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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: pdog_109 on August 11, 2001, 12:19:00 PM
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The A-1 fighter verion had the 4 x 30mm cannon and later on in April the R4M air to air rocket. Will the R4M be modeled? For killing individual bombers it's usless (R4M)
But in the east they were used against soft ground targets (in AH - flak,troops,pt boat)
If there are bomber formations it could hit a few of them. The LW fired salovs of 12 on each wing at the bomber. Also will the A-2 jabo be modeled? 2 X 250lbs under the nose, and the removal of the bottom 30mms.
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Would you Jabo in an expensive perk? ;)
Hopefully the R4M's will be modelled, maybe the bombs too but I doubt it.
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I would :)
SOB
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I wouldn't realy see the danger to much, unless you misjudge speed and crash into the ground!
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so would i.
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Great, the world is full of insane people ;)
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lemme explain my insanity wilby :)
what are you gonna do with a 262?
A: attack fighters? - all they have to do is one simple break turn and the 262 is useless. if you dogfight with it you will be dead in no time and if you stay at 500mph and 30k you will die of boredom looking for someone to bounce.
B: attack buffs? - errr i might attck a few but i die 50% of the time with buffs so it would be lame.
C: Jabo. as fast as it is you could really whack some gv if you timed it right. ding ding we have a winner.
all my favorite planes are free anyway which is why i have 8 zillion fighter perks - it'll be fun using them on the 262 but i am always hunted when i fly perks so might as well have some fun with it.
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Take a 262, set convergance to 100, guns fire mostly down due to slow muzzle velocity. You now have the ultimate vultch machine. ;)
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Kind of useless in MA maybe but could do some bomber busting in the CA. I guess God loves crazy people then, because he makes so many of us.
[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: pdog_109 ]
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I think it would be great.
You know why?
Because you are safe from nme aircraft.
You can dictate the battle. You can decide when to fight, even against a tempest.
I think it would be better for historical scenarios though.
Sincerely,
JG5FaBi.
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262 will be getting kills, oh yes.
It will be to a P51 what P51 is to a Zeke. Now, you say P51 has no kills against Zeke ?
Plus, it will be highly priced perk. That means, no 262 will be turning in the Arena. It will be flown by experienced types only and that alone can get it a great K/D. With 262, Fishu's streak might be in danger too.
[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Hristo ]
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You know all the prop fighters will come and camp at your airfield, right? You'll never land it, unless you have some of those "dreaded" Ta 152 around to protect you(that one which out-turns the Tempest and out-speeds the Rustang). :D
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262's have to refuel. P51's are fast.
If the BiShits can make any reasonable country effort for communication of where a 262 is spotted, and keep 3 or 4 P51's updated and informed, the vulchfest will begin, oh yes.
Yes indeed.
I bet that 262 aint toejam spooled down on approach.
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You wish ;)
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P-51 is fast but 262 is faster.
262 could easily run away to far away base and land if 262 does a couple of tricks.
Fly over a CV and insta flak will make the 51s divert, slowing them down. Fly toward friendly's and hope they engage the p-51. If your smart the 262 will be very hard to bring down. The LW pilots love the 262 because to them it was like an "insurance policy"
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Trust me, pdog, this one knows how to run ;)
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I think being able to use R4M as an air-launched weapon is a dream we all share ;). But due to the horrific nature of the weapon, I think that the Geneva Convention may preclude its use :(.
:p
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Biggest problem for 262's will be other 262's, not some crappy P-51s :D
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And its best friend would be CV ack ;)
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LOOK WHAT I FOUND! kinda old isn't it?
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Greens,a quick read of the TOS would tell you that this id frowned upon...
Better hope Skuzzy is in a good mood or there may be a PNG in your future!
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Im waitINg for the "Batman" thread bump pic. :D
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Waystin has been failing me here lately. :(
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Would you Jabo in an expensive perk? ;)
Hopefully the R4M's will be modelled, maybe the bombs too but I doubt it.
I like to tank bust by strafing with my 4 x 30mms. :D
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LOOK WHAT I FOUND! kinda old isn't it?
Keep it up, and you won't be.
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Me 262 A-1a/U4
Bomber destroyer version, two prototypes with an adapted 50 mm (2 in) MK 214 (or BK-5 cannon) anti-tank gun in nose. :banana:
Me 262 A-1a/U5
Heavy jet fighter with six 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 108s in the nose :cheers:
These would be something. The U4 would have a range advantage over bombers would it not?
Infidelz
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These would be something. The U4 would have a range advantage over bombers would it not?
Theoretically and in game maybe, but in real life the BK5 5cm cannon was useless. There's are reasons those types never made it out of prototype, and the war's end wasn't the only one.
I would love R4M's though.
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BK5:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BK_5_cannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BK_5_cannon)
"The Bordkanone 5, or BK 5 for short, was a 50 mm autocannon intended primarily for use against Allied heavy bombers. Rheinmetall was given a contract in 1943 to adapt the 50 mm KwK 39 tank gun for aerial use in the twin-engined Me 410 Hornisse bomber destroyer. They were installed as Umrüst-Bausätze (Factory Modification) 4 in the Me 410A-1/U4, and experimentally, in the Me 262A-1a/U4 jet fighter prototype, as the MK 214 cannon of similar caliber was not yet available. The semi-circular magazine held 22 rounds. Approximately 300 were produced and it saw only limited action, most notably in the Me 410A-1/U4 Hornissen aircraft that served with the II. Gruppe of Zerstörergeschwader 26. Intended for long-range shots, it was given a telescopic sight in addition to the Me 410's standard Revi C12C gun sight, but this proved to more of a hindrance than help in the turning fights that the Me 410s often found themselves as the maneuvering targets easily escaped from the telescopic sight's small field of view[1].
According to the account of the engagements against the USAAF by II/ZG 26 from late February through mid-April of 1944 mentioned at a German language website [1], the 53 Hornissen of that Zerstörergruppe equipped with the BK 5 were said to have to accounted for downing a staggering total of 129 B-17 Flying Fortress and four B-24 Liberator heavy bomber aircraft, distributed over a series of five or six interceptions, all while only losing nine of their own Me 410s.[2]
Specifications for the BK 5 as given on the National Museum of the United States Air Force's website are have been confused with the 30 mm MK 108 cannon, a standard heavy-calibre autocannon in Luftwaffe usage."
looks like it didn't do too bad in the ME410. Would history dictate how it does on the hitech 262?
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looks like it didn't do too bad in the ME410.
It did miserably in the Me 410. This is from The First and the Last by Adolf Galland, commander of the fighter branch of the Luftwaffe for the majority of the war, and 100+ kill ace.
"At the beginning of the war our tanks could only open fire from a distance of 800 yards if they wanted to be sure of the results, while our latest types were in a position to combat enemy tanks from a distance of 3000 yards. The Jagdwaffe alone had not developed along these lines. They still had to close in to 400 yards before they could use their weapons effectively.
From this consideration arose the order for fighters and destroyers to use a large-caliber long-distance cannon against the American bomber formations. The result was as follows: an Me-410 destroyer, equipped with [the] armored-car cannon KWK 5, weighing 2000 pounds (!), was reconstructed as an automatic weapon with a magazine holding about 15 shells, [with] a rate of fire [of] about one shot per second. It was possible to fly with this monster sticking 3 yards out in front; firing was possible, too, although the cannon jammed hopelessly after about five shots. One could even hit something, not at 1000 or 3000 yards' distance, but at the most from 400 yards! Beyond that all chances of a hit were spoiled by having to fly the aircraft. Nothing was gained, therefore, and firing was reduced to single shots. We used to say ironically that we only had to shatter the morale of the bomber crew by a few artillery shots, then we could ram the Mustangs and Thunderbolts with our gun barrel."
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