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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: udet on November 13, 2002, 02:52:07 PM
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(this is copied and pasted, his English is very poor)
(Q): There are comments made by experienced online pilots from another sim. In my opinion, some points are very valid and some things might need to be reworked in Il-2. (List...)
(A): About flight model in AH....
Joke.... Intersting but all these guys think that they know better than pilots.
Ok. Nothing more.
Just one comment. Il-2 can't replace AH untill the time when the multiplaye will have similar features to AH and will be free (with limited amount of planes) or for the small payment if to run more than 300 planes simulataniously.
Stop...
Link: 10/08/02 11:23AM
it's from a FAQ that can be found at this link (http://www.cfspilots.50megs.com/adorante/il2_oleg_07.htm)
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I think he needs to look at WB, as far as online is conserned. He has all the same problems, and with only 32 players.
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Oleg was looking at AH along time ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one that got an email from him asking what I envisioned as what it takes to make a good flight sim, strategy, etc. He sampled alot of people, then built it. They came. Now he's >< far away from creating one of the best MMOG's on the market.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Oleg was looking at AH along time ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one that got an email from him asking what I envisioned as what it takes to make a good flight sim, strategy, etc. He sampled alot of people, then built it. They came. Now he's >< far away from creating one of the best MMOG's on the market.
until you put 32+ of his nice looking planes on screen. SLIDE SHOW.......
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Oleg at his diplomatic best :). You should read some of the other Q&As in the link.
I think he under-estimates the number of real-life pilots in AH and also he should consider that if he is going for the Flight Sim MMOG market then we basically ARE that market, apart from a few die-hards in WB and a few Quake Kids who play what's left of FA.
Mind you the Il2 player base is much larger than ours and you should see some of the whining that goes on there, so perhaps that explains his short temper.
Do like Il2? Yes, it's certainly the best boxed WWII flight sim around and stands as the next leap forward in the genre.
Would I play an MMOG version of IL2? I'd certainly give it a go.
I still don't think everything is right with the game though (behaviour with flaps down comes to mind as well as performance at alt).
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Think about it guys... this is like Hardcase in reverse. What do any of us care what Oleg says on his board? Doesn't it seem natural there would be bias for his sim over there? I say don't sweat it, and play the ones you like. And for the love of pete, don't go over there and pull a 500 post thread out your butt "defending" AH. That's a sure loser.
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IMO -IL2 compliments AH extremely well and visa vis.
I enjoy both tremendoulsy for very different reasons.
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The Triumph of flight sims.
Looks nice..... best left in the garage.
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Another quote from farther down the list of what I am going to call "Olegism's":
Probably. Maybe some elements, but with limited amount of players. Simply for greater than 32 we should support special dedicated server. Il-2 had other goal on the market then AH and WB. And this first goal is done with unexpected success for us. That means that we'll continue to develop sims with increased level of details, precision, better 3D world, better AI, complexity of modeling, new elements of gameplay, etc.
I don't think Oleg has a really great grasp of the English language. If you read and re-read his statements you get the understanding of that. Anyway with the way his game forums get trashed more than AH forums I can understand his short temper. So as he stated "IL-2 had other goal on the market then AH". And I think he did a hell of a job on that with the exception of the campaign generator. Hopefully IL-2: FB addon will remedy that situation.
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I agree with rip..
anyone that discounts this guy and his team from developeing a killer masive multi player online game because of his use of english is beeing really really silly.
I like that he is vocal in his comunity..with that comes some foot in mouth and some misunderstandings..but look at what he is accomplishing.
He has total crediblity with his comunity..And he is right about AH types..we do think we know more then pilots or game developers...the truth shouldn't hurt anyones feelings.
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Oleg is busy perfecting his sim, included in that perfection is MORE people online than works well now.
He will probably pull it off and I am sure HTC and other Pay to Play Providers are watching his progress.
I can say with no doubt and no apologies that IL2s online capability, even with its limited numbers online, is what cost HTC my subscription.
This in no way means AH is not an excellent game it simply means I can get all I expect from online play from another source.
I do miss those B17s and Gooney Birds though.
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Originally posted by Sunchaser
Oleg is busy perfecting his sim, included in that perfection is MORE people online than works well now.
He will probably pull it off and I am sure HTC and other Pay to Play Providers are watching his progress.
I can say with no doubt and no apologies that IL2s online capability, even with its limited numbers online, is what cost HTC my subscription.
This in no way means AH is not an excellent game it simply means I can get all I expect from online play from another source.
I do miss those B17s and Gooney Birds though.
Well said Sunchaser. Good Luck over there in IL-2 and hopefully I can get in on one of well hosted server setups soon.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
"Joke.... Intersting but all these guys think that they know better than pilots. "
lol. Interestingly enough many AH players are pilots including HiTech. Is Oleg?
Oed
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/the_game/dev_team.php#top
Visist that site and read up on designers of IL2. Notice education level of each team member.
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I have no doubt that the future will yield some very interesting games. Thing is the network connectivity for MMOG games is probably one of the most important aspects of online gaming. Lets hypotheticaly say they produce an MMOG game based on the IL2 game. If the servers are in Russia, people over here can expect alot of network lag. Network issues for MMOG games are VERY important.
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Russian I didn't notice anything startling? No offense to those guys but Technical Universities, Polytechnics, ummmm... comon.
Udie look at it another way, IL2 caters for todays top end machines, but when these guys go to the MMPOG stage todays top end machines will be the average desktop PC.
Originally posted by Russian
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/the_game/dev_team.php#top
Visist that site and read up on designers of IL2. Notice education level of each team member.
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Vulcan what would be startling? Nobel prizes in Physics? :)
The truth is they have a bunch of extremly well educated and experienced programmers and experienced pilots many of which have been with the company and have worked together programming games for almost 10 years. You would have to a damn fool to dismiss such a team. And whatever the faults of the russian system past and present mathematics has never been one of nor has computer programming, these guys are good and could threaten AH soon.
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The preferred system requirements are a good source of amusement. What is it, 1 gig cpu, etc. I have a 1.2 gig celeron,GF4,SB live xgamer. 320 meg ram, on DSL. And the thing is unplayable, online.
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IL2 is the future of Flight Simulation, and yes Oleg and Team ARE working to bring a hundred + player virtual Battlefield together.
For all you "aces high cheerleaders", you should take off your blind folds now. An awakening to the "Next Level" of flight simulation is upon the industry. Oh, and Yes,.. 1C are the ones who are about to bring it to you. IL2 has only begun to "set" the stage for what further development in store.
It is hilarious, to sit here and read some of you guys/girls posts about how Il2 is a slide show. LOL Gimme a break, It is by far one of the best running AND highly Detailed games on the planet right now for flight simulation.
I really like that my "ancient Athlon 1.4" (NOT AthlonXP) produces its "45+" frames a second QUITE Well WITH 32+ players onscreen.
For anyone here, who Uses less than 1gig machines now awdays.. are really the problem. :rolleyes:
For Fks sake... YOU can GET a damn Brand new 1.4XP! for under 50$$ and Ram costs about as much as cornflakes.. gimme a break.
I don't think Oleg has a really great grasp of the English language.
Oh hey... Reschke,.. You are obviously being a complete igorant dolt for saying such a lame thing. How about you explain IN RUSSIAN for everything that he is trying to say. :rolleyes:
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You are not computer literate, Easy-Mo. I play it at 1078x32, full options, max players on my worn out old system. Plays smooth as glass. Work on your setup my friend, because I am guessing the prob is on your end.
(http://www.lizking.com/diagram.gif)
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IL2 is the future of Flight Simulation
Are you aching....yump, yump, yump....for some bacon, yump, yump, yump....
You forgot to add.
Leonardo DiCraprio/Pamela Anderson are the bestest actors ever....
Pearl harbor is the bestest war film ever.....
Bill Clinton is the bestest president in US history......ever :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Vulcan what would be startling? Nobel prizes in Physics? :)
The truth is they have a bunch of extremly well educated and experienced programmers and experienced pilots many of which have been with the company and have worked together programming games for almost 10 years. You would have to a damn fool to dismiss such a team. And whatever the faults of the russian system past and present mathematics has never been one of nor has computer programming, these guys are good and could threaten AH soon.
What is the world coming to ? Me and Grun agreeing on something ?
HELP ME !!! HELP ME !!!!
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Ah! We're going to do the 500 post parade over here instead.
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I'm with SunChaser on this one. IL-2 out of the box was enough to scratch the itch. I've enjoyed WB and AH for many, many moons but, for me, the gameplay has gotten stagnant. I signed back up for awhile with the new version but after toying about with the new stuff it was basically the same ole lather, rinse repeat. It's a fun lather rinse repeat but overall I'd say there has been a lack of innovation since the days of AW.
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Originally posted by Apeboy
I'm with SunChaser on this one. IL-2 out of the box was enough to scratch the itch. I've enjoyed WB and AH for many, many moons but, for me, the gameplay has gotten stagnant. I signed back up for awhile with the new version but after toying about with the new stuff it was basically the same ole lather, rinse repeat. It's a fun lather rinse repeat but overall I'd say there has been a lack of innovation since the days of AW.
Lack of innovation?
Driveable CV's.
PT Boats.
Mission Planner.
Manable guns ranging from 16" to 20mm.
Bomber formations.
Perk points/planes.
Custom terrains.
I would hardly say that AH is lacking innovation. I would agree on lack of strat...something thats hard to model when your missing the whole war thing.
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I don't care that much but... I won't playa game with a limited planeset that is all allied vs axis. Maybe if they get a couple hundred players in one arena and have a good representation of U.S. brit LW russian planes in a good 3 country MA style like AH then maybe I will try it for some slight improvement in damage or whatever. Seems they are a long way off from attracting MA players like myself
lazs
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Rip,
I hear ya, but, no matter how many gun platforms you add it doesn't change the fundamentals of the game. Whether you are in a PT or a bomber formation or a perked ME-262 it's just a rose by another name. Adding different vehicles to shoot other people with is fine but I can't agree to call it innovation.
I'm really looking forward to the Mission Theater when it arrives in AH. I hope it will add a sense of purpose and immersion that imho has been lacking. I know there is the CT, I've sat in there for what seems like forever and it's not much more than a dueling arena. Scenarios are great but again numbers are somewhat difficult to come by on a regular basis. Missions in the MA is like herding cats.
I hope this idea of the mission theater catches on. Even a Axis vs. Allies server would be ok.
And just to show you how much my opinion is worth you can print this out, go to McDonalds, present this post along with 89 cents and they'll give you a cup of coffee. :)
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hehe, lasz2 posted as I was replying. It appears we are at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to what we want online. The MA drives me nuts with planes of all countries allowed to wing up with one another in one big endless furball. A perfect example of you can't please all the people all the time. :)
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Apeboy, AH is truly the only sim out there that "is" innovation. They keep changing it to keep our interest. Agreed it is "stagnant" at the moment, but when the aforementioned items above hit the sim the stagnation was not apparent, for awhile anyway. HTC knows this from experience, and do continue to lead the way in MMOG flight sim innovation. I have confidence in them, thats why I'm still following them around after almost 8 years! in the meantime, I'm bored silly like you...waiting for "something new" to generate my interest!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Lack of innovation?
Driveable CV's.
PT Boats.
Mission Planner.
Manable guns ranging from 16" to 20mm.
Bomber formations.
Perk points/planes.
Custom terrains.
I would hardly say that AH is lacking innovation. I would agree on lack of strat...something thats hard to model when your missing the whole war thing.
The biggest lag is the game play ripsnort.
Not really much done on it or ?
Still the same ol Landgrab stuff. No strat no nothing.
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Read the last line of that quote, Freeze.
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*shrugs* AH gets my patronage. Il-2 doesn't. I'm not all that interested in Eastern Front action.
Il-2 has a very, very long way to go to get my attention. First they have to reproduce the variety AH has. Then they have to convince my squad to leave AH. I won't go until they go. :)
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Apeboy, AH is truly the only sim out there that "is" innovation.
I don't agree with that. AH is good at what it does, Il-2 is good at what it does. I wouldn't place one above the other when it comes to innovation, and I wouldn't call any one sim the only innovative sim out there.
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Anyone remember the fiasco at SimHq when IL2 first came out, with a bunch of notable AH players participating?
Ya, you know, the one where Oleg told everyone that Russian data supports the fact that the IL2 out turned, out climbed, and out everything else'd the 109's of the era? There was quite the fight between said AH people and the Simhq/Oleg faithful, but I think anyone can agree that a Jabo a/c that is a heavy fatass tank could in no way match a 109 even if the 109 was flown by a blind person, in relation to a2a combat.
IL2 MAY in fact be a great game, I tried it initially then took it back myself, but Oleg's attitude has alwasy been number SUCK. IMO he should spend more time waiting in lines for bread then talking smack on the net.
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One of the best lines,,,,, ever.
Originally posted by Gman
IL2 MAY in fact be a great game, I tried it initially then took it back myself, but Oleg's attitude has alwasy been number SUCK. IMO he should spend more time waiting in lines for bread then talking smack on the net.
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Olegs comments border the absurd, to hilarious; to impossible to rebuttal, to outright candid righteousness, which is just a fantastic and interesting read. At least he speaks.
Still Gmans 8th grade lunch room response Oleg is number one suck! is one of the best line EVER, totally way cool, and junk. The bestest ever. TAS groovey.
(Rude, hire Laz as your stand-in "Morale Officer", this fool ain't clever, or funny.)
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Originally posted by jbroey3
Oh hey... Reschke,.. You are obviously being a complete igorant dolt for saying such a lame thing. How about you explain IN RUSSIAN for everything that he is trying to say. :rolleyes:
Jbroey3,
Where can I start with you...Maybe you should have read the complete post that I put up there. I know it is hard for someone of your obvious low intellect to understand sarcasm in a typed post but it was there. So I will post it again with "Sarcasm Mode" showing where it should be turned on and off. If you speak/read/write Russian that is great; so instead of me showing how much of a fool I would be with Russian why don't you show us yourself. I have always wanted to learn a foreign language but have never gotten around to it.
Now for just for you yankee boy jbroey3.
I don't think Oleg has a really great grasp of the English language. If you read and re-read his statements you get the understanding of that. Anyway with the way his game forums get trashed more than AH forums I can understand his short temper. So as he stated "IL-2 had other goal on the market then AH". And I think he did a hell of a job on that with the exception of the campaign generator. Hopefully IL-2: FB addon will remedy that situation.
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*shakes heads*
Why does always have to turn into this?
Geez, why do people feel the need to hammer one camp or the other. It's like one side thinks htc is gonna give them a free months gameplay for being the biggest fanboi and Oleg is going to send them a free copy of the new game. Pathetic.
Both games could stand some constructive criticism or discussion for disscussion's sake but I swear, looks like many people are here just because they found out a work around to Net Nanny.
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Nice try creamo.
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I didnt actually think Laz would join your group, but thats a super duper Flanders wacky comeback! You go. You are crazy!
You TAS guys, your nuts! (no pun intended) ygjiz.
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A: I'm not in TAS anymore
B: Nobody really likes you here.
C: You slammed me only because you're jealous that you didn't say it first, albeit with some fancy grammatical words that you had to look up in an online dictionary.
D: In regards to B, I actually find you pretty funny.
I had the unfortunate opportunity to be an editor of a big sim site, and have seen some aspects of Oleg that many of you probably haven't. That's all, it's just personal for me I guess.
I'm not an "AH FANBOY", I realize there is still many troubles here, but at least they don't cry and whine about it, HTC keeps it tight and soldiers forward. Oleg is just a big online baby about many things, especially his game.
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Originally posted by Gman
D: In regards to B, I actually find you pretty funny.
I might add, Gman found Clinton funny too, but never liked him either :D:D (G,D,R)
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Did I forget the "looking" part on the end of that quote? Looks that way.
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he should spend more time waiting in lines for bread then talking smack on the net.
too funny :D
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geeze... sometimes I feel like the friggin boogey man..
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
funked said in response to the terror squirrle attack in england that was only stopped by a grandfather with an illeagal air rifle... "Wow if they had a rabid racoon I bet they'd have to call in NATO to bring over a .22 or something."
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Dynamic Campaign System - 37.1% = 3759 votes
Improvement in flight dynamics - 20.0% = 2026 votes
(from a recent poll at IL-2)
I could not care less about the DCS. Box stuff is my idea of nothing to do. What I do care about comes in a distant second. And they did not even ask about online improvements, the one thing I do care about. I guess its just not for me.
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Complete list of IL-2 aircraft.
Flyable: IL-2 Single seat early, IL-2 Single seat, IL-2 Single seat late, IL-2 Field modification with rear gunner, IL-2M Type-2, IL-2 Type 3, IL-2 Type 3M, IL-2T, IL-2I, I-16 type 18, I-16 type 24, LaGG-3, LaGG-3-IT, LaGG-3 Late, La-5FN, MiG-3, MiG-3ud, MiG-3 AM-38, MiG-3 (2x12mm MGs), MiG-3 (2x20mm cannons), MiG-3U, P-39N-1, P-39Q-1, P-39Q-10, Yak-1 Early, Yak-1B, Yak -7B, Yak-9, Yak-9D, Yak-9T, Yak-9K, Yak-9U, Yak-3, Bf-109E-4, Bf-109E-4/B, Bf-109E-7/B, Bf-109E-7/Z, Bf-109F-2, Bf-109F-4, Bf-109G-2, Bf-109G-6 Early, Bf-109G-6 Late, Bf-109G-6/AS, FW-190A-4, FW-190A-5, FW-190A-8, Ju-87B-2, PZL P.11, BI-1
AI: R-10, U-2 (Po-2), Li-2, MBR-2 seaplane, Pe-2 1st series, Pe-2 84 series, Pe-2 110 series, Pe-2 359 series, Pe-3, Pe-3bis, Pe-8, Tu-2s, He-111Z, Hs-129B-2, Hs-129B-3/Wa, Ju-52, Ju-52 seaplane, Ju-88A-4, Fi-156 Storch, FW-189, Me-323, Me-321, He-162A, IAR-80, IAR-81
New Aircraft.
In additional to all IL-2 and IL-2 add-ons aircraft there are:
Flyable
Ju-87D-3 Two seat dive bomber / ground attack aircraft
Ju-87G-1 Two seat tank buster / ground attack aircraft
Bf-109G-14 fighter.
Bf-109G-10 fighter.
Bf-109K-4 fighter.
FW-190D-9 fighter. 1944 model
FW-190D-9 fighter. 1945 model with MW50
FW-190F-8 fighter-bomber.
FW-190A-9 fighter.
He-111H-2 multi-crewed bomber
He-111H-6 multi-crewed bomber / torpedo bomber
Me-262A-1a jet fighter.
Me-262A-2a jet fighter-bomber.
B-239 (Brewster Buffalo F2A) fighter. Finnish Air Force
Hurricane Mk I fighter. Finnish Air Force
TB-3 multi-crewed bomber.
La-5 fighter.
La-5F fighter.
La-7 2x20mm ShVAK cannons fighter.
La-7 3x20mm B-20 cannons fighter.
I-153 M-62 fighter.
I-153P fighter.
Hurricane Mk IIB fighter.
Hurricane Mk IIC fighter.
Hurricane Mk II with Russian cannons and MGs fighter.
P-47D-10 fighter / fighter-bomber.
P-47D-27 fighter / fighter-bomber.
P-40E fighter.
P-40M fighter.
P-40 field mode with Soviet M-105P engine fighter.
AI
Bristol Blenheim MK I bomber. Finnish Air Force
Bristol Blenheim MK IV bomber. Finnish Air Force
Fiat G.50 fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.406 fighter. Finnish Air Force
Morane MS.410 fighter. Finnish Air Force
Mφrkφ Morane fighter. Finnish Air Force. Equipped with Soviet engine M-105P, captured by Germans and sold in Finland
DB-3 - long rage bomber
DB-3T - torpedo bomber
DB-3M - long rage bomber
IL-4(DB-3F) 1940 long rage bomber.
IL-4 1942 long rage bomber / torpedo bomber.
SB-2 M-100 bomber.
SB-2 M-103 bomber.
Bf-110C heavy fighter and fighter bomber.
Bf-110G heavy fighter and fighter bomber.
Me-210Ca-1 heavy fighter and fighter-bomber. Hungarian Air Force
Me-210Ca-1 Zerstφrer - formation destroyer / ground attack. Hungarian Air Force. In additional to standard cannons 1x40mm, 2x3 150mm rockets
P-51D fighter. USAAF.
Ar-196A-3 Sea plane.
Catalina - Sea plane.
Su-2 - Close support bomber
P.S.
Fw 190A-9 !!!!!!!
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Holy shiznit. The 110, one of the most prominent planes on the east front, is STILL not flyable?
What kind of cheap russian crack are those guys smoking?
Yeah, a TB-3, or a P-47D-27 is much more important to include as flyable than the 110.
(Not that I'm knocking the P-47, it's a mutha-beautiful plane, but how common was it on the east front, compared to the 110?)
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Originally posted by UserName
Holy shiznit. The 110, one of the most prominent planes on the east front, is STILL not flyable?
What kind of cheap russian crack are those guys smoking?
Yeah, a TB-3, or a P-47D-27 is much more important to include as flyable than the 110.
(Not that I'm knocking the P-47, it's a mutha-beautiful plane, but how common was it on the east front, compared to the 110?)
Some one is trying to design cockpit for 110, check http://www.il2center.com/
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That someone is Shane + Avirex
Here's their work
http://www.il2center.com/Axis/Germany/04/Index.html
http://www.il2center.com/Axis/Germany/04/08sm.jpg
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my post didn't include user made additions to planeset:
Right now I can remember some though:
Me 410
P-80
Go229
WW1 planes (Albatros, Spad, Anatra...)
Too many to remember, those will be added after FB though.
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It wouldn't make much difference, I couldn't hit squat in a Bf-109 in IL2. And since when was the P-39 able to out spiral climb a Bf-109G?
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If you'd know how to use it, it will not.
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looks really good. I like the tank buster gun :-)
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so.. are they ever gonna get any good planes?
lazs
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Yep Lazs, Fighter which had 38:1 K/D ratio, you'll gonna love that little bugger when dogfighting against Spits :)
http://www.danford.net/scores.htm
Greg Boyington interviewed:
I remember asking him about the Brewster Buffalo (Then, Now and Always, my favorite aircraft). I had no sooner finished saying the word 'Buffalo', when he slammed his beer can down on the table, and practicaly snarled, "It was a DOG!" (His emphasis). Then he slowly leaned back in his chair and after a moment quietly said, "But the early models, before they weighed it all down with armorplate, radios and other toejam, they were pretty sweet little ships. Not real fast, but the little diddlys could turn and roll in a phonebooth. Oh yeah--sweet little ship; but some engineer went and diddlyed it up." With that he reached for his beer and was silent again. After that answer, I somehow had the feeling that I had just gotten a glimpse into Boyington's attitude towards life in general.
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Originally posted by Staga
Yep Lazs, Fighter which had 38:1 K/D ratio,
http://www.danford.net/scores.htm
Only because the enemy overshot them low, near the ground, and subsequently augered.
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lazs made a typo, he ment ugly planes, like this one:
(http://www.il2center.com/Allied/US/11/01.jpg)
Somebody is working on it, who knows, maybe it makes it in FB, but I doubt it
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guess what is the best plane in IL-2 Sturmovik? ...the IL-2 itself. I was using it as a fighter and had a blast, those poor 109s were dropping like flies, including one from a collision that only bent a panel on my cowling.
If this is not biased, I don't know what else is.
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Originally posted by udet
guess what is the best plane in IL-2 Sturmovik? ...the IL-2 itself. I was using it as a fighter and had a blast, those poor 109s were dropping like flies, including one from a collision that only bent a panel on my cowling.
If this is not biased, I don't know what else is.
And in Forgotton Battles FB will be the best plane ;)
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When I'm in a fighter, Il2s are the easiest things to take down.
When I'm in an Il2, I have no problem taking down other fighters and merrily blowing the crap outta my target..
Seriously, got 1600 points (strafed several Ju52s taking off, and shot down 3 already airborne fighters. 2 109s and a 190).. This was in a coop and the fighters were human controlled.
It's the most stable gun platform in the game, and has 23mm cannons in the wings(except the M3, which has 37mms slung underneath the wings)...
The Il2 isn't overmodelled. It's a great plane when used properly, it's a wallowing target when it's not.
-SW