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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: eagl on November 15, 2002, 07:42:52 PM
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Account cancelled due to game play issues.
I am simply not going to waste my online time flying 20 minutes to a fight, finding a nice 1 v 1 medium-altitude matchup, only to get killed by AAA before the bandit and I even merge. I've squeaked about the ack and other ground-based fire, both mannable and AI, since the flakpanzer made it's debut. It does absolutely nothing to enhance the air combat experience in the game; in fact it rather seriously degrades the fun factor.
I would expect to get shot down by ground fire vulching a field or buzzing a carrier, but when at 12,000 ft engaging in hard maneuvering several miles from the nearest facilities (a port and a carrier on the horizon), I do not reasonably expect AAA to interfere with air combat. Yet it does in this game over and over.
A lower back injury has recently given me a lot of time off from work (I can't stand or even sit upright without lots of drugs controlling the pain) and I had hoped to kill some time in the arena, but instead I flew one final mission and cancelled my account. It's not even a snap decision, rather the final straw resulting from what I've seen as a continual degredation of the game experience I originally found back in the Confirmed Kill beta. I flew CK, WB, and AH for air combat, period. Any feature or "gameplay" adjustment that takes away from air combat, whether it's moving the fields farther apart or adding in AI/manned guns that can make amazing shots far away from ground targets, directly results in less enjoyment for me.
I don't give a darn whether HTC changes a thing or who agrees/disagrees with me, because my account is already cancelled. I just wanted my friends to know why I left and won't be back. The trend has been in place for years and hasn't shown any hint of leaning back towards enhancing the air combat aspects of the game, so I'm done. There is at least one other game out there that involves ONLY air combat, so I'll be playing those other games.
Sorry I won't be flying with my friends in here anymore. I just can't STAND any more undeserved ack deaths interfering with the real game - air combat. This used to be "Aces High", I'm very sad that it turned away from that years ago.
Respectfully
The player formerly known as eagl
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Fighter pilots whine and moan too!
;)
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We call it "squeaking", and normally it's done at the bar with a few buddies, some beer, and either cigars or whatever tobacco products we brought home from the last deployment.
I'm at home, can't drink beer due to the vicodin, and my wife would kill me if I started smoking, so all you BBS readers get to read my last AH gameplay rant :D
On a good note, not only will I save the monthly fee, I get to hold off on $600 worth of hardware upgrades I was planning on making over the next few months. My current system is plenty fast enough for GPL and "brand T" beta.
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Plenty of things to be irritated about... I just can't find one that's worth quitting over.
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whaaaaa etc.
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Now I know why my gunnery sucks! I take vicodin, soma and drink beer:)
It intensifies the AH effect :D
Blutik
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Dam. I've had some really great fights with you. Got you in some ah films on some of my sorties back in the day. Learned some fightin with ya Eagle, your a hell of an online opponent.
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Ya, lower back pain is the worse. Can be crippling at worse. I've been through that. Took a month off work once due to back pain then grueled for 5-6 more months with INTENSE back pain. Two months ago I finaly healed myself from that. Came back from a five mile jog, joints were loose, heart pumpin, back/left leg paining. Sat down and decided to try some different stretches. Sat in a chair, did a right elbow to left knee sorta stretch and felt a crackle, pop, crackle in my lower right back area. Instantly healed99%. Today my back is finaly straight, no more chronic pain (4 years after moto accident, slammed into a sound barrier behind a freeway ramp).
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Dammit Eagl!
It's been great flying with ya, and sharing a note or two. I will watch and wait to see if one of these days you decide to jump back in and give it a try again. We can wing up against that evil Drex.
I hope your back heals soon, only had back problems once and it really sucks, as you well know. I won't ask how you did it, I'll just assume it was related to bold feats of daring and adventure. :)
good luck and take care,
dago
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ah another misconception that is held by HTC:
continuos flak above 3k near cv is fun!
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"This used to be "Aces High", I'm very sad that it turned away from that years ago. "
Aint it the truth!
Not a bad first person shooter though. If your into that sort a thing.
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be chillen..........
Cant disagree with you. Ive had more than my share of those BS ack shots over the past couple of years. Irritating? Sure. What I would find far better than the current ack is a more active flak environment where the closer I get and the more intense the ack becomes the more pings I hear from incidental splinter hits, with the occasional damaged component and the rare catostrophic hit, especially at longer ranges. As it is I can fly thru dumb ack all friggen day and nary a ping. Then, out the wild blue yonder KerSmash!!!!! back in tower. It really is BS as it currently is modeled.
Also, bear in mind that if I was going to quit today it would be for one of several other reasons a HELL OF A LOT more irritating and disruptive to "my gameplay experience" than the stupid ack trick.
In any event, my fascination with the era and genre has waned quite a bit lately due to massive overcrowding and general run-o-the-mill dweebery but I find that I still have fun, mostly. What really keeps me engaged is hoping for better things in future releases.
Once those stop then Im on the short list outta here.
Cheers Eagl, pop another vic, put on some good 60s acid rock and float downstream :)
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Is brand T going to be worth the wait? Come on, you can say yay or nay.
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I can't say much about brand T and stay within NDA, and I certainly don't want to show disrespect to HTC by discussing it in this forum. I will only say that while it shows great promise and development continues at a good pace, it's also well over a year past the original open beta release estimate. At this point it is definately NOT a substitute for a product like AH.
Don't get me wrong, HTC has done a great job with AH. It has just been steadily moving away from the game feature that got me playing in the first place. I suspect that my fixation on air combat puts me in the minority in the online gaming community, but I've been a combat aviation nut since age 10. Airfields and ground targets make great excuses to fly somewhere and fight, but that's all they are to me and when those features interfere with the dogfight, they detract from the game in my opinion.
I should look into what is necessary to play H2H... Can I do that without a paying account? I suppose I should have looked into that before I deleted my account, but I'm not going to pay one more penny to fight AAA, boats, or pickup trucks with guns.
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"pickup trucks with guns"
Move to Alabama :D
Sorry to see you go Eagl, take care :)
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You are right Eagl. That does suck, but is it worth quitting over? It seems you feel strongly about this, so I guess it is. :(
Getting hit by fleet ack when I can barely see the fleet is what grates on me!
I have also been into a nice 1v1 fight only to get popped by a Osty! It doesn't bother me as much because I probably would of lost the 1v1 anyways! :)
Regardless, hope to see you back here sometime. Just check in once in a while!
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You can turn off all the, shoots backward, stuff in H2H. More old timers are showing up in there. Torque for example (different name) So you can get some very good 1 v 1's. MA setting are not easy to come by. If you host it, they wont come. Most want outside views, strangly its the default. So newbies have it on with out knowing it. But I do MA settings once and awile, and get a few people.
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the fighters will go to 12k? must be one of them perk plane thingies.
lazs
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So does this mean no more riding Drex's coattails in the 2v2 at the con every year? :D
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Eagl's a putz too. :D Cya eagl, in a few months.
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Actually, I have had as much or more fun in HtH than I ever had in the MA.
Used to be a nice veteran group that would do 4 vs 4 historical matchups. It was awesome to see 4 identical allied aircraft fighting 4 identical axis aircraft in a quasi historical dogfight.
Easymo is right though, if you try to host a room with any kind or realistic settings... no one will play anymore. "increase the ammo!", "where's external view?"... whine... whine... whine... until they leave for a "better" room.
When the CT has 8 or more people, I have as much fun as I used to have in HtH. But of course the planeset/map is beyond control and frequently has combinations that are one-sided.
I am curious to see how the mission arena works. It won't work without side balancing, but side balancing will drive most people away. It will probably end up being as unpopular as the CT :( But I can always hope for the best.
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Best Ack shot I ever made.
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There's no ack in the Dual Arena.
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Originally posted by senna
Dam. I've had some really great fights with you. Got you in some ah films on some of my sorties back in the day. Learned some fightin with ya Eagle, your a hell of an online opponent.
Nah. The only time I ran into him in WB he was a popsicle. He had the advantage, too...5k below my Spit IX in his Ju52...
Have fun with Brand T, Eagl, and hope the back improves so you can go do what you should be doing. Thibault has a recurring virii in his left eye that took him out of the cockpit, and all he ever does is squeak about it :D
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Hey Eagl, i remember some good fights with you too from wayy back.... personally I think it's good to quit, do other things from time to time, . ... . i've gotten annoyed or bored with this game on several occasions, and only because of my own need to do something different,.... and then eventually HTC changes some things, adds some things, and it feels like a whole different experience again, . .and on we go..... I think what AH and HTC strives for that is important to me is teamwork/community involvement. Playing this game is as much a virtual social event as a flight sim. The kind of longevity this generates is what makes it really cool, and what makes it possible for you to leave here today, giving yer two bits, and maybe next year it's a whole different game that you can get into again. When i came back after 2 years, HTC even gave me another two week free trial, and it took about a week for me to realize how much had changed, and to get into it again.
so anyway's, . . .S!, . . .and good luck to you
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Eagl, cya bud, you take care. Meet ya in the skies over rabaul (or Korea)
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agreed about the value of "quitting" occasionally. I haven't been playing much and was getting back into the un-quitting phase, when I realized the game had gone too far away from the air combat focus for me to want to pay anymore. I've given HT and his companies my money for 7 years even during periods when I wasn't playing at all, and I finally decided that the focus has just moved past what I'm willing to pay for.
On hindsight I wish I'd just cancelled my subscription and kept the account so I could keep my online ident, but ah well. Maybe I'll call and ask them nicely if they can revive my old id in a non-subscription account.
In the meantime, I'm trying H2H out as FPeagl.
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Hey Eagle, if you dont mind me asking. Do drive a C or D model? Whats the acceleration like when you punch the throttle, please describe. Head whip back?
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F-15E actually. It's not a neck-snapping movement, rather a very steady pressure pushing you into the seat. Acceleration feels rather like a very high performance car feels, except there's no jolts when shifting gears, just a few mild bumps and increasing pressure as each afterburner stage kicks in.
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Capt. Tibault was certified in the E, and mentioned it's fly by wire rather than fly by cable? Didn't know that.
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F-15E has direct mechanical flight controls (mechanical stability augmentation with pulleys/counterweights/etc) plus a computer aided stabiilty system on top of that, modifying control surface movement based on flight parameters and control stick force. It is a hybrid system and the plane can be flown with a complete failure of the computer aided stability system, although stability is marginal in many configurations in that case.
It all adds up to a plane that flies like a "real" aircraft unlike the F-16, while still being extremely easy to fly. It's possible to abuse the flight control system and depart controlled flight, however this is not generally considered much of a drawback because the ultimate limiting authority remains the pilot, not the computer.
How's that for a thread hijack?
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It all adds up to a plane that flies like a "real" aircraft unlike the F-16,
yeah, but do the chicks did F15 or F16 drivers? :)
dago
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Hi Eagle,
What does it mean to depart from controlled flight in an F15. Does that mean its possble to spin out of control or similar?
How do you get back into control with all that power from the rear when out of control... does all the thrust from the engines tend to exasperbase being out of control (making you even MORE out of control) ?
Is it possible to exceed your max AoA without a computer overriding?
An have you done the above?
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ah another misconception that is held by HTC:
AI flag with 100% fediddlein ASRAAM accuracy at 10k+ is very realistic!!
eagl
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the flak is slightly overdone no doubt
so you really think its worth quitting over or maybe the meds ie the frustations, are talkin
see you when you are better
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It's not the meds...
It's the trend away from air combat. I'm having fun doing the h2h thing and may end up hosting quite a bit, although so far it's been like clubbing seals and the fediddleing game id server is porked so my id is "newu369", but other than that it's ok.
as for the F-15, yes it can go out of control. The thrust doesn't hurt it really. I have only had mild departures, although I know a guy who tailslid one 10,000 ft and was seconds from ejecting. The F-15E is pretty stable though so except for a few known departure modes, it doesn't misbehave too badly.
There is a yaw/pitch coupling issue that can cause the plane to enter a stable auto-roll where it just rolls forever without any input, but it's not difficult to recover from it and everyone knows how to avoid the situation.
The F-15 doesn't have an AOA limiter, but it is fairly difficult to actually get the AOA high enough to cause a departure. It's stable to a relatively high AOA. Nothing like an F-18, but much higher than the F-16.
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When I get bored,I go to Duel Arena...It's so much more intense than the MA and I learn way more....Been flying since AH beta and the DA as well as the CT is where I'm ending up for most fun.
Hope to see you back Eagl...Hope to see you again on Drex's left wing.
:)
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We have F-16 drivers here in Syracuse. Seen them out on the town nurmerous occasions. Seemed very snobbish and obnoxious! To each his own, I guess! :)
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I played golf with three 14 drivers at Ociana in Virginia. They were pretty cocky until I took half their pay away from them.
My record to date, though, was taking money from Rear Admiral Pula squeak herself in Orlando. There are some advantages to being an E4 in civilian clothes on the first tee and having plausable denyability when Captain Groth Vader found out one of his students fleeced base commander.
I'll have to ask Glenn about that flight control again...I didn't think the 15E was an electric jet. Don't think I've ever seen one up close and personal; they're after my time.
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6.5/10
In the metric system that's 2.3 RAMs.
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eagl
to minimize the seals & punks in h2h set up an early bird scenerio with short icons
the more you make it like CT, the less twits you attract
just be ready to boot them when they start complaining about the planeset :)
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H2H is a great alternative IMO.
some great terrains (including mine:)) and as long as you or someone that gets into 'real' settings is hosting it can be a blast for furballs and low-number-ACM.
but... I always find my way back to the MA for some sick reason.
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Sorry to see ya go....time usually modifies ones opinion of things..hope you'll be back.
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What, a 2.5 from the east german judge?
What about the difficulty bonus from hijacking my own thread?
Sheesh, corrupt judging... grumble grumble
H2H is fun btw... come play in my FFA arena :)
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hey eagl is the airforce in need of pilots? :D
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Let me see if my perception is correct, you're a real life F15 pilot? And you seem to be exhibiting quitters remorse at having cancelled you AH account? You better cut down on the pain killer.
I still have an account in AH at least today but me and my wingie left about 3 months ago for a sim that IMHO has the absolutely best flight and situational model I've ever seen after 6 years in FA, AH and WB which followed a 4000 hr. career put-putting in Cessna 150s and the like.
Don't regret anything. Best thing I did was to get away from something which ceased to meet my needs. Once you get over the shaking, crapping, puking and you brush off the bugs you'll do just fine :D
Beeg
Originally posted by eagl
It's not the meds...
It's the trend away from air combat. I'm having fun doing the h2h thing and may end up hosting quite a bit, although so far it's been like clubbing seals and the fediddleing game id server is porked so my id is "newu369", but other than that it's ok.
as for the F-15, yes it can go out of control. The thrust doesn't hurt it really. I have only had mild departures, although I know a guy who tailslid one 10,000 ft and was seconds from ejecting. The F-15E is pretty stable though so except for a few known departure modes, it doesn't misbehave too badly.
There is a yaw/pitch coupling issue that can cause the plane to enter a stable auto-roll where it just rolls forever without any input, but it's not difficult to recover from it and everyone knows how to avoid the situation.
The F-15 doesn't have an AOA limiter, but it is fairly difficult to actually get the AOA high enough to cause a departure. It's stable to a relatively high AOA. Nothing like an F-18, but much higher than the F-16.
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Hehe. No quitters remorse, just wishing I'd kept my ident for free H2H. I've had more fun in H2H than I've had in the last few months of main arena play. The ident arena for H2H idents is STILL down/locked/whatever, so I can't even get a real ident in H2H. On a good note, I've helped 3 newbies get in the air and helped at least one guy slightly improve his framerate...
It's all about the air combat for me, and anything that interferes with that just reduces the fun factor. If I want to pay to fight AI, I'll buy pac-man 2000. I have a half-dozen prettier, more "complete" sims on the shelf that I don't play, because they primarily fight AI.
But HTC knows about my worthless opinion anyhow, so I'm just whining at this point. It just doesn't matter since I'm not a paying customer anymore.
The drugs aren't doing all that much for me anyhow. Soma and vicodin are totally overrated. I tried going without any drugs for half of the day and when I popped the pills it barely took the edge off the pain even with a full dose. Swimming for half an hour provided the most relief I've had in a week. I DO have a neat new "buzzing" sensation in my lower leg, so either I have a circulation problem or the nerve root is starting to degrade. Fun.
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I am a bit dissappointed eagl. Ya, know, killshooter IS a MA setting. Whats with the frag fest arena? :)
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Wheres the "i quit police"? Oh! it depends who it is who quits!!
Whine of the week for sure.
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Hey Maniac I tried.
The difference is probably that a lot of people like Eagl. I think about 8-10 of the people who posted on this thread have met him in real life. And lots of us have known him online going back to the mid-90's.
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Eagl I hope you recover soon and am glad you are having fun in H2H. I am currently on a lot of meds recovering from oral surgery so I feel your pain quite literally. :)
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Thanks funked. I hope your mouth heals up quickly. I also had a crown worked on a while ago... You know it's not good when the oral surgeon keeps saying "ahhhh hmmm... that's not good... ahhh hmmmm ok... well.... hmmmm" :)
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Had crowned molar 14 removed via black and decker 3/5' drill bit
just this past week. Surgeon said it was one of the most difficult extractions shes done. While they had under they removed a wizdom tooth I barely even knew.
Funny thing was it didnt hurt post op hardly at all due to damaged nerves. The percocet was bonus. I even managed a refill just for fun :eek:
Getting old and teeth just do not go hand in hand......