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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bodhi on November 14, 2002, 11:41:36 AM
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What really gets me while writing this post is the plain arrogance of some people. I understand that fooling aroung and playing games is one thing, but flat out arrogance is another. Fighter Pilots should be brash, and to some points even egotistical, it was necessary for their survival. Know you are the best, and there is that much more wind behind your sails. But here in the MA, we all have to live together. Country mates should support one another, not try and lecture their own all knowing attitude to those that are there having a good time. My biggest beef, the reason for this post finally coming out, is an action brought about by Fariz today in the MA amongst the BISH.
The situation is as simple as this: we, about 10 guys were moving CV 31 to field 45 for a field capture, this had been going on for the better part of a 1/2 hour. The people involved were having fun, the reason I, and am sure most of you play the friggin game!!! Well, then Fariz shows up, takes the CV away from us, and says HE is tired of having to lecture us about how we should play the game. Well, you know Fariz, we all pay the same. The CV was not in ANY danger, and you just arrogantly ruined the fun for 10 others even after you were nicely asked to turn the CV N again. I am sorry, but that is just plain arrongance, and has no place here.
Regardless of your score, you should show some concern for the others in here, as our $14.95 a month is the reason the game goes on. Yes, there are a few really good players in here, they game the game to it's upmost, and garner wonderful scores in reward. Then there are the masses, those that are here to try and enjoy a few moments while pursuing an interest in WW2 aviation. Well guess what, we, the mass that are here for fun, support AH. This is something that definitely needs to be addressed, as it really takes away from game play, and just ruins the fun for the amajority when people like Fariz act like that.
I am truly disappointed that people have to be like this....
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If your disgruntled, come to Knights, we never have fights over the CV (Tongue-in-cheek)
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Fariz is typicaly, in my experaince, a level-headed guy. I've seen people waste CV's by thorwiing them at a feild that is not Cap'd;
So I ask you, was it cap'd? or did fariz possibly save the CV? I'd save the CV in his postion. I think .. a live CV 8 miles out is better than a dead one 1 mile out (about where it has to be for LVT spawn)
Of course i don't and can't know the details; but if it wasn't a cap'd field, I can see why he would turn it, common sense to AH vets.
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Already have Ripsnort.... sad to have to leave your friends to go have fun because someone is a know it all.
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Baaaa...come back you wienie. :)
xBAT
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You went KNIGGIT!?!?! What is the world coming to? :D
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If your disgruntled, come to Knights, we never have fights over the CV (Tongue-in-cheek)
Naaaa....you should come to Rooks. We never have CV to fight over... :D
Cheers,
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So I ask you, was it cap'd? or did fariz possibly save the CV? I'd save the CV in his postion. I think .. a live CV 8 miles out is better than a dead one 1 mile out (about where it has to be for LVT spawn)
Actually it was about 15 out, but we were cappin it, and getting ready to launch the assault when he took it... there was no threat to the CV, just a bunch of guys having fun, and Fariz lecturing that we were not playing properly according to him... that and "How tired he was of lecturing people about the way to play the game!"
Well, you know what, FEK YOU Fariz... we pay our $14.95 too, and it does not include spending our days attacking defenseless bases...
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Ya god knows we need more nitwits. I dont know you but i do know fariz and trust his judgment. Did that door hurt ?
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Um... Bodhi... Are you absolutely, 100% sure it was Fariz? This does not seem to be possible to me... Why would a guy like Fariz take the CV from you? Everyone knows that monster TYPHOON raids can NOT take off from the CV... :D
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Ohh look, akkobek, Fariz's Biatch spouting off for him. We're not all sheep like you to be led around by a collar. You trust his judgement which says alot for you. Poor lad.
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I was on at the time as a Bish. I have to say that I agree 100% with Bodhi. Fariz, Nice guy that he may be, has been pissing me off lately with all the ordering about he generally does.
This little incident was pure rank abuse. He had just logged on, had no intention of using the CV, was moving it for the sole use of denying an assault on a, in his opinion, 'worthless' base and made that clear when asked to relinquish command. I was having a crappy morning and this was the last straw. Logged.
The CV command thing needs to be adressed. No one person should be able to dictate to the rest of the communtiy how an asset like a CV gets used.
Gatso
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Maybe its worth it to have an "eject commander" vote of some type. If 10 people vote for it, the commander is banned from commanding that CV for an hour... or two.
AKDejaVu
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A complaint I have had from the start of player controlled CV action is too many guys are so afraid of losing it, they take it and make it an inevectual part of the game. Whats the point of having it if you won't take it to a fight???
I dont know what Fariz did, but another others have ruined the fun of many because they were so fearful they ran the dang thing away.
If you cant stomach risking a lose, find another hobby, this game/sim is about killing and dieing, taking and losing.
dago
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Maybe its worth it to have an "eject commander" vote of some type. If 10 people vote for it, the commander is banned from commanding that CV for an hour... or two.
Good idea!
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Maybe its worth it to have an "eject commander" vote of some type. If 10 people vote for it, the commander is banned from commanding that CV for an hour... or two.
AKDejaVu
ooohhhh good idea. Can we get one for the BBS too? There is someone I would very much like to "give the boot" to....how about you Deja? ;)
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Its part of the game dynamics. Fariz score enables him seniority.
As such if he says "Im going to kill your fun because I care for my CV" then you can either:
1. Get a higher score and take control of CV.
a) Become like Fariz and ruin others fun when they are
negligent to your CV.
2. Get over it, make a fight somewhere else.
a) Then have Fariz follow you around, ruining your fun.
3. Quit AH and send an email to HTC telling them what you think.
a) Chill, come back with a new name and perspective.
b) Go to WBs and find out it sucks more (see 3., a).
c) Go to WW2OL and find out it sucks even worse
than WBs (see 3., a).
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in the island map the cvs at p14 and p32 are only good for protecting the home islands. cv31 in particular.
If you sail it to 45 then the nme fleet may slip past and will take your port and then they will own the fleet. The attack pattern is to hit 45 from 24 then 46 then 28. Or 43 to 49 then 48. You should leave the cv on the west side of the island where a28 is. Or else while you are bogged down at 45 (an area where there ase 3 close airfields and a vbase) with cv31 to the east and out of position the fleet from p55 (CV 54) will sail down the west edge of the map to p32. Or an NOE raid from 28 may develop. This happens all the time. Especially if the other guy knows whats up. The cvs need to hold position until 28 falls. Taking it east to the center of the map opens your home island to invasion.
CV 13 is different as long as you side holds 9 or 10.
You may call it "arrogance" but seems to me Fariz may be a bit wiser to gameplay then you. Fariz knows what he was doing. And the only thing a low rank gets you is the ability to command the cv. If you want the cv then get your rank lower then Fariz's.
CVs are easy to sink and lvts are easy to defend against.
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Its part of the game dynamics. Fariz score enables him seniority.
...and it shouldn't.
Rank does not generally reflect skill or experience and should not be the criteria upon which control of strategic assets like CV's should be based.
Gatso
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I've just read Wotans post, re-read Bodhis and realised that Bodhi appears to be describing a different incident than I remember.
Fariz moved CV32 away from 15 miles SW of 28 this morning as an assault was starting to build and sent it to 24 which was under very mild attack and had defenders up.
My points stand however.
Gatso
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If I was controlling that CV and flying off it with squaddies or friends and someone took it from me and told me i was going to waste it and I didn't know what I was doing....
..one of two things would occur:
1. Channel 1 grid location of CV
2. Change sides and sink it myself.
F#ck the little generals.
thank you for your time.
F.
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You may call it "arrogance" but seems to me Fariz may be a bit wiser to gameplay then you. Fariz knows what he was doing. And the only thing a low rank gets you is the ability to command the cv. If you want the cv then get your rank lower then Fariz's.
Wotan, it is nothing but plain and simple being an arse that Fariz exhibited when he took the CV.... as I said before... the CV was in no danger, and people were having fun, thats the IDEA HERE... we were having fun, and Fariz acted like an A S S H O L E, and ruined it because he felt he knew better, he did not use the cv for a more valiant purpose, he just did it so we would do what HE wanted... thats the whole reason for this post.
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Bodhi....and any Flying Circus...are more than welcome to join us Nazgul at any time. I wish you guys would just move en masse and avoid the Fariz silliness along with being silly Bishop.
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Dear Bodhi .... you`re proper lame... some of just do not play for FUN :D :D :D (j/k)
but ...
some of us just know more about strategy
some of us just have no clue about strategy
some of us just do not care about strategy
i dont know, how long you fly, but im not surprise, that fariz did that
i do not see anything wrong about that....
power has been given to the people whitch can prove their skill....
because skilled leader have a bit bigger chance, that he will make some usefull decision
fariz did and he rule...
you have only 1 chance.... be better that fariz, stop whinning, crying and do what you wanna do
or just ask him, why he do that , you may learn something
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Originally posted by Furious
If I was controlling that CV and flying off it with squaddies or friends and someone took it from me and told me i was going to waste it and I didn't know what I was doing....
..one of two things would occur:
1. Channel 1 grid location of CV
2. Change sides and sink it myself.
F#ck the little generals.
thank you for your time.
F.
Exactly what I did last week :D
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Fariz is a great guy who contibutes a lot of effort to the MA with his missions.
Instead of whining, join a couple of them, don't like it, make some suggestions. I'm sure he'd listen.
Take it from some one who knows, the BBS critisizm route ain't the best way to go.
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Originally posted by Goth
I wish you guys would just move en masse and avoid the Fariz silliness along with being silly Bishop.
dont know Ghost , but i would never call fariz like you did....
most best enmy in AH are that proper fun....
im haveing more fun to fight agains him, that again some newB
if you are able to call Aces like he silly, im wondering, whats your source of fun in AH.
may be vulching ? ;)
i love to fight agains Bishs.... you will never run out of targets :D :D :D
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Sax...
We tried, so very nicely and politely to be nice about it, and were promptly told to go fly for another country if we did not like it. So ya know what, that little arrogant man, behind the monitor in some crappy third world country, just pushed 3 more people away from this game.... Guess if thatsyour idea of learning then maybe we should put you in with a democratic campaign.
And as for any others that think Fariz is a "wonder General" look at how he acts, he is an arrogant, pompous ass... do you really want to be a part of that? I think not, I will fly for fun, not strat, not war wins, but for fun, and guess what, far more of us are here for that more than anything else........
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well bodhi... you can cry here untill next Xmas, but you will change nothing.
shoot all girls with colored head... they are ugly !
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I agree Bohdi, the MA is for the user to do as he pleases.
I'm just saying insulting another player on this board isn't going to get any possitive results for you.
I think from Fariz piont of view, he runs alot of missions by request. He takes them serious as a lot of pressure is there to take bases. Everyone expects results from his missions.
Perhaps his human nature allows frustration to show through when non-mission players involve themselves unknowingly.
That certainly doesn't make him the nouns you call him:)
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Fariz may have felt he had a very good reason to take the cv but the consequences that arise from taking control from another player (other than one who is deliberately trying to get the cv sunk) are usually not worth the strategic gain, imho. Look what Fariz accomplished: he imposed his will (right or wrong) on not just one, but a group of players. These may have been players who needed an education in how to properly position a cv but Fariz went about it all wrong. Instead of learning proper tactics, these players learned(from their perspectives) that Fariz is an arrogant bellybutton and they learned nothing more. Had Fariz let things be, and the carrier subsequently sunk, Fariz could have driven his point home without stomping on anyone. Even saying nothing would have been effective as the cv noobs would have been quite aware that they brought the cv in harm's way and paid the price...probably a lesson learned. Instead they got bullied by a guy who pays no more than they do to enjoy a game. Many vets rail against all the noobs and AW'ers. The population will diminish through attrition should no new blood enter the game. If Fariz has his way, this will be assured. Thankfully, last I knew, Fariz wasn't a rook..my run ins with him have been far from pleasant. Some of you admirably defended your friend Fariz as being a nice guy. If he is, I haven't seen any of it.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Sax...
And as for any others that think Fariz is a "wonder General" look at how he acts, he is an arrogant, pompous ass... do you really want to be a part of that? I think not, I will fly for fun, not strat, not war wins, but for fun, and guess what, far more of us are here for that more than anything else........
Yeah just come Knights we have manners...
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Normally, I would say that Fariz is a big sissy, but for this act of spite, he deserves a . Bravo Fariz! :D
SOB
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Originally posted by Pepe
Naaaa....you should come to Rooks. We never have CV to fight over... :D
Cheers,
HEHE :D :D :D Good one
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Originally posted by sax
I agree Bohdi, the MA is for the user to do as he pleases.
And thats exactly what Fariz did... Like it or not. And if you do not like it... well fly better get higher rank and do as you please.
Originally posted by Steve
Some of you admirably defended your friend Fariz as being a nice guy. If he is, I haven't seen any of it.
Hmm, how long did you say you fly Aces High again? From September 2002? Hmm... Well that probably makes you know Fariz very well... :rolleyes:
Really, although I really HATE his Typhie missions (and all other TYPHIE missions Bishops are regularly throwing in not only commanded by Fariz)... Fariz always was someone I respected and loved to fly with in times when I was still flying for Bishland and now, after I have seen the truth and am flying for "other" counties... Fariz still is one of my most highly respected enemies out there! Although I usually die when I encounter him... :D
Originally posted by Bodhi
... So ya know what, that little arrogant man, behind the monitor in some crappy third world country, ...
I really don't like this tone... Actually it seems like you think that you can say that freely since you are a big arrogant american? Oh well...
But it seems like Bodhi must be an exception because I have quite a lot of friends in USA and they are all cool... Hmm... Must be the ego thing again...
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This reminds me of my son and daughter never agreeing on who gets to play with what. I guess the biggest difference is that their vocabulary isn't as extensive as these adults.
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Wotan, it is nothing but plain and simple being an arse that Fariz exhibited when he took the CV.... as I said before... the CV was in no danger, and people were having fun, thats the IDEA HERE... we were having fun, and Fariz acted like an A S S H O L E, and ruined it because he felt he knew better, he did not use the cv for a more valiant purpose, he just did it so we would do what HE wanted... thats the whole reason for this post.
The cv isnt safe at 45 while the nme owns 28. If folks see the cv over at 45 a few smart guy head to 32 and take it. Then some suicide dive bombing buff takes the cv from you.
At 45 it is not into a position to defend its port or home island. You seem to forget about cv54. 90% its head south on the west edge of the map toward p32. By the time you get 45 p32 can be captured.
From a tactical stand point Fariz is 100% right. As for gameplay theres nothing stopping anyone else from lowering their rank and taking the cv from him. Slip AG a few dollars he will put his rank up for rent :) Maybe Brady and lazer as well :)
I find it hard to believe that sending the cv 50 miles out of position to capture an undefended base , that is as easily taken from 24 anyway, was the only way to have fun. Every minute/mile east you send the cv east then CV54 moves south.
I dont fly cv planes and could careless if they were removed from the game but the way ht designed it rank gives you cv command ability.
You claim fariz just wanted to ruin your fun. Its just as likely that he sees the samething I would see. If you take take the cv east you expose your main island to invasion. Which is unnecessary given the other various points of attack.
From 24 you can get 45 and 48 then move to 28 then send you cv north toward the nme main island or 47.
Sailing the cv into the gap near 45 puts you in close range of 3 nme airfields. Theres also a vbase.
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"my preciouusssssssss" :eek:
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Actually I didn't say how long I've been around but it goes farther back than September. I didn't say I knew Fariz at all. I didn't say Fariz wasn't a nice guy or any of the other superlatives you and anyone else would like to use to describe him. Let me repeat it for you: if Fariz is a nice guy, I haven't seen it...that's it. Get it?
He could be the most considerate, generous person in the arena for all I know..but when I've been on he's been rude.. anything but friendly and polite. The fact that you and maybe even a million or so other people like Fariz doesn't change that the discourse I've had with him, and what I've witnessed others have had with him, are far from pleasant. No need to defend him, I recognize and respect your right to have an opinion, and stated that it is admirable to defend ones friends. Please respect that I too have a right to an opinion, even if it differs from yours.
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Originally posted by Wotan
As for gameplay theres nothing stopping anyone else from lowering their rank and taking the cv from him.
Nothing BUT the lack of time in the MA.
Show me how a player who can only commit 10-20 hours a month in AH who's rank is high enough to take over a CV group during prime time. How many are there?
When the time factor is somehow removed from or adjusted in it's effects on rank then you may have a point.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
"my preciouusssssssss" :eek:
Bodhi: feistey little thief... he stole my preciousss.. and WE WANTS IT BACK
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Originally posted by Saintaw
"my preciouusssssssss"
LOL! :D
very well said!
Originally posted by Steve
Actually I didn't say how long I've been around but it goes farther back than September. I didn't say I knew Fariz at all. I didn't say Fariz wasn't a nice guy or any of the other superlatives you and anyone else would like to use to describe him. Let me repeat it for you: if Fariz is a nice guy, I haven't seen it...that's it. Get it?
I get it. And of course I'm the last person to deny you your right for your opinion. It just feels a bit odd to me when I see Fariz being described to be rude and stuff like that... <S>
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First to situation. I logged to see that c31 is about to get on position to attack one of the nits north bases. From the strat point of view it was not worthy, because west country can't reset north. Also, having only one contact field like a24 on this map is a big benefit, if you can defend it all right. For this task 31 is an ideal, if stationed at 24 it shields field good for a reasonably long time. It keeps most players of north country away, and put the east one under automatic gangbang. It is not a new tactics, it is a proven one, which worked many times before, and worked again this time. If you will log now to MA, you will see rooks being resetted at the moment.
Lets go further. After I got fleet I got the following messages from bodhi, "Stop being a dickhead, give us fleet back". I have a respect to other players in AH, and always ready to discuss any possible issue, but person who want to discuss something need to be able to do so. In a following few minutes I got several insultes from bodhi and mrwulf. It did not stopped after they switched, I was accused in lying and it was name callings. All this time I simply ignored this communication not to turn it into a flame war.
Now, back to my decision, and how justified it was. The strat reason why it was taken I explained already. I consider fleet a weapon, which, as any weapon, shall be used at the right time, and in a right role. I did not took fleet from action and hide it, I kept it in 24 defence where it was used intensively by bishops next few hours, when field was under a strong attack by nits.
Same time it was not any lack of fleet and field actions all other the map, we had a strong attack against rooks then, with lot of action, so it was tons of fun around the map, not only over 45.
Well, my position in this issue is quite simple, if I have a rank to move fleet, see the possible correct use of fleet, I will take command and use it the way, I consider is correct. Same time it is normal situation when I give fleet back when someone contact me and give some reason why it shall be given away, even if it is against my understanding of strat. It haven't happen in this case because communication was offensive from the very start, which left me with no much choise. When it is possible I try to put it all to more mature level, but as you can see by the comments and namecallings which still exist at this forum, it was not possible in this case.
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Fariz is good guy, sure he didn't ruin your fun on purpose. Some people play this game like it means everything (fariz), and some just log on the have fun (Bodhi) and no matter how much you squeak about it it's always going to be that way.
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Bodhi you must have switched sides shortly after cause I killed you A2A right after Fariz told me not to move the fleet. Well I outrank him so come on back and next time just hunt me up. I like to use the boats to attack stuff.
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"After I got fleet I got the following messages from bodhi, "Stop being a dickhead, give us fleet back". I have a respect to other players in AH, and always ready to discuss any possible issue, but person who want to discuss something need to be able to do so. In a following few minutes I got several insultes from bodhi and mrwulf." posted by Fariz
I NEVER called you a name when you took the fleet. The only time I said anything after asking you to please return the fleet, was when you refused to return the fleet and told us to "Stop wasting our time" I will have you know, my time is my own to waste... I pay my $14.95 just like everyone else. The problem here exists with you removing a CV involved in an assault in which multiple people were also enjoying, and when asked nicely to return command you promptly replied, "I am tired of having to tell you people to stop wasting time in the North."
Well guess what, thats a bs answer Fariz, and it was arrogant and pompous, and the reason why numerous people in here can not stand your type. Now I asked nicely, did not call you a name on the air, not until here did I say anything derogatory. So fess up, and stop trying to make it sound as if you did nothing, when it is YOUR actions that caused this incident, and not mine.
And as for saying Wulf was rude, that man was more than nice and yet you still were an arrogant pompous ass. Thats the issue here, your inability to behave like a decent human being, that and our inability to enjoy an afternoon objective without someone being a little emperor.
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I still remember my first encounter with him. It was almost exactly as you described. And for a while I was thinking exactly like you are.
However, now that I know better, it's clear to me that he was right about it. Fariz is one of the few players who is able to get things done, and deserves his rank.
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If you will log now to MA, you will see rooks being resetted at the moment
By the nits...
c31 is about to get on position to attack one of the nits north bases. From the strat point of view it was not worthy
Well guess what.. we just NDisles by one base and we didn't hold A28! Every enemy base, at any time, is worthy.
Fariz, I didn't stick around for long but I did hear on open coms a couple of guys ask politely why the fleet had been taken by someone who had no intention of using it. Please post the film and I'll believe they called you a 'dickhead', not before.
24 didn't need it. It takes more than 1/2 an hour to get to 24 and It's useless for that time. If the nits didn't take it within 1/2 an hour whats the point? Amazingly enough your not the only person that looks at the overall situation. Your just the most vocal, which can be GD annoying. You stick your head out be prepared to have it cut off.
It is not a new tactics, it is a proven one
In you opinion. I bloody hate it when toejam like this gets presented as 'fact' rather than just what some bloke in front of his computer thinks. 'We never reset the north blah blah blah' Who cares, well you obviously. 28 was there, the assets were in place to take it. A bunch of people wanted to take it. You have no right to be telling anyone what they should be doing. So what if it gets attacked then. Thats the whole point you plonker. Its FUN.
When it is possible I try to put it all to more mature level
And succeed only in annoying a lot of people. Time to consider changing. Size 10 boots for size 9 feet.
Gatso
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Well Bodhi, I see your point of view. And you have a right to be upset, you were having fun and had the rug pulled out from underneath you. But the CV's are set up to be taken command by the highest ranking player, and there is not much that can be done about that.It sux, but what can ya do? I suggest not to start an attack from a CV. They can't take an airfield away from ya:)
Don't forget, that high ranking player pays $14.95 a month too, and he might be playing to win the game. As far as switching sides and sinking the CV, well, that can't be stopped either. But I wouldn't suggest it. What I might do is call HTC and voice your opinion. I like that idea of voting a new captain of CV, great idea.Or do away with someone taking over a CV from another player who already has command. Don't get mad at fariz, HTC makes the rules, aim a good thread at them.
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There is one point not yet mentioned.
Task Groups are a team asset. They belong to everyone, to the extent that its use or misuse can effect everyone.
With that in mind, understand that a TG is not a personal plaything like your airplane. Getting yourself shot down has no major effect on team play. Getting the CV sunk, or having it at a location that greatly limits its value, does effect team play.
On the other hand, new players will never learn how to manage at TG unless they get a chance to command one. They will make mistakes. Some simply don't care if it get sunk, as long as they have their fun. Most players do care, knowing that their fun will end if the CV gets sunk.
Finally, your $15 does not buy the right to command a TG. It does allow you to do whatever you wish with the plane of your choice. Rank determines who commands.
So, there are two things you can do. Learn how to best employ the TG, then earn the rank to command it. Like it or not, that's how this game is structured.
My regards,
Widewing
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Personally I dont care what your rank is. And seriously folks, what does rank really say about a player? Not a damn thing.
What Fariz did was wrong. Take any other situation where one player ruins the game for 15 other players and ponder the normal reactions. We all know how much Laz and Wotan appreciates the Lanc drivers who kill off all FH's that are feeding a furball. We all know how much mission planners appreciate the guy who takes out all fuel, ammo and barracks when the field is down and waiting for capture. We all know how much we like mister newbie who decided to occupy the Shore battery and refuses to leave when the enemy fleet arrives.
Rank is irrelevant if you behave like an amazinhunk. And your $15 does not buy you the right to ruin the game for other players.
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Originally posted by Lazer1
Fariz is good gay
naaaa you arent that bad lazer , you are quite good at it as well
:D :D :D
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well guys stop this freaking discusion about your 15$ or i gonna laugh whole day.....
your social feeling is way pathetic, you should vote for some comunists next voting, if you wanna proper social system like ... fleet for all and stuff like that ... lol
:p
whats rank about?.. quite easy Steve.... it giving an oportunity to have power for people whom need it...
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I know what rank is Orel. What bothers me is how some people get rank.
I mean, we have all seen some "pilots" empty their guns into their own hangars no? I wonder why...hmmm.
:)
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Fariz, go plan a big suicide mission (very good strat that is!!) and leave the CV to plp that want to play with it. After all, we all pay $15 for the game.
;)
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Originally posted by gatso
[BFariz, I didn't stick around for long but I did hear on open coms a couple of guys ask politely why the fleet had been taken by someone who had no intention of using it. Please post the film and I'll believe they called you a 'dickhead', not before.
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I have no film unfortunatly. I am not filming it unless it comes to a serious abuse, and this one was somewhere between mid intensite and high intensity whine. Though, if you have time, please reread this forum and think again. I will help it, this is from bodni posts on this forum.
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FEK YOU Fariz...
Fariz acted like an A S S H O L E
he is an arrogant, pompous ass...
yet you still were an arrogant pompous ass.
So ya know what, that little arrogant man, behind the monitor in some crappy third world country
yet you still were an arrogant pompous ass.
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You still need a film? You still believe the following?
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We tried, so very nicely and politely to be nice about it, and were promptly told to go fly for another country if we did not like it
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Both statement here are not true. I never saw them asking nicely, and never said them to switch to other country. It was many people online when it happened, I hope someone will come in and said the way it was.
Quite funny that I got fleet I was privated by someone "scorp" and guy said me thank for getting fleet from bodhi. He told me that bodhi got fleet from him, when he wanted to resupply the 24, and moved to 45 :) I was not online when it happened, so if you want to know it is true or not contact that guy. His nick starts with "scop" then has 4 numbers after it which I did not remembered.
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Back to the original post...
What really gets me while writing this post is the plain arrogance of some people. I understand that fooling aroung and playing games is one thing, but flat out arrogance is another. Fighter Pilots should be brash, and to some points even egotistical, it was necessary for their survival. Know you are the best, and there is that much more wind behind your sails.
Just a guess, but i think the ego/arrogance of a fighter pilot has a lot more to do with facing death every time you fly high performance aircraft in the military. Any ego/arrogance you find in this game is just people with mental problems.
Gorski
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fariz,
There is no doubt in my mind that you are a pompous ass, not for your actions in taking away a cv when others wanted to use it and you didn't, but for thinking you know better than anyone else.
And what is this rank thing that has been discussed ? how does that work ?
wipass
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Originally posted by wipass
And what is this rank thing that has been discussed ? how does that work ?
There are several ways to game the game to get better rank than you should have.
Just as an example, try to see if anyone has any field captures in attack mode, then ask yourself how that would be possible.
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I can think of yet another incident some months ago, in which Fariz took the CV away, without announcement and without consultation. I don't remember which map it was, but the Bish CV was just north of a knit base. We were attacking that base when suddenly we found the CV drifting away north. I checked to see who was in command, and it was Fariz. I asked if we could have it back, and he said No - without giving a reason. When I pressed him for a reason, he pointed out that capture of that base would put Bish between a knit field to the east, and a rook field to the west. He wanted to leave the status quo so that rook and knit could fight eachother between the rook base, and the knit base which we had been trying to capture. That way we could attack bases in the north, leaving rook/knit fighting a war on two fronts. Good strategy, and I could understand entirely his reasoning.
But you know what, Fariz? The guys are right. It IS a game, others are paying their $14.95 - the least you can do if taking the CV is to announce it first, and give reasons.
We're walking a fine line here. In a true military scenario, a general or other head honcho is giving the orders and we must carry them out. I actually prefer being of service in a campaign rather than just furballing for my own selfish reasons. Makes doo-doo of my score sometimes, but that's not why I'm here. BUT...
...there are guys who just want "fun" - plink-plink-plink, oooh look, Daddy, that nasty LA7 is going down in flames. These guys like to cite that they're paying $14.95/month...
The two scenarios are diametrically opposed to eachother, and that's why we have problems of this sort.
Fariz - you are an excellent strategist and tactician, but perhaps you might want to soft-pedal on the CV captaincy. If you ARE going to move it, please announce it and give your reasons.
The other CV mismanagement that pisses me off is guys who keep turning the damn thing just as I'm about to land or take off. The other day, some guy kept turning the CV just before I reached rotate speed, making take off with 2000lbs of bombs quite impossible. I crashed 6 times!
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Originally posted by beet1e
These guys like to cite that they're paying $14.95/month...
$14.95 a month gives you no rights other than to play the game.
It doesn't give you the right to play the game any way you please. Just because you pay $14.95 a month, doesn't mean the game should be changed to suit your needs, or that others can't do things that you don't like.
There are other reasons for changing parts of the game, for fairness, fun, etc. But your $14.95 means absolutly nothing.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I can think of yet another incident some months ago, in which Fariz took the CV away, without announcement and without consultation.
This point I agree with. I often use to say "sorry , I am getting cv", or often asked person who control cv to do something instead of getting control of it, even when I have rank. I do not do it always though, sometime because I am tired, or very busy somewhere else. But yet I agree with this one, when you get fleet from someone it shall be annonced.
Actually, for all my time in MA it was not a single time I remember when someone got cv from me, and annonced it, so this rule shall apply to everyone, not only to me.
Fariz
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"Actually, for all my time in MA it was not a single time I remember when someone got cv from me, and annonced it, so this rule shall apply to everyone, not only to me. "
Fariz
Well Im glad to see it happens to the others.
The other night the Rook cv was south of a8 and the numbers were about even but the Bish were upping many against the cv. Players were periodically turning the cv but the result was hindering flying operations. As a response I announced that I'd take control of the CV and set a straight course.
At several stages I offered the command to people flying off the cv but there were no takers. Anyway I turned the CV east as P21 was threatened and the Bish were upping in larger numbers against the cv. Rthus was trying to kill the ordanance at a8 but I felt that it was safer to move it away (still with in a grid of a8).
Then, having read WideWings disertations of control of TG's I got up in an SBD and set up a pattern over the cv so as to get the overall picture. Then when i was comfortable I looked down to see the CV turned and steaming west.
When I asked who had taken command the person responsible was to gutless to reply. I was extremely p*ssed. But i didn't swear or curse, except at my computer. So I logged.
I was outranked. But at least the person who took it should have had the decency to tell me he was taking it away.
"pass the cheese please":D
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Eureka!!
I've find the solution...
just ask HTC to give us bigger maps, so we can switch to another fight when someone ruins our planes; more, we need maps where CVs have no great strategical importance..
in other words .... give us "pizza map" forever :D :p :D
You deserve it you whiners :p
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Next time, just find someone higher ranked and convince them to take over CV.
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Taking a cv from one person is one thing that surely can be discussed.
Insulting someone like u did Bodhi is only embarrassing and shows the lag of maturity.
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now now kids, let's be nice to each other :D
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t doesn't give you the right to play the game any way you please
That statement is so wrong, I wouldn't know where to start, but YES, YOU CAN PLAY ANY WAY YOU WANT.
This game allows you alot of options, so you can play however you want. What you have to consider is if the effect of your actions will have a negative impact on the plans/actions of others.
Fariz is acting incredibly arrogant when he jumps in and decides his strategy is the only correct one. He acts like a jerk when he ruins the fun of others, he just might not understand what they are doing or why.
This game is not about strategy to everyone. It is more about having fun to some, the chance to cause havoc maybe, the chance to enjoy a selected fight, etc.
In the future, if someone acts in such an arrogant manner, taking the CV away from a fun fight, I will do whats necessary to effect that persons plans. I have experienced too many jerks ruining a fun fight.
Personnaly, I think HTC should consider the idea about a group vote to remove a CV commander. 10 votes, you lose it for an hour.
Dago
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Originally posted by Duedel
Taking a cv from one person is one thing that surely can be discussed.
Insulting someone like u did Bodhi is only embarrassing and shows the lag of maturity.
Clearly, there are better ways to deal with people than simply taking their CV without adequate explanation.
I would rather see the more experienced players oversee the TG, but not interfere with anything beyond advice, unless an emergency should arise where instant action is required, such as a low formation of bombers closing in and the TG commander does not respond to warnings that a hard turn is required because he is busy or lost vox, or for whatever reason, does not get the message. Simply grabbing the TG because you feel it can be better used is insufficient reason. If it's not being unduly endangered, or immediately threatened and/or at imminent risk, let them use it as they wish. Offer advice, teach them how to manage the TG, but just don't take it without adequate explanation. Start a dialog with them on the private channel. Talk, explain, help them, but don't berate them or treat them like they're idiots. They may not understand the strat considerations. Sure, they may not care if they lose the CV. In that case, exercise your rank. But, give them the courtesy of a discussion before you do anything. Oh yeah, don't be afraid to allow people to learn from their mistakes. This IS a game after all, no one really dies.
The goal is to get everyone experienced at managing the TGs. This way, there will be no need to hover over them, or take it away.
Just remember this, as the TG commander you have some responsibility to your fellow countrymen. Do not waste their asset selfishly. You can ruin other people's fun by being reckless with the CV just as you can ruin it by taking the CV away from someone or a group. This sword cuts both ways.
Finally, no one has the market cornered on brains. There are times when even the best strategic and tactical thinkers will be thwarted by circumstances or just plain bad luck. I've said it before, TGs are teams assets. They belong to the team. Remember that when you consider taking a CV from someone else. You may have valid Strat reasons for this, but consider the negative effect it will have on other teammates as well. There's nothing more annoying than being arbitrary. It's bad form to abuse one's rank, and it's easy to get so wrapped up in circumstances that one can lose their perspective. It's happened to me several times. It's a game and when you get frustrated, repeat that over and over till it sinks in.
All the strategic and tactical wisdom in the world gains you nothing without demonstrating respect and consideration for your teammates. Cooperation requires mutual respect and consideration. It also says a lot about you as a person.
My regards,
Widewing
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lol.. rank doesn't mean fariz can get anything done. I could be ranked 300000000,000,0000000000000,928 and still fly the pants off of him.
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I enjoy working with Fariz, and have found the missions he sets up, strategy shown etc to be acceptable. Recently there have been some real dweeb usage of CVs, but unless there's a concerted effort to use the thing in the first place it will go to waste anyway.
If someone seriously has 10 people working together using the CV as a base, personally I wouldn't take command of it even if I was certain it was going down the tubes. If 10 guys are doing ANYTHING in unison - hey - more power to you.
But regarding the crack about "sitting in some third world country blah blah...." Stuff it. I have a good life and am very fortunate, but the fact that I have a few luxuries doesn't make me better than anyone else. We all come into this world and leave this world the same way.....
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This thread strongly supports a statement that I made in a thread about arena numbers in the Gameplay forum a little while back. That is:
"The strategy for successfully resetting the map in AH is not necessarily the same strategy for ensuring plentiful and balanced air combat."
And so yet again we have the emphasis in AH on "winning" the war conflicting with the desire for "furballing" and relatively balanced air combat. Winning requires overwhelming force, attacking undefended or lightly defended bases, and thinking "strategically" in the choice of bases to capture; success comes from avoiding large quagmire-inducing furballs over strategically unimportant bases (how many times have people complained about the furballing going on at the central island on the NDIsles map?).
Furballing on the other hand, to the detriment of winning the war, thrives on large, evenly balanced encounters over bases that may or may not possess strategic importance. Every participant in a furball reduces the numbers available to attack the poorly-defended and strategically important bases elsewhere, reducing the chances of lightning quick base capture and prolonging the time until a reset.
It makes me wonder sometimes which game AH would like to be. Strategy is well and good, but what is the point of an air combat simulator that by design discourages air combat?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Im so glad I'm in an squad with my buds.
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who the fak cares rude ? ..... you should read this post and make some of your famous thead.... whinne of the week :D
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Originally posted by Fariz
This point I agree with. I often use to say "sorry , I am getting cv", or often asked person who control cv to do something instead of getting control of it, even when I have rank. I do not do it always though, sometime because I am tired,
or very busy somewhere else.
- SNIP-
Fariz
IMO, if you are not AT the fleet, actively engaged in it's
defense or offense, then you should NOT be in command
of the fleet...period!
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I mean, we have all seen some "pilots" empty their guns into their own hangars no? I wonder why...hmmm.
:)
coool have to try that ..... ohh man we are flying in same squad for a 6 months and you still have some secrets :D :D :D
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Been reading all these post and I have to say some people have hit an all time low:(
ITS JUST A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Lazer1
lol.. rank doesn't mean fariz can get anything done. I could be ranked 300000000,000,0000000000000,928 and still fly the pants off of him.
Some day you might :D
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Originally posted by Fariz
I will help it, this is from bodni posts on this forum.
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FEK YOU Fariz...
Fariz acted like an A S S H O L E
he is an arrogant, pompous ass...
yet you still were an arrogant pompous ass.
So ya know what, that little arrogant man, behind the monitor in some crappy third world country
yet you still were an arrogant pompous ass.
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Quite funny that I got fleet I was privated by someone "scorp" and guy said me thank for getting fleet from bodhi. He told me that bodhi got fleet from him, when he wanted to resupply the 24, and moved to 45 :) I was not online when it happened, so if you want to know it is true or not contact that guy. His nick starts with "scop" then has 4 numbers after it which I did not remembered.
Fariz - I dont particularly have a problem with you - alot of people I know do, however. By the same token, I know a good number of people that think very highly of you. Your tactical and strategic abilities are beyond question - but I am well aware of the attitude that Bodhi is upset by.
Its not about the CV, its not about the endless $14.95 a month posts, and its not even about "fun." Its about the title of the thread - arrogance. I could name quite a few people on the BBS and in the game (since some BBS members that post here 10 times a day in an attempt to cause trouble dont even play the game... interesting fact, no?) that display this charectaristic. When another player has an "Im better than you, so diddly off" attitude, it tends to piss people off.
In addition - lets not take the above quoted material posted by Bodhi out of context. All your are showing here is that he is angry - because of YOUR actions.
Further - claiming that phantom flyers are private messaging you and thanking your for saving them from the endless dweebery of Bodhi is just poor form - I could just as easily state that Shane (sorry bud, hehe) sent me a private message which read "I want to make love to Fariz."
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so for those, who didnt get it....
AH is a game... you pay 15USD per it....
SO read rules, accept them and join us
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I could just as easily state that Shane (sorry bud, hehe) sent me a private message which read "I want to make love to Fariz."
wrong species... i do sheep, not lemmings.
:)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
There are several ways to game the game to get better rank than you should have.
Just as an example, try to see if anyone has any field captures in attack mode, then ask yourself how that would be possible.
This was fixed a long time ago Hortlund. You can sort through the ranks now and see that no one has captures in attack mode.
As you mentioned in a previous reply to this thread, you can shoot your own hangar, but those rounds do not do any damage. So, though they improve one category (temporarily), in the end you will have at least two categories that suffer.
Feel free to 'game-the-game' and you will find that there are those that still outperform you.
I doubt that Fariz has resorted to any of the tricks you suggest.
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Here's another idea for fixing the CV Command (denial) issue.
Restrict the commander to a 2 grid range of operations (the grid where the CV is presently positioned plus one additional grid. If they fly beyond that area they automatically lose command. As long as they stay within that area they can retain control over the CV.
After all, they have chosen to take control of this important asset - they should at least be required to stay near it and manage its operations - not fly off and go hunting. They wanted command, they should also be flying cap over their own fleet!
Not only would this minimize this form of abuse but it would also increase the CV's survivability because the commander would be aware of incoming threats and could manuever to fleet to avoid destruction and otherwise directly intervene to repel the threat.
Many times I've seen a fleet under someone's command steering straight into an oncoming bomber wave. Sometimes you have to resort to sending desperate calls of "move the fleet" to wake up the absentee commander. This idea would make such calls unnecessary.
Also, what penalty in either ranking or points is associated with losing a fleet to enemy action? None that I know of. Should there be? If there was the mindless wasting of fleets by either suicidal commanders or the occasional spy could be reduced.
Hows' all this sound?
- David
"StracCop"
113th Lucky Strikes
(Knight Squadron)
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Originally posted by Lazer1
lol.. rank doesn't mean fariz can get anything done. I could be ranked 300000000,000,0000000000000,928 and still fly the pants off of him.
LOL :D
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There's an easy solution to this whole problem. RL TG commanders don't fly cap or attack or man PT boats or even ship guns. Command should be up for grabs as soon as the existing commander ups in a plane, boat, gun, or anything else. You want command? Sit there and command. Pulling rank to take command should make you unable to up in anything else for 20 or 30 minutes. This will keep the LBPB's out of the way for a bit as well.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Exactly what I did last week :D
I've done the same before as well.
Bet you didn't get an email to your squad C.O. whining about loyalty, honor and other whackjob notions.
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Shane:
wrong species... i do sheep, not lemmings.
AKAK wanted me to give you a message:
BAAAAAAAHHH BAHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The situation is as simple as this: we, about 10 guys were moving CV 31 to field 45 for a field capture, this had been going on for the better part of a 1/2 hour. The people involved were having fun, the reason I, and am sure most of you play the friggin game!!! Well, then Fariz shows up, takes the CV away from us, and says HE is tired of having to lecture us about how we should play the game. Well, you know Fariz, we all pay the same. The CV was not in ANY danger, and you just arrogantly ruined the fun for 10 others even after you were nicely asked to turn the CV N again. I am sorry, but that is just plain arrongance, and has no place here.
I am truly disappointed that people have to be like this....
Wow I have seen this very thing happen. A group of 1st graders playing in the sand box having a great time bothering no one. The 5th grade bully shows up says they are not using the shovels correctly and takes them away kicks sand in thier face and tells them theres gonna be trouble if he has to come back over and show them the right way to play again.
I think that boot cv commander thing is a great idea just cause someone has a high rank should not give them the right to dictate to others how they should play the game. It would also help with the nananana We got your cv and we gonna hide it nananana.
Get a grip show some respect for the other guy who spens his 15 duckets a month just like you do. Damn it aint like the cv aint gonna respawn in 15 mins after its sunk anyways.
Of coarse I wasent there and dont have both sides of the story but you get the idea. I am sure both sides are a little to blame.
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For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction. Get great rank & you can control any TG anytime. Abuse that rank & piss people off. Piss people off & become less popular. Maybe popularity isnt everything, but its been a long time since I was on a Fariz mission. I was looking forward to him following through on his announcment to leave Bish for rooks. Personaly Ill trade AKs for Fariz & his followers any day of the week.
Yes he does bring alot of knowledge & tactical intelligence to the game, but that should not give him the right to take a TG from 10 others using it. By the way its obvious from the responses he pissed off more than a few... If yer that much of an Ace, round up yer sheep, set course to another port & get yer own dam CV.
Anton
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Fariz, I apologise for using a few uncouth remarks in regards to you after your actions and behavior ticked me off last night. It is not an excuse, nor should I have called you names.
The only thing I point out to is this, I never once during the radio discussion used a derogatory comment towards you. The only derogatory comments I used were here after I was ticked over your comment about having to lecture us over CV usage.
As far as I am concerned, the actions of yesterday by yourself were uncalled for. It is obvious quite a few people in here feel the same way I do in regards to that, but guess what, a few feel you were right too. So, other than being decent to one another in the future, there is not a damn thing we can do...
So... if I need to be pissed about actions like last night, I have a few choices,
whine here, and hope people change (doubtful)
go play somewhere else
or go fly Combat Flight Simulator 3
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Originally posted by Fariz
Well, my position in this issue is quite simple, if I have a rank to move fleet, see the possible correct use of fleet, I will take command and use it the way, I consider is correct. Same time it is normal situation when I give fleet back when someone contact me and give some reason why it shall be given away, even if it is against my understanding of strat. It haven't happen in this case because communication was offensive from the very start, which left me with no much choise. When it is possible I try to put it all to more mature level, but as you can see by the comments and namecallings which still exist at this forum, it was not possible in this case.
It would be nice to ask rather than throw your weight around simply because you can.
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Originally posted by Oedipus
It's better than no contols at all which is what AH has now. And in the RL the penalty for simply grounding a CV is pretty severe on the captain.
Oed
Which is one of the things that is really screwy about the modern US navy.
Hell... Even Halsey ran a ship aground and he still got his stars.
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Rank? I didn't know AH had Ranks. Guess I'm Enlisted rank E-0.001, PVT less than first class head toliet swap..
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10 vote comander eject good idea:D rooks would benifit by this.to many little generals.
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E-I owe ya one?
:D
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Originally posted by Dago
What you have to consider is if the effect of your actions will have a negative impact on the plans/actions of others.
I make a mission which make many rooks and nits unhappy. Shall I stop making them for this reason?
I pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
When I deny enemy of a chance to kill me, and leave him unhappy, is it wrong? SHall I fly straight to make him happy to kill me?
As you can see, your point is not absolute. Back to this thread discussion:
Please go back and read my posts again. Game made the way that person who has bigger rank has a control of a fleet. Same time you can easily talk with this player. That is what I do when someone with bigger rank get a fleet from me, adding a "pls.", explaining my position if needed, and guess what, it works often. When it is not, I find some other ways which work. Dago, will you be happy to discuss anything with a person who start a dialog with calling you a dickhead?
Anyway, nothing much to discuss here. Though some interesting suggestions, it is more a "throw a stone" fest. If you want situation to change adress HTC with some suggestion, or learn to talk with other people, beside that situation will stay the way it is now.
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you justify you actions with "cause i can".
translation into american . "diddly you i have a mental problem"
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Originally posted by Lazer1
lol.. rank doesn't mean fariz can get anything done. I could be ranked 300000000,000,0000000000000,928 and still fly the pants off of him.
LOL we know ewe mean "charm the pants off him"
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sooo... all is not cooperation and good will amungst the "missun" boyz?
lazs
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Dude, you spelled "boys" wrong.
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Fariz takes AH seriously, and by doing so adds a lot of positive things to the side he is on, - bishops more or less.
I have not yet seen him making any particular tactical/strategical mistakes and neither bullying people around with the score related supremacy of CV controlling.
So think again, or just stuff it up yer khyber!!
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Originally posted by Angus
Fariz takes AH seriously
That's his first mistake.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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What did I just read? and why?
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Bodhi,
In order of importance, what are all of the factors that one should consider when choosing what to do with the CV?
eskimo
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
This thread strongly supports a statement that I made in a thread about arena numbers in the Gameplay forum a little while back. That is:
"The strategy for successfully resetting the map in AH is not necessarily the same strategy for ensuring plentiful and balanced air combat."
And so yet again we have the emphasis in AH on "winning" the war conflicting with the desire for "furballing" and relatively balanced air combat. Winning requires overwhelming force, attacking undefended or lightly defended bases, and thinking "strategically" in the choice of bases to capture; success comes from avoiding large quagmire-inducing furballs over strategically unimportant bases (how many times have people complained about the furballing going on at the central island on the NDIsles map?).
Furballing on the other hand, to the detriment of winning the war, thrives on large, evenly balanced encounters over bases that may or may not possess strategic importance. Every participant in a furball reduces the numbers available to attack the poorly-defended and strategically important bases elsewhere, reducing the chances of lightning quick base capture and prolonging the time until a reset.
It makes me wonder sometimes which game AH would like to be. Strategy is well and good, but what is the point of an air combat simulator that by design discourages air combat?
-- Todd/Leviathn
DMF hits it right on the head... I have been ranting about this all along.
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Originally posted by Gypsy Baron
IMO, if you are not AT the fleet, actively engaged in it's
defense or offense, then you should NOT be in command
of the fleet...period!
Originally posted by Arfann
There's an easy solution to this whole problem. RL TG commanders don't fly cap or attack or man PT boats or even ship guns. Command should be up for grabs as soon as the existing commander ups in a plane, boat, gun, or anything else. You want command? Sit there and command. Pulling rank to take command should make you unable to up in anything else for 20 or 30 minutes. This will keep the LBPB's out of the way for a bit as well.
can we expand on these ideas a little bit? Can we make it so that for one to have control over the CV he has to up from the Task Group and he has control over it for 20 to 30mins? Of course ranks do have to come into play... just a thought.
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Originally posted by Fariz
I make a mission which make many rooks and nits unhappy. Shall I stop making them for this reason?
I pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
When I deny enemy of a chance to kill me, and leave him unhappy, is it wrong? SHall I fly straight to make him happy to kill me?
Fariz, I think you are mistaken about what Dago wanted to say. He is talking about your own countrymen, not the enemy.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
DMF hits it right on the head... I have been ranting about this all along.
He is right? Make it this way: 3 fields, 1 for each country, disbable capture, and let people furball there non stop 24/7. Disable MA. You know what will happen with HTC in 3 months? HT will sell his plane for sure :)
On the other end it is a Pizza map, which is a strat heaven with lot of possibilities for unopposed captures. How many people enjoys it?
By my understanding clear strat people are a strong minority in this game, as a clear furball or clear scores people. Many are somewhere between, with bit of this and bit of that. Average AH player enjoy winning, but if it comes too easy he soon became borred, and switch somewhere else.
So the answer for Todd question is easy in case of AH: ballance. It is a most important question of any game design, and AH is not an exception.
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Originally posted by Fariz
So the answer for Todd question is easy in case of AH: ballance. It is a most important question of any game design, and AH is not an exception.
LOL... Fariz, kindly re-read what I or DMF posted... did we say any other than what you say here? I don't understand what you are trying to piont out other than that we all three are in unison.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
Fariz, I think you are mistaken about what Dago wanted to say. He is talking about your own countrymen, not the enemy.
Dutch, check item 2.
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Originally posted by Fariz
Dutch, check item 2.
oops edit... checked the wrong post... brb
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
you mean the strat part?
I mean this.
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pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
LOL... Fariz, kindly re-read what I or DMF posted... did we say any other than what you say here? I don't understand what you are trying to piont out other than that we all three are in unison.
May be a language problem. I think Todd means that AH MA is more a flying sim than a strat wargame. May be I understand it wrong, I hope he will clarify it.
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Originally posted by Fariz
I mean this.
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pork fuel at enemy bases or kill fh's, which deny many friendlies of a happy low furball. Shall I stop porking fuel and kill fh's at enemy bases?
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ahhh ok, Fariz, with that I would just see a conflict of interest in the players in the same area. Sooo, would I ask for the FHs to be killed even if the base is capped and by killing the FHs it would kill my chance for vulching. In fact, yes, I would ask for the FH to be killed if my objective is capturing the base rather than vulching. I think you've seen this a countless times while you spent your time as Oesau in Rookland. People are asking for the FHs not to be killed so that they can vulch. Yes, it does kinda limit the dweebery of vulching and the fun that it comes with it... well, if the objective capturing a base, that should be the primary objective. Sooo, I agree with you a 100% on that one...
But... all I am saying here is that I wouldn't take control of a CV that is not in the area that I am fighting, on the token that if that happened to me, I wouldn't be happy either.
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Originally posted by FDutchmn
But... all I am saying here is that I wouldn't take control of a CV that is not in the area that I am fighting, on the token that if that happened to me, I wouldn't be happy either.
Ok, it is understandable in fact. I am not happy when someone get fleet from me also. But what you will do after it happens?
Lets say you get a field town down, putting cv in position for lvt, and someone with higher rank turns cv and drive it away. What is your actions?
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Originally posted by Fariz
I think Todd means that AH MA is more a flying sim than a strat wargame.
Actually, that is what he wants, NOT IS a flying sim but that is what he is seeking from the game.
Quite frankly, I feel the same way he does. Right now I feel that there is too much emphasis on strat, from my view point, even if bombers are kinda gone.
Once in a while, I do enjoy testing my ability to egg a building or fuel tank, capture bases, drive a panzer or ostwind for the fun of it. At other times, I would rather test my ability against a manned object, like enemy fighter or a gunned buff.
Lately, I think I am doing more of the former where I target AI objects rather than manned objects.
In the end, we all just asking for balance, but how this balance is met is just becomes a matter of taste on what each one of us wants in the arena.
I have stated what I "see" from my side, like in
Suffering from the BigPac Burnout Syndrome (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53399) ... which I'd like hear your comments on... although I think we have different way for seeing things...
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Originally posted by Fariz
Ok, it is understandable in fact. I am not happy when someone get fleet from me also. But what you will do after it happens?
Lets say you get a field town down, putting cv in position for lvt, and someone with higher rank turns cv and drive it away. What is your actions?
Fariz, this is a very hypothetical question and I honestly can't see this happening, especially if it is clear for the guys involved what the objective is.
Btw, I am not accusing you of anything, nor am I saying that anyone has any right to penalize you in anyway. Please don't get me wrong here.
This thread is an extension of what happened in the arena. True, there are more polite ways of handling things. The guy who started this thread... what's his name... had openly apologized to you for using your name in public. Let's leave that part as that.
In the end, whatever I say or anyone with an opinion here, it does not really matter, until the guys involved can work it out on their own when it happens in the arena. All this is just reference material... well, that's the way I would see things here.
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FD,
I appreciate you trying to find resolve in this issue, but unfortunately, it is not simply a matter of gameplay mechanics. The heart of what happened (in my eyes) is over an attitude of, "I know better and you are going to do it my way." That just does not cut it for me, nor did it cut it for those involved with the use of the CV.
All strat everything else aside, more people were having fun using a CV and attacking, and an individual was disappointed in his mission turn out, so he took the CV, to force us to stop attacking a base. Is that type of action right? Not in my eyes. Not in the eyes of those involved. This quickly blew out of porportion, I never used derogatory remarks against the individual involved in the MA, I did here, and that was wrong. Then, again my mistake, I used this board as a sounding to try and get this behavior modified so that others do not get continually slighted by those constantly having little General disease.
Either way it heads, we all have our own opinions. For myself, I would just like to see people use a bit of common courtesy in the future. Otherwise, this quickly degerates into a Quake atmosphere, and then it is time to move on...
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Originally posted by Bodhi
FD,
I never used derogatory remarks against the individual involved in the MA, I did here, and that was wrong.
That bodhi guy will be a politic one day. Acepting what can't be denied, and denying what can't be proved. :(
HT, Pyro, Skuzzy are AH chat logs are stored? Is it possible to check them around the time when this thread first started, and put the end to this issue? Please!
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It did not matter that we thought it was wrong, stupid, ridiculous and unfair. He was the sergeant and he had the stripes and the rank. So he said we WILL do it his way. And so we marched off to do the job whistling the theme from The Bridge on The River Kwai. We got over it. ;)
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Fariz,
Not going to happen, but then again, military types have been known to make it as presidents.
Possibly you may get lucky and I might get deployed to Azerbaijan, then I can show you what I do quite well... ;)
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Let me make something clear here, it wasnt Bodhi throwing insults, it was me. And I make no apologies for it either. From Fariz's comments on this board, it's obvious he has no qualms about dictating his style of play over everyone else's. So be it, I don't enjoy constantly ganging the side with least amount of numbers, so I simply don't fly Fariz's 'missions'. Bah, any 10 guys can capture undefended bases, why does this make Fariz some great leader? Some of us are sheep to be led, some are leaders, you sheep know who you are, just keep feeding the ego, maybe soon the head will explode with it. Bottom line, until we can quit our jobs and play this game full time, we are stuck with what AH has decided as far as CV control, and in turn, will simply have to put up with the likes of Fariz.
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Fariz,
I suspect you did misinterpert what I was trying to say, probably my fault for not saying it more clearly.
It seems a group of your countrymen were working together to accomplish something, and they were having fun at it. You show up, ruin thier fight by deciding you are the only one who has a clue how this game should be played, and you destroy what they are trying to accomplish, you eliminate the fun they were enjoying.
Why?
Because you think only you know strategy? Because you spend too much of your life playing a game? That they were enjoying themselves is irrelevant you felt superior and treated them like children?
Don't barge in and interrupt an attack with arrogance, you might not get called a Dickhead. Maybe say "hey, when you get that field, how about we move the CV out of range, or to a better position strategically? That might just work you know.
But did you do that? No, you came in like some self-appointed General and take command. Look at it from the viewpoint of others, you might understand why so many viewed it poorly.
a little consideration goes a long way,
Dago
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Originally posted by ET
It did not matter that we thought it was wrong, stupid, ridiculous and unfair. He was the sergeant and he had the stripes and the rank. So he said we WILL do it his way. And so we marched off to do the job whistling the theme from The Bridge on The River Kwai. We got over it. ;)
It seems quite rude and arrogant to me. I would be mad enuff to out rank him next tour and take his cv and I might even have to shoot him down. Of course if he said he was sorry and would try to be more polite in the future I might NOT kick his arse.
Please excuse me for butting in.
Thank you
:cool:
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k, here is what we have. On a low evening, MA has around 200, durring prime time, around 600. So lets take the highest number, that puts around 200 per country. Out of this 200, 90% of them have 1 thing in mind, "Pork Ripe" meaning kill it, destroy it, and conquer it as many times as possible. Well maybe I am the only one with Pork Ripe in mind. 90% just want to up and fight, they are not thinking about strats, they want to just fight. The other 10% are the strat players, worried about points, rank, winning the war, and making it home to base to land 3 kills instead of staying in the massive hoard til the death. More power to those strats guys who are looking to win the resets, however, there are no Generals, Admerals, Officers, Lieutenant Dans, Sergen Generals, or Private Piles. The 90% of the players don't want to hear a Srgt, R. Lee Ermey shouting orders, telling them to bring supplies to them, or stripping a CV away from them because it is not stratigicly placed. (crapola, spelling has gone down the drain) They want to have fun and Play in their own world, thats the game, "Fun". Everyone is paying the same $$ to play, therfore we are all equal. So maybe I am way off with this, but thats my story!
For the CV topic, and idea I thought of was if you want to use a TG, then you have to make a mission through a TG Mission Editor. It gives you the TG for 30 min or so to sail to destanation and do, whatever you want to do, no one can strip it away in that alloted time. If there are no missions, then it just free sails like it does now, where anyone can gun it or use it. It can be controled by anyone while not in a mission, but when someone make a mission using it, then the power is given to the CO of the mission, unless it is being used in a current mission, then the next mission has to wait til current one is finished.
Ok, so now that I have written a novel here, Merry Pork Ripein' ya'll!!
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We all agree, I believe, that Aces High is a game. A social interaction between individuals of varying backgrounds, ages, and life experience. Unlike most board games however, there are a lot of goals that can be acheived. Each can play thier own "game" be it capturing bases or shooting for a high fighter score.
Like most social interactions, there is a difference of opinion on what constitutes the objective of that social gathering. Everyone has thier own views from thier own little worlds. We all play this game with the objective of entertaining ourselves for a few hours or a lot of hours depending on the amount of time we have on hand to do it.
As with any social gathering, we each give and take a little to try to find a balance that all can live with. Now of course gang wars could probably be classified as social gatherings, but in that situation one is only interested in total domination.
When interacting with others in any form of social gathering the more people who use common curtesy in that situation the more the whole group enjoys the experience, especially if it is one based on entertainment.
In my opinion...arrogance and rudeness have no place where people gather to have fun. Actually I prefer the lack of rudeness and arrogance in any situation. One has to see others as individuals not just a digital representation of a being.
I have flown for the Bish since my squad moved there. Not really my choice but there are some cool people in each of the countries represented and one can have fun no matter which one one flies for. I have also noted arrogance on the part of the so called "generals" and it doesn't sit well with me either. I normally go along with them if it suits what I want to do that day but more often than not tend to ignore them.
I sympathise completely with Bohdi in this situation. Whether or not Fariz knows more about stratagy is not of importance in my opinion, it is how he handled the whole thing and his determination that others shouldn't have fun doing what "they" liked to do because of his opinion on how this "game" should be played.
Until we all get to the point in our lives that we can see the value of the individual and thier feelings we will have situations like this arise again and again.
Was it proper to bring it up on this BBS? I would rather see it hashed out here than on channel 2 or 1 in the main arena.
Life is short. Until some of you get to my age you won't really realize the truth of those words. There are those older than I that know the meaning of those words even more than I do. The older one gets the more one tries to simplify the living experience. One way to do that is by enjoying the company of others without trying to impose one's will or way of doing things on them.
I have rambled on too long now. This is a thorn in my side about this game, that being the lack of curtesy shown by many in the arenas, especially the main arena, and has been instrumental in my lack of time playing it. It is just not fun to have to put up with the rudeness and lack of personal consideration shown when you log on. Most of it is not aimed at me, I am pretty quiet normally when I log on and not noticed, but having to see it done to others is just as disquieting.
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
it is how he handled the whole thing and his determination that others shouldn't have fun doing what "they" liked to do because of his opinion on how this "game" should be played.
And where I said it? Or you think that it is what I think, and you base it on other people thoughs on what actually happened? :)
For the last week I am watching with interest how people transfer their life experience on me, and in each mirror I am reflected some other funny way. One thing which this thread showed, is that you shall start recording first minute you enter arena, and finish it only when out. It is exactly what I do last few days, and going to do it in the future.
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You didn't "say it" in so many words. An assumption on my part from the details expressed in this thread. Was I wrong? Very possibly, it is just the actions that were posted here made me make an assumtion based on what I have seen in the past.
Now, we all know what the word "assume" really means... it often means that it makes an "ass out of you and me" :)
Now as far as "transfering my life experience" on you I am not really sure what you mean.
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
Was it proper to bring it up on this BBS? I would rather see it hashed out here than on channel 2 or 1 in the main arena.
Great call, I'll toast to that!!