher priced to be far from France!
:D
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I will pay higher priced to be far from France!
you ain't payin' enough they moved in and took over canada
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Pomposity? ;)
Chocolate bars.
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1) Culture.
Yes, I love the way the British refuse to use the metric system or decimalize their money or adapt the Euro.
Oh, wait...
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1 of America's best known symbol is French......
Farmers became americans after the french helped kick the english out.....new country born
2 words
French Kiss :D
Champagne
too late we here now :p
SlowHand
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Well... in terms of cars... England is closer to Germany... so does that count? :D
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Originally posted by Swoop
Ok, well you brought it up:
1) Culture.
2) Cool accents.
3) History.
4) more culture.
5) Kings n stuff.
6) Fish n chips (that crap thats passed off in malls in the US simply aint right)
7) Decent non waxy chocolate.
8) Yet more culture (with some history thrown in)
9) Red Dwarf, Blackadder, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Bottom....
10) Rain (British rain has been around so long it's got a personality)
11) Cricket.
12) Giant Haystacks (he could kick The Rock's arse)
13) Jenga.
14) The Vincent Black Shadow (pah, Harley my arse)
15) Underground power/phone lines (all dem wires all over Texas spoils it)
16) Even more culture.
17) Intelligent people (I've seen US Weakest Link.....you guys is REALLY stoopid).
18) AND.....we DONT have Dan Quayle :p
19) Or Ricki Lake......or Jerry Springer.
20) And we've got France 26 miles away which means we can buy bottles of wine for 25p each....would you like to take France? Go on...please?
You left off leaving. Leaving England is defenately better than leaving the USA :D
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Do a google image search on "Kelly Brook". English squadie pointed her out to me.
:D
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She looks good here.
(http://www.rodsterino.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/50sexiest.jpg)
But here?
(http://www.rodsterino.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/recent/kellybrookpeople.jpg)
Still ok, but not that great?
I hope this isn't going to get me banned?
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Understand, I am not ragging on the British; I don't presume to know enough about them to tell them how to run their country. It doesn't work both ways though, it seems. I'm sure there is much about the culture and country I don't know.
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A word, or two, on the language.
I rented Sexy Beast yesterday. I could not make out a word they where saying. It needed subtitles. Now before they say its OUR language. Let me point out that I have heard the Queen speak. I understood every word she spoke. And its the Queens english.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Ok, well you brought it up:
12) Giant Haystacks (he could kick The Rock's arse)
LOL I forgot all about Giant Haystacks!
England... I love the countryside, the vast history and culture, it's many inventions and eccentricism... blah, blah, and not forgetting comedy, something that the US seriously lack ;).... and this is coming from a half-English person! ;)
BTW, what's this about crap English food? English food might not be brilliant but what does the US have to offer???? Burger? Hot-Dogs?
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BTW
"(I've seen US Weakest Link.....you guys is REALLY stoopid). "
Its spelled stupid .
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
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But here?
(http://www.rodsterino.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/recent/kellybrookpeople.jpg)
Still ok, but not that great?
She perked them up to get a discount on the labor charges, but didn't want to go to the trouble to do her makeup (hence the big glasses). The shirt obviously was something an elementary school child left in her front yard the day before her tire went flat.
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... are the Page Three girls, such as Jo Hicks (pictured below).
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Originally posted by ra
Yes, I love the way the British refuse to use the metric system or decimalize their money or adapt the Euro.
Oh, wait...
I refuse.
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culture and history? kinda intangible. knights and all? we can buy that stuff..
so far... all I see that is of any interest is old buildings and if we want em we will just buy em. In england they just get in the way of making the roads useful.
Special forces? probly not a nickles worth of difference these days between all the major ones.. dont see the sas helping the irish situation much.
there is a point tho about riki lake and all ... they do have a LACK of variety that can be a good thing... no... take it back.. it's never a good thing. I will just have to suffer with rikki. Nope... not having something is not what I was looking for.
lazs
funked said in response to the terror squirrle attack in england that was only stopped by a grandfather with an illeagal air rifle... "Wow if they had a rabid racoon I bet they'd have to call in NATO to bring over a .22 or something."
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Wow.. I can't believe you had to actually list your proximity to France to get 20 things on the list.
AKDejaVu
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They have porn in their newspapers.
And Goodwood.
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They had a paper in Denmark that had the "student" of the month... a 17 year old girl... topless.
AKDejaVu
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Admit defeat USA..You lose!
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(http://www.celebritysexnews.com/art/roseannenude.jpg)
Surrender or I'll post more.
ra
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SAS, didn't they get killed or captured by the Iraqis during DS?
Culture, American culture is much more in demand world wide than the Brit variety.
Vincent motorcycles, new ones are built in the USA. At least that is what the cover of a magazine I saw today said.
The Brit auto racing industry is the best though.
I think Brit TV documentories are great.
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lived there, Tynemouth for a alittle over a year in '71 when I was 12.
things a 12 year old found better:
Double Decker buses - you could go anywhere, great amss transportation for a kid & safe in those days
the hobby store
the chemistry lab I set up in the basement, we rented the basement, upstairs & downstairs in a row house which held 2 to 3 british families otherwise. chemistry teacher gave me a bunson burner and some glassware, pharmacy down the road was like having your own laboratory
castles - one right down the road
twirley wurlys - chocolate covered carmel twisted sticks
Fish and chips and mince meat pies - haven't found anything in US to compare to the brit originals
Snow - moved from New Orleans and had never seen it
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what was worse - TV - old US reruns or brit humor I didn't get or mature subjects I couldnt watch and the tele didn't go on the air until around 6 or 7pm
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(yes...I know Giggs is Welsh btw)
Tronsky
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Pubs. I've been to "Pubs" in the U.S. They are not Pubs. We in the U.S. haven't even the slightest idea of what a Pub is supposed to be. I miss Pubs.....
Tumor
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Kelly Brook? Oh, please. She is like Jordan. All they are sticks with fake boobs. It's not unique to the UK (we have Pam And), but give me Kate Beckinsale over them anyday.
What I love about the UK:
Real public bus transportation.
Trains.
Women who know how to drink.
High Streets.
The fact that you are never more than 3 hours from a coast.
British humor.
Football.
Refrigerated chocolate vending machines.
What I dislike about the UK.
Everything is 220V and requires huge outlet transformers.
A half hour of adverts before a movie starts.
Pubs close too early.
Food is expensive (maybe US is just really cheap)
Taxes are outrageous.
No one lives in detached homes, and housing costs in general are outrageous.
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pissin' the night away???
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-some of the comedy that has come from the Brits has been pretty damn good- the Monty Pythons Flying Circus guys! nobody mentioned 'em!
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Marauder, yeah I did.
Mickey, it's 240v.
Tumor, yup.
Tronski, Welsh is British.
Jack55, an 8 man SAS patrol known as Bravo 2-0 was cut off behind enemy lines, radio didnt work either. They made their way on foot through the worst winter Iraq had seen in 20 years to within sight of the Syrian border.....leaving over 200 Iraqi's dead in their wake and many more hospitalised. Yeah they did get captured (all but one) but they didnt reveal any useful info despite horrendous torture. Now....you were saying?
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Elizabeth Hurley is more tastey than Guiness. But Guiness has never said no to my advances.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Elizabeth Hurley
I know she is a slut but I dont care !!!!!!
Oh yea and Guiness is pretty good compared to Bud
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Hmmm, on second thought; Five words:
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British Inventions/Patents/Firsts:
TV
Telephone
Jet Engine
The World Wide Web
Electric Batteries
Electric Lightbulb
'Cat's Eye' road reflector
Powered Flight
Carbonated Water
Lawnmower
Steel Ribbed Umbrella
The Geologic Timescale
Reflecting Telescopes
Railways
Spinning Jenny - textiles (Kicking off Industrial Revolution)
The Kelvin Temperature scale (defined in relation to absolute zero)
Rubber and Latex
Graphite (Pencils)
Refrigeration
Electrical Generator
Electric Motor
Screwdriver (used in Knight's armour)
Sextant
Newtonian Telescope
Toilet Paper!
The Paperclip
Steam Engines
Iron Steam Ships (the largest Steam ship ever built, was constructed by perhaps the greatest engineer ever - Brunel)
Bagless Vacuum cleaner
Clockwork Radio
Parliamentary Democracy
Modern Military Structure
In addition to these more historic inventions, a recent Japanese survey revealed that in the last 50 years, 40% of inventions that found global implementation originated from the UK. At international invention expositions, the UK regularly wins top awards for innovation.
As for culture and history, as enlightened and knowledgeable as Laz and co are, there's more to it than 'Knights and stuff'.
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Originally posted by Jack55
SAS, didn't they get killed or captured by the Iraqis during DS?
So?
How many SEAL casualties in Grenada? Or Panama? Now there are some dangerous enemies.
Iran 1979 anyone?
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Originally posted by Swoop
Marauder, yeah I did.
I stand corrected. However in your original post next to Blackadder could have been Mr. Bean/Rowan Atkinson (all the same guy) -he's good:D
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Oh, as for the SAS. Well, they trained most of the Special Forces in the world, including the US, so I would hardly call them boy scouts. Same goes for the SBS.
And Laz, please explain to me how NI is supposed to be sorted out with Special Forces alone? I can see you're an expert on the subject. It must come from all that time you spend with your SWAT buddies.
Kieran - nobody tells the Yanks how to run their country on this board. Most 'foreigners' on this board couldn't care less about your Democrat vs Republican 'discussions'. As a complete outsider, it bores me stupid, which is no surprise. Foreign policy is a different matter, because it affects all of us, and therefore it is a fair target. The same goes for any nation, including Britain.
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Btw Laz, I highly recommend you look up the author Andy McNab. He's an ex SAS sgt who was part of the Bravo 2-0 patrol, wrote the book Bravo 2-0, two further non fiction books about the SAS and a whole series of fiction about life after the SAS.
You can read about what the SAS actually did in NI......
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Must admit to finding it a little odd to be gloating about a society's sucess due to its ability to buy or steal it........
Why do you think so many engineers at NASA are Brits - you buy them.
Good things here:-
1. knowing I can have a car accident and not lose my house family etc in bills or wonder who's going to pay for the ambulance.
2. A walk in the country 5 mins from home without worrying about getting a gun stuck in my face by the land owner.
3. Not having armed guards patroling the schools
4. REAL engineering talent - most F1 and sportscar racing stuff originates here - Ferrari - Ross Brawn - oh yes a Brit.
5. Better special forces - probably - funny how 4 Commando had to go to Afghanistan to do the tricky bits.
6. Real houses built on concrete foundations with bricks blocks and mortar - not matchwood.
Don't get me wrong it's far from perfect here. I've lived and worked in USA and like it but its far from perfect also.
Just remember as you watch your economy go down the pan - how ya going to buy all this good stuff when you have no money ?? - Oh yes you'll just steal it Laz .......... :rolleyes:
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Britain has much tougher squirrels then the U.S. :cool:
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Originally posted by funkedup
They have porn in their newspapers.
And Goodwood.
Naa....Germans have that too.
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Andy McNab.........muhahahaha:D
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I've met Andy McNab. Interesting guy.
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my gawd that's an UGLY person.. woah
(SirLoins picture of Bean)
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You serious?
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hmm... little touchy on the sas thing.. all I said was that there probly wasn't a nickles worth of difference between the better special forces. I believe that the sas trained our people in close quarters anti terrorist stuff but don't the sas train on swimmers on our west coast? Don't all the major forces train together often?
So... comedy... matter of taste. I would say that you can find more good comedy in the states with less effort. Inventions.... many are old news.. I don't live in the past but say 40% of all new inventions come out of england (does that include scotland?)... so what? They come here to develop em.. they live and work here. We buy em. music? what music do you have access to that we don't?
America is variety.. I believe that a "history" can be a hinderance as well as an asset. Hidebound might describe some british institutions. On the one hand you are proud of ideals set half a thousand years ago and on the other you scoff at our 200 year old constitution as being outdated. I believe england is blandness.
pubs and drinking... If that is all your life revolves around then you belong in england.. people live in pubs. And why not? have you seen the average house?
cars... I will admit that britan has some of the best race car development teams in the world. we contract with them all the time here but.... their cars are horrible and allways have been. terrible, unreliable junk. Beautiful tho in a lot of cases. even beetle won't drive one.
depressing weather.. That is enough to cinch it for me right there. An island... I hate the idea of an island. feel trapped.. where I live I can fill the tank with gas and either be in the mountains in the snow or on the beach or in the giant redwoods. You could spend a lifetime exploring the U.S... and people have.
stupid Americans? perhaps. It does seem unfair that such a stupid lot controls the world but ... what can you do?
lot of things wrong with America but they have to be wrong in order to have the climate that fosters so many things that are right.
british women.. I like british women.. the ones that aren't drunks. they seem very homey. I certainly wouldn't want them to vote here tho. course I don't want ours to vote either. end up like england.
lazs
funked said in response to the terror squirrle attack in england that was only stopped by a grandfather with an illeagal air rifle... "Wow if they had a rabid racoon I bet they'd have to call in NATO to bring over a .22 or something."
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Sorry Micky, Pam is ours. :D
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Yeah, I was at Durham uni from 1996-2000, he came and did a talk at the Union - promoting one of his books if I remember rightly. Reminded me of the racing drivers you see - Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill and Schumacher etc - not outspoken, quite quiet and self-controlled. Definitely not like the hollywood image. Seemed like an ordinary bloke - I even shook his hand. I remember thinking that those hands had probably killed more people than I've had hot dinners.
Yeah, met some interesting people while at uni. Paul Daniels, Martin Bell (war correspondant), a few MPs, some weird sex-change Peer (never quite understood the full story there, but he was some big black fella in a dress who talked like the Queen).
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Let's see now. America. Population 280 million. Huge natural resources, large oil fields. Able to develop in almost complete isolation from any threat for most of it's history.
Britain. Population 60 million. No natural resources at all. Relatively small oil/natural gas fields with high cost of extraction. Has had to defend itself against it's neighbours for its entire history. Has had to expand to maintain level of development and to preserve its sovereignty.
Comparing America and Britain is like comparing apples and oranges.
Laz - you know nothing about Britain. Really you don't. You didn't live over here for any length of time, obviously. No-one I know spends their entire lives in a pub. In fact, pubs are very much in decline over here. Shame, because a nice pint on a sunny summer's day in England is worth a milllion dollars.
You might be able to gloss over the fact that 40% of the world's innovation orginates from a tiny island off the coast of Europe, populated with nearly a fifth of the population of the US. 'We buy it', you say. What happens when you can't buy it anymore? Circumstances change, and relying on foreign ingenuity is not a recipe for long term success.
Most people in Britain couldn't give a rat's bellybutton about the concept of empire and Imperialism or Monarchy. It was another world away. But for some reason many Americans have this hang-up about it and it seems to be the first retort in any 'discussion' of this nature. It's laughable. Although I will say that the Empire would still be around if Britain's youth hadn't virtually bled to death on the battlefields of WW1. Not to mention the sacrifice of the Commonwealth.
As for trivialities like cars. I think American cars are horrible. It's a matter of taste. There's not one American sportscar I'd buy if I had the money. As for American owned British firms - GM owned Vauxhall is a joke. Is that the best GM can do? Fords range is poor, apart from the Focus. Give me a British made TVR Tuscan any day of the weak. Or how about the new MG sportscar coming out next year. Failing either of those I'd buy Japanese - an Evo, a Skyline or Impreza.
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the brits sent over some good rock and roll (for a while) but you could've kept Elton John .
as a matter of fact, the US is just the recipient of all the good things in other countries :)
it's good to live in the melting pot (most times)
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As Dowding has pointed out it is nearly impossible to compare England and the US so I suggest we look for individual items common to both countries to compare. Take, for instance, squirrels.
England's native squirrel is known as the Red Squirrel. America's native squirrel is known as the grey squirrel. The red squirrel is smaller and appears emasculated due to its bad teeth whereas the American Grey squirrel is larger, has a hull head of sharp teeth (ask any Brit who's been bitten by one) and, since introduced to England has proliferated and nearly driven the Red Squirrel to the brink of extention.
In fact there are cases in England of grey squirrels fighting foxes, so not only has the American Grey Squirrel banished the smaller, more moth eaten British Red Squirrel further down the food chain, but the Grey Squirrel is beginning to compete with all the mammals of the British Iles for dominance atop the food chain. I am confident the American Grey Squirrel, without the predatition common here in America, will grow larger and more ferocious with each generation and will soon be the most feared mammal in the British Isles.
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dowding.... the brits once controlled more of the worlds(known) resources than any other two countries combined.. apparently they did something wrong and we did something right.
sitting in a bar is worthless.
as for 40% of the worlds inventions... doubt it. even if it were true tho... why are you so backwards? what good does it do you? I maintain that in the U.S..... whatever we need we get. If we need to invent 40% of everything we will.
lazs
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I'm not sending them my squirrel gun.. uh uh no way
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tell u what is better in britan tho... newspapers... they don't pretend to be unbiased. they each have their particular bias and report as such.. you can choose... here we have media pretending to be unbiased when they are anything but.
lazs
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yeah, but then again.. we can get those newspapers over here :)
Internet
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Originally posted by lazs2
tell u what is better in britan tho... newspapers... they don't pretend to be unbiased. they each have their particular bias and report as such.. you can choose... here we have media pretending to be unbiased when they are anything but.
lazs
Are you saying that the British are so dumb that the bias of their papers has to be pointed out to them?
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ok, look....it all boils down to this:
USA and GB are allies, ever since that little spat we had (btw, the line "bombs bursting in air" was inspired by the Royal Navy shelling some fortress somewhere, so ya do have something to thank us for) we've always been and always will be allies. Now ask yourself this, if you really had to choose an allie.....who would you rather be fighting next to?
Exactly, now stfu ;).
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The Star Spangled Banner is about the fall of old Fort Detroit.
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U.S. Cracks Case of British Hacker
Tue Nov 12, 9:14 AM ET
By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal authorities have cracked the case of an international hacker who broke into roughly 100 unclassified U.S. military networks over the past year, officials said Monday.
Officials declined to identify the hacker, a British citizen, but said he could be indicted as early as Tuesday in federal courts in northern Virginia and New Jersey. Those U.S. court jurisdictions include the Pentagon (news - web sites) in Virginia and Picatiny Arsenal in New Jersey, one of the Army's premier research facilities.
The officials declined Monday to say whether this person was already in custody, but one familiar with the investigation, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said investigators consider the break-ins the work of a professional rather than a recreational hacker.
Authorities planned to announce details of the investigation Tuesday afternoon.
Officials said U.S. authorities were weighing whether to seek the hacker's extradition from England, a move that would be exceedingly rare among international computer crime investigations.
Officials said this hacker case has been a priority among Army and Navy investigators for at least one year. One person familiar with the investigation said the hacker broke into roughly 100 U.S. military networks, none of them classified. Another person said the indictments were being drafted to reflect break-ins to a "large number" of military networks.
In England, officials from the Crown Prosecution Service, Scotland Yard and the Home Office declined comment Monday.
A civilian Internet security expert, Chris Wysopal, said that a less-skilled, recreational hacker might be able to break into a single military network, but it would be unlikely that same person could mount attacks against dozens of separate networks.
"Whenever it's a multistage attack, it's definitely a more sophisticated attacker," said Chris Wysopal, a founding member of AtStake Inc., a security firm in Cambridge, Mass. "That's a huge investigation."
The cyber-security of U.S. military networks is considered fair, compared to other parts of government and many private companies and organizations. But until heightened security concerns after the Sept. 11 attacks, the Defense Department operated thousands of publicly accessible Web sites. Each represented possible entry-points from the Internet into military systems unless they were kept secured and monitored regularly.
It would be very unusual for U.S. officials to seek extradition. In previous major cyber-crimes, such as the release of the "Love Bug" virus in May 2000 by a Filipino computer student and attacks in February 2000 by a Canadian youth against major American e-commerce Web sites, U.S. authorities have waived interest in extraditing hacker suspects to stand trial here.
Once, the FBI (news - web sites) tricked two Russian computer experts, Vasily Gorshkov and Alexey Ivanov, into traveling to the United States so they could be arrested rather than extradited. The Russians were indicted in April 2001 on charges they hacked into dozens of U.S. banks and e-commerce sites, and then demanding money for not publicizing the break-ins.
FBI agents, posing as potential customers from a mock company called Invita Computer Security, lured the Russians to Seattle and asked the pair for a hacking demonstration, then arrested them. Gorshkov was sentenced to three years in prison; Ivanov has pleaded guilty but hasn't been sentenced.
But the Bush administration has toughened anti-hacking laws since Sept. 11 and increasingly lobbied foreign governments to cooperate in international computer-crime investigations. The United States and England were among 26 nations that last year signed the Council of Europe Convention on Cybercrime, an international treaty that provides for hacker extraditions even among countries without other formal extradition agreements.
There have been other, high-profile hacker intrusions into U.S. military systems.
In one long-running operation, the subject of a U.S. spy investigations dubbed "Storm Cloud" and "Moonlight Maze," hackers traced back to Russia were found to have been quietly downloading millions of pages of sensitive data, including one colonel's e-mail inbox. During three years, most recently in April 2001, government computer operators watched as reams of electronic documents flowed from Defense Department computers, among others.
In 1994, two young hackers known as "Kuji" and "Datastream Cowboy" were arrested in England on charges they broke into the U.S. Air Force's Rome Laboratory. They planted eavesdropping software that allowed them to monitor e-mails and other sensitive information.
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Argument over who has the "better" special forces is friggin stupid to begin with. Any one of any of'em will kick your sorry computer oggling butts in a New York minute anyway. They are all good at what they do... none are any better than the rest.
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right on Tumor
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LOL! Thought I might have got a mention in here! :) Sorry for the delay - was enjoying myself in Pizzaland. :D
No axe to grind either way, really. Britain has close links with Europe these days, so the comparison ought to be living in England v living in the US, as this would take account of our daily lives and what is available to us in the form of foreign visits. Eg. I have been to Holland once (WB con), Italy once, France twice, and Spain four times - all in 2002.
When I go to the US, the things I welcome are things like the choice of places to eat out, and nice hotels at sensible prices - except New York, of course. I think if I was living in the US again, I would miss having Europe on my doorstep.
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Corvette and Viper would eat any limey sportscar for breakfast. The last thing limeys should be bragging about is their automotive industry.
As for "real engineering" - F1 guys are just guys who couldn't hack it in aerospace. Real technology is things like space flight and fighter planes. Last I saw the limeys were hitching rides on our space ships and buying our fighters.
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1. knowing I can have a car accident and not lose my house family etc in bills or wonder who's going to pay for the ambulance.
That's not a problem. I don't know anybody here who has that problem.
2. A walk in the country 5 mins from home without worrying about getting a gun stuck in my face by the land owner.
I have only seen a land owner with a gun once, and the only reason he had a gun is because my friends and I were armed and poaching on his land.
3. Not having armed guards patroling the schools
That's a bit scary, but it wasn't my experience in school.
4. REAL engineering talent - most F1 and sportscar racing stuff originates here - Ferrari - Ross Brawn - oh yes a Brit.
I answered that above.
5. Better special forces - probably - funny how 4 Commando had to go to Afghanistan to do the tricky bits.
Yeah the US forces just sat back and watched. :rolleyes:
6. Real houses built on concrete foundations with bricks blocks and mortar - not matchwood.
I don't think I've ever seen a house in the states that didn't have a concrete foundation. As for blocks and mortar, we don't have any buildings like that where I live, because structures of that type fall apart easily during earthquakes. Our wooden houses are much more resistant to REAL forces. Of course if your engineering talent wasn't off designing gokarts or whatever you might know that.
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a while back somone posted pics of the princess of sweden i thought .....
spent dmn near an hour looking for that post to no avail ...
but SHE is what europe has and we dont :D
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Britain. Population 60 million. No natural resources at all. Relatively small oil/natural gas fields with high cost of extraction. Has had to defend itself against it's neighbours for its entire history. Has had to expand to maintain level of development and to preserve its sovereignty.
Ya don't forget history, brits had the world wrapped around their finger not to long ago. You also had rule over this country but like every other one you invaded y'all got the boot.
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Originally posted by Swoop
[BTronski, Welsh is British.[/B]
Yup I know mate, but the original topic was about England (not GB) and you must remember how completely specific this BBS has you be , lest someone comes along and corrects you :D
Hey....at least I didn't post a pic of Becks instead...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by funkedup
Corvette and Viper would eat any limey sportscar for breakfast. The last thing limeys should be bragging about is their automotive industry.
As for "real engineering" - F1 guys are just guys who couldn't hack it in aerospace. Real technology is things like space flight and fighter planes. Last I saw the limeys were hitching rides on our space ships and buying our fighters.
Bahahhahahaa!!! ...wait you werent kidding right?
Check out a little thing called a McLaren F1 road, Astin Martin Vanquish, TVR Tuscan (not that I care, I wouldn't stop to look at any of them on my way to buy a 575M Maranello - well maybe the F1) etc etc
As for F1 race teams ...hardly even worth nibbling the bait I would think...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by JB73
a while back somone posted pics of the princess of sweden i thought .....
spent dmn near an hour looking for that post to no avail ...
but SHE is what europe has and we dont :D
http://www.hello-magazine.com/royalty/sweden/tree.html#
eskimo
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Oh, ya! She's a honey! Victoria or Madeleine, both are quite photogenic.
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OK I'll give you the McLaren F1. But it has a German engine.
And it's out of production and it cost $1M new.
The other two are just Viper food.
If you want to excite me, let's talk about an Elise Sport 190. :)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
The Star Spangled Banner is about the fall of old Fort Detroit.
And all this time, I thought it was Fort McHenry...
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A mach 2 airliner .
And history more than 70 years old.
:p
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Originally posted by funkedup
Corvette and
Last I saw the limeys were hitching rides on our space ships and buying our fighters.
Speaking not as a limey, which fighter would that be?
The AV8B? Neat design that, VTOL, pegasus engine design etc. As used by the USMC. Oh wait, Invented and designed in Britain.
In fact (not being an expert in any sense, so I prepare to be corrected) I can't think of a single US fighter in service with RAF, apart from the AH64, which of course can't fire its missiles without spraying its tail rotor with debris.
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Last one we bought was the Phantom, but that was phased out in the early nineties/late eighties in favour of the Tornado.
I think we plan to buy the JSF, but that's a joint project between the US and the UK?
As for cars. I'd rather take a TVR Tuscan or Vanquish around Silverstone than a Corvette or Viper any day of the week.
And Laz - that 40% figure wasn't dreamt up by me. It was the findings of independent Japanese academic work. I know you would rather not believe it, because it flies in the face of the views you hold dear, but it's a fact. Get over it.
As for Britain and her Empire. My point about the size of Britain compared to the US is this: Britain (as was) went from a small, weak Protestant nation with a small navy to the dominant global force that was the Empire. All this came from an island with a fifth the population of the US, with no natural resources of her own and surrounded by Catholic enemies that would destroy her. Elizabeth I turned all that around and set the foundation stones for the UK.
The US on the other hand had boundless resources, little foreign interference for most of her history and a huge expanse of lebensraum for her large population to grow.
Elizabethan Britain lead the world in terms of freedom of speach, tolerance of ethnicity in a climate of sectarian barbarism on the continent.
The Empire died on the battlefields of WW1, when millions of British and Commonwealth men, the youth of the Empire, died. Who was going to administer and protect the Empire afterwards? WW2 was the final nail in the coffin, when Britain was virtually bankrupted by 3 years of unsupported conflict with Nazi Germany. I say unsupported - every ounce of help received from the US was paid, in full, in cash or in exchange for the shares British companies had in American business. I'm grateful that help was delivered, but it came at a cost.
As a modern Briton, I'm not really bothered either way about the demise of Empire. It was responsible for some terrible things, and also many great things. It's kind of irrelevant now, and only its legacies remain. But I find learning about the achievements of the UK very interesting. The scientific and cultural breakthroughs, the revolutions in thinking. What shines through is the British character - stoicism, tenacity and ingenuity.
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Brits have better beer.
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If those TVR's are so fast they should enter some international races like Le Mans for instance. Vipers and Corvettes have dominated the production based classes there for about 5 years now. They are actually competitive with some of the works prototype LMP cars.
I don't see any TVR's or Astons doing that. Those are more secretaries' cars or "sports cars" for the limpwristed who are looking for an upgrade from a Miata. :)
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Originally posted by bounder
Speaking not as a limey, which fighter would that be?
JSF (http://www.raf.mod.uk/airpower/jsf.html)
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Originally posted by devious
Brits have better beer.
...........stop, bitte;)
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JSF? nope. Uk hasn't bought it yet:)
In fact, I don't know that it is in servce anywhere. I will be happy to be corrected on that of course
oh and Monk...it's not bitte, its bitter :D
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Originally posted by Swoop
ok, look....it all boils down to this:
USA and GB are allies, ever since that little spat we had (btw, the line "bombs bursting in air" was inspired by the Royal Navy shelling some fortress somewhere, so ya do have something to thank us for) we've always been and always will be allies. Now ask yourself this, if you really had to choose an allie.....who would you rather be fighting next to?
Exactly, now stfu ;).
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/640697.jpg)
Hell yea... put a GD brit just off the piss w/me anyday in a foxhole. I served along side the British Coldstream Guards for a couple of months. Awesome soldiers, great people... I'd goto war w/them anyday.
We might squabble abit now and then but what family doesnt eh?But guess what..when the chips are down the Brits are ALWAYS w/us and vice versa. They are our most staunch friend. Other nations give us all sorts of lip service but you cant REALLY depend on them... the Brits you can.
Those GD limies.
xBAT
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Oh come on funked. Racing cars only pay lip service to their street-legal equivalents. I'm talking about cars either of us could go out and buy.
Aston Martin Vanquish is limpwristed? lol what's limpwristed about a supercharged V12? lol! :D
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Some interesting posts, but it's getting silly - Unsubscribing.
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Britain has the most page 3 girls :)
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Britain has the most page 3 girls :)
Did someone say Page3 Girls?
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Page3 girls.
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Britain was virtually bankrupted by 3 years of unsupported conflict with Nazi Germany. I say unsupported - every ounce of help received from the US was paid, in full, in cash or in exchange for the shares British companies had in American business. I'm grateful that help was delivered, but it came at a cost.
Britain only paid for US equipment through Nov. 1940, when Britain could no longer.
After that, America's "Lend-Lease", an act Churhill described to Parliment as " The most unsordid act in the history of any nation"
took affect.
Churchill's words: "There was no provision for repayment. There was not even a formal account kept in dollars or sterling"
America essenially gave Britain equipment with the idea that it would be returned after the war.
So I'd say we did quite a lot to help Britain survive until we enetered the war.
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dowding... I never said that the 40% figure was wrong... It just seems very difficult to quantify. I wouldn't mind seeing the study... the japs have been wrong about the U.S. plenty of times... no... every time.. in modern history. besides... what good is 40% if you can't even get into space?
As for the U.S. being 5 times larger in population... it was not when england ruled most of the world but... we are not talking about the england that ruled the world... we are talking about the england that is in a slow steady decline..
beetle keeps coming on here with his U.S vs england threads.. he claims that the english way is superior every time be it tv or food or whatever.. point is... england was a huge empire that became a pissant. It continues to shrink and become less relevant. The U.S. is stronger every year if anything. So why should we imitate any of the things like bad tv... a disdain for for personal choice and freedom... and certainly not dental or even medical care.
you claim that we don't need the right to own firearms yet your history (the one you are so proud of) has taught you nothing... you have disarmed people all over the world so that you could tyranize them. You are fighting an armed population in ireland and having problems right now. Imagine if they were all behind the same cause and all armed? they would simply boot you out and have their own government. Isn't Scotland about to get shed of your oppression? That would probly cut your "inventions" down to 10% or so.
oh... and you can't get more bang for the buck than a corvette or viper. These are cars that are within the grasp of every average income American if he really wants one.... You guys got a faster truck than the Ford lightning? Another thing.... It is possible to allmost double the horsepower of a viper or a corvette in without a factory team.... you can do it in your garage with hand tools and with mail order parts.
I do wish some of your unem... "on the dole" folks would get get into and apprenticship program on the "english wheel" and start hand forming a bunch more 1954 Healey 100 bodies. You can keep the rest of the car. Heck... AC is still pounding out that antique.
lazs
funked said in response to the terror squirrle attack in england that was only stopped by a grandfather with an illeagal air rifle... "Wow if they had a rabid racoon I bet they'd have to call in NATO to bring over a .22 or something."
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Two words.
PINK FLOYD
Karaya2
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Laz,
1) How many more shreckin times do I have to tell ya that Beetle's views do not represent my views......or, I suspect, many other Brits views.
2) We're NOT fighting an armed population in Ireland. We're fighting the IRA which is a little different.
"Imagine if they were all behind the same cause and all armed? they would simply boot you out and have their own government."
Well they aint all behind the same cause. And they aint all armed. AND they've ALREADY GOT THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT. Eire has been self ruling for years now, it's only Northern Ireland that is still under British rule.
Finally, READ ABOUT IT and you may realise that the majority of Northern Irish DONT WANT US TO LEAVE cos they know what'd happen to em if we did. Look for some of the news stories of what happend not so long ago........kids as young as 6 being stoned cos they go to a different church and having to be escorted to school by the British Army to stop it happening again. Hmmmmm.....you think those kids want the soldiers to leave em to it?
Now I'm not coming back into this thread cos it's getting silly and insulting and I refuse to let my impression of Americans be sullied by the actions of a few.
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swoop... I do understand that and agree with everything you are saying. My point was not about the politics but about firearms being effective in the hands of citizens.. The IRA are not an "army" any more than the vietcong were and "army" . I maintain that if the entire population of Ireland were armed and wanted you out... it would not be worthwhile for you to stay there... In retrospect... I should have used vietnam or afgahnastan for an example.
point is... those who think and armed populace is no deterent to tyranny are not paying atention. Those who think Americans are too fat and lazy to resist tyranny are not paying attention to history. When the human animal changes then maybe I will change my mind.
lazs
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A few of my thoughts on the topic:
1. As much as I like to promote American products, I think the Corvette is over-engineered, over-priced, over-styled, too heavy, and butt-ugly. I want simplicity, agility, and tasteful styling in a sports car...if I ever get one.
2. Swoop...after the debacle at Dunkirk where the British Army lost most of its arms and heavy equipment, Churchill's government had to scour the country to find weapons to rearm it's military units. A request was sent to private citizens in the U.S. (this was before Lend-Lease) to donate their private weapons to the British so that they could arm the Home Guard with something besides broomsticks.
3. If an armed civil populace is no deterrent to tyranny, then why do all tyrants insist on disarming them? Hitler did...Stalin did.
4. British medieval history is fascinating. Viking invasions, Alfred the Great, Battle of Stamford Bridge, Battle of Hastings. Later periods are full of imperialist expansion and the subjugation of the populations of African territories and the Indian subcontinent, whose populations they disarmed by the way.
5. The British have cool summer weather. That means a lot to a south-Arkansan.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Page3 girls.
There! I knew I heard someone say "Page3 Girls".
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two more words: Jimi Hendrix
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I maintain that if the entire population of Ireland were armed and wanted you out... it would not be worthwhile for you to stay there...
If the entire population wanted to leave Britain, they could vote to do so. Guns wouldn't be necessary.
On the other hand, the entire Kurdish population wanted to leave Iraq and Turkey, and their guns haven't done them much good. (Or the Chechens, Palestinians, etc etc)
Guns aren't necessary to have your say in a democracy, and won't help you much against a truly tyranical government. Not when they have tanks, helicopters, aircraft, etc.
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Originally posted by Wlfgng
two more words: Jimi Hendrix
Did somebody say Jimi Hendrix?
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I'm PROUD to be an American...:D
Shuckins
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if it weren't for the US, the language in UK would now be German(WW2)
it it weren't for the UK, the language in the US would now be...German again (I heard the Constitution almost was written in German)
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Thrawn..
If you want to talk about accents....I once talked to a guy from NewFoundland. Didn't understand a damn word he said and he sounded like he was the dumbest person on Earth.
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gofaster.. you should be shot :)
Shuckins, thank you
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nashwan... are you sure? armed populations are a deterent to tyranny and they are a deterent to invasion. The vietcong were only about half the countryu and had relatively primitive weapons but they resisted invasion quite well. The U.S. did not want to invade even a shattered japan because we expected to encounter stiff resistance by armed citizens.. Japan feared attacking the west coast for the same reasons. Successful or not... armed populations resist stronger invaders all the time. I would like to retain the ability. england does not have a sterling record for disarming a populace and then treating them well. I don't believe that I would be willing to trust them, or any other, government not to revert.
lazs
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Originally posted by 28sweep
Thrawn..
If you want to talk about accents....I once talked to a guy from NewFoundland. Didn't understand a damn word he said and he sounded like he was the dumbest person on Earth.
Well, it's like lazs said. He finds some English accents to be effeminate, and like the southern drawl. I find Tennessian and Mississippi accents to be ignorant sounding and difficult to follow, while the Newfie accent sounds lyrical to me.
It's one of those potato patahto things.
But it looks like most of this thread is about subjective things.
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southern accents tend to range from pleasant and soothing to "i'm one dumb mo fo".... My accent is californian for the most part... Right or not....A ca accent has one advantage.... anyone who speaks english understands every word you say... the reverse is rarely true. canadians have california accents with some scott around the ou and the annoying habit of making every sentance into a question eh? Still... they are understandable. My brother is canadian and has totally gone over to canadian accent.
lazs
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Lasz,
That may be true about the ca accent...but proper English is so sterile. Ya'll don't have words like:
larrapin
sho'nuff?
puddinentain
dem dere
Whaddat?
S'mo
landagoshen
deepeople
upbrangin
Just to name a few.
Shuckins
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Shuckins
Translate please!
lol I think I understand two.
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The Empire died on the battlefields of WW1, when millions of British and Commonwealth men, the youth of the Empire, died. Who was going to administer and protect the Empire afterwards? WW2 was the final nail in the coffin, when Britain was virtually bankrupted by 3 years of unsupported conflict with Nazi Germany. I say unsupported - every ounce of help received from the US was paid, in full, in cash or in exchange for the shares British companies had in American business. I'm grateful that help was delivered, but it came at a cost.
yes indeed it is very expensive especially when one waits until there is no other choice but to wage war.
'This is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace in our time'
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didnt we get the band Tpau from europe?
:D
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England has a more diverse range of accents than you Yanks are led to believe from films etc. There it is only Queen's English or cockney - not very representative. You think there isn't dialect in England? Come visit me sometime, and I'll take into a pub in Barnsley (Yorkshire) - I swear, you'll be lucky to understand 1 word in 10. :D
Laz - yet again you're showing your ignorance regarding Northern Ireland. But swoop already pointed this out so ably. You're just making a fool of yourself, to anyone who even knows a smidgeon about UK internal politics. Your opinions seem to be based on nothing more than a viewing of 'Braveheart'.
What's that about the Japanese? They are incapable of doing academic work? It was a proper study, not some half-arsed idiot babbling on about a subject he knows very little. There's some irony there somewhere.
Like I said before, WW1 + WW2 killed the Empire. Like I also said before, the Empire means nothing to me. I was born long after it's death.
Britain isn't in decline, we still have the fourth largest economy in the world. And by the way, we have less unemployment than the US.
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GtoRa2,
larrapin - May be French in origin. My mother's people were French Huguenots who moved into Arkansas from Louisiana. They've used this word for as long as I can remember. It is something that is said immediately after tasting something that's REALLY good: "Man, that's larrapin!"
sho'nuff? - You say this after someone has made a statement that is unbelievable or somewhat humorous. "Sho'nuff, are ya'll serious?"
puddinentain - A sign of affection...usually said by a mother to a small child. I believe it was part of a childhood poem...but I just don't remember.
dem dere - "Hand me dem dere pliars."
Whaddat? - What's that?
deepeople - A contraction or corruption of "These people" most often heard among our darker brethren; "Deepeople need to sit down on this bus."
S'mo - Gimme s'mo chicken.
landogoshen - Another word that is used to respond to an unbelievable statement made by another person: "Well landogoshen! You don't mean it?!"
upbrangin - He wouldn't ack datway ifluff'n he hadda proper upbrangin.
Shuckins - Something my Grandfather said when he was being teased, or heard something unexpected or humorous; "Well shuckins!"
Regards, Shuckins
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dowding... the empire was dying in a half a dozen places before WWI gave em an excuse to fold up like a cheap card table under a fat lady.. No thanks on imitating either the greatness that was england or the current decline.
Irish? Braveheart? Seems that it is your own Scotts who are more influenced by the film braveheart than I wver was.
so... being able to understand one word in ten is a good thing?
didn't say the japanesse were incapable of academic work but they are not known for it and they are not known for being unbiased... they are known for underestimating other races/countries. The fact remains that such a study would be very difficult to do and come up with anything but a wild estimation. I don't see any colaborating evidence. Where is the site for the study or how do I get it?
4th largest economy? behind who in 3rd? Can you point me to that info too please?
lazs
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didn't say the japanesse were incapable of academic work but they are not known for it and they are not known for being unbiased... they are known for underestimating other races/countries.
Surely you are joking? Are you an academic? Last I heard you were a gun toting, SWAT member wannabe. I fail to see how you can qualify anything you have written with either experience or knowledge. I've studied with Japanese academics and their research was very thorough - kindly explain where your experience lies? Surely if the Japanese underestimate nations/races (I haven't a clue how this is even vaguely relevant), how have they managed to overestimate in their study?
Here's the report:
http://britannia.com/panorama/ideas.html
so... being able to understand one word in ten is a good thing?
I suppose if you were an ignorant, arrogant Yank who expects everything to be 'as it is back home' and is dissappointed if his deeply held illusions are dispelled, then you would find it a bad thing. Fortunately, not every American has that outlook and it's a shame they aren't more vocal.
I understand the dialect, having grown up there - but I can talk with a perfectly understood accent if needs be.
4th largest economy? behind who in 3rd? Can you point me to that info too please?
For a start here's some information on the GDP of the Capital cities of Europe (research compiled by Barclays bank):
1 London 158.7
2 Paris 88.6
3 Milan 74.2
4 Madrid 65.6
5 Rome 58.1
6 Berlin 49.4
7 Hamburg 45.6
8 Munich 45.4
9 Barcelona 43.2
10 Stockholm 36.9
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/business/1978788.stm
"According to the U.S. Department of Commerce's FY2002 U.K. report, the U.K. is the world's fourth largest economy and sports relatively low rates of taxation and inflation. U.K. consumers tend to be very receptive to U.S. goods and services. The U.K. remains the United States' largest European market and fourth largest market worldwide after Canada, Mexico, and Japan. And once marketers have a foothold in the U.K., it becomes a gateway to the rest of the EU."
http://www.usatrade.gov/Website/CCG.nsf/CCGurl/CCG-UK2002-CH-1:-0059F623
"The United Kingdom (UK) is the world's fourth largest economy, and is a trading nation with a generally open market and a "level playing field". The UK is a member of the European Union (EU), but has not committed to signing up for the Euro. It attracts U.S. exporters and investors as a place in which to do business, because of the common language, a similar legal framework and business practices, and relatively low rates of taxation and inflation. Once here, it is easy for American firms to use the UK as a gateway to the rest of the EU. There are very few sectors in which foreign ownership is limited, and no restriction on the repatriation of capital and profit. Within the EU, the British Government supports the rights of any company registered in the UK, irrespective of the nationality of its ultimate parent."
Anything else?
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Originally posted by lazs2
dowding... the empire was dying in a half a dozen places before WWI gave em an excuse to fold up like a cheap card table under a fat lady.. No thanks on imitating either the greatness that was england or the current decline.
lazs
The US has its own colonial empire including, but not limited to Hawaii, PR and the US Virgin Islands.
Also the US had a form of semi-colonialism going on during the Cold War. They got lots of bases (which if you asked the Marine guards at the gate were Property of the USofA) from which they helped protect the interests of all of us...but the US in particular.
Later...when they were done, and budget restraints forced the military to cut back...they left. And my, my, my, what a frigging mess they left...and I don't mean a political mess...I mean a real mess.
We currently estimate that the little bitty base they left here will cost over $50 million to clean up. Will America pay...hell no. The pollution is so bad that it now threatens our water table.
Thanks America.:(
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There can be few who have the ability to best the British at the game of imperialism. Just ask the citizens of Egypt, South Africa, India, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, Transjordan, Somalia, China, Burma and Indonesia.
"The sun never sets on the British Empire."
Shuckins
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Originally posted by Curval
We currently estimate that the little bitty base they left here will cost over $50 million to clean up. Will America pay...hell no. The pollution is so bad that it now threatens our water table.
Thanks America.:(
Where would "here" be? Vieques?
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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
There can be few who have the ability to best the British at the game of imperialism. Just ask the citizens of Egypt, South Africa, India, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, Transjordan, Somalia, China, Burma and Indonesia.
"The sun never sets on the British Empire."
Shuckins
That much is true..no doubt. The thing is that they were the colonial rulers in the Colonial Age...a time when a nation was not really considered a nation until it had colonies to protect. Things change.
Those countries that you mention sure have done well since the Brits left though...I must say! But, I'm sure it is all the fault of the British right?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by gofaster
Where would "here" be? Vieques?
No..not Vieques. Bermuda.
Sorry, but I had to take out my country from my profile. Too many Americans were using it as a reason for me NOT to have an opinion because it is a small insignificant island.
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LOL! Curval's from Bermuda.... but he can be found in any thread bashing the U.S.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
LOL! Curval's from Bermuda.... but he can be found in any thread bashing the U.S.
AKDejaVu
Isn't this an England bashing thread? I'm merely defending...not bashing.
Besides, I don't bash America per se...I bash Americans who think that the world revolves around them.
...and Gofaster...see what I mean?
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Besides, I don't bash America per se...I bash Americans who think that the world revolves around them.
So do I! :D
Shuckins
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Wow curval... you're really a piece of work.
Isn't this an England bashing thread? I'm merely defending...not bashing.
Its strange... I did not see any mention of England in your post. I did see several instances where the U.S. was mentioned... never in a defensive tone.Besides, I don't bash America per se...I bash Americans who think that the world revolves around them.
You start out bashing America, then procede to label anyone that defends as people who think the world revolve around them.
Eventually we'll learn... the world really revolves around you.
AKDejaVu
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Deja...if you notice I have only just jumped into this thread...on page 3. The British guys who have posted on this page before me, and on pages one or two were doing a fine job of defending England...so I stayed out.
I was commenting on the colonial/imperialist label being pasted on England and was just pointing out the hypocrisy. Living on a colony of Britain surely I have a right to do that, no?:rolleyes:
and Deja...possibly the best defense..is a good offense.:p
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dowding... hummm... in the unamed japanesse study that claimed 40% (reported in a british paper btw) of all inventions "originated" in GB.... they go on to say that 11,400 patents were applied for in 1996.... that seems like less than a fifth of the patents awarded to U.S. holders alone. Perhaps you meant only certain types of inventions?
I don't care what the BBC thinks about cities in europe and their economies and so didn't ask...
The BBC paper that claimed GB as the 4th largest ecomomy by GNP.... did not name the other three ranks. All I asked was who was number 3.
I still don't see how being more british like would not simply be a step down from where we are right now.
lazs
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Besides, I don't bash America per se...I bash Americans who think that the world revolves around them.
Reading this board, I dont find this to be a prevailing American disposition.
I just wonder what it is inside some of you people that makes you feel you need to come on a board that you know is majority American, and start spouting off about how bad Americans are, how are guns laws suck, our cars suck, our lives suck, we such, our beer sucks.......etc.
What is the point? What drives it?
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every honest person here knows what drives it... it's like reading a friggin ayn rand novel in here.
lazs
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Everyone loved REM when they first came out with Radio Free Europe, but hated them after they started actually getting radio play that went beyond the college stations.
Leonardo Dicaprio went from cool with the Basketball Diaries to total dork with Titanic.
The US is a pretty good country... And lately it's reaching out and really starting to touch stuff in a big way. For you Yanks... yer on top, so yer gonna get people tryin' to tear a strip or two off ya. Just the nature of things.
Don't be such freakin' whiners about it. :)
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Your own government says Britain has the fourth largest economy. Ask them who the other three are. Only guessing, but I think the US, Japan and China would be the top 3.
Who was asking you to be more British? I believe you started this thread in your usual antagonistic style based on a shaky foundation of mis-information and plain old ignorance. Your views on Northern Ireland and Scotland alone make this thread good for a laugh.
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Guess who the absolute number one trading partner with the US is.... outta alla those countries makin' Italian cars and Japanese robots...
It's Canada.
Canada does 2 BILLION dollars in trade with the US...
... a day.
Tomorrow when we wake up we'll have done another 2 billion in trade.
Screw China.
Canada and the US is by far the largest trading partnership in the entire world, sharing the largest undefended border.
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Whats your name?
Puddintane, Ask me again and I'll tell you the same.
Originally posted by H. Godwineson
puddinentain - A sign of affection...usually said by a mother to a small child. I believe it was part of a childhood poem...but I just don't remember.
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Thanks Kanth,
Haven't heard that little refrain since I was a child! :)
Regards, Shuckins
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dowding... I believe that I started this thread to end the all but endless "britsh xxx vs American xxx, which is better?" beetle threads... I just wanted to get em all out on the table. I wanted to see if there really was anything worth emulating. So far... I can see nothing.
I also wanted to see how being more british like and a "subject" was better for us. to give up our constitution is a big deal... there should be some big and obvious rewards. If throwing out the 2nd amendment has no more effect than setting us on the slippery british slope with no quantifiyable benifiets... why bother? no... why intrude on personal freedom if it is lose lose?
lazs
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Oh.. and what study of the U.S. was that on GNP? I would be interested in seeing the GNP of the top 10 nations.
I had heard that California by itself was like the fifth largest economy in the world but who knows?
lazs
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Nash is right. Being no.1, or at least being perceived as no.1, means that everyone else is taking pot shots at ya'.
I revel in it myself :)
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The Economist gives the following GDP figures:
US $10 trn
Japan $4.2 trn
Germany $1.8 trn
UK $1.4 trn
France $1.3 trn
China $1.2 trn
Italy $1.1 trn
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SHUTIT!! enough already!
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three more fiat sales next year and italy will kick your ass.
lazs
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Originally posted by NUKE
Reading this board, I dont find this to be a prevailing American disposition.
I just wonder what it is inside some of you people that makes you feel you need to come on a board that you know is majority American, and start spouting off about how bad Americans are, how are guns laws suck, our cars suck, our lives suck, we such, our beer sucks.......etc.
What is the point? What drives it?
It is the very nature of a BB to be argumentative and combatative. Particularly in an off-topic board. What do you want, a bunch of "yes" men/women who come over here to praise everything American?
Hell...I've found myself using lazs' arguments on certain topics when playing the devils advocate in discussions outside these boards!:D Honestly....even on the topic of gun control.
That's what drives it for me at least, being as you used my quote. I'm sure you will find it the same for many others. The best way to destroy pre-conceived notions about any given topic is to have a good argument with people who know alot about it, or think they do. Everyone gets a little better educated..it is a win-win situation.
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Thanks to Bush's "No Child Left Behind Act", the US military can now demand access to your children's confidential school files.
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not yours thrawn... you live in canada and bush doesn't care about canada.... yet. besides... if you (we) send your kids to public school (in the U.S.) or... you can't figure out that you need to vote for vouchers... you deserve whatever happens to your kids in "school".
curval... give it up... just embrace my views now and save a lot of needless recanting later.
lazs
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Originally posted by NUKE
Reading this board, I dont find this to be a prevailing American disposition.
I just wonder what it is inside some of you people that makes you feel you need to come on a board that you know is majority American, and start spouting off about how bad Americans are, how are guns laws suck, our cars suck, our lives suck, we such, our beer sucks.......etc.
What is the point? What drives it?
I dont' know what drives it, but those things you mentioned that people say "suck" about America are just not true! ...Umm, well, okay.... your beer ... it does SUCK! :D
Wheeee!
(http://home.thezone.net/~qfl/Pictures/pic1.jpg)
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Ya know....I saw an interview with a writer(Salmon Rushdi...spelling?)
He said that what he felt was the United States most dangerous threat was not terrorism but rather anti-americanism.
After reading the opinions of those of you outside of our borders, I wouldn't be suprised one bit.
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I was talking to Sikboy the other day, and he was absolutely correct. This is the silliest thread on the board.
Is there another country (Canada doesn't count) as much LIKE the US as GB? WTF? GB is our best friend in the world, and aren't we happy to have them!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I was talking to Sikboy the other day, and he was absolutely correct. This is the silliest thread on the board.
Is there another country (Canada doesn't count) as much LIKE the US as GB? WTF? GB is our best friend in the world, and aren't we happy to have them!
Finally something I can agree with you on.
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ROFLMAO !!! lazs... hehe awesome :)
(the fiat sales comment)
damnit MT.. go and blow a good 'discussion' !
(you would have to go and be right)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I was talking to Sikboy the other day, and he was absolutely correct. This is the silliest thread on the board.
Silliest? Perhaps not so bad when you compare it to "our tv is better than yours" or "our bank is better than yours".
Seems this thread was started to show that brits will jump into a stupid thread to defend their country much like the Americans will. It looks like a large portion of the AH Brits have responded accordingly.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... give it up... just embrace my views now and save a lot of needless recanting later.
lazs
I missed this one somehow.
I do not embrace your views...I use them to play the "devils advocate" in arguments outside the BBS and possibly pick up a tip or two. Then I pass them off here as my own. :p
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Seems this thread was started to show that brits will jump into a stupid thread to defend their country much like the Americans will. It looks like a large portion of the AH Brits have responded accordingly.
Don't give any credence to laz's attention seeking. Next you'll be claiming this thread is a psychological experiment.
Also thanks for telling us what this thread is meant to be. Where would we be without your insightful wisdom!? You're a credit to the BBS, you really are.
- Dowding
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I'm saying its about as much of a psychological experiment as beetle's posts are.
AKDejaVu
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James Bond or XXX
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Fish and Chips!!!
Rolled in the newspaper! You could then read it while eating!
With a splash of Vinegar!!
Damn! I miss those Fish & Chips!!
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I would rather live in the US than the UK, we have everything we need here, at good prices too.
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Fair point AKDejaVu. Beetle just likes to trawl a little, but I wouldn't say he was like Laz - he's usually polite. Although at least Laz knows the meaning of brevity. ;)
BTW, they are not allowed to sell chips in newspaper anymore. Newsprint has high quantities of cadmium and other heavy metals in it. I remember it being used as a kid though, maybe 15 years ago.
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As far as comedy goes, if the latest medical comedies are anything to go by, the US isn't doing badly for itself.
Scrubs (US) = One of the funniest programmes on TV.
TLC (UK) = Absolute toejame.
There are still good UK comedies around (such as Black Books) as well as longer-running ones but many of them seem to try and copy US types of humour - and fail completely. British-made TV's declining anyway, which is a shame since it used to be innovative, if low budget, in areas like science fiction.
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Long time no see Duma. :)
I disagree with you regarding British comedy. 'I'm Alan Partridge' abd 'The Office' are absolutely brilliant. I also think they could only be developed this side of the pond. The lack of canned laughter or 'live studio audience' is not the only difference. I personally hate Friends - it's a mewling, sarcastic and repetitative annoyance. Frasier is ok and Seinfeld was good, but I'd prefer watching Alan Partridge, The Office or Black Books than any of the American comedies.
Although I enjoyed Scrubs. TLC isn't bad and has had its moments.
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Seinfeld was excellent, Friends is absolute toejame
Tronsky
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ok ok... you guys aren't really that much of a pissant country and heck... we like ya... effeminate accents, bad teeth and all. I also think you guys are cute when ya get all huffy. Your women are fun to talk to. come to think of it.... maybe you guys really shouldn't have guns...
lazs