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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: garrido on October 03, 2001, 11:23:00 AM
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Somebody said me once:
"Fly AH, it´s the more realistic sim, its FM, DM, etc are near 95% reality or more"
If someday i see this friend, i´ll castrate him XD. AH doesn´t approach to 70%.
Many basics things aren´t included, things i tell them many times and i´d been humilled always, but i want insisting:
Improvement all FM and GM, N1K, Spitfire IX and 109G (specially G6).
Motor damages by heating.
Include pilot fatigue
No CT
No Autotrim when pilot loss knowlledge by injuries
etc etc
You can continue insulting, i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do.
Salute
Supongo
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i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT.
You could have gotten a real response until you state somthing like this.
Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one.
HiTech
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Owch!!!
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And yet another Luftwobble goes down in flames !!
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[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: Dago ]
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Originally posted by garrido:
Include pilot fatigue
Yeah, lets make it fun for just you and the five other people who like this idea.
-SW
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Owwwie... its like having dad come home and whip ya bellybutton in front of neighborhood. ;)
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Gentlemen Your posting the same type of crap im refering to. Just because I tell some one like it is, does not meen a pile on flame fest. Your post are doing the exact same thing I dislike greatly. When possible show some respect for others.
HiTech
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Hitech, supongo doesnt talk a single bit of english. I am more than sure that he has gotten that post from an online translator. I have tested such translators many times, and they really f$#" off the tone of anything you want to say.
I know him first hand, face to face, and he's a class act in all and every sense. DOnt extract conclussions from what his post may seem or sound like because you will be committing a capital mistake.
And this goes for everyone else who has taken the chance to get on him now...the kind of gravedancing I get to see in this forums from time to time is really disgusting. I would like to see you trying to give your opinion, or saying what you think about something as pollemic as AH is in this boards...in a language you dont understand,you dont read, nor talk... using only a dictionary and an online translator.
And I would like to see your reactions if someone gets on you like you just have done on him.
Reading this thread I feel like witnessing how a 300lbs man is kicking a 100lbs one. REALLY disgusting
[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Believe me RAM, I would of gone after everyone of his points.
I've done it before whenever outrageous requests have been brought up.
Such as pilot fatigue, and you know that I will argue that until there is nothing left to say by anyone.
HiTech didn't need to post for me to jump in here, and you know that.
-SW
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I was not talking about you, Swulfe. You gave a perfectly valid answer to one of his points, but not attacked him personally for his post.
My words were meant for the other's posts with their gravedancing. You just said you disagreed without entering a personal attack. I have nothing against you because you didnt enter the gravedancing fest some people started after reading HT's answer.
[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Okay, we're clear then RAM.
Just making sure.
I think that some of his ideas are good ones (engine damage from running in the red too long and no autotrim when pilot goes into full blackout from Gs or injury).
Combat Trim I think is good for newbies. I don't use it myself, it's like the difference between driving a manual 5 speed and an automatic. You can get more power off the gun and manage each gear further in a manual than you can in a automatic and therefore get quicker acceleration.
That's my take on it atleast.
-SW
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hmmm HT are you realy think ,,whiners,, not deserve to have a response ? :(
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i think also like NOT englis native speaking the ,,insult,, word was NOT adreset to HTC crew but for the useleles whiners about whine!
i em behind you RAM
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Minus I dont say anything against Hitech. Supongo's post may have sounded harsh to him. Hitech just said ,more or less, that harsh and unpolite questions dont get a polite answer. I just wanted to point him that supongo is using a translator and that his questions may sound WAY harsher and unpolite than intended. Nothing against HT in my answer, just wanted to point him that fact.
Just wanted to put it clear.
[ 10-03-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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and i saying something against HT ???
just i em sure the problem is the language barier ,, anyway still dont know exactly what word ,,whine,, realy mean in my lang just have intuition what it can be
PS: LW whiners , on next post prepare your English language doctorat !! is condition now on BBS!! :D
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Improvement all FM and GM, N1K, Spitfire IX and 109G (specially G6).
N1K2 is getting a new FM in 1.08. What is wrong with the Spitfire MkIX and Bf109 FMs? What is "GM"
Motor damages by heating.
I agree with this.
Include pilot fatigue
I think this is silly and essentially a whine about turn fighters actually having a prayer to survive.
No CT
I don't understand what you mean.
No Autotrim when pilot loss knowlledge by injuries
Seems good to me.
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Pilot fatigue is already modeled. Don’t know about the rest of you but it seems sometimes that my skill is in direct proportion as to how long I’m online. Unless of course I just start out crappy ;).
Zippatuh
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Originally posted by Zippatuh:
Pilot fatigue is already modeled. Don’t know about the rest of you but it seems sometimes that my skill is in direct proportion as to how long I’m online. Unless of course I just start out crappy ;).
Zippatuh
I agree, it's modeled since the beta :)
(flying between 22:30/24:00 wake up a 6:00 is hard :))
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To Hitech:
I was who translated garrido text to, so this confusion could be "mea culpa". In any case I do not see where it is the offensive text and the respect is lacked to nobody.
Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one.
Hitech, please, you know your answer is an excuse only. Simply you haven´t a real answer.
I think many stuffs in AH are this way to do easier novice playing (autotrim, etc), but it´s less real.
But i understand it, more novices mean more MONEY. Typical thing.
Hey, this words are mine, no from Garrido.
P.D.- My english is poor, i know it :).
Necro_v
Grupo 21 FARE
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Just because something is "good for newbies" doesn't mean it is "bad" for everyone else. I think CT is "combat trim", not "combat theatre".
I'd be all for engine damage if you run it beyond specs for to long- the problem is that we don't HAVE personal airplanes. I mean, a real WW2 airplane probably COULD run at full manifold and full RPM for one mission and be just peachy. It would be getting ragged after 2 or 3 sorties, but how can we expect HTC to model that?
Hell, combat trim isn't *just* for newbies (well, unless you consider me a newbie), I still use it. I'll adjust my trim from time to time, but by and large auto-trim works just fine for me.
Pilot fatigue is probably not modelable, I mean can they model the adrenaline that would be pumping through you in the fight? Or maybe they model both fatigue AND adrenaline, and the adrenaline wins? :)
Whats wrong with the 109G6's flight model? It flies like the clunkiest 109 in my opinion, but I thought it WAS one of the clunkier ones historically. They've already said that the FM for the N1K and the La7 (and the C-Hog and P-47D11) are going to be adjusted, as well as flap and stall behavior for all planes, so what more can you ask until you see what 1.08 brings?
As far as the translator goes.. Ram is right, those things are big POS's- they mangle stuff. I doubt if Supongo started that message the way it came out. I could be wrong though, but I do think he has a valid point about people piling on other people just because they fly the "bad guy" planes...
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Siento que mi post no se haya entendido con nitided, lo pondre en español, asi si alguno lo desea podra hacer una traduccion mas exacta de mis palabras.
Creo entender que mi post a herido la sensibilidad de algun miembro/jugador de AH, mi intencion NUNCA ha sido esa. la gente que me conoce sabe que NUNCA insulto.
Si alguien se a sentido ofendido le pido sinceras disculpas.
"Fly AH, it´s the more realistic sim, its FM, DM, etc are near 95% reality or more"
Alguien me dijo (me refiero a un buen amigo mio): Vuela AH (el queria que dejase WB y probase AH, y lo consiguio) su modelo de vuelo y su modelo de armas es parecido a la realidad en el 95%"
If someday i see this friend, i´ll castrate him XD. AH doesn´t approach to 70%.
Si algun dia veo a este amigo, lo castrare (frase jocosa en español, que puede haber sido mal interpretada al traducirse, y que se refiere EXCLUSIVAMENTE a este amigo). AH no se acerca al 70% de la realidad (es mi sincera opinion).
Many basics things aren´t included, things i tell them many times and i´d been humilled always, but i want insisting:
Realmente no recuerdo que quise decir con esto, y mi traduztor da una respuesta incoherente, solo me deja claro que puse "siempre he sido humillado por mis quejas (opiniones)", y me reafirmo, siempre que he intentado dar ideas para mejorar AH me han llamado "lloron" o "quejica de la Luftwaffe", pregunto, ¿es normal tratar asi a alguien por opinar e intentar mejorar un juego?.
Si hablo sobre derribos a 700,800,900 yardas o mas, me dicen: "quejica aporta pruebas", que ocurre ¿que nadie ha sido derribado a esa distancia excepto yo? Se que hay muchos que lo han sido y lo siguen siendo, pero por el motivo que sea (posiblemente para que no les llamen llorones) no escriben su respuesta afirmativamente.
Improvement all FM and GM, N1K, Spitfire IX and 109G (specially G6).
Pido aqui que se revise el modelado de vuelo y el de armamento del N1K (parece ser que se hace en la 1.08), del Spitfire IX (pienso que esta modelado en exceso "overmodelled", ¿o ustedes creen que es normal la poca perdida de E en los virajes, subidas etc y que recupere esta E tan rapidamente? Que ocurre, ¿que el ser un avion mitico hace de el un superavion? Porque sinceramente, en AH es un superavion, y eso es estar mal modelado.
El 109, en especial el G6 tiene muchos fallos, y no solo a favor, sino en contra tambien. Procuro ser imparcial, no apoyo mas a los aviones de la LW que a los de la RAF, USAF etc.
Motor damages by heating.
Vale, lo admito, parece ser que en la WWII todos los aviones podian volar al 100% de revolucion motor sin sufrir daños durante todo el tiempo de vuelo. XD
Include pilot fatigue
Vale, lo admito, cualqier piloto de la WWII podia girar y girar, entrar continuamente en Redout o blackout, realizar continuamente bruscos cambios de direccion sin que su cuerpo sintiese los efectos perniciosos que esto supone. Ah, y parece ser que el avion tampoco tenia fatiga estructural con estas maniobras. XD
No CT
Me refiero al combat trim, no a la Arena.
Ya lo dije una vez y lo repito, existe la TA y el H2H para que un piloto aprenda a usar los Trim's, cuando vuele en la MA o la CT que no se puedan usar. Y si, estoy de acuerdo (por si alguien lo pone) que el Trim ajustable por el piloto deberia estar colocado solo en aquellos aviones que dispusieron de esa posibilidad realmente.
No Autotrim when pilot loss knowlledge by injuries
¿Ustedes creen que es normal que un piloto que pierde el conocimiento o que ve mermadas su capacidad de vuelo por una herida durante un picado, viraje o ascension pueda colocar el avion en piloto automatico?
¿que volamos, aviones de la WWII o 747?
You can continue insulting, i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do
Y como ven ustedes, me siguen llamando quejica y lloron de la LW, tal y como predije, ni nostradamus lo hubiese hecho mejor XD.
Hitach, no se donde ve usted los insultos, mi intencion no es insultar, es hacer mas grande AH, mas real.
Recuerdo muchos post mios (revise el historial) en que seguia dando ideas y nunca (que yo recuerde) fui repsondido por el equipo de HTC.
¿Donde ven ustedes mi mala intencion?
¿los fallos de AH estan solo en mi imaginacion?
Un saludo
Supongo
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I personaly think some type of engine failure /damage model (especially for the Me262) could be interesting, apart from of course what we already have.
I do however think that it would open the door to the tech wienies and their : this XXX type engine could do XXX MPH at XXX Alt, and NO WAY could fail in the history of mankind, arguments.
Pilot fatigue.....err ok my flights don't usually last that long to warrant such thinking. I ususally spend my fatigue time floating to earth under a silk canopy...
Tronsky
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: -tronski- ]
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oye RAM, porfa, traduce mi post
Saludos
Supongo
P.D.: di tambien a hitech que ya puede responder al post cono conocimiento de causa, al estar (se supone) mejor traducido que el anterior.
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Supongo's post translation (notes on italic font):
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"...I believe that my post has harmed several AH member/player's sensitivity. That was NEVER my intention, and people who knows me can tell that I NEVER insult anyone. If anyone has taken offense, I offer my sincere appologies.
Somebody told me (a good friend of mine): 'Fly AH (he wanted me to leave WB and try AH, and he made it), its FM and weapons model is 95% close to reality.'
If I ever see this friend, I'll castrate him (this is a joke prase in Spanish, which could be misunderstood due to bad translation, and relates EXCLUSIVELY to this friend), as AH simulation don't get close to 70% of the real thing (it's my honest opinion).
'Many basic things..... ,but i want insinsing' <- Actually, I can't recall what I was trying to say with this, my machine translator gives me incoherent translations, and only states clearly that I posted 'I've always been humiliated because of my whines (opinions)', and I stick to this, every time I've tried give my ideas to improve AH, I've been called cry-baby, LW-whiner. I say, Is it normal treating somebody like that on giving opinions and trying to improve a game?.
If I talk about 700, 800, 900+ yds kills I am told: "whiner, prove it", what happens here, nobody but me has been killed at this distances? I know there are lots of them who have been and who are killed like this, but for whatever reason (problably to avoid being named as whiners) they do not post their answers affirmatively.
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[Nota a Supongo: no sé que quieres decir exactamente con escribir su respuesta afirmativamente] - [note: literal translation, don't know what he wants to say precisely with ...post their answers affirmatively....
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'Improvement all FM.....specially G6' <- I'm asking here for a FM revision on the N1K (it seems it will be done in 1.08), Spitfire IX (I think it's overmodelled...do you think it's normal the little E-bleeding in turns, climbs, etc. and the recovery rate in terms of E? What happens here? being a mythical plane make it a superplane? Because, honestly, Spit AH is a superplane, and this means a bad model.
109's, specially G6, have many mistakes, both overmodels and shortcomes. I try to be neutral, I'm not supporting LW planes more than RAF, USAF, etc. ones.
'Motor damages by heating' <- OK, I admit it, it seems like all WWII planes could fly full military power for all his flight time without damage. XD-> :D
'Include pilot fatigue' <- OK, I admit it, every WWII pilot could turn & turn, black out & redout on a regular basis, make hard heading changes without his body suffering any adverse effect. Oh, it seems like planes didn't suffer structural fatigue with this manouvers, as well. XD -> :D
No CT
I'm talking about combat trim, not Arena. Combat Theater?
I told it once, and I repeat: we have TA and H2H so a newbie can learn to use trims, and they won't be able to use them in MA or CT. And yes, I think (just if anybody post it) pilot adjustable trim controls would be available only aboard those planes that had actually this option.
'No autotrim when pilot loss knowledge (conscience] by injuries' <- Do you think it's normal having an unconscious or hadicaped by injures pilot able to connect Automatic Pilot? What planes are we flying? WWII's or 747?
'You can continue.....say what they do' <- And, as you can see, I'm told LW whiner and cry-baby, exactly as I told. Even Nostradamus could not beat me to it. :D
Hitech, I don't know where you see insults in my post, my intention is not offending anyone, it is making AH bigger, more real.
I recall many of my posts (review roster) where I was throwing ideas and I've never (as far as I can recall) had an answer by HTC team.
Where do you see my malicious intention?
Are AH mistakes only in my imagination?
Greetings,
Supongo"
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whew! Supongo, esto no lo vas a arreglar con 5.000
[edit] dang UBB code ;) [/edit]
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: Pepe ]
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Supongo,
Relájate y disfruta. AH es lo mejor que tenemos, de momento. :)
Rest of you,
As far as I can tell, Supongo is a class act. He is kind, and never, ever has insulted anyone.
He is a helluva 109 pilot, as lots of you can tell ;)
While he is oversensitive when it comes to the simulation and would like to have somebody puching him when he gets hit, for realism sake :D, I trust him when he says he is posting his honest point of view, and I trust him when he says he wants to improve AH. I know his "improvements" won't be bread&butter for all of us, but still he is honest when he post his ideas.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Hola Supongo. Mi interes yace principalmente con tu post, porque yo trato de practicar el Castellano cuandoquiera posible. En mi opinion, es una lengua hermosa y practicante tambien. En cuanto a los puntos que se de hablabas, yo puedo decir definitivamente, que no tengo conocimientos ningunos de los avionicos del 109. Sino me parece que tu eres un piloto que te gusta pilotar el 109, y por eso te saludo...lllllooooron, jeje. <G> En serio, tal vez veremos cambios al nuevo patch (1.08) que satisfaceran todo el mundo. Esperamos!
Es bueno conocerte de nuevo. Ten cuidado amigo. Espero verte en el MA un dia, como Rook, por favor.
SSS,
Leslie
SC-Bama :)
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: SC-Bama ]
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Muchisimas gracias Pepe, de corazon.
Tanto por tu apoyo como por la traduccion.
Un saludo
Supongo
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Gracias Leslie.
me agrada verte.
Me veras, y de rook :)
Un saludo
Supongo
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Yo tambien estare alguna vez en AH. ¿el nick? no lo se. ¿el bando? tampoco lo se :).
Lo que si se es que prometo no poner nada en ingles, no sea que Hitech se mosquee por un malentendido (que le ha venido muy bien para poner una excusa por otra parte :) ).
Traduce esto tb PEPE, por favor, que mi ingles ... ya se sabe xDDDD.
Necro_v
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If you dont want abunch of pep's writing there 2 cents worth, or less for some of us, on a public board I'd think about sending a private message perhaps and conduct the entire thing in a much more controled enviroment?
I will say I do apologise for seeming like a "grave dancer". I simply got abit annoyed at his blast towards a good flight sim and then amused at the response/blast vie HT.
I dont know him,Supongo,from Adam so I can only judge vie what i see here on the BBS which is bad idea no doubt.
I think we've got to remember that HT and crew are adults and when they get hit with hardcore critism they can defend themselves.
Besided... I think from HT's SECOND post I was one of those that got my bellybutton whipped in public :) It reminds me of the good ol'days with dad taking no prisoners. ;)
xBAT
"If you cant giggle at yourself your gonna have one miserable life"
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Pepe traduce porfa:
He releido todo lo que he escrito y parece que la frase que ofende o molesta a los miembros de HTC es esta:
"i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do."
Intentare explicar lo que quiero decir:
He puesto numerosos post indicando lo que a mi parecer deberia ser modificado o correcto en AH, y no he recibido respuestas por parte de HTC sobre si mis ideas eran malas o sobre que se iba a hacer al respecto. En esta frase queria decir que, mientras no reciba una respusta a mis preguntas seguire preguntando y escribiendo mejoras que creo necesarias. Es mi opinion. No he pretendido ofender, ni creo que el tono de mis palabras anteriores haya sido entendido.
Ahora, me gustaria que Hitech me dijese que parte de mi post ha resultado ofensivo para que el dijese:
"You could have gotten a real response until you state somthing like this.
Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one"
que segun mi traductor indica un gran enfado.
la traduccion literal es esta:
"Usted habría podido conseguir una respuesta verdadera hasta que usted indica somthing como esto. Ahora usted apenas consiguió bajado a la clase de un whiner y no derserve una respuesta, así que no cuenta con uno"
como ven, todo se puede malinterpretar.
Un saludo
Supongo
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mi turno ´ :p
He releido todo lo que he escrito y parece que la frase que ofende o molesta a los miembros de HTC es esta:
"i´ll continue requesting until Pyro or HT will deign to answer this messages and say what they do."
I've read everything I wrote again, and it seems that the quote wich Hitech disliked was this one.
(insert up mentioned paragraph ;))
Intentare explicar lo que quiero decir:
He puesto numerosos post indicando lo que a mi parecer deberia ser modificado o correcto en AH, y no he recibido respuestas por parte de HTC sobre si mis ideas eran malas o sobre que se iba a hacer al respecto. En esta frase queria decir que, mientras no reciba una respusta a mis preguntas seguire preguntando y escribiendo mejoras que creo necesarias. Es mi opinion. No he pretendido ofender, ni creo que el tono de mis palabras anteriores haya sido entendido.
I'll try to explain what I meant:
I've posted lots of times talking about things I thought should be changed or fixed in AH. Yet I've never seen answers from HTC to my posts and requests answering if my ideas were wrong or right,or giving any hint wether something was to be done on the subjects I was asking about.
So, when I posted that quote in my first message of this thread, I simply wanted to mean, that as long as I dont receive an answer to my questions , I'll keep on asking and writing about improvements for AH wich I find neccesary. This is just my opinion. I never wanted to be offensive; and I think my words were misinterpreted.
Ahora, me gustaria que Hitech me dijese que parte de mi post ha resultado ofensivo para que el dijese:
"You could have gotten a real response until you state somthing like this.
Now you just got lowered to the class of a whiner and do not derserve a response, so don't expect one"
que segun mi traductor indica un gran enfado.
la traduccion literal es esta:
"Usted habría podido conseguir una respuesta verdadera hasta que usted indica somthing como esto. Ahora usted apenas consiguió bajado a la clase de un whiner y no derserve una respuesta, así que no cuenta con uno"
como ven, todo se puede malinterpretar.
syntesis :D
Now, I'd like Hitech to tell me wich part of my post has been as offensive as to deserve an answer like the one I got, wich ,according to my translator, it means an angry answer
(he inserts the literal translation of HT's answer he got in his online translator)
As you see, everything is easy to be misinterpretated.
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Supongo: desde mi experiencia te puedo decir que HTC no suele contestar muy a menudo mensajes comentando, preguntando, o sugiriendo cosas, a no ser que se les pregunte directamente en el titulo del mensaj y de buen rollo :) -y a veces ni aun asi-.
Hasta cierto punto es normal. Tienen que trabajar en AH, y si tuvieran q postear continuamente no tendriamos una actualizacion al año. El mosqueo q se ha pillado Hitech contigo esta claro que no es muy justificado porque tu no querias ser irrespetuoso...pero te dire que el mensaje inicial ciertamente parecia casi demandar una respuesta de HTC, involuntariamente, si, pero lo parecia. Asi que entiendo q Hitech se pillara el rebote contigo porque leyo algo diferente a lo que tu querias decir. El mensaje inicial,y especialmente la frase q hitech remarco, parecia irrespetuoso y duro en extremo.Y de ahi su respuesta. Si,no era lo que querias decir pero es lo que parecia
Ten un poquito de paciencia y veras como esto se arregla y te responden :)
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Supongo; from my own experience I can tell you that HTC doesnt use to answer the BBS messages commenting, asking, or suggesting things unless they are directly asked in the topic of the message, and in a polite way--and sometimes they dont answer even if that happens.
If you think about it, you'll find that is understandable. They have to work on AH, and if they should have to answer continuously the forum messages, we wont have a sigle update/year. Hitech's angry answer to your post isnt justified because you didnt ment to be offensive, HOWEVER I'll tell you that the first post certainly seemed to demand an answer from HTC, without you wanting it, of course, but that is what it seemed. So Hitech's answer is perfectly understandable because what you meant is not what you said, and what you said seemed unpolite and harsh to the extreme. You didnt want it that way, but is what it seemed.
Be a little patient and you'll see that you get the answers you are looking for :)
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Off the record I want to insist on what I said before. Supongo is a class act in EVERY sense, a GREAT fighter pilot, nice wingman and great opponent. Face to face, personally, he is just great as individual and someone to talk with. I had the great luck of knowing him personally, and I know what I'm talking about.
I wont remark what I already said about gravedancing. SERIOUSLY disgusting and not explainable under any circunstances, much less now.
Finally, to those who said that supongo should've sent this in private, then he wont have had a single answer from HT, just for the reasons HT mentioned in this thread.
Supongo's post seemed way harsher than what it was in fact. Keep it in mind.
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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We can't change the world for the better without hard work.*
*Mindless saying from SC-Bama.
Salute all,
Leslie
SC-Bama
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Originally posted by batdog:
...It reminds me of the good ol'days with dad taking no prisoners. ;) ...
LOL! Been there been done that ;)
Cheers,
Pepe
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Man, that’s a lot of Internet translators with computer power to say what I can easily decipher--
He said- “I was disappointed my friend recommended AH, so much I would like to chop of his balls. Lol
“Why? Cause I want to squeak in a unknowing state after a minuscule research background on WWII aircraft, but I’m adamant in my statement of frustration that I did not do well in the superb game state HTC provided, no matter their research or time consumed in their quest for authenticity in the FM model . ”
Translated, “these bastards are good in the flight model HTC painstakingly modeled, they know their toejam, and it aint EASY.”
Again, he reflects, “For instance, the Fm sucks- The Niki is porked (I read all the BBS banter) even if it kicks bellybutton as a late war Japanese milestone in fighter development, and kills me and everyone else that’s in a early war German ride that turn fought’s it foolishly & unrealistically, so what if it’s realistic. “
Then he goes on “the Spit is modeled for toejam as well, how can a 109 that realistically used alt, numbers and speed to win against the Spit, loses in 1V1 tight turning furballs in a game-play concession MA ?”
More translation- “My motor isn’t damaged by overheating or has prop pitch models, fuel mixture model, or heat induced fatigue like 190’s were notorious for .” Meaning of course, “Why isn’t the boring gameplay featureless problems worked on before the planeset itself? I can wait 1 year for 1.08, cant YOU?
And the biggie, the CT. I hope he doesn’t mean the Combat Theater. I told you what that would be before it was introduced. If it’s Combat Trim, well. No comment.
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"Fly AH, it´s the more realistic sim, its FM, DM, etc are near 95% reality or more"
If someday i see this friend, i´ll castrate him XD. AH doesn´t approach to 70%.
Many basics things aren´t included, things i tell them many times and i´d been humilled always, but i want insisting:
Improvement all FM and GM, N1K, Spitfire IX and 109G (specially G6).
lolololol its a loving game man, slow down and have fun :D
guardy
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LOL Creamo, you were missing in this thread ;)
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Call me what you will, I could care less. "Gravedancers", "Loudmouth", or even "Horses Ass".
And please don't think I'm against Supongo because of his English, or him using internet translators. I'm friends with quite a few non native english speakers in AH. Spaniards (yes R4M I consider you friend even tho I frequently disagree with you ;) ), Dutch, Germans, Russians, Brazilians, Koreans, Swedes, Finns, and several others.
And anyone who has been on RW with me knows that I don't exactly speak "standard" english myself, I speak Hillbilly ;)
Plus Supongo is a damn fine pilot who has kicked my hind end on several occaisons, and left me wondering.. "how did he do that!"
What I have problems with is his agenda, and how he presents it.
I'm sorry but I think the tone of his post was translated exactly as it was meant to be, since when R4M and others translated it, it sounded exactly the same to me. Even his follow up post sounded exactly the same. "Answer ME or I'll continue to stomp my feet and YELL!!" is how it comes across to me.
And his agenda, *sigh* well some of the gameplay issues I agree with, but see the reasons why HTC can not go that route. But some of the aircraft issues, that I and many others call the "Luftwobble Agenda", just irritate the crap outta me.
I think I'm a open minded person, with a fair approach. Produce some good data and evidence for your point, and if its reasonable, I'll HELP you campaign HTC for those changes.
But if you come in with "It doesn't feel right to me", or "In my Secret Airborne Gestapo Agents of the Luftwaffe, Kommandant Himmler said he could outturn a Zero in a Bf110 and AH is wrong!!, or even the most honest but still wrong "I don't think it should be this way because my favorite aircraft stinks", then I'm gonna disagree with you every time.
So thats why I reacted the way I did. Call me and or the outburst whatever you wish.
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I dunno about the spit, but to me this seems like a LW-whine...
CT, in no way does it give anyone an advantage. Trim was/is not a primary flight control. Not everyone has lots of money to spend on fancy HOTAS enabling quick and simple trim adjustments.
I wouldn't mind seeing though, aircraft which didn't have cockpit adjustable trim to have it removed, though I suppose thats not much different to removing CT so a bad idea..
SKurj
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Main Entry: 2respect
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1560
1 a : to consider worthy of high regard : ESTEEM b : to refrain from interfering with
2 : to have reference to : CONCERN
synonym see REGARD
- re·spect·er noun
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Welp, Rude has let my Boozonics off the hook.
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lol - alright then, it's totally unrealistic, back to my 1/48th models and ack ack sounds then. :)
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I must be crazy to start something with Creamo..lol. However,Creamo, don't you think it's impolite to refer to someone who you're talking about as "he". Don't you have the guts to call them by their name?
Leslie
SC-Bama
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Supongo has also shot me down, at least twice, in his 109 <S!>. I remember one fight, just me in my Spit and him in a 109 variant, that went on for about 10 minutes it seemed. I was low alt, on the deck practically, and he would make long, extended, straight line attacks with an extension out to d3+ and a regain of significant alt. For my part, all I had to do was time a single turn at a comfortable corner speed to sidestep his attacks, which were about a minute or so apart. I could evade fairly easily, but in no way could I engage effectively. Eventually I ran out of gas and the fight ended rather quickly.
Now, an observation related to this and other, similar posts.
- Pilot fatigue. Well, in RL the 109 pilot would likely tire before me with his manuvers at high speed. The spit was far ligher on the controls at 250 mph compared to a BnZ 109 at 400 mph, and the very long extension give both pilots plenty of time to rest from a single, but well-timed turn and the eventual 109 pull out. In this example pilot fatigue probably wouldn't be an issue for either pilot, but I believe pilot fatigue would shift play balance in the MA by making the 109 less effective than it is now. I really start to sweat when a 109 pilot keeps his or her energy high, but adds a few unexpected angles at d1 or less, does a shorter and angled extension and keeps the presure up. Of course, if the 109 pilot doesn't play it right he or she could wind up playing into my hands, but a G10 has so much extra power over a Spit flying at low E...
-- FM and GM? Numerous posts with real background info suggest that these are pretty close to accurate. The damage model seems to need some review, but heavy control 109s and light control Spitfires, seem to be accurate (test data and both historic and recent pilot feed back tend to say the same things). I'm sure the good folks at HTC would like to see any new data you have developed to support your claims, and I'm sure they would make changes if it is reliable.
And Hispanio vs 151 seems to be accurate too. I must really suck with both, since I need d400 or less to have any chance of hitting with serious damage with either package. I only inflict "irritations" at longer range and then mainly when a pilot who is flying a long, non-manuvering wings level extension. I have found from personal experience that the more a pilot flies like this the more likely he is to be hit and on occasion shot down at d700 etc. It only takes a little rudder or roll in the extension to make most rounds miss it seems.
-- Overheating and autotrim -- whatever.
After the last two tours I feel the Lufwaffe's pain, I really do :) I have been trying to be an ace in each plane before moving on to the next -- which has been very painful at times. It's hard to "dogfigt" in the Luftwaffe aircraft and it takes real discipline to fly them at high e constantly.
The G6 and A8 spring to mind as being particularly painful, and sadly the p-38 as well (two one-ping engine hits in three flights). And yes, the LW guns do suck until they hit -- but then the A5 and A8 are true killers when that happens. Since I can't hit much beyond d400 It hasn't been that big a deal.
In the end, a D9, 51, LA-7, G10, low-alt Yak or well flown 47 can rule the battlefield against a Spit or N1K1 by being able to dictate the fight or accelerate that extra d200 into or out of gun range. I need to change my flying style a bit more.
For what little it's worth, Charon
And again <S!> to Supongo, he was a gentleman in the fight and I'm sure that is the norm.
[ 10-04-2001: Message edited by: Charon ]
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Supongo
I get the point you do not like AH..
In English please, you are dealing with a handsomehunk American here, please tell us what flight sim, on-line or boxed, you feel is superior to AH ... that'll tell me alot about your opinion. Easy to blow holes in about anything these days. Please inform us of your most excellent picks ...
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well i think thx to Lw whiners and other whines AH will improve, pepz whine when not get what they lokin for, they use sometime word ,,Sugestion,, or ,,can we have ?,,
but only think like whine realy begin move the thinks to change :D is it a sign ofevolution, :D <many example in past time >
only 1 think dont change nothing in AH::::::::::: whiners about whine !! , why they whine ? :p
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Gracias a ti tambien RAM por todo.
Un saludo
Supongo
P.D: va otro post, coje el diccionario :D
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New Spanish Post -> (http://www.theunholytrinity.org/cracks_smileys/contrib/ruinkai/spidereekA.gif) <- Pepe
:D
Cheers,
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Maybe it's time for a "Full Realism" arena now that we have the numbers.I feel that stalls and spins are somewhat missing in the FM and one is more likely to get stick stirring messages than a departure in flight frim yanking the stick.A big "Yes" to engine overheat as well.No point in comparing the FM to other online sims or I'll just get flamed like Supongo.<S!>
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Hola a todos:
A pesar de ser un amante del BF109 (casi fanatico, bueno, sin casi)intento ser imparcial, no solo pido mejoras o modificaciones para bien o para mal en los avions no LW, sino que tambien para los que son de la LW. Ahora sale el Me 262, no duden ustedes de que si su maniobrabilidad, o aceleracion me parecen demasiado buenas me quejare, pero sin son malas tambien lo dire.
Lean pots mios anteriores y podran comprobar como intento ser imparcial, como muestra valga mi reiterada queja por la excelente vista que tiene a las 6 el 109, mucho mejor de lo que debiera.
Se perfectamente como combatir en un 109 contra cualquier otro avion y como derribarle, lo cual no impide que no use tecnicas adecuadas y me meta en un combate de giros contra un Zeke, o N1K o spitfire, es mas divertido, pero a la vez tambien se aprecian caracteristicas de vuelo y comportamiento que no se ajustan a la realidad.
Les pongo un ejemplo:
tengo un video de entrevistas a Ghunter Rall, otro AS de la LW (no recuerdo el nombre) y un piloto Britanico de pruebas que volo en 109G, P51D, y Spitfire a conciencia, y dicen:
El control lateral del 109 a altas velocidades era dificil (pero no imposible) habia que usar las 2 manos, sin embargo el control de sus elevadores a cualquier velocidad era mucho mas efectivo que la del P51 y Spitfire, ni una cosa ni otra sucede en AH. Siempre he intentado tener esa muestra de imparcialidad, parece que ustedes no lo ven asi, y lo siento de veras.
Por otra parte, no he dicho en ningun momento que haya un juego on-line mejor que AH, sino que empece con gran ilusion a volar AH y veo que mucha gente se siente comoda con el actual FM de AH, son inmovilistas, no admiten cambios que acerquen mas AH a la realidad, no admiten criticas (que en todo caso deben considerarse constructivas).
AH me sigue gustando, pero menos que en sus primeras versiones, no entiendo como algunos piden mas modelos de aviones cuando aun no estan perfeccionados los actuales (a mi modo de ver), es increible ver como la gente pide aviones que apenas combatieron o apenas se construyeron ( Re 2005 solo 37 unidades construidas) y se olvidan de los P40, Spitfire I/II, D520, Yak1, etc etc.
¿Se prefiere cantidad a calidad? yo no.
Es tan dificil de entender mi psotura?
Se que hay mucho que opinan como yo, pero no parecen dispuestos a expresar sus opiniones por escrito, ¿el motivo? No lo se.
Un saludo
Supongo
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The problem with "whiners" is that we who do not "whine" must be careful to not be pulled down to that level, when we read a post that we feel was done with a less than cordial attitude. As to this thread, I am certain that the following factors played an important part in the communication process.
1. language barrier
2. posts made after an aggressive tour in the MA
3. post made after a long programing / debuging session
4. the new threat of terrorism (yes i believe that)
Lets "Pay it forward" by turning opportunities for complaints and attacks into a pleasant meeting of the minds.
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Translation of Supongo's last post:
Heya.
Even when I am a lover of the Bf109 (almost a fanatic...ok, without the 'almost), I try to be inpartial. I dont just ask for modifications, improvements or fixes for the non-LW planes, but I also do it for the LW ones. Now the Me262 is out; no doubt that if its acceleration, or maneouverability seems too good for me I'll say it, but if they are too bad, I'll also say it.
Read past threads of mine, and you'll see how I try to be impartial. As a good example, you can see how I always say that the 6 view in the 109 is too good, much more than what it should be.
I know perfectly how to fight abd kill in a 109 against any other plane; that doesnt excludes that sometimes I dont use good tactics and I get into a turnfight against a zeke, N1K2, or spitfire. Sometimes is more fun to do it than to BnZ, but also you get a closer look of their FMs, and they aren't close to reality.
(note from RAM--->he is a PATOLOGICAL case of antispitfire guy ;) I've seen him fighting against 3 guys,alone, for 20 minutes, using perfect E tactics, and then seeing a low spitfire...to dive on it instantly :D
Traduccion: es un caso PATOLOGICO de tio antispitfire. Le he llegado a ver combatiendo el solo contra 3 tios, por casi 20 minutos usando perfactas tacticas de E, y luego viendo un spit bajo...para picar sobre el instantaneamente :D)
For instance:
I have a video with an interview with some german aces, between them Gunther Rall, and a british test pilot who flew in 109G, P51D and spitfire, and they say:
-Lateral control in the 109 at high speeeds was difficult (but by no means impossible),you had to use both hands to roll it, yet the control of its elevators at any speed was much more effective than in the P51 or Spitfire; and none of both things is reflected in AH.
I've always tried to keep a stance of imparciality. Seems you dont see it that way, and I am really sorry about it.
On the other hand I've never said there is a better on-line game than AH; I said that I started to fly AH with lots of ilusion and I see that many people are happy with the current FM model of AH, they are stuck, they dont like changes wich bring AH closer to reality, they dont allow critics (wich, anyway always try to be constructive).
I still like AH, but less that what I liked it at first. I can't understand why people ask for more planes when the FM of the ones we have still need tweaking (IMHO). I can't understand how people ask for planes wich almost saw no service, or were built in very low numbers (Re2005 ,just 37 units built), and they keep on forgetting about P40, Spitfire I/II, D520, yak1, etc etc...
Do you want quantity rather than quality?. I don't.
Is so difficult to understand where do I stand?. I know that there are many who share my concerns and opinions, but they dont give their opinion in public. The reason?...I dont know.
Regards:
Supongo.
[ 10-05-2001: Message edited by: R4M ]
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Translation (Pepetranslationmachine Mk. I):
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Oooops!
I guess that after a birthday meal (not mine) for 7, 1 Rioja Magnum bottle, 1 Penedes one, 2x Knockando, and a Romeo & Julieta cigar (I don't smoke), R4M's translation will be better than mine :D
Cheers,
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Pepetranslationmachine Mk. I over & out (for this thread) ;)
Supongo, dame un respiro quiyo :D
[ 10-05-2001: Message edited by: Pepe ]
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SUPERGRACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AS, PEPE, RAM teneis pagadas unas cervezas (sin calamres, ojo) por esto :)
Pepetranslationmachine Mk. I over & out
LOL :D :D :D :D
Saludos
Supongo
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Solo unas cervecillas?...joooooo y yo q queria una noche de lujuria gratis :D
P.S.: LOL Pepe :D
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Me gusta lo de la cerveza sin calambres :D
(sorry english speakers, not translatable)
Saludos,
Pepe
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Pepe quiere decir que no puede beber mucho alcoholico sin ganar los calambres. LOL...tiene razon.
SC-Bama :D
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I'm confused and frightened :mad:
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Que mas quisiera Pepe que tener calambres, sobre todo en la mano derecha y bajo ciertas "circunstamcias" :D :D :D :D :D
Saludos
Supongo
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Garrido; language barrier or not, I think you called HiTech's baby ugly and I suspect he was offended (who wouldn't be). He'll get over it, probably already has.
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Is there an online translator for GIBBERISH?
cause I need to translate Minus's posts
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Originally posted by R4M:
I have a video with an interview with some german aces, between them Gunther Rall, and a british test pilot who flew in 109G, P51D and spitfire, and they say:
-Lateral control in the 109 at high speeeds was difficult (but by no means impossible),you had to use both hands to roll it, yet the control of its elevators at any speed was much more effective than in the P51 or Spitfire; and none of both things is reflected in AH.
reasonable post from you RAM, I am impressed.
Now in regards to what fighter pilots saiod about their particular machines. They all had different personalities and if they survived the war flying particular models..well they tend to be a little partial. My point is that because the points made by the fighter pilot that the 109 had better elevator authority over a spitfire or a Mustang doesnt make it true ( actually I have a hard time believing it over the nimble and hard-turning spitfire). Bob Johnson said in his book that once his Jug recieved the paddle blade prop, even the vauted spitfire couldnt outclimb him..well that is a little optimistic. He also said that nothing in the ETO, German or allied, could roll with his jug. Again, a little optimistic. BTW..none of these things are implemented in AH ;)
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<Bursts bubble>
It's Supongo's post. RAM is still a trainee when it comes to politeness :D
Cheers,
Pepe