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Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 12, 2002, 12:34:30 PM
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Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: AKDejaVu on November 12, 2002, 12:39:06 PM
0 points for originality.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 12, 2002, 12:39:38 PM
You guys are about 6 months behind on the funnies, aren't you? ;)

Incidently, the Generals all get a laugh on these visits, they purposely hand the Binoc's with covers on to see if they can catch the new presidents...they've been doing it since 1955 apparently..so far they've got 3 presidents (according to my Ft. Lewis buddy), though I'm not sure who the third was...probably Reagan or Carter.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Animal on November 12, 2002, 01:03:48 PM
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!

HAHAHA WOOO HAHA
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: easymo on November 12, 2002, 01:05:49 PM
I am amused at the ignorance of the posters.  Those are night vision glasses. If you take the covers off you would be blinded.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Wilfrid on November 12, 2002, 01:11:25 PM
Why are they using 'em in daylight then Easymo?
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: easymo on November 12, 2002, 01:13:23 PM
Hint.  Do you notice how grainy the photo is?
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: whgates3 on November 12, 2002, 02:04:50 PM
low illumination equimpment output is monochrome and the display brightness is adjustable, so as not to ruin the user's night vision
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: AKDejaVu on November 12, 2002, 02:11:09 PM
The photo is real.  The binoculars are not night vision binoculars.  Maybe a rangefinder built in... but not night vision.

This is a pic taken the instant someone puts the binoculars up to their eyes just prior to discovering the lens caps are still on.  I know this has never happened to anyone posting in this thread, just like nobody has ever accedently forgot to remove the lense cap from a camera.

...or is it that nobody here had a photographer following them around just waiting for it to happen.

The photo is old.  There's one just like it of Clinton.  There's probably one just like it of quite a few people.. including the Queen.

Then... there's what people would like the picture to mean.

AKDejaVu
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 02:13:51 PM
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Then... there's what people would like the picture to mean.

AKDejaVu



 Let's just say a big prayer that they keep thinking it about him too ;)  


Dems "how'd he kick our bellybutton again?"  "I thought you said he was stupid"


:rolleyes:
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 12, 2002, 02:40:33 PM
He *is* stupid. :)

But yeah... The point of this pic seems to suggest that Bush was looking through these things for an extended period of time and duh... was oblivious to the fact that he couldn't see anything. That would be a stretch... Even for Bush. :D
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 12, 2002, 02:42:07 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
He *is* stupid. :)

 


He's smarter than you, guess that makes your moron quality? :D (j/k except that he *is* smarter than you...)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 12, 2002, 02:48:57 PM
Yeah ok, except that didn't even make any sense... but I'll take your word for it. :)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: midnight Target on November 12, 2002, 03:00:57 PM
This thread cracks me up. I am searching for the one posted a while back with Clinton doing the same thing, and compare the responses.... I bet the results will be ironic.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Sandman on November 12, 2002, 03:07:09 PM
Nothing new... http://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.htm
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: midnight Target on November 12, 2002, 03:13:43 PM
can't figure out how to link the dam thing!

Its Title is "Rhodes Scholar"

Here is from Eagler - "Clinton has the lenses cap on his binocs, didn't take them off as he feared to look stupid during the photo op ... he succeeded didn't he "

How about AKDejavu - "At some point, anyone that's used binoculars tried with the lens cap on. Its just that most decided it would be more prudent to remove the lens cap than to sit there pretending they were off.

Its classic Clinton... more concerned with how he looked doing something than what he was actually doing.

AKDejaVu"
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 12, 2002, 03:15:40 PM
Heh, and Deja is not even a conservative! Shows you how pathetic he was as a Pres.  You should feel guilty for voting for him Midnight.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: midnight Target on November 12, 2002, 03:16:51 PM
Once again you have let the point go wafting well over your head Rip.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Pongo on November 12, 2002, 03:17:21 PM
If we had a picture of Nelson, Napoleon or Rommel forgeting to remove the lens caps I guess that would reasure everyone that the leaders of the free world sometimes forget to take off the lens caps on binos and it doensnt make them idiots.

Says alot about how anal the military is about using lens caps though...

There are special lens caps for image intensiflying sights and binos that just allow a pin salamander of light in so that they can be used during the day without getting total white out as they multiply the available light 40000 times or something like that. I dont think either of those sets are II though.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: AKDejaVu on November 12, 2002, 03:18:17 PM
The statement on that article said that Clinton was posing for the cameras and chose not to remove the caps.

Its a classic Clinton photo-op that went slightly ary.  I still picture Clinton saying "But I looked Marvvvvvelous".  He was the best media player ever to sit in the office.  The press misses him.

AKDejaVu
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Post by: Sabre on November 12, 2002, 04:03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
He *is* stupid. :)



George W. Bush's educational credentials:

Undergraduate Education -
Yale University, bachelor's degree, history

Graduate Degree -
Harvard University, Master of Business Administration

I guess I don't understand how people draw such a conclusion about our President's intelligence, as he earned these two degrees at two of the most academically prestegious universities in the USA, maintaining a respectable GPA while doing it.  Then he went on and actually worked in the private sector, creating jobs and making money (what was Al Gore's profession before entering politics again?).  Disagree with Bush's policies if you must, that's all fine and dandy, but stupid?  Based on what?  Seems to me he's doing pretty darn good for such a dunce, eh?

I got a kick (during the 2000 elections) out of listening to liberals say, willingly parroted by the mainstream media, how smart Al Gore was and how mentally deficient George W. was.  Actually go look at the college and after-college records of these two men and then tell me who's smarter, who's more capable, and who's accomplished more in their lives thus far.  Most of those who make such statements as Nash (nothing personal, Nash), have fallen victim to the mantra-speak of the Democratic party machine.  Go research it, then make up your own mind for a change.
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Post by: MrLars on November 12, 2002, 04:20:09 PM
Tell ya what...give me an unlimited amount of funds...or just a few mill that I can use at my descreation, and a name that is politicaly as powerfull as 'Bush' and I'll show you a degree from ANY Ivy League facility in 4 or less years whether I have the ability or intelligence to graduate or not.

'sides, having a diploma from a prestigeous institution is no guarentee of intelligence.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: whgates3 on November 12, 2002, 04:26:17 PM
...anyway everyone knows the only quality academic schools in ivy league are Columbia & UPenn
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Post by: Erlkonig on November 12, 2002, 04:35:18 PM
Bush is not stupid, he is willfully ignorant.  There's a huge difference between the two - the former is almost sympathetic while the latter is simply pathetic.  Thanks to the mainstream conservative media and incredible image manipulation on the part of his handlers, Bush has become depicted as the straight shootin' cowboy out of Texas.  We ought to hold him to higher standards.
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Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 04:37:38 PM
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Originally posted by Erlkonig
Bush is not stupid, he is willfully ignorant.  There's a huge difference between the two - the former is almost sympathetic while the latter is simply pathetic.  Thanks to the mainstream conservative media and incredible image manipulation on the part of his handlers, Bush has become depicted as the straight shootin' cowboy out of Texas.  We ought to hold him to higher standards.




 LOL that's funny.  I'd be willing to bet that he holds himself up to a higher standard.

 you bush haters crack me up, at least we had good reason to hate clinton.....
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Sabre on November 12, 2002, 04:40:05 PM
Perhaps, MrLars, but it's certainly an indicator of potential, if not out-right ability.  By the same token, isn't it closed minded to assume that simply because he has a famous dad and his family is well-to-do that his degree was a give-me, and not earned?  That would be every bit as wrong as saying that any minority in a position of responsiblity only got there because of racial quotas.  Am I to undertand then that you also believe Mr. Gore's academic credential's to be equally worthless, as he also comes from a family of power and privalige?  Do we further assume that anyone with such a degree who was likewise blessed (or cursed) by a pedigree must be undeserving of that sheep-skin?  

Again, look at the whole man.  George W. actually worked in the private sector, putting those degrees to work, and with some measurable success.  Again I ask, what evidence (aside from the fact that he's of "the other political party), do so many democrats and liberals base their strident assertions that our President is a dim-wit?  I just don't understand, that's all.  I may not agree with every decision he makes, but I have a great deal of respect for him and his accomplishments.  I also believe he's a pretty bright guy...not omnicient mind you, but reasonably sharp over all.  And he was a F102 pilot:D.  Oh yeah...they only let idiots fly fighter jets;).
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 04:43:05 PM
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Originally posted by Sabre
Perhaps, MrLars, but it's certainly an indicator of potential, if not out-right ability.  By the same token, isn't it closed minded to assume that simply because he has a famous dad and his family is well-to-do that his degree was a give-me, and not earned?  That would be every bit as wrong as saying that any minority in a position of responsiblity only got there because of racial quotas.  Am I to undertand then that you also believe Mr. Gore's academic credential's to be equally worthless, as he also comes from a family of power and privalige?  Do we further assume that anyone with such a degree who was likewise blessed (or cursed) by a pedigree must be undeserving of that sheep-skin?  

Again, look at the whole man.  George W. actually worked in the private sector, putting those degrees to work, and with some measurable success.  Again I ask, what evidence (aside from the fact that he's of "the other political party), do so many democrats and liberals base their strident assertions that our President is a dim-wit?  I just don't understand, that's all.  I may not agree with every decision he makes, but I have a great deal of respect for him and his accomplishments.  I also believe he's a pretty bright guy...not omnicient mind you, but reasonably sharp over all.  And he was a F102 pilot:D.  Oh yeah...they only let idiots fly fighter jets;).



 Well notice they didn't get into the real world private sector accomplishments.   Of course you can't expect somebody to fight to lose though can you? ;)
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Post by: Krusher on November 12, 2002, 04:46:23 PM
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Originally posted by MrLars
Tell ya what...give me an unlimited amount of funds...or just a few mill that I can use at my descreation, and a name that is politicaly as powerfull as 'Bush' and I'll show you a degree from ANY Ivy League facility in 4 or less years whether I have the ability or intelligence to graduate or not.

'sides, having a diploma from a prestigeous institution is no guarentee of intelligence.


Lanny Davis went to school with Bush and has said many times that Bush is not what the Democrats want him to be... stupid.. but then, Lanny Davis was a Clinton hack wtf does he know :)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Sandman on November 12, 2002, 05:01:17 PM
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Originally posted by Sabre
And he was a F102 pilot:D.  Oh yeah...they only let idiots fly fighter jets;).


Ever been around fighter pilots?

Typically, the smart one was in the back seat. :D
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: narsus on November 12, 2002, 05:23:02 PM
I have no doubt that Bush and Clinton are both very intelligent people. People slip in speeches all the time, I see a news anchor do it at least once a week for instance.

Clinton like Reagan were really good speakers as president, no doubt about it.

My biggest problem with Gore was his personality changes, very annoying at least be consistant.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Sandman on November 12, 2002, 05:26:12 PM
Gore has a personality?
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Post by: narsus on November 12, 2002, 05:28:09 PM
Exactly Sandman, never saw who he really was
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 05:30:23 PM
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Originally posted by narsus
Exactly Sandman, never saw who he really was



what are you talking about we saw the real al gore for 8 long years.  He's a liar and a cheater and will do just about anything to gain power. "no controlling legal authority"  that was all i needed to hear to know not to vote for him.
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Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 05:31:56 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Ever been around fighter pilots?

Typically, the smart one was in the back seat. :D



 yeah but he still had to know what all those fancy dials, switches and purty flashin lights was.   Hell if he knew how to turn the damned thing on he's smarter than I am :D
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Sabre on November 12, 2002, 06:22:04 PM
LOL, Udie...me too.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: MrLars on November 12, 2002, 06:38:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sabre
Perhaps, MrLars, but it's certainly an indicator of potential, if not out-right ability.  By the same token, isn't it closed minded to assume that simply because he has a famous dad and his family is well-to-do that his degree was a give-me, and not earned?  That would be every bit as wrong as saying that any minority in a position of responsiblity only got there because of racial quotas.  Am I to undertand then that you also believe Mr. Gore's academic credential's to be equally worthless, as he also comes from a family of power and privalige?  Do we further assume that anyone with such a degree who was likewise blessed (or cursed) by a pedigree must be undeserving of that sheep-skin?  


Well, I should have made it clear that these were my opinions on accepting the validity of a degree from these institutions at face value, sure he could have and probably did graduate on his academic merits, however, you or I don't know that and it is your 'faith' in GWB that supports you opinion, not facts IMO.

Again, look at the whole man.  George W. actually worked in the private sector, putting those degrees to work, and with some measurable success.  Again I ask, what evidence (aside from the fact that he's of "the other political party), do so many democrats and liberals base their strident assertions that our President is a dim-wit?  I just don't understand, that's all.  I may not agree with every decision he makes, but I have a great deal of respect for him and his accomplishments.  I also believe he's a pretty bright guy...not omnicient mind you, but reasonably sharp over all.  And he was a F102 pilot:D.  Oh yeah...they only let idiots fly fighter jets;). [/QUOTE]

His communication skills as well as his narrow vocabulary are telltails to me that GWB isn't mensa material. The fact that he was a fighter pilot doesn't prove to me that he is anything more than of average intelligence, the fact that he went AWOL and eventualy deserted his post by means of not reporting for duty as he swore to do indicates to me again that he's not to be trusted to tell the truth at all times.

Otherwise, I think he'd be a good drinking buddy, seems like he'd be a hoot in a party situation ;)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 12, 2002, 06:46:57 PM
He put his degrees to work in the private sector with some measurable success?

He put his dad's money to work is more like it. But what of his measurable success? What are you referring to there?
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Udie on November 12, 2002, 06:49:00 PM
lol go on keep underestimating him :D I love it.  He's gonna clean the dem's clock again....
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Post by: Nash on November 12, 2002, 07:00:10 PM
I don't underestimate him.

Daniel Steel currently sits atop the the NYTimes bestseller list. The number one movie stars  Eminem. The number one album is by Christina Aguilera. George Bush Jr. is the President.

Power and ignorance aint exactly mutually exclusive. :)
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Post by: Krusher on November 12, 2002, 09:55:53 PM
Daniel Steel
NYTimes
Movie stars  
Eminem
Christina Aguilera


I dont see anyone on that list that votes Republican :)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 12, 2002, 10:08:37 PM
Meaning....?
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Post by: Sabre on November 13, 2002, 08:33:55 AM
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His communication skills as well as his narrow vocabulary are telltails to me that GWB isn't mensa material.


By the same token, using big words a lot is no guarantee of intelligence either.  That GWB chooses to speak in the venacular, rather than try to impress people with the number of syllables he can string together, is part of the reason he's popular with the people.  But peace, Nash.  The main point I was trying to make is that many of Bush's detractors keep making blanket statements about his supposed lack of intelligence, but with little or no hard evidence to support it.  My opinion, of course, so no more or less valid than your own.

As far as "faith" in GWB, well I suppose you could call it that, but that would be too strong a word.  I support him; I admire and respect him.  I do not consider him infalible, however.  Over all, I think he's doing a good job in difficult times.  If they were to write that on my tombstone, I wouldn't be too disappointed.  I'm glad he won the election, because I think he's doing a better job than Gore would have.  No way to know that of course...just my opinion, based on what I've seen of both.
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Post by: whgates3 on November 13, 2002, 02:40:42 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
...He put his dad's money to work is more like it...


actually more like his dad's influence - virtually the day dad was appointed CIA director, junior started getting funding from the Bin Laden family for is oil exploration boondogles
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Udie on November 13, 2002, 02:52:31 PM
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Originally posted by whgates3
actually more like his dad's influence - virtually the day dad was appointed CIA director, junior started getting funding from the Bin Laden family for is oil exploration boondogles




LOL   Oh man the next 6 years are goin to suck for you....


:D
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Post by: whgates3 on November 13, 2002, 03:52:31 PM
what do you mean? i've mistrusted the gov't and politicians of virtually every country for at least 20 years, but it doesn't affect QofL - i suppose you like sending half your $ to the gov't as long as it is comprised of people you voted for? i guess that would make you a tax&spender
¦¬þ
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Post by: Udie on November 13, 2002, 03:58:24 PM
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Originally posted by whgates3
what do you mean? i've mistrusted the gov't and politicians of virtually every country for at least 20 years, but it doesn't affect QofL - i suppose you like sending half your $ to the gov't as long as it is comprised of people you voted for? i guess that would make you a tax&spender
¦¬þ



 yeah that's it....:rolleyes:
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Post by: Wlfgng on November 13, 2002, 04:19:28 PM
not like I have ever brought that bottle of beer to my lips only to be confounded because it's soo smoooth.. and dry.. and

fargin caps
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Post by: WpnX on November 14, 2002, 05:26:38 PM
First of all, Nash - you are an idiot, don't make us come over there and conquer Vancouver, it probably wouldn't take more than a couple hours.

Second, easymo - it's funny you are calling others ignorant when it appears that you are the ignorant one in this case. Those are M-25 gyroscopic binoculars that President Bush is using (looks likethe DMZ in Korea, maybe guard post Oulette). They are not, as you say, night vision devices. BTW, those binos are very nice but very expensive also.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 14, 2002, 06:10:26 PM
Doh!  I only posted the Dubya pic because I thought it was funny. Now look how this thread has turned out. :(
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Post by: Nash on November 14, 2002, 06:12:26 PM
Conquer Vancouver? You guys? Give me a break, we'd kick your bellybutton and you know it.
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Post by: Ripsnort on November 14, 2002, 07:24:26 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Conquer Vancouver? You guys? Give me a break, we'd kick your bellybutton and you know it.



Suuuuuuurrrrrre you would....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,604295,00.html
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 14, 2002, 07:36:01 PM
Hmmmm....   Ripsnort!  The Guardian is the most left wing (or as you guys might say "liberal") of all our broadsheet newspapers. It's the one I like least. This news may come from an independent source - other than that, I wouldn't take anything the Guardian says too seriously. The Telegraph, The Independent and The Times are all better IMO.
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Post by: WpnX on November 14, 2002, 08:10:46 PM
Shut the hell up beetle, damn anti-gun - save the whales fairy, who asked you anyway.

And Nash I'm not done with you, you're gonna kick our ass??? You - what are you a "Graphic artist" that's so special. Must be in the same class as your pal beetle there, probably take it up the rear too. What are you gonna fight back with, I know it ain't gonna be with guns!


BTW Nash, don't get too bent out of shape, I'm only havin a little fun with ya. (What I said to beetle still stands though) I've worked with your country's  PPCLI (Princess Patricia¡'s Canadian Light Infantry) and the disbanded Canadian Commando Rgt, They are a great bunch of guys and I'll fight beside em anyday.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 14, 2002, 09:04:29 PM
Well crap, that blows MY plans. I was hopin' to have a little fun yankin' yer chain. Ah well... Cheers. :)
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Post by: Ripsnort on November 14, 2002, 09:27:37 PM
Fear not Beet1e, for the link was the first to appear after a quick search for "CIA Predator" on web browser.  I'm still packing heat, eat red meat, and am not a subject to the crown.
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Post by: BGBMAW on November 14, 2002, 09:28:54 PM
Beetl1...

Your anti gun Quote is now full of sht..Have you seen the latest Statistics of your "empires" current crime rates???

Please go find them and post them.....

Thank god you arent over here..we got enuff of your types..and we just voted theres assses out this last election!!!!

have a good night Beetl1..aka "Chamberlin"


"society is safer when criminals dont know who is armed"

Hey how about you put a sign tht says..."I have no defense in my home except my baseball bat..or the thing you guy suse for criket...lololol"

lololol

Love BiGB
xoxoxo
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Hangtime on November 14, 2002, 09:29:35 PM
wot in hell u doin on here so late rip?

republican bake sale?

;)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 14, 2002, 09:36:27 PM
'Snot 8pm yet Hang! I'm a left coaster.
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Post by: NUKE on November 14, 2002, 09:39:57 PM
 
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Originally posted by beet1e
Doh!  I only posted the Dubya pic because I thought it was funny. Now look how this thread has turned out. :(


Beetle, maybe the way the thread turned out has something to do with your American fetish, and your habbit of posting pointless, thinly veiled put-downs of Americans.

Perhapse it's your signature, which you probably put there as an additonal irritant to be shoveled down our throats.


Beet1e's Sig:

quote:
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America’s constitutional right to bear arms is an anachronism dating back to the 18th century. In modern times, it is an unmitigated disaster which has given rise to many millions of privately owned guns and an alarming homicide rate, with a tally of more than 300,000 firearms related homicides in the past 25 years. While no law can be 100% effective, Britain has no “gun culture”, and much stricter firearms controls which have contained the annual tally of gun related homicides to a double digit value - fewer than one fiftieth of the American gun-related homicide rate per 100,000 population.
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The truth:

The lack of gun ownership in the GB during WWII led to an "alarming rate" of cries to US citizens for guns to be sent to GB in order to arm an un-armed people in the face of invasion.

Americans sending their firearms to GB helped prevent "an unmitigated disaster", since Britain had "no gun culture" as well as "stricter gun laws" :


Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 14, 2002, 09:43:03 PM
Nuke... step back and take a couple of deep breaths. Don't go Udie on us. That's it. Everything's gonna be cool... we just need to relax.

:D
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Post by: whgates3 on November 15, 2002, 01:04:48 AM
...such blue language in public...
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Post by: Nash on November 15, 2002, 01:18:44 AM
Yeah it's a shame it came to that. I was ok when he had it normal and in black originally. But then he edited it to red and it got me somewhat alarmed. When he finally edited it to bold blue text, well.... there's just not much anyone can do at that point is there?
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: NUKE on November 15, 2002, 01:26:57 AM
nash, was my first attemp at color text, viewed 2 times...then made it blue when I figured it out.
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Post by: Nash on November 15, 2002, 01:40:41 AM
Oh toejam in that case WTG Nuke! Good job m8.
Title: American freedom of speech
Post by: beet1e on November 15, 2002, 03:44:05 AM
NUKE, WpnX and BGBMAW...

Well, well. That's a bit rich coming from you guys. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. LOL! Oh yeah, and freedom to carry a gun, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech. Right?  Or so it seems, but only if you are in agreement with the majority or, to put it more accurately, the most vociferous wall of opinion.

WpnX-
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Shut the hell up beetle, damn anti-gun - save the whales fairy, who asked you anyway.
Nobody asked me. I don't need to be asked. This is an open forum in which people have the right to air topics of their choice. I don't make personal flames, and I attempt to speak the truth. What is said in my sig. is, I believe, the truth. Else I wouldn't be saying it. I don't suppose you would have any complaint at all if I said something outrageous like "nuke all poor blacks and gays".

BGBMAW -
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Your anti gun Quote is now full of sht..Have you seen the latest Statistics of your "empires" current crime rates???
If you read to the very end of my sig, there is a hyperlink to the Home Office crime stats document, published May 2001. Yes, I have read it.

NUKE - your blue text is false. We did rely on a great deal of American help. I am told that the D-Day landing troops were made up of soldiers 90% of whom were American. We owe America an eternal debt of gratitude for that. But as to your blue text which cites the claim that we called for arms to be sent over to arm citizens, this is patently false. Unless you include the Military under the generic reference of "the people", and US Citizens to include members of the Armed Forces.

I don't hate America. I love America. But what I do find to be a major source of irritation is people who post threads designed to belittle the opinion of others, such as those who do not believe in the proliferation of privately owned weapons. I have many friends in America, and that's because not everyone in America is a self-opinionated, chest-beating, machismo salamander.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 15, 2002, 07:27:48 AM
Beet1e's signature is sorta of a permanent line in the water...its an artificial, no substance to it, most fish won't bite.  Think of it was a lure connected to the fishing pole with 2 lb. test thats been sitting on the reel for a few years, easily broken.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Rude on November 15, 2002, 08:38:06 AM
Beetle.....


I've yapped with ya online and you seem like a good guy, so don't take this personally.

Really, all you need to remember is this....we are Americans....we don't really care what you or anyone else from another country has to say.

As a matter of fact, we find it amusing that you give us that much thought in the first place....ya see, we don't really ever even think of you guys, good or bad. We are self absorbed and are ok with that.

So, if you feel the need to tell us how to live, knock yourself out. Just don't kid yourself and start to believe that we would really care what you have to say.

I admire the Brits and in many ways they are similar to us....more specifically, we have whiney malcontents within our borders as well....the difference being, they have citizenship and I'm slightly more inclined to hear them out than I am those on the outside lookin in.

Keep on makin noise....I understand....my children used to do that when they were little tikes:)

Cyas Up!
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 15, 2002, 11:07:39 AM
Rude
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we don't really care what you or anyone else from another country has to say.
Fair enough. But aren't you forgetting something? This is not just a US board. The Aces High subscribership is made up of people from many nations - too many to list, but as far as I can tell, all continents are represented with the possible exception of Africa. My observations about America are there for any and all to ponder. Your remark which I have quoted above does seem to fly in the face of the complaints my sig has elicited, although it has to be said that these can be counted on one hand.

Ripsnort - it's not intended as "bait". The fish aren't biting anyway and the only things I have hooked so far have been an old boot, a worn tyre, and a supermarket trolley.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Ripsnort on November 15, 2002, 11:12:40 AM
Mine (sig) is not bait either, Beet1e, and am quite proud of it.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: lazs2 on November 15, 2002, 11:15:59 AM
beetle... you convinced me... you really shouldn't have a gun.   Hope it works out for ya.
lazs
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Wlfgng on November 15, 2002, 11:18:03 AM
actually this IS a U.S. board,

 posted in the US on a US server and moderated by a US company hosting a US game

matters not which community/country decides to participate.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 15, 2002, 11:28:30 AM
Wlfgang
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posted in the US on a US server and moderated by a US company hosting a US game
run on computer equipment manufactured in the Far East, Taiwan, to which people connect using telephone lines (a British invention). The game itself of course has planes from Britain, America, Japan, Germany... and the subscribers all pay the same $14.95/month. I think that entitles all to have an equal voice on this board.

Lazs - agreed.

Ripsnort - Great sig! Correct the two spelling errors and it will be perfect.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: whgates3 on November 15, 2002, 12:15:17 PM
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Originally posted by WpnX
...damn anti-gun - save the whales fairy...


little know fact - some of the biggest nature conservationists (a word rooted in conservative) are avid weapons enthusiasts - hunters.  the whole movement was started by arguably the best republican conservative ever, Teddy Rosevelt
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 15, 2002, 01:40:29 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Beetle1...You are toooooo slowwwww


This report you site is at the earliest from 1999.....

So its not current.

Im no tgoing to search for the stats...I read them in my NRA magazine...maybe i will pick it back up and give you some sites to visit...

But if you try to use your 1999 stats which did not have full effext of you  Draconian gun laws which were passes... Thank god your laws have no wpointed out what i sso BLATANLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!


You make more gun laws...Criminals dont abide by laws..thats why there criminals....

You and I ..i think ..abide by laws..or try too...So these laws only hurt the law abiding citizens....


So take you old statistics and shove them up your...........:)

Love BiGB
Please....post the 2001 stats---- if your not scared

xoxoxo
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: WpnX on November 15, 2002, 05:08:51 PM
I know whgates, I'm just tryin to get ole beetle riled up:)
I love freedom of speech, and I'm glad we live in a country where we can have these freedoms. I even have a little respect for the guy because he stands up for what he believes in - even though I disagree with his beliefs. I just don't understand why he's so concerned with America's gun laws when he lives in England?
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: whgates3 on November 15, 2002, 07:08:09 PM
maybe he wants to come visit LA to see the world greatest enhanced hooters but is afraid he will get shot - - being disingenuous is not OK just because we have freedom of speech...its a charachter issue!

¦¬þ
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 16, 2002, 02:55:29 AM
BGBMAW - it is not I who is too slow, but governments are in the habit of taking time to collate, produce and release data. I have two other reports published. Ah yes, your NRA magazine - the NRA being representative of the views of all Americans, and not polarised in any way whatsoever. A leading source of objective and unbiased material. :rolleyes:

If you would look at the .PDF file that's hyperlinked in my sig., you will find that the percentage of homicides in the UK in which a firearm has been used has remained static for 25-30 years, as has the overall homicide rate itself. I doubt that there will be significant changes for later years because there were so few privately owned guns to begin with, and fewer than 90 gun related homicides in any year for which figures are available. You invite me to publish 2001 stats (if I'm not scared) but later advise me to shove them up my .... I will handle these two conflicting suggestions by advising you that the Home Office website is available for all to see.

WpnX - nothing worthy of comment.

Whgate3 - I take it that by LA you mean the city of Los Angeles, California, and not the state of Louisiana. Not sure what you mean by hooters. In British slang, a hooter can mean a car horn, or someone's nose.  I have already been to Los Angeles three times - in 1978, 1988 and 1994. I did not particularly care for it. Of the west coast cities, I much preferred San Diego, San Francisco, and Seattle.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Nash on November 16, 2002, 03:57:26 AM
No.... Hooters = boobs.

Enhanced hooters = big boobs.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 16, 2002, 05:32:59 AM
Britain’s constitutional monarchy is an anachronism dating back to the 13th century. In modern times, it is an unmitigated disaster, which has given rise to many sex scandals in the past 25 years. While no law can be 100% effective, America has no “Royal culture”, and because supreme executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, much stricter controls on leadership have completely eliminated the rate of royal butler rape per 100,000 population.

sorry couldn't resist:D
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 16, 2002, 06:29:58 AM
ROFL!!!! :D :D :D

Excellent post, Holden. :) Very good. Speaking of sex scandals, what about Clinton and Monica?  What was all that about a cigar? Thought Clinton was a non-smoker, except when he smoked dope at Oxford (but did not inhale :rolleyes: )

I once heard the Clinton presidency described as "sex between the Bushes"!

PS. I think the first monarch was King Egbert (AD 803).
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 16, 2002, 07:01:17 AM
I was dating it (the Constitutional Monarchy) to the Magna Carta, which I was, thru a hazy memory, dating to 1200 or 1300 somewhere.

Our rules haven't elimated sex scandals, just royal butler rape.:)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: lazs2 on November 16, 2002, 10:48:15 AM
clinton who?
lazs
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 16, 2002, 02:49:29 PM
Beetle1..

So as I see....Your killings and crimes have risen  2002...oh but not by guns..I guess stabbings are bettr then being shot..Ok you guys win..Thx God you didnt have to defend ur self with a gun..I think you guys should ban Knives next,..that will teach those criminals...


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Ah yes, your NRA magazine - the NRA being representative of the views of all Americans, and not polarised in any way whatsoever. A leading source of objective and unbiased material.  


No beetle it snot rep of all views..that  is a really dum thing to say...

But this group of voluteers are one of the TRUE AMERICANS who DO PRESERVE OUR CONSTitution....You dont have the 2nd Amendment with out the first....

Freedom of speech..and the freedom to bear arms

ANd it  is a leading source of objective materlais on GUNS and gun control...You dont know unless you read..but ..hey ..Ill be bak and post some links for you Limeys;:)]
Love BiGB
xoxoxo
Lick-A-Shot ............bomba clod Bwoy
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 16, 2002, 02:57:06 PM
thsi may be a bit long but Beetl1...eat your heart out..ill post a link to the rest of your  .."Safer England with out  guns"..lololo

AN EPIDEMIC OF CRIME
The London Evening Standard reported on Dec. 19, 2001, "Gun crime in London is rocketing, with increases of almost 90 percent in some firearms offenses, Scotland Yard reported today. New figures show London murders with guns increased by 87 percent in the first eight months of the year com-pared with the same period last year."

The Daily Telegraph of Jan. 3, 2002, reported, "Police fear a new crime explosion as school-age muggers graduate to guns … the number of people robbed of personal property at gunpoint rose by 53 percent … . Ballistics experts warn that firearms are now cheap and easily available."

The Telegraph reported "the number of young people committing serious crimes, including murder and grievous bodily harm, has almost doubled in seven years."

Various news outlets covered the story from a different perspective, but their conclusions were the same, very bad news–terrible news for ordinary and unarmed British subjects.

All of this was magnified for the world in a stunning report issued by the un Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute in July 2002, which found England and Wales to be far ahead of the rest of the Western world in terms of violent crime.

The headline in The Independent laid it out in very simple terms: "Britain is now the crime capital of the West." Among the findings reported were that "nearly 55 crimes are committed per 100 people" and that "England and Wales also have the worst record for ‘very serious offenses’ ... ."

With half the innocent public falling victim to crime, the issue of unbridled street thuggery has overwhelmed all else in terms of British domestic issues. All of this in a nation where personal self-defense–armed self-defense–is a crime. The inevitable response of government to its failed gun control schemes? Calls for more gun control, of course.


ohh Classic....

Love BiGB
xoxo

P.s ..heres the full article....come and get it boys....
http://www.nrahq.org/publications/tag/brittain.asp (http://)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 16, 2002, 03:04:00 PM
LO this is even better...Beetle..and yes it even happens here too..so dont worry..you guys arent the only ones making realllly bad decisions...

Hell we juts had a jusry find a gun manfacturer liable for 21million cause cuase some dum bellybutton kid shot hi steacher..!!! they didnt wan to sue thekid who did it..,,,,cause hes a poor little bastard...


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Witness the story of Tony Martin, a 54-year-old farmer, whose home on a 350-acre rural tract had been repeatedly burglarized and robbed. In fact, thieves had broken into his home and outbuildings at least two dozen times. On the night of Aug. 21, 1999, Martin heard burglars inside his home and confronted the criminals with a shotgun. He wounded one thief and killed another. A third house breaker got away.

The dead burglar had a history of crimes of violence and crimes against persons and property. He had been arrested for 29 different crimes including burglary, theft and assaulting police. The two other career criminals had been hauled before the court on criminal offenses 52 times and 35 times.

But it was Tony Martin who was prosecuted with the greatest zeal. The Crown Court found him guilty of murder and sentenced him to life in prison. Although the Court of Appeals (akin to our u.s. Supreme Court) ultimately reduced Martin’s sentence after changing his conviction to manslaughter, Martin is still in prison, serving seven years total.

In the meantime, the surviving wounded burglar, Brendon Fearon, was consulted by officials of the Home Office–in prison–as to whether or not Tony Martin could be subject to parole. Further, on July 2, 2002, the London Daily Mail revealed that the government had given £5,000 of taxpayers’ money to burglar Fearon (now a free man) to fund a lawsuit against Tony Martin.

This is the "safe society" created by the work of Britain’s gun control fanatics:

ahh it wasnt 21 millino it was 1.2 mill
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl

Stupid asss Judges ..and Burn in hell lawyers

Love BiGB
xoxo (http://)
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: beet1e on November 16, 2002, 03:48:26 PM
BGBMAW -
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The London Evening Standard reported on Dec. 19, 2001, "Gun crime in London is rocketing, with increases of almost 90 percent in some firearms offenses, Scotland Yard reported today.
Oh, well good job I don't live in London then.  

Did you cut and paste that text, or is it a fabrication? I couldn't help noticing the spelling - offenses. The Standard and Scotland Yard would have spelt it offences.

The gun threads have been done to death. You missed the boat, BGBMAW. Maybe it's YOU who is "toooooo slowwwww" - as you put it.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 16, 2002, 07:17:50 PM
LOLO beetle1....well im too slow..but your Lies have to be defeated..cause if you keep reapaeting peopl will begin to beleive...

your "quotes or what ever you call them on all yor posts are what im refferring too....

And yes I cut and pasted..but  the link will show u the full text...

Love BiGB
xoxo


P.S. great come back.."Im glad I dont live in London"..lmfao...ya im happy i dont live in Compton..(Ghetto in L.A.)...Bu t to ban inexpensive guns just makes people who cant afford a $500 pistol defensless....is that fair ??..Hell no


YEEEEEEEEEEE  u are wrong!!!!!!!lololololo
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: Daniko on November 17, 2002, 12:00:35 AM
Personally, i'd like to see people start to get over the issue of whether Bush is a numbnut, or Clinton is a cock in a cheap suit, and start to talk about real important stuff, like why almost 10,000 American servicemen have died in the last 10 years from "Gulf War Syndrome," which they are now discovering is related to Depleted Uranium used in American armor piercing weapons on the battle field.  This is an issue that has Radical Right Wingers, and Left Wingers shouting.  That death toll is almost 20% of our casualties of the Vietnam war.
Title: Dubya surveys the battle lines...
Post by: BGBMAW on November 18, 2002, 03:02:40 PM
i met a rifleman in the marines this weekend..was in vietnam...lord bless him..the effects of death still are on him ...It was frikn eerie to hear him.."Killin Commies for my mommy"....seeing lots of death around him

Lord I pray for our soldiers...God Bless them..all

May we have a quik and crushing attaks where ever we point our gun

and depleted uranaium??? How many wepaons use it?? just rockts and missles..or do we make AP rounds form machine guns too?? M-60 and such??

Love BiGB