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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: cajun on November 11, 2002, 10:23:09 PM
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I was just wonderin what planes everyone would like to see added for CT/Special events..
Mine are...
Gloster Gladiator
Cr42
Swordfish
Mc200
Italian bomber
I-153
Ki43/44
B25
Stuka.
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See my signature.
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OK, seriously:
A6M3
B-25B
B-29A
Beaufighter Mk 21
Bf109G-14
B6N2
Cant Z.1007
F6F-3
Fw190A-1
G4M2
H8K2
He111H-3
He177A-5
I-16-18
I-16-24
Il-10
J2M3
Ju87D-1
Ju87G-1
Ju88G-7b
Ju188A-2
Ki.43-Ic
Ki.43-IIb
Ki.43-IIIb
Ki.44-IIb
Ki.61-Ia
Ki.61-IIb
Ki.84-Ia
Ki.100
Ki.102b
LaGG-3
La-5
Me410B-2
MiG-3
Mosquito NF.Mk II
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII
Mosquito NF.Mk XXX
P-38G
P-39D
Pe-2FT
Pe-2B
Pe-2D
Spitfire LF.Mk IX
TBD Devastator
Tupolev SB-2
Wellington B.Mk IX
Yak-1
Yak-7
Yak-9D
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Just all the ones we do not have in AH yet.( the funny thing is I am serious:) )
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Comments on Karnaks list:
A6M3 (not really nessesary)
B-25B (excellent idea, but after Cant and Wellington)
B-29A (gawd not an uber bomber!)
Beaufighter Mk 21 (extremely good idea)
Bf109G-14 (prefer K4 if its gonna be late)
B6N2 (grunt yawn)
Cant Z.1007 (definitely required)
F6F-3 (not really nessesary)
Fw190A-1 (very few made, better to get 190A3 or A4)
G4M2 (a torch, but would be nice)
H8K2 (grunt snuffle)
He111H-3 (after below)
He177A-5 (we'll never stop them whining till they get this one)
I-16-18 (not this one)
I-16-24 (yeah! this one :) )
Il-10 (post war, don't want post war)
J2M3 (grunt snuffle)
Ju87D-1 (better D3)
Ju87G-1 (YASS... :) )
Ju88G-7b (YASS... 400+MPH)
Ju188A-2 (Nah, not enough of them)
Ki.43-Ic (not this one)
Ki.43-IIb (yup this one)
Ki.43-IIIb (would be nice but see above)
Ki.44-IIb (yep, need this)
Ki.61-Ia (not really nessesary)
Ki.61-IIb (not really nessesary)
Ki.84-Ia (Why the heck ain't this already here?????)
Ki.100 (hmmm... maybe)
Ki.102b (not enough of em to be worthwhile)
LaGG-3 (lousy plane, better get the Yak 1)
La-5 (hmmm... already two of this breed... nope)
Me410B-2 (yes, see note regarding Luftwhiners being quiet)
MiG-3 (not a favourite, better Yak 1)
Mosquito NF.Mk II (YASS along with Ju88G;7 above)
Mosquito B.Mk IV (see below)
Mosquito B.Mk XVI (yep, this one)
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII (not really nessesary)
Mosquito NF.Mk XXX (not really nessesary)
P-38G (you think? not the F?)
P-39D (pig... better N model)
Pe-2FT (one of these)
Pe-2B (one of these)
Pe-2D (one of these)
Spitfire LF.Mk IX (long overdue, could sub Spit VIII instead)
TBD Devastator (yeah... I guess... although Midway's over)
Tupolev SB-2 (piece of crap not worth it)
Wellington B.Mk IX (better Mk II, need early war Brit)
Yak-1 (yes this is the one)
Yak-7 (mediocre plane, not worth it)
Yak-9D (Russians don't need long range escort, nope)
My additions :)
Yak-3 (Gotta have this baby, it's gonna piss off LW something fierce)
Nate (need the most common IJA fighter in '42)
CR42 (gotta have one versus the Glad)
Gladiator (the uber biplane... "Pat" Pattles colour scheme please)
MC200 (need early war Italian Monoplane, it fought in Greece, N Africa, Russia etc)
Meteor III (Yes we need British jet)
109G6 with DB605AM (late '43, early '44 109)
109K4 (last one for 109's)
Brewster Buffalo (Finnish model please)
Seafire IIIa LF (let's have the uber Seafire please)
Spitfire VIII (purpose designed for Merlin 66)
I-153 (YASS!!! :) )
And many more which populate my wetdreams....
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Originally posted by cajun
I was just wonderin what planes everyone would like to see added for CT/Special events..
Mine are...
Gloster Gladiator
Cr42
Swordfish
Mc200
Italian bomber
I-153
Ki43/44
B25
Stuka.
Those are good choices and not too many to be seen as insane.
I would drop the swordfish in favor of a Cr 32, I-16, or Henschel 123.
The Heinkel He111 really needs to be in as well for early scenarios and the Ki-84 (or 43 like you) would be my first next PacOps choice.
Need Wellington, Pe-2, and I wouldn't cry if the Lagg-3 and Mig-3 made it up one day.
As for Itai Bombers, do the SM79 first or we'll never get it.
I'd love to see a Beaufighter fly, and I'm still crossing fingers for 3-5 floatplanes/flying boats.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Karnak
OK, seriously:
A6M3 . . .
Some great planes in there, I think the B-29 and He-177 are out of whack. The Germans made better use of the Do-217 and the damn things actually flew, ditto for the Ki-100, too many problems and too few flew.
I'd love to see a B-25, but after we get the Wellington, Pe-2 and He-111. Even after the early war Jap Buff (Nell, Sally, Helen, Betty) because we have enough US twin jobs.
I'd also opt for any new plane as opposed to a derivative.
I'd really love to see the Buffalo fly.
Sakai
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I dont agree with the grunt snuffling at all. If they flew tons of em, then put em in. Crap like the k4 or spit mk MCXV are nice for the guys that like to drive camaros and wet themselves when a cobra drives by, but the planes that won or lost the war are way more interesting. Planes like the ki43, and the p39 and p40. Planes that fought from start to finish not last minute uber models that had little or no relevance to the war. Remember which forum this list is in and the title of the thread.
After we get planes like the 44, 43, 27, beaufighter, buffalo, and b25 which played a huge role in the pacific then go get the hopped up late war "just wish there was somebody left to shoot" models.....
Now I am partial to the pacific theater but same goes for the russian, italian, and english/french planes. Russia had a ton of crappy aircraft early in the war that we need, same with the italians. Christ we dont even have a he111 or a stuka and you want a k4? or ki84? Planes that had next to nothing to do with ww2? What relevance would they have for a sea or CT? There are enough guys pushing for MA uber planes already.
erg <==stepping down from soap box
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Originally posted by ergRTC
Crap like the k4 or spit mk MCXV are nice for the guys that like to drive camaros and wet themselves when a cobra drives by, but the planes that won or lost the war are way more interesting. Planes like the ki43, and the p39 and p40. Planes that fought from start to finish not last minute uber models that had little or no relevance to the war. Remember which forum this list is in and the title of the thread.
What he said with some weenie wagging and nonsensical finger waving at K4 flierwanttobeboyz.
Basically, all those super planes are for poo-poo heads.
Sakai
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Oh yeah, I forgot the I-16 and he111, they would both be very usefull!
Btw, the reason I put the Swordfish in is because it would provide a good early war mediterranian bomber-torpedo plane.. I think it could carry 1300+ LBS of bombs or torpedo and 8 rockets of some sort!
And maybe we could have a "sink the bismark" scenario :D
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Originally posted by cajun
Oh yeah, I forgot the I-16 and he111, they would both be very usefull!
Btw, the reason I put the Swordfish in is because it would provide a good early war mediterranian bomber-torpedo plane.. I think it could carry 1300+ LBS of bombs or torpedo and 8 rockets of some sort!
And maybe we could have a "sink the bismark" scenario :D
I think maybe if they model one Biplane they might have a good reference point for a few more? Same with Trimotor designs? I would hate to see just one modeled at a time, like to see them drop both the Gloster Glad and the Cr42 on us in one fell swoop.
Yeah, I would like the Sword as well, but realistically we have to ask for planes that will be flown in the MA. If it was just us CT dweebs, then I'd put the Sword on my list right off. As for early war bombers in Med, you might ask for the Bristol Bombay, the SM81 Pipistrello, or the Lysander as well.
Geez, we are plane loonies aren't we? They will never model enough to make us happy.
Sakai
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I-16
Ju-87
P-39/P-400
He-111
Buffalo
G4M
Any Ruskie bomber.
Looks like they're all good candidates for the "Battle of the Turds"
eskimo
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Originally posted by Sakai
I think maybe if they model one Biplane they might have a good reference point for a few more? Same with Trimotor designs? I would hate to see just one modeled at a time, like to see them drop both the Gloster Glad and the Cr42 on us in one fell swoop.
Yeah, I would like the Sword as well, but realistically we have to ask for planes that will be flown in the MA. If it was just us CT dweebs, then I'd put the Sword on my list right off. As for early war bombers in Med, you might ask for the Bristol Bombay, the SM81 Pipistrello, or the Lysander as well.
Geez, we are plane loonies aren't we? They will never model enough to make us happy.
Sakai
Yeah, I rather see Gladiator and Cr.42 both in same patch, and im sure if they add them thats how they are gonna add them.
I would think once you have the model and coding done for one biplane it would be easier to add another, could prolly just take the code for mono planes and just copy/paste another set of wing collision and stuff in there :)
but somethings would have to be totally remodeled, like the fusalage. All that'd have to be changed in the code is a few variables I'd think..
Not all planes are meant to be flown in MA.. I mean they are adding b5n kate.. im sure thats meant for scenarios/ct :)
Swordfish isnt on top of my list, could prolly be substituted with kate untill/if we get one.
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Ju52
Ju87
Do-17
Do217
He-111
Fw200 Condor
Mustang MkIII (Malcom hood)
PZL P11
Handley-Page Hampden
Handley-Page Halifax
Vickers Wellington
B-25
Blenheim
Beaufighter
Dwoitine D520
Lockheed Hudson
B-24
Brewster F2A
Fairy Swordfish
A26 Invader
Henshel 123
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden
Ki43
Ki84
Do335
P61
..and the B29
:D
Cheers,
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PAC setups and Eastern Front setups are largely limited. While the Eastern Front offers people some very interesting situations, currently, with the plane set we have, it is even more limited than PAC setups.
Soviet Russia was the largest participant of the WWII, fighting some spectacular and grim, heroic battles at the sea, on land, and in the air.
Thus, my preference goes to more VVS fighter planes!!! :)
*EF 1941 setup:
Bf109E-4, Bf109F-4
I-16(need these), LaGG-3(need these), Yak-7(need these), Yak-1(maybe not necessary), Mig-3(maybe not necessary)
* EF 1942 setup:
1941 + Bf109G-2
1941 + Yak-1B(definately need these), P-39(need these)
* EF 1943 setup:
1942 + Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5
1942 + La5FN, Yak-9T, Yak-9(definately need these)
* EF 1944~1945 setup:
1943 + Fw190A-8, Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9, Bf109G-10, Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14(need one of these two), Bf109K-4(not really necessary)
1943 + La-7, Yak-9U, Yak-3(need these)
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Since you asked...
Ki.43, Ki.44, Ki.45, Ki.84, Ki.100, J2M3, A6M3-22
D4Y, B6N
Ki.21, G4M
H8K flying boat, A6M2-N Rufe and N1K1 Kyofu floatplanes
P-38F, G, or H, P-39D, P-39Q, A-36, P-51A
Brewster B-239 (Finnish) and F2A-3 (USMC)
TBD Devastator
B-25
B-24
B-29 (no atomic bomb, ever)
I-16, Lagg-3, Mig-1, Yak-3, Pe-2
Ju-87D, Ju-87G
Ju-52
He-111
Sm-79, CR.42
Gloster Gladiator
Wellington
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I am entirely with Erg and Oed on this one. Lets see some workhorses. Better yet, lets use them! How about some French Potez bombers? He-111 is ABSOLUTELY required.
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We nead to think objectively hear gents, and try and avoid redundant types for countries, planes like the He 111 and b 25 are clearly not neaded and would imo be a serious waste of time, denying us planes of simmilar types for countries curently not having them, Russia and Italy have no bombers and Germany and the US are doing ok In this area, Germany has the best early war bomber it coulkd hope for in the JU 88, it does not nead an He 111, the only bomber worth adding for Germany would be The he 177 and even that is not a big issue, what is a pressing Issue is that Russia get a leval bomber and that Italy get one as well:
Priorites:
Russia:
Early to mid war fighter I-16
Leval Bomber Tu-4
Italy:
Early war fighter C.200
Leval bomber Z 1007
Japan:
Fighter's Oscar,A6M3,Ki-84, Ki 102 or 45
Mid to late war strike platform, Jill,Juddy,Grace, Francis
Any one or two of the above planes would be great for Japan.
Those are the prioriites imo, all other plane types are nice or would be nice to have but are in the end only fill, the above plane types would allow us much more flexability in representing Hisorical setup's and provide a wider base for us to do so.
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Here is were we differ. Just cause it sucks doesnt mean we dont need it. The glad sucked, the brewster sucked but I want to fly em. Just like the he111 sucked but that doesnt mean I dont want to shoot one down.
Adding planes cause they were great, to me, is booooorrrrrriiiinnnnggg.
Now italian an russian bombers I believe should be priority, as that will make this game original, but you got to admit, b25s were 'the' bomber in the pacific. He111s were germany's mainstay in the early war, and where the hell is the stuka?
Using those mach 10 ju88s for the bob is kinda lame too (yeah I know, blatant whine sorry). Yes they were around but most of germanies bombers were stukas and he111s (at first).
I am sure all of these are coming *(not the b25) so I am not squeaking too loudly. I just hate getting stuff cause its fast, and has huge guns.
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ergRTC, I know what your saying, and to a certain extant I feal the same way, I just try and limit myself to not ask for somthing we do not nead right now, ya a he 111 would be cool a stuka would be too, but is it realy neaded or neaded at the expense of not geting a buff for Russia, it is true about the B 25, but what about an earler varient of the B 26 instead be easer for HTC to do and free up valuable time for other planes that are neaded, It kinda boils down to this If you want this you cant you have that, or at least not right away, We are seeing what like 8 to 10 new planes a year for HTC( not varients truly new planes) and bombers suck up the production time, I heard a 4 engine bomber takes as long to build a 4 fighters!, I always wanted an He 162, I doubt I will see it personaly, we all have our cross to bear:)
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all i gotta say is we have a rocket powered german intercepter.
explain that one.
wow factor? yeah just a little.
I thought stuka for the con woulda been better...
I think this game (if they can get the mission arena finished) is moving towards a more sea experience, and for that you need the real thing. You need guys intercepting kates, not tbms. You need guys intercepting early bettys not ki-67s. These 'replacement' planes are not gonna cut it for the new aces high, so I dont think I will have long to wait!~ ;)
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Well, I hate to bust your bouble, but at 8 to 10 planes a year you might, unless your lucky and get the ones you want right away:)
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OK, let me now defend my choices:
A6M3: This was the IJN fighter that opposed the US in the context of most early Pacific CT setups. It performs significantly better than does the A6M2, but significantly worse than does the A6M5.
B-25B: This would give an early war level bomber to the Allies that could actually be caught by the early war Axis fighters. The Boston Mk III is simply too fast. The B-25B would be most useful in Pacific setups.
B-29A: OK, this isn't really needed. It was a major part of the end-game war in the Pacific though.
Beaufighter Mk 21: This adds an earlier ground attack aircraft for the RAF, one that saw service everywhere.
Bf109G-14: This closes a big gap in the Bf109 series as represented in AH, the performance gap between the 1943 Bf109G-6 and the late 1944 performance of the Bf109G-10. The Bf109G-14 (or Bf109G-6/AS) was the main 109 that opposed the US during the big bomber operations of early-late 1944.
B6N2: Gives the Japanese an attack aircraft with a prayer of doing its job. It is a good foil for the TBM-3.
Cant Z.1007: Best Italian bomber used in significant numbers. Gives greater variety to Med. Theatre setups. An S.M.79-II would also be OK, though it isn't as good.
F6F-3: Gives the USN a 1943 version of the F6F which I understand to be lower performing than the July, 1944 F6F-5 we have. At the very least it shouldn't carry the massive bombload of the F6F-5. If I'm mistaken, discont it from the list.
Fw190A-1: Gives a 1941 Fw190A so that the period in which the 190 was first introduced can be run with only Spitfire Vs to oppose it. Looking at the Fw190A-4 it seems to me to be so similar to the Fw190A-5 that the Fw190A-5 can be subbed in for it painlessly. We need an early Fw190.
G4M2: This would give the Japanese an early war bomber that the early war Allied fighters could actually catch and kill. The Ki.67 is way too fast and well gunned for the early Allied fighters to deal with.
H8K2: This would give the Japanese a bomber with a actually useful war load. This isn't needed for historical purposes, but rather for balance purposes.
He111H-3: The He111 was the most common bomber of the Luftwaffe. We need a version at some point, but it isn't really needed as the Ju88A-4 can stand in for it. Lower priority, but I still want the He111.
He177A-5: This would give the German a bomber with a actually useful defensive armament and a chance of getting the job done. This isn't needed for historical purposes, but rather for balance purposes. The He177A-5, Do217 or Ju188A-2 all fill this role. I'd prefer the Ju188A-2, but the bonafide Luftwaffe fans seem to prefer the He177A-5.
I-16-18: This would give us a machine gun only I-16, which many of those used by Russia at the start were. It isn't really needed, but might be easy for HTC to do at the same time as the I-16-24.
I-16-24: The I-16 is an important Russian fighter for the early war period. The I-16-24 was the best version and would add greatly to the depth of the Russian planeset which is now dominated by the late war fighters.
Il-10: This would give the Russians a late war ground attack aircraft. It saw some use against the Germans at the end of the war, and substantial use against the Japanese in 1945.
J2M3: The J2M3 would add a good mid-war fighter to the Japanese arsenal, something they lack now.
Ju87D-1: The Ju87 is a classic aircraft of WWII. The D-1 version was used extensively in Russia and can sub for the BoB B-1 model painlessly.
Ju87G-1: The anti-tank version of the Ju87. Not truly needed, but much requested.
Ju88G-7b: The best fighter version of the Ju88. It would give the Germans a heavy fighter and get some more use out of the Ju88 polygons already present.
Ju188A-2: See He177A-5 text. I prefer this to the He177A-5.
Ki.43-Ic: Gives the Japanese army an early war fighter, but armed with two 12.7mm machine guns rather than the two 7.7mm guns. With the two 12.7mm guns it could actually be used.
Ki.43-IIb: Like with all war long fighters multiple versions of the Ki.43 are needed to represent its improving performance. This is a mid-war Ki.43.
Ki.43-IIIb: Like with all war long fighters multiple versions of the Ki.43 are needed to represent its improving performance. This is a late-war Ki.43.
Ki.44-IIb: This gives the Japanese army a usable mid-war interceptor.
Ki.61-Ia: This is an early version of the Ki.61. It is needed so that the 1944 Ki.61-I-KAIc doesn't get subbed into early war setups.
Ki.61-IIb: This is the improved Ki.61 and would be useful for late-war setups.
Ki.84-Ia: This is the best Japanese fighter of the war, and unlike the N1K2-J it was produced in huge numbers. It would be a huge balancing factor for Pac. Theatre setups set in 1944 or later.
Ki.100: A end war fighter, but supposedly a good one that can use much of the Ki.61's polygons.
Ki.102b: Gives the Japanese a ground attack aircraft, though only at the end. The Ki.45 might work for the early war.
LaGG-3: An early war Russian fighter using much of the La-5FN's polygons. Fills out the early war Russian set.
La-5: Not really needed, but would get rid of the need to sub in the significantly better La-5FN for some setups.
Me410B-2: OK, not needed as the Bf110G-2 does this job, but the Me410 is a neat aircraft.
MiG-3: An early war Russian fighter that is unusually fast and lightly armed. Fills out the early Russian planeset.
Mosquito NF.Mk II: The first Combatant Mossie. Allows the Mosquito to be used in earlier setups, though without the bombs. Reuses the Mossie polygons.
Mosquito B.Mk IV: The 1942 Mossie bomber. Reuses the Mossie polygons.
Mosquito B.Mk XVI: The best Mossie bomber, useful for late war setups. Reuses much of the Mossie polygons.
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII: OK, not needed, but who doesn't want to fire a 57mm cannon? Essentially a Mossie 6 with a different gun package and internal payload. Reuses the Mossie polygons.
Mosquito NF.Mk XXX: Adds a late war Mossie fighter with the performance it should have against the likes of the Ju88G-7b. Reuses much of the Mossie polygons.
P-38G: We need an early P-38. I can never keep which is which straight. I don't care if it is an F, G or H so long as it has early war performance.
P-39D: The P-39 was a widely used fighter. The P-39Q would be good as well.
Pe-2FT: This is an early war version of the Pe-2. We need more than one Pe-2 because a late war Pe-2 would rule the early war setups the way the Ki.67 does and an early war Pe-2 would be a joke in late war setups the way the Ju88A-4 is. I used to favor the Tu-2 over the Pe-2, but after doing more research I changed my mind. the Pe-2 can be used to cover the entire war while using the same polygons whereas the Tu-2 is only late war.
Pe-2B: This is a mid-war Pe-2.
Pe-2D: This is a late-war Pe-2. It lacks the bomb load of the Tu-2, but is faster.
Spitfire LF.Mk IX: This closes a big gap in the Spitfire representation in AH. Currently we must use a 1942 Spitfire Mk IX for all setups from 1942 to the end, when in fact the Merlin 61 Spitfire was a rare player. The Spitfire Mk VIII could be used instead of the LF.Mk IX.
TBD Devastator: Ok, this is spite. If the Japanese must be saddled with the B5N in the early war, then the USN should be saddled with this turd. It is both spite and balancing.
Tupolev SB-2: This would serve as an early war crappy Russian bomber, and by doing so fill out the early Russian set.
Wellington B.Mk IX: Or any other early version. This would be useful as an early war Allied bomber that the Axis fighters could catch, yet has a usable war load. The Boston Mk III is simply too fast. This would be used in European Theatre setups.
Yak-1: This would help fill out the mid-war Russian planeset. This would use the Yak polygons.
Yak-7: This would help fill out the mid-war Russian planeset. This would use the Yak polygons.
Yak-9D: OK, I mis read on this one. It isn't needed.
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OK karnak as always your listes are well thought out and dleavered, now pick 10....:) from it that are beast suited to our present neads, hard to do I know. Bear in mind dual usage n MA as an arguing point in the CT's favor, the more usefull in the MA the better.
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Ouch. Ok, lets see.
B-25B
G4M2 "Betty"
H8K2 "Emily"
I-16-24
Ju188A-2
Ki.43-IIb
Ki.61-Ia
Ki.84-Ia
LaGG-3
Pe-2B
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Originally posted by brady
OK karnak as always your listes are well thought out and dleavered, now pick 10....:) from it that are beast suited to our present neads, hard to do I know. Bear in mind dual usage n MA as an arguing point in the CT's favor, the more usefull in the MA the better.
LOL,
Asking Karnak to pick only 10 is like asking Hugh Heffner to get married and be faithful!
OK Karnak, pick 10, and put them in order!
eskimo
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OK, in order of most wanted to least wanted, heavily cut back list of 10:
Ki.84-Ia
H8K2 "Emily"
Pe-2B
I-16-24
B-25B
G4M2 "Betty"
Ju188A-2
Ki.43-IIb
Ki.61-Ia
LaGG-3
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WOW. I knew you could do it m8t:)
Ki.84-Ia : Great choice
H8K2 "Emily" : Great Choice
Pe-2B :Good, I would Prefer the TU-2 for MA utility
I-16-24 : Great Choice
B-25B : Naw,imo a Z.1007 would be better, or a B26 varient
G4M2 "Betty" : tough call we have the Peggy granted it is fast for most all ealrly war set up's, would be nice to have the betty but maybe not right now, how about a Juddy or a Ki 102 instead.
Ju188A-2 : I do love this plane but is it realy neaded? What operational nitch is it to fill, if were going down this raod a He 177 is a better choice, a TU-2 instead hear and the pe-2 above or a Z 1007 for ether.
Ki.43-IIb : Oscar is important
Ki.61-Ia: what if we do an Oscar and a C.200 or a ki.61-1a and an Oscar.
LaGG-3: Nice but, it was a serious pos, good fill for early war though.
I see you were objective to the extream Karnak leaving out your favorate planes, for the greater good.
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Thanks for the compliment.
I think the RAF is probably the most well rounded of all the planesets right now, even more so than the USAAF and USN. New RAF aircraft, while certainly desired by me, are at the bottom of my needed lists.
That said, I certainly like the Ki.84, H8K2 and Ju188A-2.
The reason I put the B-25B in there is because we need an Allied bomber for the early war that the Axis fighters can actually do something about. The Boston Mk III is uninterceptable.
The G4M2 does the same in regards to the early Allied fighters trying to cope with the very fast, well gunned Ki.67.
The Ju188A-2 fills the balance hole for the German's as far as bombers go in any time after 1941. The He177 may be better, but if so only marginally and I like the Ju188A-2 quite a lot. Plus it would take less work for HTC to do than an He177.
I prefer the Pe-2 because it served throught the war. It was, in its diferent versions, always competitive. Because multiple versions can be done with minor graphical adjustments I think it is the better choice over the Tu-2.
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Well, those a good reasion's, in light of those I would say imo, that The best of both worlds for the Russians might be both the Pe-2 and the TU-2,while the TU-2 would rock hard in the MA, and thusly be the only reasion it would/or could whin out over the Pe-2.
Personaly one of my favorate all time German planes is the JU 188, but if I had to hope for another late war German Buff it would be the He 177. I would rather see the Cant Z. 1007 howeaver than either of these, It would go a long way toward adding depth to mid and early war East front and Med/N Africa set up's.
While the Betty and the B 25B would be interceptable, or at least more so than the Peggy/Boston, one neads to ask just how much impact do these planes have curently, and does it warent a compleatly new buff to remidy the marginal impact they do have on the game( CT set up wise), personaly I would shelve both in favor of more fighters or CV strike plaens, at least at present.
But ya most all those would do wounders for the CT and SEA, and add some fun stuff for the MA.
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brady I still dont agree with your pos markings. This is the ct, you are staff, if you have any pull you should be telling htc to do this: for ever rocket ship you give the MA give a turd to the rest of us. If they truly did just take the planes that had a production run of greater than 2000 and got all of them built (included), this whining would not be necessary. They have kinda stuck to this, but in some cases they have not. I think it is time they went back to it. 13,000 p40s built and they finally get to them in 3 years after the game was developed (after the 152, 262)? If they are serious about this mission arena (which I am sure they are) then they will need to start filling out the roster with all planes. Particularly those that match parts of ww2 that would be interesting to simulate (1939-late 1943) after that as mentioned before, the war was pretty much won in the air.
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"brady I still dont agree with your pos markings", The only pos I refered to is the Lagg 3.
I doubt very much that I have anymore pull than any of you all hear when it comes to modeling planes, in fact mybe less after a few of my tempertantriums, In gerneral I feal threads like this are good for the comunity because it can serve as a learning tool, point out new planes, one maybe we had not thought of, also it helps to show us all just how hard it is for Pyro to decide what planes to add, look at how Karnak choped that list to 10, imagine pyro doing that but instead of 10 he picks 3, also he does have the luxery of catering just to US the miniourity comunity in AH, he must cater to the MA and us.
Look at the Boston for example, a superlative choice for a bomber, great early war use, was used in the Battle for France, and the later varients prety much till the end of the war, good usefull bombload fast well armed, both models withen their respective timeframes. Their he killed two birds with one stone. I imagine that is a primary concern the MA is their bread a butter.
Production numbers historicaly apear to have no bearing on wheather or not HTC adds a plane, nore imo should they, it is a double edged swoard, their are numiours planes that would of been excluded on both sides of the fence, and realy countries like Japan and a much small industrial base and their production numbers were dwarfed by US standards the figure of 1,400 some odd Georges, or 3,500 Franks may not seam like much compared to 39,000 IL-2's( I think it was 39k,or was it 35k?) but they were importnat plane's for Japan, and fantastic ones at that, the C hog only some 200 were built and it is included why?, well heck it's a blast to fly and represents one of the most potentent US planes of the war, The Ta 152 was added because Pyro asked what perk prop plane we wanted and we voted ,it wone. The Me 163 will be a blast to fly, true not many were used but it has captured all of our imaginations and is as famious (almost) as the 262 is. Why do you think their are so many US planes in the plane set, because the player base is largly US and they are catering to a preceaved demand for those planes, Russian planes are not as popular, in the US we wone WW2, while the truth is that Russia realy had hittler by the balls and all we realy did was secure western Europe so it would not become comunist, that is obviously an oversimplifacation, but goes to point out that while planes for Italy Russia and Japan are wanted and imo neaded they are not popular, how many people apon intering this game do you think expect that Italian plane to be such a joy to fly, Figure that a Japanese fighter would be one of the most dreaded planes in the MA, and that a Russian fighter owns all the US planes below 10k? Despite all the squeaking and moaning I do, have done, and will do about the plane choices they have made or will make it is in part to bolster suport for plane adations from the forgoten 3, Russia, Japan, Italy( France....imagine a D520:) ), it is also always done with the realazation that the making of those choices was not always easy and driven by forces outside my scope of concern.
These planes the odd ducks are fun, and very MA I am not bumed we are geting the Me 163 I cant wait to fly it:)
HTC is adding new planes all the time and they will continue to add early war planes, hopefully they will see these posts of ours and relise we are very interested in broading the plane set, and see what planes for what theaters we want, big brother is watching m8t.
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P-38F Lightning. It was the USAAFs best fighter interceptor from 1942-44 in the Med, Europe and the Pacific. Right now all it has is the P-40 for early war, and then a jump to P-47D-11 later on.
Add the Ki-84 first though, to counter all the late war Allied stuff.
After that, the Ju-87 Stuka. Its too major an a/c not to have. It fought in all fronts the LW fought in from 1939-45.
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Lotta talk about the I-16 but no 1's sayin ne thing bout I153! :D
Anyway If we have one we got to have the other.
The I-153 was actuelly designed After the I-16, it could even out run some of the earlier versions of the I-16, had a surprisingly good acceleration rate, even though it was a biplane. It Carried 2 bombs of I think 200-300 lbs 8xrockets and 4x7.7mm machine guns. Allso the I-153 was actuelly produced at a higher rate than the I-16 during ww2 and Mongolia replaced their I-16s with the much more manuverable I-153 (and the I-16 was pretty manuverable lol!)
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??? Seriously?
A6M3
A-26 Intruder? (not the one we have now)
B-25B
B-29A
Beaufighter Mk 21
Bf109G-14
F6F-3
Fw190A-1
G4M2
H8K2
He111H-3
He177A-5
Ju87D-1
Ju87G-1
Ju88G-7b
Ki.43-Ic
Ki.43-IIb
Ki.43-IIIb
Ki.44-IIb
Ki.61-Ia
Ki.61-IIb
Ki.84-Ia
Ki.100
Ki.102b
LaGG-3
La-5
MiG-3
Mosquito NF.Mk II
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII
Mosquito NF.Mk XXX
P-38G
P-39D
PBY-Catalina
And that should just about make it into 2020... :D
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IMO here is what we need, in oder of priortiy:
JAPAN: (First Call!)(Japanese are realy hurting for some decent a/c)
KI-84 FRANK
B6N2 GRACE
KI-44 TOJO
G4M2 BETTY
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GERMANY: (Second)
ME-109T (That can operate from the CV :D)
ME-109G-14
JU-87D STUKA (w/th conversion to G anti-tank model)
JU-88G-7 Gun Nose Package (should be an easy conversion)
HE-177A-5
(Increased ORD package for the 190F & other 190's)
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ITALY: (Third)
Cantz Z.1007 (Ities need a bomber bad)
(Italy already has some of the best fighters with the 202-205 package.)
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RUSSIA: (Forth)
TU-2 (or PE-2, needs some kind of med bomber/attack a/c.)
(Russia has some of the best fighters there are already plus a good light attack plane with the IL-2)
I-16 (ok, for early war)
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MISC: (Fifth)
F2A BUFFALO (for the Fins, only if there is a version for the USMC)
D.520 (for the French, early war and Africa scenarios)
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US: (Sixth)
P-39D (Maybe)(Could be used by the Russians also)
TBD (Maybe)
B-25B (maybe)(Could be used early war, by British and by Russians)
(US side is very well rounded already, doesn't need any new toys till the above get theirs.)
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ENGLAND: (Seventh)
(Has one of the best sets on the board. Good fighter set with Hurri/Spit/Phoon/Tiffy. Good fighter/bombers early/late with Hurri II & Phoon. Good light/med bombers with Boston/Mossie set and a heavy with the Lanc.)(Plus all the Lend-Lease gear from the US plane-set.)
Only thing that I can see would be to make the straight bomber version of the Mossie. Later on maybe add the Beaufighter and the Wellington for a Med Bomber after the above has theirs.
IMO we have enough versions of the Spit at the moment.
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Those are all great ideas. I tell you some planes I'd like to see in the CT. The P-47, TA-152, FW-190D, P-51D, AR 234, and all the other planes we already have and never get to fly in CT.:(
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In terms of lacking crucial planes, Japan and Soviet Russia is definately in the top. No way we can consider Germany and Italy as any sort of priority(There can be different opinions about Italy though, since their significance in the war is in question).
In the point of view concerning the CT, USSR planes are actually in more dire need than Japanese. Japanese planes are lacking very crucial planes, and they also have been missing their best fighter of the war, but at least the plane choices are enough to try putting up different settings of different time lines.
In the case of the VVS, the whole first half of the Eastern Front setup is totally impossible. VVS is also missing a fighter with the most production numbers(Yak-9), and their plane set is totally empty from 1939 to 1943.
People really love playing in a balanced arena where early war planes meet, and I can bet with confidence that if introduced, the Yak-7, Yak-1B, LaGG-3, and I-16 is going to put up some terrific fights against 109s from E-4 to G-2.
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I am with Lowe. I would like to see some of the a/c we already have like the P-47, P-51, FW-190D, ME-109G, B-17, B-26 in a ETO set-up. Remember them? Hadn't seen a Jugg in so long probially have forgotten how to fly it. Don't think I EVER saw a 190D in a CT scenario!
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Secretly though I am still wishing for the Vought F-8E CRUSADER.
:D